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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Huntsman on October 03, 2013, 04:02:35 pm
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http://www.15min.lt/en/article/politics/lithuanian-parliament-speaker-in-favor-of-reintroducing-death-penalty-526-371921
After a horrible murder of a teenage girl in the outskirts of Panevėžys, northern Lithuania, reinstatement of death penalty was proposed by the ruling Order and Justice party.
Meanwhile Gedvilas of the Labor Party said he "may raise a hand" in support of the proposal.
"When such things happen and you see such criminals committing such horrific murders, I think it is necessary to give very serious thought to capital punishment," Gedvilas said in an interview to Žinių Radijas news radio.
"If I had to vote, I may raise a hand in support of such a law," the parliamentary speaker added.
Lithuania has ratified the protocol of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms on elimination of death penalty, while the Constitutional Court has ruled that the penalty violates the country's Constitution.
The European Union is also strongly against death penalty. Lithuania is holding EU Council presidency in the second half of this year.
It appears that a lot of citizens of the country are supporting the reintroducing of the death penalty, and so am I.
http://www.15min.lt/en/article/in-lithuania/violent-murder-reignites-debate-on-capital-punishment-in-lithuania-525-372615
The Lithuanian society was shocked by a violent rape and murder of a woman a week ago, the outrage growing into demands to reintroduce capital punishment, even though it has been a thing of the past in Lithuania as well as the European Union. The an-eye-for-an-eye chorus has been joined by politicians, including Parliament Speaker Vydas Gedvilas and former president Rolandas Paksas. Human rights activist and the more liberally-inclined part of the society call it incompetence and populism pure and simple, pointing out that such calls put Lithuania in one company with Belarus, the only state in Europe that still gives capital sentences.
DovilÄ— Å akalienÄ—, director of the Human Rights Monitoring Institute, says that reintroducing the death penalty is quite unrealistic, because it runs counter to the Lithuanian Constitution and international obligations.
DovilÄ— Å akalienÄ—
“Can we see these proposals as anything else but populism?†she tells 15min. “I would understand if such calls came from members of the public who feel insecure. It is the knee-jerk reaction – to kill whomever has done the same. That's how it used to work in more primitive communities. But when that comes from people in power, people who should protect us, it can't be much more than populism or incompetence.â€Â
She notes that capital punishment in Lithuania was struck down back in 1998, following a Constitutional Court ruling that execution by the state is inconsistent with the country's basic law. The court also pointed out that the right to life was one of the most fundamental human rights, protected under the law, therefore there could not be any laws that would sanction taking a person's life.
“Since 1993, Lithuania has also been a member of the Council of Europe, we have ratified the European Convention on Human Rights, including additional protocols that expressly prohibit capital punishment. Belarus is the only non-Council of Europe member on the continent, precisely because it still has capital punishment. Therefore not only do such calls contradict our own constitution and international commitments, but also puts Lithuania in one company with countries like Belarus.â€Â
"It must be done, how much longer can the state pay for supporting such scumbags behind the bars, I can buy the rope myself, if the state cannot afford it," reads a comment reflecting opinions of a siceable share of the society.
According to Šakalienė, there is an important moral aspect, too: if a state legalizes killing of its citizens, it can have detrimental effects on the national psyche in the long run. “Figuratively speaking, a state whose duty it is to take care of and protect its citizens cannot kill people,†she says.
“I'll buy the ropeâ€Â
The debate on the seemingly long-forgotten topic was reignited by a violent crime that happened near Panevėžys last Saturday. Two suspects raped a minor, then put her in the trunk of a car and set the vehicle on fire.
Soon afterwards, online activists started collecting signatures under a petition to reintroduce the death sentence. Within several days, almost 10 thousand people signed under it.
