Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: ClazzyJogel on November 22, 2013, 02:29:29 pm
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Hi fellow argonathians,
I want to clear up a few things and tell you why you we should add a system, where you can pay for ingame money, and why it wont ruining your Argonath RPG experience.
Money isn't what determines your rank or status in Argonath RPG SA:MP. If you are a player who wants to get rich fast, then you can do so. This will NOT make you a better player. You can purchases homes, cars, and so forth, but it will not in any way make you elite, so why not add an option where people can donate money and recieve IG cash? This will be a win - win for both the community and the players.
The community will gain better servers, less lag, and more money in their pockets. The community leaders can pay for better managers, and better webmasters. The players paying for the IG money, will be more active, leading to a succesfull server.
As far as I have researched, there havent been much money donated for Argonath RPG so far, and that could be the result of the recent server shut down etc. So in the love of the community, I feel this is neccesary.
Sincerly,
AnthraX
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Paying for in game money? WTF you are crazy ppl. This have to stop!
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Here is a list what I find both reasonable and justified, according to balancing the economy.
100 000$ - 5$
500 000$ - 10$
1 000 000$ - 15$
Of course, this can be discussed..
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pay2win yes right, are you serious?
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Dude it is a game , why would people do something like that ?
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Let me give example, some newbie will give 1000$ IRL money just to be rich. Then he will go to casino, gamble with it and he will lost IRL money, just sayin' so.
EDIT: Also that grandpa on avatar is ugly.
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The argonath vision clearly states that argonath does not sell IG advantages.
Plus, have you seen the RS4 economy? It is messed up. That is why in RS5 there is a fixed amount of money on the server. Randomly injecting millions will literally destroy the RS5 economy harder than it's RS4 counterpart.
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As Philip said, paying to gain in-game advantage will most likely never happen.
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I would gladly donate if there were more donation options but not to benefit my self ingame, but the community..
We do not need money exchange things such as that, pay for benefit. Nope.
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As Philip said, paying to gain in-game advantage will most likely never happen.
Well in our community I find it neccesary.
I think it will overweight the fact that the servers has been so unstable, and that Argonath RPG cannot afford good enough servers. I'd rather experience people with lots of money, then servers unable to play in, and tons of moaning.
As stated, it is a win-win for everyone, and the biggest communities are experience success due to the fact that it lets their users choose to donate for benefits. And I must remind, this is a game, it is viritual money so if people want to pay for that, I see no problem.
As always, its in the love of the community.
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Quick answer - No.
We do not and will not ever support the trading of real life money for in-game advantages such as money or items.
The server is there for people to have fun and earn their keep, not to simply "buy" their things with real life cash.
There is nothing wrong with Argonaths hosting company nor the servers it is being hosted on so I have no idea where you came up with that from.
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No. This is fully against the Argonath Vision and will never be done. It is against the core principles our community was founded on.
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Well in our community I find it neccesary.
I think it will overweight the fact that the servers has been so unstable, and that Argonath RPG cannot afford good enough servers. I'd rather experience people with lots of money, then servers unable to play in, and tons of moaning.
As stated, it is a win-win for everyone, and the biggest communities are experience success due to the fact that it lets their users choose to donate for benefits. And I must remind, this is a game, it is viritual money so if people want to pay for that, I see no problem.
As always, its in the love of the community.
What are you talking about? Servers are perfectly fine...
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Well in our community I find it neccesary.
I think it will overweight the fact that the servers has been so unstable, and that Argonath RPG cannot afford good enough servers. I'd rather experience people with lots of money, then servers unable to play in, and tons of moaning.
As stated, it is a win-win for everyone, and the biggest communities are experience success due to the fact that it lets their users choose to donate for benefits. And I must remind, this is a game, it is viritual money so if people want to pay for that, I see no problem.
As always, its in the love of the community.
What the hell are you talking about?
The current servers are rock solid, the only instability we had was due to DDOS attacks, which is why we moved to a protected server.
Since we started on this IP, the box has been running for 3 months without a single restart, if you wish to call that instable be my guest.
Similar the web server is only restarting for maintenance and has been fullly available.
On the current server script lag has mostly been non-existent.
I have no idea who is spreading these lies, and find it even more amusing people are believing it and making suggestions while they seem not to be able to know reality.
We ban anyone who is selling in-game money or benefits and that will remain.
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No. This is fully against the Argonath Vision and will never be done. It is against the core principles our community was founded on.
