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Title: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: GladyGlados on October 15, 2013, 12:43:28 am
Pro's:
1. Faster than Windows by a long shot (Uses less resources)
2. Next to 0 Viruses and malwares
3. Supports legacy hardware
4. Many different features and flavors to choose from
5. More customizable

Con's
1. Does not support windows apps out of the box
2. Less support for modern hardware (Talking about you Nvidia)
3. Can fuck up systems if you don't know how to use Sudo commands
4. People will call you a nerd
5. Often comes with ugly gui's (Yes Lubuntu im talking about you)


lets see what you think

Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: KeiraDrake on October 15, 2013, 01:03:23 am
Makes a Great Substitute when Wins7 uninstalls itself, Fallen victim to that numerous times.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: BarelyVisible on October 15, 2013, 09:01:22 am
Pros:
1. Most Linux Distro's are free.
2. Generally more stable than either Windows or Mac O/S (Apple fanbois plz dun hurt me.)

Cons:
1. Most commercial support packages are aimed at enterprise solutions, not home users.
2. Initial setup can be lengthy and tedious if you're not familiar with the specific Distro.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Marcel on October 15, 2013, 09:17:35 am
Con's
1. Does not support windows apps out of the box
No problem since you will just use windows if you need to run that software.

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2. Less support for modern hardware (Talking about you Nvidia)
Indeed, bad boi Nvidia, go fix ur driv0rz!!!

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3. Can f**k up systems if you don't know how to use Sudo commands
Actually knowing your superuser commands can fuck up a system far worse :rofl:

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4. People will call you a nerd
Already a nerd, and i get paid big time to be one!

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5. Often comes with ugly gui's (Yes Lubuntu im talking about you)
Wait, linux, GUI? What's wrong with the command line? X window system, what's that?
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: eymas on October 15, 2013, 09:24:10 am
Pros:
1. Live CD environment allows for great troubleshooting solutions,
2. Customizable to the core, just about anything can be configured as you want it to be.
3. As time passes; reaches the same list of applications you can use on windows(or games @ steam)
4. Free, unless you use RHEL(recommendation, Fedora is the free version of it)
5. Pretty serious(Killing an app seriously KILLS it, removing a file with the "sudo" flag literally does)

Cons, of course:
1. Handle with care, especially if you play around with su(do)
2. Drivers, they're pretty scarce.
3. Not all of your games/applications have a linux version(Don't bother with WINE unless you're persistent enough)
4. While very customizable it leads to wasted time/potential fixing stuff when it breaks,
5. Barely anyone understands WTF you're doing.

Despite that I still have an 80GB IDE drive running Fedora 19. and a Raspberry Pi for fooling around(Currently trying to set it up as PPTP VPN for bypassing the proxy @ my office)
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Teddy on October 15, 2013, 09:29:18 am
Surprised nobody mentioned security as a pro, over Windows ;)
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: eymas on October 15, 2013, 09:33:51 am
Surprised nobody mentioned security as a pro, over Windows ;)
good point, but i could only list five :3
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Dean. on October 15, 2013, 09:37:54 am
I tried installing ubuntu on both of my virtual machines but I fucked it up again by messing up some settings in both VMware and virtual box  :D
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: BarelyVisible on October 15, 2013, 09:38:18 am
Surprised nobody mentioned security as a pro, over Windows ;)

Meh, uttering the words "Security" and "Windows" in the same sentence have become somewhat of a social taboo it seems.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: eymas on October 15, 2013, 09:45:04 am
I tried installing ubuntu on both of my virtual machines but I f**ked it up again by messing up some settings in both VMware and virtual box  :D
I had to give a demo once to a class when they had to install ubuntu.

ended the presentation with "sudo rm -rf /*" to show how serious the sudo command could be without realizing that I did press ENTER  :rolleyes:

good thing that it was in VMware.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Gandalf on October 15, 2013, 01:40:28 pm
Security: most botnets use badly configured linux servers.  :cop:
Resources: remove the GUI from windows and it uses less, besides that what are you going to use the resources you free up for ?
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Marcel on October 15, 2013, 01:57:11 pm
Surprised nobody mentioned security as a pro, over Windows ;)
A system is as secure as the user or admin operating it :lol:
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Teddy on October 15, 2013, 03:28:24 pm
Resources: remove the GUI from windows and it uses less, besides that what are you going to use the resources you free up for ?