“We are all deeply shocked by what happened in Panevėžys District,†authors of the petition write. “The outrage of the Lithuanian people at the performance of our law enforcement is immense, we are not asking to send a police officer to look after each one of us, we just want to be confident about the future of our children and that people who perpetrate such ghastly crimes get what they deserve.â€Â
In the comments section underneath the petition, some 700 people left feedback, most of it supportive of the proposal. “It must be done, how much longer can the state pay for supporting such scumbags behind the bars, I can buy the rope myself, if the state cannot afford it, I'm sure there will be volunteers to build the scaffold,†reads one of the comments.
“Outrageousâ€Â
Lithuanian political leaders have also joined the discussion. Parliament Speaker Vydas Gedvilas has publicly stated that the idea of reintroducing capital punishment merits consideration. “When such things happen and you see criminals perpetrating monstrous murders, I think we must give some serious thought to the death sentence,†he told Žinių Radijas radio station and added that should it come to parliament voting on the matter, he might support it.
Such move would violate the Lithuanian Constitution and various international treaties. Lithuania has signed the European Convention on Human Rights, including Protocol 6 on restriction of death penalty. The Lithuanian Constitutional Court ruled back in 1998 that such a penalty is in violation of the country's constitution. Moreover, the European Union's position is unambiguous on the matter.
Vydas Gedvilas
Despite all the reasons against the death penalty, Gedvilas insists that murderers should be told what awaits them: “These things are very important, we are an EU member state and must implement EU directives, but when crimes like this are committed, perpetrators must be held accountable. We must set an example for others.â€Â
A bill on reintroducing capital punishment was proposed by MP Petras Gražulis, member of the Order and Justice Party. He has registered an amendment to the Criminal Code, proposing death sentence for murders that involve torturing.
According to Gražulis, capital punishment is needed in order to tackle rampant crime and “impertinence†of criminals. To back the bill, he quotes a survey by Spinter Tyrimai which indicates that about half people in Lithuania would support capital punishment for exceptionally violent crimes and rape of minors. Thirty-seven percent of the respondents said they were against having the death penalty.
"If I had to select the most cynical and base attempt to manipulate a human tragedy and voters' emotions this year, it would doubtlessly be the call to reintroduce the death penalty," judge Audrius Cininas comments
According to the survey, death sentence supporters are more likely to be older, less educated, lower-income people from the provinces. Younger respondents were more likely to oppose capital punishment, according to results published several months ago by online news site delfi.lt.
Another politician, leader of the Order and Justice Party, MEP Rolandas Paksas, decided to turn to the president with a proposal to reintroduce capital punishment right after reports about the Panevėžys murder came in.
MP Remigijus Žemaitaitis, a member of the same party and chair of the Parliamentary Economics Committee, presented his arguments for the death penalty on his blog several years ago. According to him, since the punishment has existed since time immemorial, “one wonders why could we not have it today?†He also maintains that life imprisonment is too lenient a punishment, that the law should follow the principle “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth†– this way “criminals would know about the punishment that awaits them before embarking on wilful and premeditated crimes.†Žemaitaitis proposes death sentences to people convicted for wilful acts of murder.
TeisÄ—jas Audrius Cininas
Audrius Cininas, a judge from Vilnius known for his outspoken positions on various issues, reacted to the discussion among MPs with a capitalized “WAKE UP PEOPLE!†In a Facebook post, he recalls a humorous proposal he has made recently to include into the Seimas Statute a rule that forbids MPs to vote for ridiculous laws. “Apparently, I was right-on. If I had to select the most cynical and base attempt to manipulate a human tragedy and voters' emotions this year, it would doubtlessly be the call to reintroduce the death penalty. Coming from the highest state officials. Outrageous!â€Â
Death penalty calls show social malady
Lithuania's medical workers agree with Cininas. Juozas Pundzius, chairman of the National Health Council, names widespread support for capital punishment as one of the symptoms of bad psychic condition of the Lithuanian society.
“Support for the death penalty by 80 percent of people in Lithuania reflects general insecurity that people feel in our society and environment, so much so that they demand measures that are unacceptable in the Christian world and the EU. It is one of the symptoms attesting to the condition of our psychic health,†he says.