Well same applies for the US government, it was based out of the constitution.
There has been 27 changes since its initial.
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What the hell are you talking about?
The current servers are rock solid, the only instability we had was due to DDOS attacks, which is why we moved to a protected server.
Since we started on this IP, the box has been running for 3 months without a single restart, if you wish to call that instable be my guest.
Similar the web server is only restarting for maintenance and has been fullly available.
On the current server script lag has mostly been non-existent.
I have no idea who is spreading these lies, and find it even more amusing people are believing it and making suggestions while they seem not to be able to know reality.
We ban anyone who is selling in-game money or benefits and that will remain.
Have you even taken a look recently at your own server?
Here is quotes from the chat, from 10 minutes of IG today ...
[16:10:32] <Tunix_Lectone> (39) Server bugged?
[16:11:52] <=AV=Denzel> (40) test
[16:11:53] AnthraX(42) says: test
[16:13:07] <Tommeh> (20) fuck sake fire mission
[16:13:08] <Chris.J> (49) Firemans
[16:13:09] <Andeey> (5) is the server laggin or is it just me?[16:14:52] <Dimitri.> (46) Lags
[16:14:55] <Rei_Luciano> (30) Someone sell his Villa?
[16:15:05] <BJoker> (13) Yes me
[16:15:11] <Tommeh> (20) Anyone lagging like hell?
[16:15:20] <BJoker> (13) Yeah
[16:15:29] <Tim_Hill> (17) Yes
[16:15:58] <Tommeh> (20) Anyone lagging like hell?
[16:16:01] <Amazing_Horror> (3) Admins im bugged again
[16:16:01] AnthraX(42) says: sir
[16:16:02] <Brunik.> (28) Me
[16:16:02] <Andeey> (5) Yes the Server is lagging.
[16:16:04] <Amazing_Horror> (3) Connection problem
[16:16:04] <Ronnie.> (15) Yes
[16:16:05] <Ronnie.> (15) Me
[16:16:06] <Chris.J> (21) me
[16:16:09] <Notes_Corleone> (23) nope
[16:16:09] <Amazing_Horror> (3) Have to reconnect again
[16:16:10] Abdullah.(43) has joined the server from Pakistan.
[16:16:10] =AV=Denzel(40) says: Yeah?
[16:16:13] <TeaM_Pazienza> (35) fine
[16:16:14] <Tommeh> (20) yeah this is very fuckin lag
[16:16:36] <Ronnie.> (15) Wow that lag
[16:16:37] <Dii_VicenzoT> (0) OIW
Go ingame and take a look yourself.
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Funnily enough he is more active on SA:MP than you have been recently.
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Have you even taken a look recently at your own server?
Here is quotes from the chat, from 10 minutes of IG today ...
[16:10:32] <Tunix_Lectone> (39) Server bugged?
[16:11:52] <=AV=Denzel> (40) test
[16:11:53] AnthraX(42) says: test
[16:13:07] <Tommeh> (20) f**k sake fire mission
[16:13:08] <Chris.J> (49) Firemans
[16:13:09] <Andeey> (5) is the server laggin or is it just me?[16:14:52] <Dimitri.> (46) Lags
[16:14:55] <Rei_Luciano> (30) Someone sell his Villa?
[16:15:05] <BJoker> (13) Yes me
[16:15:11] <Tommeh> (20) Anyone lagging like hell?
[16:15:20] <BJoker> (13) Yeah
[16:15:29] <Tim_Hill> (17) Yes
[16:15:58] <Tommeh> (20) Anyone lagging like hell?
[16:16:01] <Amazing_Horror> (3) Admins im bugged again
[16:16:01] AnthraX(42) says: sir
[16:16:02] <Brunik.> (28) Me
[16:16:02] <Andeey> (5) Yes the Server is lagging.
[16:16:04] <Amazing_Horror> (3) Connection problem
[16:16:04] <Ronnie.> (15) Yes
[16:16:05] <Ronnie.> (15) Me
[16:16:06] <Chris.J> (21) me
[16:16:09] <Notes_Corleone> (23) nope
[16:16:09] <Amazing_Horror> (3) Have to reconnect again
[16:16:10] Abdullah.(43) has joined the server from Pakistan.
[16:16:10] =AV=Denzel(40) says: Yeah?
