Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on November 18, 2013, 08:15:26 pm
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A lot of people have been asking about something I mentioned in another topic. This is the idea of making money as a legitimate totally RP business. This opportunity has 4 key groups/companies. This isn't really covered in depth anywhere else, this is only one example I've come up with, there are many more.
1. The dilivery man or company
2. The target business
3. The mafia wanting the area
4. A security company
(possibly) 5. An extra mafia challenging the area
In RS5 you have truck drivers who bring product from point a to point b, this point b is the business which needs stock.
Mafia Aspect:
A mafia needs to control a certain level of businesses in an area in order to claim the territory. I think currently the amount is 75%. You can obtain the protector status of a business by either extorting the business, or willing cooperation from the business. You can extort by offering protection. Protection from what? Yourself of course.
A business needs stock, and as I said the stock is filled by a truck driver. Hi-jack the truck before it reaches, you've halted their business. They're making less money, and well now they need options. This is where you step in an "negotiate". Remember if your a protector of a business you automatically get a cut of the profit.
Delivery Driver (solo) aspect:
If you aren't working for a company you do pretty much your own thing and take business as its available. This is okay, but you might be at risk for your own loss if your attacked. You can either defend yourself from attack by your own means, calling the police or hiring an escort company for troublesome areas.
IF there is a challenge between two mafias for the area, you might even consider asking for protection from one of these mafias. OR if the business you are delivering to is protected by a mafia, you might wanna have the buiness owner ensure the product arrives safely.
Delivery company aspect:
There will be nothing from stopping someone from making a company which employs drivers to use the scripted delivery method, much like taxi companies. However, as they are your profit you might wanna protect your profit and assets by considering a contract with a escort company. Security is an essential aspect of this business mainly in areas where you know the going can get rough.
The same is true here if there is a conflict between two groups for control of an area.
Escort and Security company aspect:
Your goal is to ensure the product and driver arrives from the factory/warehouse to the target business(es) without loss of the products or driver. This means either going as a passenger with the driver and ready to engage any threats, or forming a convoy delivery.
This isn't scripted, so how do you make money? With a private driver you can ask for a percentage of the delivery reward. With a contracted delivery company you can also ask for a regular pay from the business, which may just include a percentage of the overall delivery's per week.
This is only a fraction of the new possibilities that exist in RS5 as long as you take a few systems and put them together.
All it takes is a little new creative perspective.
Feel free to share any new things you feel are possible, such as taking advantage of the stock market soon to come, the mechanic system, and etc.
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Well explained.
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Brilliant features. This is going to be huge if the bugs get out.
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I remember it being explained over TS once but actually reading it is another story. I think groups will welcome the new addition to be able to target rival businesses and hurt them in the pocket and even extort them so they have safe passage in an area. Security companies will be able to provide a solid role now that there is something on the line to protect.
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What value per truck are we talking here? Mostly everything explained here comes down to the truckers, but if they are not hauling considerable amount of money, would it even be worth the hassle of all this?
What I mean is, say you do create a trucking company. Your expenses would be escort services and/or protection from mafia. Your income would be just a cut of the trucker's haul. Would it be valuable for the company's owner to hire protection, as that'd mean paying a cut from a cut?
Say you're a trucker hired by the company. Would your haul be still worth the drive after the cut?
Say you're a trucker going solo and hire protection. Would it be worth it for the protection to spend their time and potentially equipment (ammunition used, or worst case scenario - lost in death) for a cut of the profit? And would it be worth for the driver to invest the time after the cut?
Say you're mafia trying to extort a business. Would the haul be so expensive as to make the business owner think twice about messing with them? If not, would the mafia not be wasting time, as the business owner could just ignore the failed deliveries? How would mafia know which driver is delivering where? Would they have to stand outside the business, waiting for a lorry to show up?
As you can see, everything revolves around the value of the trucks. What are the numbers we are talking about? And yes, I'm well aware the roleplay is worth more than the money, I fully agree with that, but not everyone does, and by not everyone I mean a person deciding whether to be a trucker or a fireman. See, if the value is not sufficient enough, it might end up not being used by anyone, except friends of the business owners. Ruins the concept.
Love the idea, though, I really hope these points will not ruin it!
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The value of the truck depends on how much cargo it has.
The market value fluctuates, but there is decent reward available for all parties. While, the mafia which hijacks the truck will not be able to cash in on the cargo, they are doing it for another objective which is protector status. Which, that in itself renders profit variant on the amount of product sold at that business.
As far as what the cut is for a driver, I guess that really comes down the contract with the company. The company will need to create incentives for the driver, if they'll be taking a cut there needs to be a reason to fork it up compared to going solo. That however comes down to the creativity of the driver company.
The Mafia's objective is to disrupt the business and then offer them protection against that disruption. Not actually cashing in on that truck.
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Brilliant features. This is going to be huge if the bugs get out.
