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Title: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Gandalf on November 29, 2013, 05:04:35 pm
Some times life is complicated. But when you get lemons, make lemonade.
Due to unforseen circumstances we are experiencing downtime, as thsoe of who who actually attempt to go in game might have noticed.
For those who only frequent the forum: we are experiencing some downtime.  :D

Now for what caused it and why all scripters and server leaders are running around is something that we will not tire you with. Just be assured that anyone who claims it as a hack or attack is lying though their teeth and should not be taken seriously on any word they say, present past or future.

The downtime has had an effect that we have had time to sit together and discuss the current situation on SA:MP. And the result is that rather than keep players suspended in between not knowing what to do in RS4 as anything acquired will be lost and being unsure about RS5 we will do what we planned before the beta release.
When we bring SA:MP up, it will be on a RS5 server. It will be a sunrise period, meaning that you can expect some bugs and frequently needed updates. However that shows the active work of the scirpting team that has been mostly hidden this year.
The sunrise period means you have time to learn how to use and abuse the script, and the HQ will watch you like a hawk. The abuses that need to be closed will be.

As for our other servers, business will resume, however there may be minor side effects of the downtime that we hope will be removed in short time.

Watch this board for information about the progress.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 29, 2013, 05:09:40 pm
So expected this. D: And this is definitely what's needed to actually kick RS5 off, there's hardly anyone on RS5 Beta anymore.

Now, while we wait for servers to possibly be back, enjoy your Friday with a beer or two, unless you're 13 in which case I suggest you don't.

Anyhow, what's the estimated time of return of the servers?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 29, 2013, 05:20:39 pm
So SA-MP is going to be an incomplete, bugged version? Will everything be saved on this new server or what?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Axison on November 29, 2013, 05:21:55 pm
Glad to hear!
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Void on November 29, 2013, 05:30:36 pm
As for our other servers, business will resume, however there may be minor side effects of the downtime that we hope will be removed in short time.

Watch this board for information about the progress.
Good to hear some news. Thank you for the update, Gandalf.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Slavik on November 29, 2013, 05:34:37 pm
Enjoy your Friday with a beer or two.

So going to do that  :D


Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Bundy on November 29, 2013, 05:48:21 pm
Don't consume alcoholic beverages, it's unhealthy and haram.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on November 29, 2013, 05:51:03 pm
I hope the money and cars will be saved.. Atlest till the full full RS5 is ready..
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Kostas on November 29, 2013, 05:57:08 pm
This is the best thing I have heard till now.
But.
Quote
When we bring SA:MP up, it will be on a RS5 server. It will be a sunrise period, meaning that you can expect some bugs and frequently needed updates. However that shows the active work of the scirpting team that has been mostly hidden this year.

Mind defining the word "some" ? I remember at the first days of the beta server when the bugged parts were by far more than the actual working ones. The thing is that if there are some bugs and probably unable us from some tasks it is okay . But when that server opens will people be abled to have fun on it or not? Because if not , this is not a very good move from yourside .
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Sam.. on November 29, 2013, 06:08:32 pm
Some times life is complicated. But when you get lemons, make lemonade.
Due to unforseen circumstances we are experiencing downtime, as thsoe of who who actually attempt to go in game might have noticed.
For those who only frequent the forum: we are experiencing some downtime.  :D

Now for what caused it and why all scripters and server leaders are running around is something that we will not tire you with. Just be assured that anyone who claims it as a hack or attack is lying though their teeth and should not be taken seriously on any word they say, present past or future.

The downtime has had an effect that we have had time to sit together and discuss the current situation on SA:MP. And the result is that rather than keep players suspended in between not knowing what to do in RS4 as anything acquired will be lost and being unsure about RS5 we will do what we planned before the beta release.
When we bring SA:MP up, it will be on a RS5 server. It will be a sunrise period, meaning that you can expect some bugs and frequently needed updates. However that shows the active work of the scirpting team that has been mostly hidden this year.
The sunrise period means you have time to learn how to use and abuse the script, and the HQ will watch you like a hawk. The abuses that need to be closed will be.