[16:16:13] <TeaM_Pazienza> (35) fine
[16:16:14] <Tommeh> (20) yeah this is very f**kin lag
[16:16:36] <Ronnie.> (15) Wow that lag
[16:16:37] <Dii_VicenzoT> (0) OIW
Go ingame and take a look yourself.
It was said dozens of times that lags issues will be solved with RS5. Unless it was a DDoS, which I doubt.
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People often complain of lag that is perfectly explainable by actions of developers or attacks.
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Well same applies for the US government, it was based out of the constitution.
There has been 27 changes since its initial.
This is not the US government. This is a privately owned gaming community with a clear vision. I doubt that the vision will be changed, especially on this specific subject. Allowing people to obtain in-game advantages will completely erase any equality, since players from some countries might not be able to purchase anything due to their economic situation or because payment options are unavailable to them.
Just keep us all equal and enjoy the game. If you want to donate to keep Argonath running, that's great, but expect nothing in return except for the gratefulness of the community.
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What are you talking about? Servers are perfectly fine...
It was said dozens of times that lags issues will be solved with RS5. Unless it was a DDoS, which I doubt.
I find this alittle funny, I had to post evidance to make you admit that the servers arent "perfectly fine"
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Dude it is a game , why would people do something like that ?
They are rich, they run oil fields :>. :gand:
Let me give example, some newbie will give 1000$ IRL money just to be rich. Then he will go to casino, gamble with it and he will lost IRL money, just sayin' so.
EDIT: Also that grandpa on avatar is ugly.
His money yo
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The community leaders can pay for better managers
Now this fucking bullshit is pissing me off. Do you have any fucking idea of what the hell we're doing for the players? All we're getting nowadays is 'the managers are shit and should be removed' but the irony in all this is that no one is giving us any kind of constructive feedback on how we can improve which means i honestly dont give a fuck about what you think about us.
Think about what you're saying as next time you want help from a manager, you might not get it.
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I find this alittle funny, I had to post evidance to make you admit that the servers arent "perfectly fine"
Servers are fine, scripts are different thing.
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I find this alittle funny, I had to post evidance to make you admit that the servers arent "perfectly fine"
Evidence* you are talking how much server is fucked up, and your grammar is great YO
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Servers are fine, scripts are different thing.
So that is the excuse? I live in Norway, and I play with a 150 ping with my 25mb/s network.
Well same applies, the community needs an income to overcome its issues wether its script or servers.
And at the same time the benefits of donating can be a motivating factor for activity and success.
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Well same applies, the community needs an income to overcome its issues wether its script or servers.
So you're telling me donations will increase the quality of our scripts?
:dead:
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So that is the excuse? I live in Norway, and I play with a 150 ping with my 25mb/s network.
Well same applies, the community needs an income to overcome its issues wether its script or servers.
And at the same time the benefits of donating can be a motivating factor for activity and success.
Well, move to Italy, you will have a better ping.
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So that is the excuse? I live in Norway, and I play with a 150 ping with my 25mb/s network.
Well same applies, the community needs an income to overcome its issues wether its script or servers.
And at the same time the benefits of donating can be a motivating factor for activity and success.
And your ping is our problem? I play on a 1mb/s network with 190 ping but I am not complaining.
Money is not the solution to everything, if you want to help as you claim then why do you need something in return for a donation?
You don't give money to a foundation and then expect something in return do you?
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Server specs are some of the best around, you forget that the scripts may be producing memory leaks which in turn will be slowing down server performance.
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Well same applies, the community needs an income to overcome its issues wether its script or servers.
I don't think you understand what a community is. If we wanted to be paid to script we'd get a job but we want to script and we want to help the community..
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The community leaders can pay for better managers, and better webmasters.
I see no problem with the current ones. They have the dedication without the need for payment.
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Things you don't expect veterans to post 101
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So that is the excuse? I live in Norway, and I play with a 150 ping with my 25mb/s network.
Well same applies, the community needs an income to overcome its issues wether its script or servers.
And at the same time the benefits of donating can be a motivating factor for activity and success.
First of all if you check the license of the SA:MP server it is actually illegal to do what you suggest. Now I know that most of the big servers should be taken off the list if they would enforce it.
The ping is the connection to the server, that will not change by improving it.
FYI we currently have an 8-core, 16GB RAM with 100Mb uplink which rests in a data center. At this time processor occupancy is 33%, memory is 40% and netowrk is 12.5%. This means there is still capacity enough.