Have less laggy servers and services  :gand:

or really anything, sure its easy to find something =))
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: eymas on October 15, 2013, 03:30:15 pm
Have less laggy servers and services  :gand:

or really anything, sure its easy to find something =))
does work on my raspberry pi for instance.
too bad my wifi dongle doesn't have a CLI frontend. yet
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: GladyGlados on October 15, 2013, 05:49:07 pm
Well just for fun im gonna give 3 more reasons
1. Perfect for running a server/website from home
2. TroubleShooting for windows (Removing dem malwares)
3. Smoother on most systems


cons
1. People be like DAFUQ YOU DOIN NIGGA? HACKIN DEM GOVERNMENT FILES
2. Fucks up shit if not installed
3. No Games (But Valve will save the day wid the SteamBox)
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Huntsman on October 15, 2013, 06:31:29 pm
Why not to use Linux:

*Video games (Only very few developers have made their games availalbe for linux)
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Teddy on October 15, 2013, 07:03:01 pm
Much like the Mac... which is Linux but... it isn't really designed for gaming. Its more of a programmers dream :), and server hosting. I mean, when most of window's services are powered by Linux, I think it shows which one is really the better of the two for it.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: EDGE on October 15, 2013, 07:04:02 pm
This means that Ubuntu will be Useless on my Notebook PC?
Specs are
-Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB cache, 4 cores)
-8Gb DDR3 Ram
-Nvidia GT 740m (2Gb DDR3)
-Multitouch Screen (This will not work in ubuntu??)
-4 Speakers and 2 Subwoofers 'Beats Audio' (they sound Incredible , but it sounds bad when turning the beats audio enhancement Off.

And last question, will it Dual Boot with windows 8?

Thank you! <3

Screams!! <3
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Armelin on October 15, 2013, 07:07:14 pm
I don't see any reason to use Linux unless you are a developer and have no alternative or you are trying to hack someone.
For virtual servers they are free which makes it cheaper.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Alfreddo. on October 15, 2013, 07:10:05 pm
I hate Linux :C
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Teddy on October 15, 2013, 07:12:42 pm
@EDGE

It depends on what you are trying to do, yes it'll run Ubuntu on it but you won't get much gaming feel out of it. You can do other things like school work, actual work, development stuff, facebook and other social media, and really any web browsing just fine.

If you are going do dual boot, ensure you install windows first then just use the window's installer for Ubuntu.

General Features:
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features

Reqs:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements

Win. Installer:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: EDGE on October 15, 2013, 07:14:26 pm
@EDGE

It depends on what you are trying to do, yes it'll run Ubuntu on it but you won't get much gaming feel out of it. You can do other things like school work, actual work, development stuff, facebook and other social media, and really any web browsing just fine.

If you are going do dual boot, ensure you install windows first then just use the window's installer for Ubuntu.

General Features:
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features

Reqs:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements

Win. Installer:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
Thank you  :)
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Patton on October 15, 2013, 08:08:48 pm
(Yes Lubuntu im talking about you)
Lubuntu uses LXDE as its desktop environment, which is intended for low-end and old computers; obviously, it doesn't have all the gradients, shadows, and transparency that you can have with something else. If you want something with a bit more makeup there's plenty of other distributions, like elementary (http://elementaryos.org):

(http://elementaryos.org/img/home/3-big.png)

This means that Ubuntu will be Useless on my Notebook PC?
Specs are
-Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB cache, 4 cores)
-8Gb DDR3 Ram
-Nvidia GT 740m (2Gb DDR3)
-Multitouch Screen (This will not work in ubuntu??)
-4 Speakers and 2 Subwoofers 'Beats Audio' (they sound Incredible , but it sounds bad when turning the beats audio enhancement Off.