The National Health Council held a meeting in the Seimas (parliament) last Tuesday, where they noted that calls for capital punishment meant that people felt vulnerable. The sense of insecurity only increased after reports of the murdered girl.
“Many politicians have woken up with campaigns for the death penalty,†said psychologist Dainius Pūras. “Such moves by members of the public and politicians are harmful to the society's psychic health. They testify to helplessness.
“Someone should explain that perpetuating the circle of violence will not do any good. In the wake of Anders Behring Breivik's shooting in Norway, most people there did not campaign for tougher repressions, because they realized that social prosperity rested on democracy and not lynch trials or repressions.â€Â
Last execution in 1995
In Lithuania, capital punishment was suspended in 1996 with a decree signed by President Algirdas Brazauskas. In December 1998, parliament abolished the death penalty altogether, leaving life imprisonment as the harshest punishment.
After Lithuania seceded from the Soviet Union, death sentences were passed to seven convicts within three years. The last person to be executed by shooting was Boris Dekanidze, leader of a notorious criminal gang, the Vilnius Brigade, who had ordered the killing of journalist Vitas Lingys. Dekanidze was executed on 12 July 1995; other convicts sentenced to death escaped execution and were given life sentences instead.
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No offense to anyone but re-introducing the death penalty is simply wrong and against my religion , and maybe of some others .
We Christians say that the God is the onlyone who can choose to take someone's life , We are humans and not gods , therefore we do not have the right to decide if someone is going to live or not .
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No offense to anyone but re-introducing the death penalty is simply wrong and against my religion , and maybe of some others .
We Christians say that the God is the onlyone who can choose to take someone's life , We are humans and not gods , therefore we do not have the right to decide if someone is going to live or not .
True but only with death penalty people will understand the consequences of their crime and they will think about it before they attempt a murder.
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I personally support death penalty for crimes such as rape, child abuse and multiple murders.
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I personally support death penalty for crimes such as rape, child abuse and multiple murders.
I agree with you on this!
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No offense to anyone but re-introducing the death penalty is simply wrong and against my religion , and maybe of some others .
We Christians say that the God is the onlyone who can choose to take someone's life , We are humans and not gods , therefore we do not have the right to decide if someone is going to live or not .
Religion has no bussiness in politics. It's the religions interferring in politics that caused dozens of wars and slaughters. Stop being naive.
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I'm personally against the death penalty, but what's even worse is changing a country's justice system for one specific case.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aodBfdFTA
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Death penalty is a must.
However, it's funny to involve religion into this, as you know in past mass crimes were usually committed in the name of religion.
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Religion is dying, and simply doesn't belong in politics as a whole, one of the biggest downsides to this world are countries with a single ruler who can make her/his mind without anyone else having say, and religion, they are the biggest downsides, however Christmas is good, so we'll be keeping that. :)
As for the death penalty, I'd love the UK to have it for terrorists, murderers and rapists.
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Guys you are starting to scare me . First of all I am nto against death penalty only because of my religion . And yes you got a point saying that in the past many deaths were occured by them , though I think that infact it wasn't because of the religion , but because of people who thought that it was (talking about Christians always).
To get to the point . There are countries with death Penalty and I believe that the USA is one of them . What is the actual difference? Because I don't see any . And I do believe that spending 50 years in prison is worse than death at some points . The only difference is that with 50 years in prison , you can try to escape from it .
The thing is that while we say that nobody has the right to kill someone , you are actually thinking about giving that right to your own country . So you make killing a lawfull thing .
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Guys you are starting to scare me . First of all I am nto against death penalty only because of my religion . And yes you got a point saying that in the past many deaths were occured by them , though I think that infact it wasn't because of the religion , but because of people who thought that it was (talking about Christians always).
To get to the point . There are countries with death Penalty and I believe that the USA is one of them . What is the actual difference? Because I don't see any . And I do believe that spending 50 years in prison is worse than death at some points . The only difference is that with 50 years in prison , you can try to escape from it .