As for income, we currently get back about 40% of cost from the ads we run. The rest amount is either from donations or our pockets.
Apart from that we do not feel we should extort money from minors by offering in-game advantages, it would also bring pretty huse issues with respect to players being banned or a reset of accounts. All things we do not want to get troubled with, as it is not our source of income but a hobby. Some people go to a club and spend Eur 100 every week. We spend considerable less to provide constant fun for a lot of people.
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I don't think you understand what a community is. If we wanted to be paid to script we'd get a job but we want to script and we want to help the community..
Truth often suffers more by the heat of its defenders than the arguments of its opposers, as there are several other communities, managing to keep a server problem free.
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Truth often suffers more by the heat of its defenders than the arguments of its opposers.
What truth?
What i've only seen from you is bullshit as you have not been able to provide evidence for your 'truth'.
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As for income, we currently get back about 40% of cost from the ads we run. The rest amount is either from donations or our pockets.
Sad to see that you have to pay for your own servers, whilst servers that you can compare with Argonath in size gets overflowed with income, and you have all the potential and opportunity with this community.
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Sad to see that you did not read his post.
...as it is not our source of income but a hobby. ...
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Sad to see that you have to pay for your own servers, whilst servers that you can compare with Argonath in size gets overflowed with income, and you have all the potential and opportunity with this community.
We are ware of what happens elsewhere, it has been happening since we opened Argonath. Our choice has been not to go down that path, and if that means people will not donate, so be it.
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Sad to see that you did not read his post.
I shouldnt care that much to be honest, he is missing his opportunity, not me.
I have no idea how this topic become what is it, but to get back to my original idea, which was to pay for IG money, seems like it will not become reality, even thought the same idea is used in several other servers, and heck even GTA:V online!
Good night, I'm out :D
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Why suggest something if you don't care about listening to answers? The logic is non-existent.
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How about no?
If money doesn't determine anything in-game, then developers shouldn't sell it and players shouldn't buy it.
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So in the love of the community, I feel this is neccesary.
If you love it so much, why don't you just donate yourself? Or do you want something in return?
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First of all if you check the license of the SA:MP server it is actually illegal to do what you suggest. Now I know that most of the big servers should be taken off the list if they would enforce it.
The ping is the connection to the server, that will not change by improving it.
FYI we currently have an 8-core, 16GB RAM with 100Mb uplink which rests in a data center. At this time processor occupancy is 33%, memory is 40% and netowrk is 12.5%. This means there is still capacity enough.
As for income, we currently get back about 40% of cost from the ads we run. The rest amount is either from donations or our pockets.
Apart from that we do not feel we should extort money from minors by offering in-game advantages, it would also bring pretty huse issues with respect to players being banned or a reset of accounts. All things we do not want to get troubled with, as it is not our source of income but a hobby. Some people go to a club and spend Eur 100 every week. We spend considerable less to provide constant fun for a lot of people.
Gandalf Seriously i cant neglect this and gandalf i need to talk to you please can you come over pm? Its not about me not about the unban its something else
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even thought the same idea is used in several other servers
Then i suggest you go enjoy paying IRL money to gain IG money in these " several other servers " ..
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Then i suggest you go enjoy paying IRL money to gain IG money in these " several other servers " ..
He probably already did it! :D
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heck even GTA:V online!
You can't even compare GTA V (Rockstar Games) to Argonath RPG.
One is a multi-million pound company who develop games primarily for consoles, the other is a gaming community found within the confines of SA:MP.
Companies like Rockstar Games will always charge for "extra" content to help you win and have a advantage among others plus they run hundreds of servers so people all over the world can play, here we have one.
Other servers in SA:MP might condone selling in-game items for real life money, mostly used to buy into an administrative position or acquire extra vehicles, properties and so on. Items which at the end of the day are fiction and serve no real purpose.
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He probably already did it! :D
Cyril after playing 9 days i realised that Argonath is a community which can be like your brother and can be forever with you if you are kind and friendly with it. It is the most awsome community i have ever visited and may god bless this community. Even if an admin makes a mistake anyhow he tries to do the best for you.
P.S IT IS BETTER THEN ****!!!!!
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Cyril after playing 9 days i realised that Argonath is a community which can be like your brother and can be forever with you if you are kind and friendly with it. It is the most awsome community i have ever visited and may god bless this community. Even if an admin makes a mistake anyhow he tries to do the best for you.