And last question, will it Dual Boot with windows 8?

Thank you! <3

Screams!! <3
I have a similar configuration and am able to play GTA:SA (under Wine) and Dota 2 without a problem.

Much like the Mac...
Except that its hardware support covers more than three models of computers that the same company makes. Also, package management.

I don't see any reason to use Linux unless you are a developer and have no alternative or you are trying to hack someone.
Large part of Linux (and BSD) userspace is in the academia, and it isn’t even limited to the CS area. Reasons are obvious.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: EDGE on October 15, 2013, 09:33:35 pm

(http://elementaryos.org/img/home/3-big.png)
I have a similar configuration and am able to play GTA:SA (under Wine) and Dota 2 without a problem.

Awesome! :bananarock:
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: ElMartu on October 15, 2013, 09:50:08 pm
holy shit patton brother you're on dota 2???? pm me your username :D :D :D

surprised to see so many linux users, its really getting more and more widespread these days

I'm dual booting 7 and xubuntu
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Teddy on October 15, 2013, 10:03:36 pm
Except that its hardware support covers more than three models of computers that the same company makes. Also, package management.

That is Apple for you.  :gand:
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Teddy on October 18, 2013, 08:48:10 pm
If you want something with a bit more makeup there's plenty of other distributions, like elementary (http://elementaryos.org):

(http://elementaryos.org/img/home/3-big.png)

Thanks! I've been using Ubuntu for a while but never as a primary OS, however now that you've shown me this I love it. Been using it for 2 days, I might just switch to this as my primary OS.

The only issue I'm having now is I can't get Sublime Text 2 to work with Pawno compiler properly, even with Wine there is an issue with the output. Everything else like SA:MP runs pretty well, granted it is Debian/Ubuntu 12.04 based.

Anywho, thanks! =))
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Patton on October 19, 2013, 08:07:29 am
Thanks! I've been using Ubuntu for a while but never as a primary OS, however now that you've shown me this I love it. Been using it for 2 days, I might just switch to this as my primary OS.

The only issue I'm having now is I can't get Sublime Text 2 to work with Pawno compiler properly, even with Wine there is an issue with the output. Everything else like SA:MP runs pretty well, granted it is Debian/Ubuntu 12.04 based.

Anywho, thanks! =))
No problem. Elementary has only one problem which is that updates come really slow, especially for someone who comes from Ubuntu and is accustomed to major updates every 6 months. Other than that, I’ve had no issues with it.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Leon. on November 07, 2013, 11:44:36 pm
Using a linux-based OS (such as Ubuntu, the most popular) in a workplace setting can provide some benefits, probably more benefits than if one were used at home. For example, retard-proofing from malware.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: DellStorm on November 08, 2013, 09:48:32 pm
I'll give you ten reasons for both.

1) Someone can't afford a mac and has a bad experience with windows? Use Linux. Docky makes it very user friendly. and people who mess about with Sudo commands should know better...
2) Its free its simple and theres lots of choices.
3) Its the only platform I know of that can be upgraded to the latest releases with a pentium 3...
4) Its compatible with nearly everything you need to do in daily life - Music? use VLC or Clemintine Internet? Firefox
5) Its agile - Many people working on many different releases for Linux with many Distros - offers a lot more support
6) Its creative and adaptive - Need something changing on linux ? Change it yourself - or wait for the next distro to come out in 3 months..
7) Its User friendly - Just like all operating systems - its easy to understand - you turn it on - you log in - boom you're there.
8) If you like it, keep it - Some people like Linux because they can put their mother on it and it'll keep working no matter what. To me there is no fancy buttons to mess with such as right click - what does personalise do!
9) Practical - PDF / Printing / Scanning / Email - its all there its all in use and its all for free. The cheapest platform for the best value.
10) Personal preference - Low budget system for the best performance? Use Linux. Max budget? Get a mac pro. (up to $5000) Medium budget or gamer ? get a windows machine. ($500 up to $1500, unless you wanna go crazy before the new chipsets come out in say 1 day later).