The thing is that while we say that nobody has the right to kill someone , you are actually thinking about giving that right to your own country . So you make killing a lawfull thing .
YOu don't make a lot of sense in the first place. Christianity killed in the past, Islam kills now, soon it will be buddhism or something. Religion should have no place in politics, regardless of what it is.
When there are undeniable proof of person committing such a horrible murder like the one in Lithuania, and the current mafia terror against the citizens of Biržai (Birsis) in Lithuania, who shot a 15 year old with no reason whatsoever, even the biggest moron would get to understand that killers should be killed.
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Thats genius, go ahead and murder murders and see the effect.
Unites states have death penality - Does it work? no.
Norway has a maximum of 21 years - We have the lowest rate of murders in the world.
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Thats genius, go ahead and murder murders and see the effect.
Unites states have death penality - Does it work? no.
Norway has a maximum of 21 years - We have the lowest rate of murders in the world.
Norway is way more civilized than the baltics in particular, because you never were touched by communism...
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And I think the same as Anthrax and also.
I am the Government . And kill a murderer right? Who will kill me now? I am a murderer too .
And if you say that it will be only for people with many murders ... name a number . 20? 30? Let's say 50?
After 50 insidents your government should kill himself. There is totally nothing good in the Death Penalty .
I really don't get why it still excists in the world and why so many people of this community want it to be added to one more country.
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Norway is way more civilized than the baltics in particular, because you never were touched by communism...
Norway can be more civilized .
But what about Greece? We got murderers here too . And talking about communism ... We got out of a 400 years slavery just 200 years ago . Should we also add death-penalty?
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Murderers, rapists and terrorists have a choice. They choose to commit their crimes, therefor they are not safe to be out on the street any longer. Solution, putting them in jail for the rest of their lives so they can give orders from there? No thank you.
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Murderers, rapists and terrorists have a choice. They choose to commit their crimes, therefor they are not safe to be out on the street any longer. Solution, putting them in jail for the rest of their lives so they can give orders from there? No thank you.
Exactly. Murderers CHOOSE to do what they do.
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And by killing them you think you become a better person? Or do you think that you will clean the place from them?
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Murderers, rapists and terrorists have a choice. They choose to commit their crimes, therefor they are not safe to be out on the street any longer. Solution, putting them in jail for the rest of their lives so they can give orders from there? No thank you.
If you have these problems you need to re-look at your justice system not just solve everything by the simplest means - killing people off.
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Then I suppose Lithuania might aswell withdraw their EU-membership and retreat their rather big approach towards a western lifestyle.
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Guys you are starting to scare me . First of all I am nto against death penalty only because of my religion . And yes you got a point saying that in the past many deaths were occured by them , though I think that infact it wasn't because of the religion , but because of people who thought that it was (talking about Christians always).
To get to the point . There are countries with death Penalty and I believe that the USA is one of them . What is the actual difference? Because I don't see any . And I do believe that spending 50 years in prison is worse than death at some points . The only difference is that with 50 years in prison , you can try to escape from it .
The thing is that while we say that nobody has the right to kill someone , you are actually thinking about giving that right to your own country . So you make killing a lawfull thing .
Let me explain you some things.
First of all I don't care about your religion and religions has nothing to do with this.
Second, beholding a prisoner in prison costs more than 30 000 American Dollars per YEAR.
And third of all, why don't you ask your god why there are nature disasters happening all over the world, that in fact kill more innocent people than criminals?
and Fourth, I'm sorry to say this to you, obviously you don't know - Religion killed more people than any other war in the history of earth.
In other words, I support Death Penalty with torture.
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Let me explain you some things.
First of all I don't care about your religion and religions has nothing to do with this.
Second, beholding a prisoner in prison costs more than 30 000 American Dollars per YEAR.
And third of all, why don't you ask your god why there are nature disasters happening all over the world, that in fact kill more innocent people than criminals?
and Fourth, I'm sorry to say this to you, obviously you don't know - Religion killed more people than any other war in the history of earth.
In other words, I support Death Penalty with torture.