P.S IT IS BETTER THEN ****!!!!!
You should refrain from indirectly advertising, either way both communities are different on a huge scale. I wouldn't try say one is better than the other, as we aren't even in the same league as there.
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You should refrain from indirectly advertising, either way both communities are different on a huge scale. I wouldn't try say one is better than the other, as we aren't even in the same league as there.
Sorry rusty i am really sorry but seriously only a player knows whats the truth. I have been there for a while and shifted here recently I sware the fun i got here in 9 days was GREATER and BETTER then i had there in 2 months ! this is the best community i have ever shifted. I am thinking to make my whole life career here
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Sorry rusty i am really sorry but seriously only a player knows whats the truth. I have been there for a while and shifted here recently I sware the fun i got here in 9 days was GREATER and BETTER then i had there in 2 months ! this is the best community i have ever shifted. I am thinking to make my whole life career here
People have opinions, some like here some like elsewhere but don't advertise even if it wasn't your aim too.
Spending your whole life here wouldn't be a good option, like many who have come before you will grow out of playing. Time to move on comes for everyone sooner or later.
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Sorry rusty i am really sorry but seriously only a player knows whats the truth. I have been there for a while and shifted here recently I sware the fun i got here in 9 days was GREATER and BETTER then i had there in 2 months ! this is the best community i have ever shifted. I am thinking to make my whole life career here
Welcome to Argonath! :balance:
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Go play you know what server if you wanna pay for a bigger e-penis. Not here. Not ever.
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Go play you know what server if you wanna pay for a bigger e-penis. Not here. Not ever.
TEDDY I HOPE THIS WAS NOT FOR ME AS I AM AN ARGONATH RPG PLAYER
Welcome to Argonath! :balance:
Thankyou :) DHL.MARCEL :)
Post merged by Teddy... do not double post please.
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TEDDY I HOPE THIS WAS NOT FOR ME AS I AM AN ARGONATH RPG PLAYER
As am I, however, I don't care about how much money I have, what benefits I do or don't have and I don't think a "pay to win" system would suit Argonath. It's just not the way we operate, the way the owners wish to operate and stands directly against the principles and morals upon which the owners founded the community.
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As am I, however, I don't care about how much money I have, what benefits I do or don't have and I don't think a "pay to win" system would suit Argonath. It's just not the way we operate, the way the owners wish to operate and stands directly against the principles and morals upon which the owners founded the community.
THATS IT YOU ARE GETTING ME IN ANGER MAN! READ MY POSTS CAREFULLY. I AM ALSO AGAINST PAY2WIN POLICY. It should never happen in argonathrpg
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Already donated to the Argonath Community: Don't want privileges, and I think it's stupid to have them. It's against the vision, and it would be just... idk... idiotic.
I donated because I've been here since the beggining and I wanted to help this be a better place for everyone to be in, any way I can. The purpose of donation is to give with the objective of helping, not asking something in return.
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THATS IT YOU ARE GETTING ME IN ANGER MAN! READ MY POSTS CAREFULLY
Relax man, I never aimed my comments at you.
The purpose of donation is to give with the objective of helping, not asking something in return.
Couldn't be put anymore clear than the way you just did. :app:
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Relax man, I never aimed my comments at you.
Thankyou :) Now i am chilled up :P
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Well same applies for the US government, it was based out of the constitution.
There has been 27 changes since its initial.
Do you research friend, there haven't been 27 changes to the United States Constitution there have been amendments to the current Constitution which are simply addons to pre-existing Constitution clauses not full on changes..and there have been hundreds of amendments not 27..
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Now this f**king bullshit is pissing me off. Do you have any f**king idea of what the hell we're doing for the players? All we're getting nowadays is 'the managers are shit and should be removed' but the irony in all this is that no one is giving us any kind of constructive feedback on how we can improve which means i honestly dont give a f**k about what you think about us.
Think about what you're saying as next time you want help from a manager, you might not get it.
If he says so, then people think so. To begin with, you're doing your job voluntarily, all you're getting back from it is satisfaction that you did something good. If you can't cope with the fact that some people plain out don't care about your job, why are you still there?
On the other hand, if you say it yourselves "All we're getting nowadays is <...>", didn't you try to insight that there might indeed be a problem?
Do you research friend, there haven't been 27 changes to the United States Constitution there have been amendments to the current Constitution which are simply addons to pre-existing Constitution clauses not full on changes..and there have been hundreds of amendments not 27..