On the other hand, all of the above looks great. Maybe my Gruppe Sechs company could make a return from IV:MP to here?
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A business requiring frequent deliveries would have to be frequently used. There are only three types of businesses who can reliably assure that:
1) Ammu-nation/Official food shops in vicinity of Ammu-Nation or active locations. Frequently used, high value cargo, very few of them. Owner more than likely able to afford MASSIVE protection, even more likely to get friends to do it instead. Good for the trucker and the protection, bad for Mafia.
2) Cheaper-than-average/free businesses. Semi-frequently used, low value cargo, quite a lot of them. Owner unable to afford protection without losing money, drivers and companies unwilling to hire protection due to low value of cargo. Bad for trucker (and worse for the companies) and the protection, good for the Mafia, as there would not be a lot of drivers willing to do such low value cargos.
3) Active roleplay businesses. Semi-frequently used, medium value cargo, very few of them (can only have so many porn stores to offer a unique roleplay with). It's an all-around shop with benefits for everyone, but the issue is the lack of them and lack of stock actually purchased, as the purpose of these is to roleplay, instead of gain something from them.
Some sort of incentive to visit businesses, other than ammu-nation and cheapest food store in town, would be required for this to be useful for all parties involved. An electronics shop somewhere in Jefferson is not going to get a lot of visitors, not a lot of deliveries would be required. Chance of mafia to intercept one of these is uselessly low.
Some sort of reasonable system where truckers would get paid more than the actual cargo is worth, which is unlikely with the way RS5 economy works would be needed, or some sort of way to lose stock without causing a lot of losses to the business owner, which seems impossible. Or new types of businesses required for new features?
How about police departments, hospitals, city halls and other government owned buildings having this system implemented? Deliveries ordered by the Mayor, paid by the taxes. Them deagles, batons, donuts and armor in PDs has to come from SOMEWHERE. Medical supplies don't grow on trees either, and I've yet to see ladders and extinguisher create themselves, never mind all the water firemen use, that could be delivered with the fuel tanks. And those passport tests require a lot of office supplies, as do name change forms.
If any of these things run out of the stock, the government building should fail to continue to operate, creating problems for Mayor. And if mafia manages to disrupt police service in Los Santos, and has Mayor running to them begging for them to stop, I think they're doing quite well. And if he doesn't, the population are going to backlash and re-elect someone else, who will assure undisrupted service due to protection he will provide.... Because he controls the largest mafia in the city.
COME ON, I WANT THAT TO BE REALITY NOW.
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The deliveries should have preset times that they can be carried out, say 3 times a day every 8 hours or so starting at 7am onwards. Otherwise intercepting deliveries is basically impossible since people will just do it when nobody else is on.
Also a random thing that is pretty unrelated I guess - but is there a cost effective way for mobile businesses (e.g. ice cream van) to advertise or spread the word in RS5?
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I'm not entirely sure how the delivery system works myself, so I can't speak to the point of when they are done.
In regards to advertisements. Behind the scenes we are discussing the idea of allowing the rental of billboards which could prove effective in a new advertisement method. There is also talk of city /ad compared to global /ad which the city ad would be a lot cheaper.
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Medical supplies don't grow on trees either,
Sorry, poor choice of words, but you get the idea.
Anyway, another upside of implementing this would mean most mobsters targeting Los Santos, rather than San Fierro or Las Venturas, due to the high population and desirability. So what would firemen, medics, driving school teachers, ARA, etc do instead? Start operating from other towns with less disruptions instead. Suddenly, those are more desirable for mobs. Ho Lee Fuk, we've just moved some population away from Los Santos. That's in RS5 vision, isn't it?
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Man I just hope SF and LV get equal attention.
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Sorry, poor choice of words, but you get the idea.
Anyway, another upside of implementing this would mean most mobsters targeting Los Santos, rather than San Fierro or Las Venturas, due to the high population and desirability. So what would firemen, medics, driving school teachers, ARA, etc do instead? Start operating from other towns with less disruptions instead. Suddenly, those are more desirable for mobs. Ho Lee Fuk, we've just moved some population away from Los Santos. That's in RS5 vision, isn't it?
We have focused on removing the large population out of LS, again we can only do so much it really comes down to the players. We would like to see SF, and LV areas used a lot more.
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Steps such as these are definitely the way to go, as they combine roleplay and scripts to essentially force them out of LS. A medic unable to /medic at Los Santos would have to go elsewhere, but he'd only be unable to do so because of roleplay decisions made by the players. Sure, the medic might go straight to Los Santos, except all the firemen are going to be elsewhere as well, so not much point.
Look, I can be very, very, very convincing, so just implement this already :D
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There is also talk of city /ad compared to global /ad which the city ad would be a lot cheaper.
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You had very good ideas devs, good work! :D
I can't wait to see them working!!
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This sound great. I might even stop being a cop for a while and try to be a criminal thanks to this. I can imagine great immersion if I'll try to hijack a delivery truck.