The cons

1) Its ugly - you get what you pay for - apart from Ubuntu which is pretty classy - Checked Gentoo? Its ugly - no one wants to look at ugly especially when they are used to pretty pictures.
2) Its a mess about - Your computer probably had windows installed. Do you want to mess about for 5 hours changing  this - removing that - finding out your system won't run a 64bit version of linux - hassle / worth it? I dunno you have to look at all the angles.
3) But Windows does it like this; going to move someone onto a system they don't know anything about? Hope you have the time to teach them. The new system might be better but its not always their preference although it might be yours. Unless you have started them on Ubuntu or Linux to begin with and totally swapped out the windows machine or been lucky and got them on the tablet, be in for a shock when they say they can't use it.
4) Its got no professional tools - Lets face it - if you need expensive tools like for example - A white board program for teaching kids - are you going to mess about and try to vmware it just so they can use it? I think not.
5) Good for geeks not for 95 percent of others - Its good for geeks who know how to fix it and set it up. You try getting your mum to set up linux...
6) Fast paced operating systems with large budgets kills the new comer. Linux has got better, but it has a lot to do to offer substantial advantages that make it worthy of beating things like the Mac Pro or even the Windows 7. There's a lot more people that use the operating systems that you have to pay for - mainly because Microsoft (Windows) owns the space but Apples quickly catching up.
7) Tablet, Computer, Portable, Phone? This applies to all operating systems in general - What do you need to use the thing for? It might not be in anyones interest to even think about Linux.
8) Comfort zone - Unfortunately many people usually keep with what they know - and unless forced (windows 8 lol) prefer to keep with what they know and what they're happy with. If people change the start menu and can't find what they need any more - thats the only time they'll look for different options. If they know where things are and are able to get where they need to get to. The big change might be for nothing.
9) All for one or not at all. Whilst it may benefit one person for something - its not going to fit another. There's a lot of things it can do - and a lot of things it can't. Its getting better but we'll have to wait a while before the mainstream start to adopt it.
10) Open source - its good and its bad but it also can be ugly. - Some people like paying for things to know that they're getting what they're paying for. Open source might be good in that many people can work on it - but it can also be bad in that they can also exploit it. Whats to say Ubuntu goes for on sale for $10 - all of a sudden those angry free bee guys are going to have a hard time with that. Say hello to mass viruses. Its only because its free mostly, and not that well known does it not attract as much attention as windows does.

Theres my 10 Pros and 10 Cons. For your education.

<3 Dell.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Teddy on November 08, 2013, 10:53:58 pm
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7) Tablet, Computer, Portable, Phone? This applies to all operating systems in general - What do you need to use the thing for? It might not be in anyones interest to even think about Linux.

Android is Linux based. "Rooting" an android phone will give you root "super user" (sudo -su) ;)
If you actually have a rooted phone you can see the full system folders which include ~/var, ~/usr, ~/etc and the other essential Linux directories. and Android happens to be the most used mobile OS (inb4 debate, even tho even Apple admitted it)

iOS is like Mac,  UNIX (Darwin OS)

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1) Its ugly - you get what you pay for - apart from Ubuntu which is pretty classy - Checked Gentoo? Its ugly - no one wants to look at ugly especially when they are used to pretty pictures.

Depends on which distro you get and how good you are at getting third-party customization. Elementary OS is fucking sexy out of the box, 30 minutes of extra work and its creamy ;)

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2) Its a mess about - Your computer probably had windows installed. Do you want to mess about for 5 hours changing  this - removing that - finding out your system won't run a 64bit version of linux - hassle / worth it? I dunno you have to look at all the angles.

This is true however, this year, there are tons of new laptops and desktops by HP and various other companies shipping with Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.x already installed and ready to run out of the box.