As for our other servers, business will resume, however there may be minor side effects of the downtime that we hope will be removed in short time.

Watch this board for information about the progress.

 :app: :app: Can you give a rough idea when will the server be opened back? i know it will be rs5
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Monty yate on November 29, 2013, 06:11:46 pm
Thanks for giving a such a great news..
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Ethan. on November 29, 2013, 06:15:45 pm
sheeeit
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: eymas on November 29, 2013, 06:16:21 pm
I will be patiently awaiting the return of our services, as well as the dawn of a new day upon RS5.
It's time to move on and so we shall.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: TiMoN on November 29, 2013, 06:21:31 pm
Some times life is complicated. But when you get lemons, make lemonade.
You been playing Portal 2 didn't you?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 29, 2013, 06:27:56 pm
Anyhow, what's the estimated time of return of the servers?
As soon as possible. The entire Argo HQ is working diligently to try and get everything back to where it needs to be. We are also looking into new methods to prevent future issues like this from happening again.

So SA-MP is going to be an incomplete, bugged version? Will everything be saved on this new server or what?
SA:MP RS5, as Gandalf mentioned, would take over from the start. Now whether that means a reset from the previous test server or not has not yet been released. To put it simply, SA:MP RS4.1 is gone from player accessibility. SA:MP RS5 will be the new server, bugs or not. Think of it as a public beta testing period, but without SA:MP RS4.1 to fall back on. The more people playing and reporting the bugs, the faster they get fixed, and the more fun people will have. This will also allow SA:MP's Developers to quickly get back to adding new features to make things even more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 29, 2013, 06:32:08 pm
Will everything be saved on this new server or what?
Can anyone ansver to this?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 29, 2013, 06:32:24 pm
Same shit different day with the weather here gandalf bro lol
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 29, 2013, 06:34:36 pm
Can anyone ansver to this?

Only Gandalf is in a position to answer that question.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 29, 2013, 06:39:55 pm
As soon as possible.
Hardly an estimation, is it? If there's no real answer, just say so, I realise that Argo HQ are not sitting around doing nothing and that they're working on bringing servers up.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: BojanS on November 29, 2013, 06:41:48 pm
It's nice to have info. I hope something will be better in IV too. :S
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 29, 2013, 06:57:28 pm
Can anyone ansver to this?
I gave you one. That is the closest that we know so far. The SA:MP Developers are still trying to figure out their situation, and the rest of the servers fall under what Gandalf mentioned in his first post. When they know, you'll know. ;)

Hardly an estimation, is it? If there's no real answer, just say so, I realise that Argo HQ are not sitting around doing nothing and that they're working on bringing servers up.
That is the only estimation we have right now. It is going to depend on a variety of factors, including how the scripts will react, how the hosting service will react, and how long it will take to set certain things up. It could be one hour, it could be one year. There is no way to tell yet. Decisions are also still being made.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Morais on November 29, 2013, 07:16:54 pm
New era.

Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 29, 2013, 07:20:29 pm
It could be one hour, it could be one year.
That's what not having an estimation means, thank you very much. Now, if you find out a proper estimation, please do tell. Cheers.


Now that I feel bad for baiting on that provocative statement, let's get back on the topic.

Is RS5 development continuing and will the release be with the bug reports taken care of + any other changes announced (ie return of PNS and such)?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 29, 2013, 07:24:49 pm
Is RS5 development continuing and will the release be with the bug reports taken care of + any other changes announced (ie return of PNS and such)?

It will be a sunrise period, meaning that you can expect some bugs and frequently needed updates. However that shows the active work of the scirpting team that has been mostly hidden this year.
The sunrise period means you have time to learn how to use and abuse the script, and the HQ will watch you like a hawk. The abuses that need to be closed will be.