I am an athiest but I have to say, religion is just an opinion, you cannot stop people from having an opinion and expressing it.
Putting someone on death row is more expensive than keeping them in prison, so it being "cheaper" isn't a reason to use the death penalty (feel free to search this up to verify it). It also isn't a detterent (it doesn't scare people into obeying the law) and it certainly doesn't 'solve' an issue.
More importantly though, if you support torturing people, I'm presuming this is for 'the greater good'? Allowing people to be tortured for justice, punishment and to extract information from them because they are the bad people and not you? You saying this should happen to murderers, rapists and people who commit unforgivable and inhumane crimes right? Let me ask you, when you decide to punish people with equally inhumane and disgusting acts, what separates you from them? Don't tell me its the fact that you are doing it for 'good' because that means nothing.
Torturing someone is the most barbaric and disgusting thing you can do to another person, its sick and serves no place in society at all. The death penalty should really be reserved for the most serious of murders and crimes against humanity and rarely used.
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I am an athiest but I have to say, religion is just an opinion, you cannot stop people from having an opinion and expressing it.
Putting someone on death row is more expensive than keeping them in prison, so it being "cheaper" isn't a reason to use the death penalty (feel free to search this up to verify it). It also isn't a detterent (it doesn't scare people into obeying the law) and it certainly doesn't 'solve' an issue.
More importantly though, if you support torturing people, I'm presuming this is for 'the greater good'? Allowing people to be tortured for justice, punishment and to extract information from them because they are the bad people and not you? You saying this should happen to murderers, rapists and people who commit unforgivable and inhumane crimes right? Let me ask you, when you decide to punish people with equally inhumane and disgusting acts, what separates you from them? Don't tell me its the fact that you are doing it for 'good' because that means nothing.
Torturing someone is the most barbaric and disgusting thing you can do to another person, its sick and serves no place in society at all. The death penalty should really be reserved for the most serious of murders and crimes against humanity and rarely used.
More expensive than putting them in prison? Are you implying killing someone costs an average of £30,000 per year?
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More expensive than putting them in prison? Are you implying killing someone costs an average of £30,000 per year?
Yes... putting someone on death row cost significantly more than keeping them in prison for life. Did you not just read what I wrote?
feel free to search this up to verify it
Here you go, 2 minutes on google:
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42
http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001000
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost
http://www.english-online.at/society/capital-punishment/death-penalty-inmates.htm
http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/upfront/features/index.asp?article=f042009_Death
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I am an athiest but I have to say, religion is just an opinion, you cannot stop people from having an opinion and expressing it.
Putting someone on death row is more expensive than keeping them in prison, so it being "cheaper" isn't a reason to use the death penalty (feel free to search this up to verify it). It also isn't a detterent (it doesn't scare people into obeying the law) and it certainly doesn't 'solve' an issue.
More importantly though, if you support torturing people, I'm presuming this is for 'the greater good'? Allowing people to be tortured for justice, punishment and to extract information from them because they are the bad people and not you? You saying this should happen to murderers, rapists and people who commit unforgivable and inhumane crimes right? Let me ask you, when you decide to punish people with equally inhumane and disgusting acts, what separates you from them? Don't tell me its the fact that you are doing it for 'good' because that means nothing.
Torturing someone is the most barbaric and disgusting thing you can do to another person, its sick and serves no place in society at all. The death penalty should really be reserved for the most serious of murders and crimes against humanity and rarely used.
That is just my opinion. Back to the topic where two men kidnapped, raped and burned a 18 years old student alive, in the car, they deserve most terrifying torture that could be.
Once against that is just my opinion.
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That is just my opinion. Back to the topic where two men kidnapped, raped and burned a 18 years old student alive, in the car, they deserve most terrifying torture that could be. I guess going back to World War 2 executions would increase our budget?
Once against that is just my opinion.