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5) Good for geeks not for 95 percent of others - Its good for geeks who know how to fix it and set it up. You try getting your mum to set up linux...

My mom, sister, and her boyfriend are all running on Ubuntu.

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8) Comfort zone - Unfortunately many people usually keep with what they know - and unless forced (windows 8 lol) prefer to keep with what they know and what they're happy with. If people change the start menu and can't find what they need any more - thats the only time they'll look for different options. If they know where things are and are able to get where they need to get to. The big change might be for nothing.

This is the unfortunate part, and for those with little to no "geek" inside of them. Adapting to a Linux operating system is a challenge.

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4) Its got no professional tools - Lets face it - if you need expensive tools like for example - A white board program for teaching kids - are you going to mess about and try to vmware it just so they can use it? I think not.

Take a look now, thanks to Ubuntu's incentive recently to drive linux into Education there is a lot of new applications created for professional settings. Tbh, using Wine and PlayOnLinux isn't that hard to get setup and running. I was able to install GTA:SA with no editing of anything, I installed Wine and ran the installers.

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10) Open source - its good and its bad but it also can be ugly. - Some people like paying for things to know that they're getting what they're paying for. Open source might be good in that many people can work on it - but it can also be bad in that they can also exploit it. Whats to say Ubuntu goes for on sale for $10 - all of a sudden those angry free bee guys are going to have a hard time with that. Say hello to mass viruses. Its only because its free mostly, and not that well known does it not attract as much attention as windows does.

Open source is an advantage, you might be under the impression that anyone can make changes and push them. However there is an official team that must approve and changes made by the "community" and they are very strict. A major advantage of this like you said exploits, but not the way you think. You'll find exploits are fixed a lot quicker than on Mac and Windows since more people can see the code and point out the exploits to the developers.

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10) Personal preference - Low budget system for the best performance? Use Linux. Max budget? Get a mac pro. (up to $5000) Medium budget or gamer ? get a windows machine. ($500 up to $1500, unless you wanna go crazy before the new chipsets come out in say 1 day later).

I have a high performance machine and use Elementary OS now most of the time. I switch only to windows to do my school work since its easier (familiarity), and to play more hardcore games like ArmA 3, DayZ, etc. Its a shame windows can't support all of them yet otherwise I might just delete windows and use only Linux.

You are missing how dependable it is for servers, considering that Microsoft uses it for a majority of their systems. Their entire cloud (Windows Azure) is powered by Ubuntu Cloud and their download web-servers use Ubuntu Server. I think this basically speaks for itself ;)
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: ElMartu on November 09, 2013, 04:13:08 am
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u contradict urself in so many places

also macs are awful
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Marcel on November 12, 2013, 12:56:26 pm
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4) Its got no professional tools - Lets face it - if you need expensive tools like for example - A white board program for teaching kids - are you going to mess about and try to vmware it just so they can use it? I think not.

Most professional tools work on Linux only, to be honest. Volatile memory forensics, case management tools, database management tools, discovery and vulnerability scanning tools, and much more!

Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: EDGE on November 13, 2013, 01:17:06 am
OMG , Ubuntu isn't compatible with Nvidia cards ?  :neutral2:
It automatically installed a Driver & restarted , had to enter the recovery mode & the Graphics card is still not recognized .
Any help would be appreciated

Steve Screams!! <3     :jackson:       :bananarock:     :bananav:       :dance:
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: TheRock on November 13, 2013, 01:34:56 am
Mainly Windows XP though I'm dual booting BT5..  :rage:
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Patton on November 13, 2013, 07:01:07 pm
...
The list sounds like something from the front page of Digg in 2007. Most of the stuff — especially on the "against" list — does not hold water anymore; a lot has changed since then.
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Zorex116 on December 28, 2013, 02:27:05 pm
Steam OS use linux
Title: Re: [Random] Linux. 5 reasons to use, 5 to bin it
Post by: Patton on December 28, 2013, 03:32:04 pm
Steam OS use linux
SteamOS is Linux (and a couple more things).
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