The fact that the US constitution indeed was little changed exists. And it is a really great accomplishment, I'll give them that.
To put topic straight, this entire idea is hideous. How about server owners institute Admin privilege for money, eh? Just how they do on CSS servers.
Now think for a second what will happen.
Or think for a second what will happen if people would pool money into stuff. One way or another, these changes will turn out drastic and will affect entire server, and ruin the economy YET AGAIN....
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I'm surprised this topic wasn't locked after half of the first page filled, considering that it's never ever going to be done and is useless to discuss it when it's only going to do nothing but further divide people through ideologies.
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I'm surprised this topic wasn't locked after half of the first page filled, considering that it's never ever going to be done and is useless to discuss it when it's only going to do nothing but further divide people through ideologies.
That doesent need to be a negative thing, it lets people share their opinions and in this case, it looks like my ideology was wrong.
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Because discussions are boss. And if it's either discuss this on forums or in-game, I'm sure it's preferred we discuss it here, though I do agree, this discussion doesn't really have any chance of going anywhere.
That said, here's the best benefit for donations ever: More smileys for the forums. No visible rank, no big flashy DONATOR tag, nothing, just access to more smileys.
:D
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it looks like my ideology was wrong.
No nonononononono, NO. Don't ever let me see you say anything like that again. Your ideology was not wrong - it simply contradicted the general ideology of Argonath. Opinions are always a matter of agreeing, disagreeing, or neither, not a matter of being right or wrong.
Having your own ideologies and opinions empowers you and makes you an individual, rather than a sheep. You are free to fight/argue for what you believe as ardently as you please, so long as it does not infringe upon anyone else's beliefs and does not break any rules.
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Pay 2 Win is frowned upon among gamers for a reason.
It's the lazy man's way to go from the bottom to the top, so yes this will ruin the "Argonath Experience".
Besides, offering benefits for donations is a thin line to walk upon, a thin line that I can guarantee almost everyone who does it eventually starts getting greedy and offers far to much.
If you want to see an example of this, just look at 90% of all the Minecraft Servers out there.
Not abusing such a option is very hard due to the temptation of making big bucks.
Besides, you are confusing Donation with Payment, you donate because you want to support a cause, plan or group. Not to purchase stuff from them.
Also, let me remind you that Donating to receive goods (in any form, that also includes digital stuff) is against Paypal's Terms of Use, which would warrant a freeze of Argonath's donation account, and eventually termination of said account. (Not that they check this often, but if they do find a case they will act on it).
Also, Paypal is known to steal money from accounts they freeze and/or terminate (and they can do so legally thanks to their terms of use), which would incur a loss of the funds that has been donated.
Your intentions are well placed, but it will only lead to ruin, you need to look further beyond just "money" and look at what would happen to all the other factors.
As an example, lotteries in RS4 heavily ruined the economy there, what do you think would happen if suddenly 60 million Argo dollars was introduced from thin air because of donations, Even when the economy is currently stable?
Consider these factors:
The Economy.
The Balance between players.
The Equality.
The Risks.
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Cheers for the concise and objective post, Gird3r.
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There are some interesting opinions on this topic.
The community/owners might want to consider introducing an incentive scheme which rewards players for their contribution to the community. This should be restricted in the form that the benefiting player would have no advantage over non-contributory players. The non-contributory player should also be able to reap the same benefit as the contributing player through an alternative incentive scheme.
These type of suggestions would not contravene the Argonath vision.
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I'll do the favors of ending this ;)
Gandalf won't accept this idea in any way, he wont take money. He will take donations, but there are nothing to receive in return.
If it is added, the player count of the community will drop severely and the reputation of the community will be decreased significantly, regardless if its for a good reason or not, people will believe what they want to believe.
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And what would you suggest to be a viable incentive which will not be unfair to the rest but still provide a legitimate reason to offer a form of donation?
Why would someone offer a donation for some incentive if they can acquire the same thing without a monetary donation.
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And what would you suggest to be a viable incentive which will not be unfair to the rest but still provide a legitimate reason to offer a form of donation?
Why would someone offer a donation for some incentive if they can acquire the same thing without a monetary donation.