You are clearly missing my point, why do you think these people should be tortured? To get rid of evil? For justice? it does not make sense, if you lower yourself to that level where you think its okay to commit acts that are equally as bad as those they did, then there is nothing that separates you from them. Life imprisonment with no chance of parole, until they die a natural death is a suitable enough punishment - that's just a logical opinion.
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Norway is way more civilized than the baltics in particular, because you never were touched by communism...
Don't bring other baltic countries into this, thank you.
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Yes... putting someone on death row cost significantly more than keeping them in prison for life. Did you not just read what I wrote?
I doubt it.
Norway is way more civilized than the baltics in particular, because you never were touched by communism...
Why do you always use Baltic? Why not just stick to your own country? I'm pretty sure other baltic countries don't give a shit about what goes on in Lithuania, just like Celtic countries such as Ireland, Scotland and Wales don't, you just share some history, nothing else.
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I doubt it.
Search it up yourself then, and if you don't want to do that, that's just you being ignorant and in denial, its a fact, so you can doubt it as much as you want but that doesn't change anything. Putting someone on death row is more expensive than life imprisonment. It is not a deterrent and it also make the victims any less victimised than they were before, executing the men that committed this crime isn't going to bring back the murdered teenager so what exactly would killing them do that life imprisonment wouldn't? Apart from waste money and time, that could be spent on much more important things of course.
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I personally support death penalty for crimes such as rape, child abuse and multiple murders.
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Search it up yourself then, and if you don't want to do that, that's just you being ignorant and in denial, its a fact, so you can doubt it as much as you want but that doesn't change anything. Putting someone on death row is more expensive than life imprisonment. It is not a deterrent and it also make the victims any less victimised than they were before, executing the men that committed this crime isn't going to bring back the murdered teenager so what exactly would killing them do that life imprisonment wouldn't? Apart from waste money and time, that could be spent on much more important things of course.
Even if you're right, why should the cost of something prevent someone who deserves death, getting death?
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And to add further to this discussion.
How can the judges be hundred precente sure that the suspect murdered a person?
You can never be, there have been numerous cases where people on death row was set free.
No one knows how many innocent citizens has been sentenced to death.
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And to add further to this discussion.
How can the judges be hundred precente sure that the suspect murdered a person?
You can never be, there have been numerous cases where people on death row was set free.
No one knows how many innocent citizens has been sentenced to death.
Thats what some guy on the BBC argued, and yeh it is a valid case, which leaves me semi-supportive of the death penalty. :rolleyes:
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Its better to jail the suspect for 100 years rather than using death penalty.
I dont support this death charge because the person who will die will never know how hard life is as he's present one day,(s)he comes and bam! they punish him/her to death which ends here itself.
Now the same person,(s)he's still alive but everyday (s)he gets beats up/torture Exp. As a man he need to work in mines which endangers him more.
And what if the suspect wasnt at fault and he already died.Who wil
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I personally support death penalty for crimes such as rape, child abuse and multiple murders.
Will be fun watching you die after some crazy woman accuses you of raping her.
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Will be fun watching you die after some crazy woman accuses you of raping her.
They deserve it tbh.
In India for example, these kinds of things are very notorious and recently the country introduced death penalty for severe cases like this. Rapes went down a huge amount the very first day.
I'm pretty sure Lithuania is also making this choice being influenced by the recent Indian death penalties in the news
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In many places around the world there is a law between prisoners, so when a pedophile or a rapist is brought to the pen, they make sure he is treated accordingly every single day.
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Will be fun watching you die after some crazy woman accuses you of raping her.
The b*tch has to prove it to the court that "I" did it. For example they need to do laboratory tests in the woman's vagina if they spot any of the accused persons genes.
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I am the Government . And kill a murderer right? Who will kill me now? I am a murderer too .
That's like saying jailing criminals/murderers is like kidnapping.
No, neither executing people for major crimes is murder nor jailing criminals is kidnapping.
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I doubt it.
Why do you always use Baltic? Why not just stick to your own country? I'm pretty sure other baltic countries don't give a shit about what goes on in Lithuania, just like Celtic countries such as Ireland, Scotland and Wales don't, you just share some history, nothing else.