For example, on donating/contributing the said player would fall under a tier of Argonath donation membership. The player’s membership status would be reflected by a pre-fixed in-game colour. Reflecting this and in view of the Argonath vision which dictates no prejudice among players – non-contributory players should also be allowed to gain the same status without having to satisfy the same conditions of contributory players. In this case, I suggest that they satisfy the criteria of membership through in-game time spent online (considering AFK is abolished).
The two suggestions are also good measures to encourage contributing to the community and also to incentivise players in spending more time in-game especially with the upcoming transition to RS5.
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For example, on donating/contributing the said player would fall under a tier of Argonath donation membership. The player’s membership status would be reflected by a pre-fixed in-game colour. Reflecting this and in view of the Argonath vision which dictates no prejudice among players – non-contributory players should also be allowed to gain the same status without having to satisfy the same conditions of contributory players. In this case, I suggest that they satisfy the criteria of membership through in-game time spent online (considering AFK is abolished).
The two suggestions are also good measures to encourage contributing to the community and also to incentivise players in spending more time in-game especially with the upcoming transition to RS5.
In other words, establish VIP status?
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More like "yo dawg, I donated" status.
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I can see it now, "VIP" status being crowned upon those fortunate enough to have money to donate to a video game, where others do not have the means to. This would only lead to the "I'm a VIP and you're not" type situation during arguments. Just to add icing to the already melting ice cream cake:
Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.
This really will never happen, it's against the vision, and that vision ain't changing any time soon.
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No thanks. Just lock and load the topic.
You want to pay to get stuff, but a majority of Argonath players are minors, who can't play. Heck at least 40% of players haven't even paid for the GTA game they enjoy so much.. and you want them to steal(they'd, I know I would if I had to, Argonath is too damn addictive, way too much at times) irl just cause they want to buy a house IG or their 19 year old friend has a mansion and 5 cars just cause he donated?
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The problems with any form of incentive comes down to segregation, even by giving them a different colour in-game it will separate those that have donated, or even worked for the "incentive" from those that have not.
In theory it seems like a viable means of incentive for a small donation but it is far more than just giving someone a colour in-game, it is dividing the players into two classes, those that donated and those that haven't which will never lead to anything good.
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It seems Mr. Anthrax may be forgetting one simple fact: 90 percent of most SA:MP players are minors(underage), and do not have access to money without going through their parents, and most parents do not consider "paying for their kids to spend more time playing video games" to be a worthwhile cause. If SA:MP had a community filled with rich people who have money to blow on gaming, this would be an okay idea, but this is just not the case.
Also, think about this - Argonath has made it clear for YEARS that it accepts donations, and hardly anyone has done so. That is proof that this community of gamers are not able or willing to give money, especially for a very old gaming platform that is very close to seeing its last days. I know that sounds negative, but it's the truth.
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Simple answer: 90% of the players goals are based on money, kids would buy money all the time so that they're better than anyone else. Good for Argonath, bad for players; end of story.
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The problems with any form of incentive comes down to segregation, even by giving them a different colour in-game it will separate those that have donated, or even worked for the "incentive" from those that have not.
In theory it seems like a viable means of incentive for a small donation but it is far more than just giving someone a colour in-game, it is dividing the players into two classes, those that donated and those that haven't which will never lead to anything good.
Thanks for your response.
The wider question in the community is the continuity of Argonath and having a disaster recovery plan in place where the owners can no longer/or depend on financial support to continue operating. We have an obligation to the community to support it in exploring options/solutions that fit the Argonath vision. While these options might not be easy to implement or be seen as change in direction from the past does not warrant them void. It’s imperative to encourage change, where justified to overcome obstacles which may hinder us from progressing in the long term.
There will always be segregation in the community in the same way there will always be a divide between cops and criminals. The reason there is segregation is because the need for it exists and is justified. In the same way, you may choose to see my suggestions in the same light since they are being brought forward for consideration for the greater good of all.
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Who is removing my posts all the f**ing time? I believe I have the rights to state my opinion about stuff aswell as you Zaila? Yes I take it as you are the one doing it, since a few of my sentences was forwarded to you.
However, benefits for donating never ends good, so no.
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Who is removing my posts all the f**ing time? I believe I have the rights to state my opinion about stuff aswell as you Zaila? Yes I take it as you are the one doing it, since a few of my sentences was forwarded to you.
However, benefits for donating never ends good, so no.
What? I haven't even seen any message you have written to me as i haven't been reading this topic today.
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You are welcome to state your opinion however cynical and sarcastic remarks are not necessary which were removed.