You're so wrong. As in Baltics, I reffer to Lithuania and Latvia. We take each other as brothers/sisters and we have very close ties and friendship to each other. Lithuanians and Latvians are pretty much same thing, only a little difference in the language. We share some history? Please, I wouldn't even dare to speak something about the history of eastern europe if I lived in UK. Lithuania and Latvia actually has no historical ties, because Lithuania was Grand Duchy of Lithuania at that time, consisting of Samogitia, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, while Latvia was conquered by Germans and was called the Livonian Order, therefore we were enemies. However, we pretty much have the same blood and there are even proposals to merge Lithuania and Latvia into one nation. Stop speaking about things you clearly have no idea of.
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You're so wrong. As in Baltics, I reffer to Lithuania and Latvia. We take each other as brothers/sisters and we have very close ties and friendship to each other. Lithuanians and Latvians are pretty much same thing, only a little difference in the language. We share some history? Please, I wouldn't even dare to speak something about the history of eastern europe if I lived in UK. Lithuania and Latvia actually has no historical ties, because Lithuania was Grand Duchy of Lithuania at that time, consisting of Samogitia, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, while Latvia was conquered by Germans and was called the Livonian Order, therefore we were enemies. However, we pretty much have the same blood and there are even proposals to merge Lithuania and Latvia into one nation. Stop speaking about things you clearly have no idea of.
Are you sure you're educated enough to know the entire history of Lithuania and Latvia? If I were you, I would not be so confident with all these statements. Not to mention you haven't graduated from high school yet to know enough about the history of baltic countries. In 10th grade you should be taught about the Lithuanian-Latvian history in the twentieth century, you'll realize that the three countries actually share very similar history, especially in the early twenties. Stating that Lithuania and Latvia have no historical ties it ridiculous.
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Will be fun watching you die after some crazy woman accuses you of raping her.
There's a large difference between getting accused of something and actual evidence. Even though I support the death penalty for certain crimes, I believe there should be enough evidence to convict.
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There's a large difference between getting accused of something and actual evidence. Even though I support the death penalty for certain crimes, I believe there should be enough evidence to convict.
Rape can be very hard to prove, though. You can easily be in a long lasting relationship with frequent sex and accuse your partner of rape one of the times. The biological evidence is there, so there is nothing to be said.
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Rape takes a lot of time to prove you guilty.
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Search it up yourself then, and if you don't want to do that, that's just you being ignorant and in denial, its a fact, so you can doubt it as much as you want but that doesn't change anything. Putting someone on death row is more expensive than life imprisonment. It is not a deterrent and it also make the victims any less victimised than they were before, executing the men that committed this crime isn't going to bring back the murdered teenager so what exactly would killing them do that life imprisonment wouldn't? Apart from waste money and time, that could be spent on much more important things of course.
Then, get rid of death row. Its pretty easy actually. The trial ends, than execute them. No death row, just an empty room and gas, a vaccine, a bullet, idk you choose.
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Then, get rid of death row. Its pretty easy actually. The trial ends, than execute them. No death row, just an empty room and gas, a vaccine, a bullet, idk you choose.
That's how it works in China. Someone can be executed by firing squad as little as 7 days after their trial, which means there's not much time for appeals and there have been times where innocent people have been executed.
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You can end up on a death roll in China in a blink of an eye..
And your family gets a bill for the bullet that was spent for you. It's a thin line there between a murderer and a drug diler when it comes to sentence...
So yea, I support the idea.
And a Weapon of choice would be:
(http://0.tqn.com/d/civilliberty/1/0/I/1/-/-/electricchair500.jpg)
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And a Weapon of choice would be:
(http://0.tqn.com/d/civilliberty/1/0/I/1/-/-/electricchair500.jpg)
Remember to wet the sponge.
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Are you sure you're educated enough to know the entire history of Lithuania and Latvia? If I were you, I would not be so confident with all these statements. Not to mention you haven't graduated from high school yet to know enough about the history of baltic countries. In 10th grade you should be taught about the Lithuanian-Latvian history in the twentieth century, you'll realize that the three countries actually share very similar history, especially in the early twenties. Stating that Lithuania and Latvia have no historical ties it ridiculous.
Funny, since my speciality is history of Lithuania and interwar period. Lithuania and Latvia has no historical ties that would bring us close together, while Lithuania became a federation of nations, called Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which consisted of Lithuanians, Samogitians, White Ruthenians, Russians and various Muslim ethnicities, Latvia became a puppet state of the Crusader Germany. The whole Latvian culture, buildings, architecture is more influenced by Germans, even their language sounds more like Germanized Baltic Prussian and Lithuanian. Lithuania had wars with Latvia (Livonian Order), and not to mention that in early 20's, when Lithuania just regained it's independance, we had multiple armed conflicts with Latvia and failed to unite against Soviet occupants. The only thing that unites us is the common blood and ancestors, and that we're the only surviving ethnic Balts. Funny how you state about me not graduating from high school when you don't even know anything about it, oh the irony.
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Funny, since my speciality is history of Lithuania and interwar period. Lithuania and Latvia has no historical ties that would bring us close together, while Lithuania became a federation of nations, called Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which consisted of Lithuanians, Samogitians, White Ruthenians, Russians and various Muslim ethnicities, Latvia became a puppet state of the Crusader Germany. The whole Latvian culture, buildings, architecture is more influenced by Germans, even their language sounds more like Germanized Baltic Prussian and Lithuanian. Lithuania had wars with Latvia (Livonian Order), and not to mention that in early 20's, when Lithuania just regained it's independance, we had multiple armed conflicts with Latvia and failed to unite against Soviet occupants. The only thing that unites us is the common blood and ancestors, and that we're the only surviving ethnic Balts. Funny how you state about me not graduating from high school when you don't even know anything about it, oh the irony.
Why do you feel the need to create some special relationship between Latvia and Lithuania? Neither side gives a shit about each other.
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Death penalty please, these guys should be hung and left to rot.
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Why do you feel the need to create some special relationship between Latvia and Lithuania? Neither side gives a shit about each other.
Seriously, stay out if you're here to show how dumb you are... Who are you to say that? Lithuanians and Latvians genetically are related and they take each other as brothers and sisters, we eventually even do call each other that way, so stop speaking of stuff you don't even know of.
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Seriously, stay out if you're here to show how dumb you are... Who are you to say that? Lithuanians and Latvians genetically are related and they take each other as brothers and sisters, we eventually even do call each other that way, so stop speaking of stuff you don't even know of.
Yes, and every Scottish and Irish person is my bothers and sisters because we are all apparently Celtic, we love each other very much.
I find your views on Lithuania and Latvia's 'relationship' hilarious.
P.S: Don't tell people to stay out of topics.
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Yes, and every Scottish and Irish person is my bothers and sisters because we are all apparently Celtic, we love each other very much.
I find your views on Lithuania and Latvia's 'relationship' hilarious.
P.S: Don't tell people to stay out of topics.
I know what I'm speaking of. There was an international festival that I attended to. It happens every spring. It's between Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Russia. Last year it was in Russia. The first thing after leaving the bus, Latvians started looking for us, and once we arrived, the came into the bus and hugged each one saying "Braliukas!" (Latvian version of Lithuanian Broliukas, which translates to BROTHER!). Seriously, as a western person, i'd refrain speaking about Eastern Europe, because you're only making a complete moron out of yourself.
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Honestly the death penalty in my opinion should do good in every country - Why?
It will make the criminals more scared to go to jail. When they go to jail, they KNOW they get meals on a daily basis, they get free television, they probably have more freedom inside jail than they actually do outside.
So reintroducing the death penalty, in my opinion will do more good than bad.
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I'd rather die than spend whole my life in jail.
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I'd rather die than spend whole my life in jail.
Only to get proven innocent and to be taken out of jail in 2 days after your death.