In short for development, yes. It will just be happening in a much more "live" sense. The server is not done, however, so expect bugs.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 29, 2013, 07:29:57 pm
Which one of those parts answered which parts of my question(s)? Gandalf has not said whether or not development is continuing currently with the rest of the servers down. Nor has he confirmed whether or not current existing and reported bugs will be gone from the live release. Ser please, if you don't have the answer, don't answer.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 29, 2013, 07:40:48 pm
Which one of those parts answered which parts of my question(s)? Gandalf has not said whether or not development is continuing currently with the rest of the servers down. Nor has he confirmed whether or not current existing and reported bugs will be gone from the live release. Ser please, if you don't have the answer, don't answer.
You need to check the posts again. It says SA:MP's development will continue when the server is online, and bugs will be fixed as people report them. The rest of the servers have also been stated to be back online in due time as they fix their own issues.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Frank_Hawk on November 29, 2013, 07:41:42 pm
Thanks for the update especially for those who are not themselves without being AFK in-game. This is good news and is an opportunity for those who remain determined and hungry to make an impact/statement. This is also an opportunity for those ‘arm chair preachers’ of Argonath to actually come in-game and show why they are considered veterans of SA:MP. The next few weeks will be exciting as we all seek to write history in RS5.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Caesar. on November 29, 2013, 07:42:34 pm
I didn't understand this very well. So Gandalf is saying that when server(RS4.1 currently) back up it will be transformed to RS5 or? (just answer simple: yes or no :O)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on November 29, 2013, 07:44:24 pm
Can anyone ansver to this?

So SA-MP is going to be an incomplete, bugged version? Will everything be saved on this new server or what?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 29, 2013, 07:58:34 pm
I didn't understand this very well. So Gandalf is saying that when server(RS4.1 currently) back up it will be transformed to RS5 or? (just answer simple: yes or no :O)
He is saying that the SA:MP RS5 development server will become the new default SA:MP server. SA:MP RS4.1 is no more.


This has been answered several times now.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Frank_Hawk on November 29, 2013, 08:10:00 pm
Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khFf_yTTIQM
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Caesar. on November 29, 2013, 08:18:57 pm
He is saying that the SA:MP RS5 development server will become the new default SA:MP server. SA:MP RS4.1 is no more.
This has been answered several times now.
Okay, thanks for answer!
Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khFf_yTTIQM
Eww, RS4 will miss me!
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 29, 2013, 08:47:01 pm
Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khFf_yTTIQM
Ha, I haven't seen that in years! Nice find!
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: murdoxix on November 29, 2013, 09:19:57 pm
Wa... Cool news, but I didn't get if everything of the beta stage will be saved to the final version of RS5.


BTW... Release RS4.1 code :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 29, 2013, 09:27:26 pm
Wa... Cool news, but I didn't get if everything of the beta stage will be saved to the final version of RS5.
It was always said that beta stage information will not be saved, due to the fact that people bugged millions and were encouraged to do it if they wished to.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 29, 2013, 09:30:42 pm
BTW... Release RS4.1 code :D

Nice try.. but no.   :app:
 
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Petarda on November 29, 2013, 09:34:09 pm
Didn't read everything carefuly, but why are all servers down if you're having problems with SAMP?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KhornateMonkey on November 29, 2013, 09:34:52 pm
This is the best thing I have heard till now.
But.
Mind defining the word "some" ? I remember at the first days of the beta server when the bugged parts were by far more than the actual working ones. The thing is that if there are some bugs and probably unable us from some tasks it is okay . But when that server opens will people be abled to have fun on it or not? Because if not , this is not a very good move from yourside .

Let me define beta for you.

A beta test is a limited release of a product with a goal of finding bugs before the final release. Software testing is often referred to by the terms "alpha" and "beta."

Generally speaking, the alpha test is an internal test to find bugs, and the beta test is an external test. During the alpha phase, the product is opened up to employees of the company and, sometimes, friends and family(e.g admins, developers etc). During the beta phase, the product is opened up to a limited number of customers.

Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical.


http://webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm

Of course there are going to be bugs when the server is in beta.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 29, 2013, 09:36:48 pm
Didn't read everything carefuly, but why are all servers down if you're having problems with SAMP?

Due to unforseen circumstances we are experiencing downtime, as thsoe of who who actually attempt to go in game might have noticed.
For those who only frequent the forum: we are experiencing some downtime.  :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Ben. on November 29, 2013, 09:42:19 pm
Let me define beta for you.

A beta test is a limited release of a product with a goal of finding bugs before the final release. Software testing is often referred to by the terms "alpha" and "beta."

Generally speaking, the alpha test is an internal test to find bugs, and the beta test is an external test. During the alpha phase, the product is opened up to employees of the company and, sometimes, friends and family(e.g admins, developers etc). During the beta phase, the product is opened up to a limited number of customers.

Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical.


http://webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm

Of course there are going to be bugs when the server is in beta.
Taken from the ISTQB Foundation Syllabus - the exam I took about 2 weeks ago (37/40!!), which is considered a standard over Europe. The definitions can be found from the below Glossary:
http://www.istqb.org/downloads/finish/20/101.html

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KhornateMonkey on November 29, 2013, 09:43:35 pm
Taken from the ISTQB Foundation Syllabus - the exam I took about 2 weeks ago (37/40!!), which is considered a standard over Europe. The definitions can be found from the below Glossary:
http://www.istqb.org/downloads/finish/20/101.html

Enjoy!

I'm Northern, we don't even have electricity here, how do you expect me to read this?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Ben. on November 29, 2013, 09:45:27 pm
I'll find you an alphabet to get you started on reading, first!  :rage:
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Marcel on November 29, 2013, 09:48:48 pm
Awesome shit Gandalf, na zdrowie!
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Mihail Junkovich on November 29, 2013, 09:51:52 pm
Will GTA IV MP wait first for the SAMP to recover or are you working on them simultaneously?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Gandalf on November 29, 2013, 09:54:49 pm
At this time we have an estimate that the dedicated box is going to be back within 12 hours. Now this does not mean the servers them selves will be opened.
First of all we will need to finish preparations, then give the scripting teams access to their server areas to set up. Once they are ready testing, they will give the go-ahead of putting the server live.
For SA:MP it will be a little more complicated as we will give the administration team some instructions first.

However latest December 1 all services will be resumed.
The current RS5 is named sunrise period. It will be used to iron out all that needs to be done to go 'gold'.
And before anyone goes in to looking up what others mean by sunrise period, we do not care.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Huntsman on November 29, 2013, 10:05:00 pm
I support the forceful moving to RS5. The faster people get used to it, the faster they realise how awesome it is.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 12:39:43 am
Yes guys very good idea!!!! We are replacing and forcing players to play on the most popular server of this community on an unfinished version of what was planned!!!!!
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 30, 2013, 12:43:02 am
Yes guys very good idea!!!! We are replacing and forcing players to play on the most popular server of this community on an unfinished version of what was planned!!!!!
You are more than welcome to not play it if you don't want to. Nothing is being forced.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 12:44:33 am
Yes guys very good idea!!!! We are replacing and forcing players to play on the most popular server of this community on an unfinished version of what was planned!!!!!

You're welcome buddy, how about coming up with another worth while solution instead of running your mouth don't you think?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 12:46:10 am
You are more than welcome to not play it if you don't want to. Nothing is being forced.
And you can stop playing high school security guard, because you're quite annoying and nobody cares about your replies.

SugarD, I think we went through your trolling phase a year ago; I don't think we need to go down that road again...

You're welcome buddy, how about coming up with another worth while solution instead of running your mouth don't you think?
I think it was more than logical to get RS5 fully ready and provide a release date of the full version that we've been waiting for over a year now. We weren't informed about being forced to play an unfinished version.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: matheus_98 on November 30, 2013, 12:48:47 am
I support the forceful moving to RS5. The faster people get used to it, the faster they realise how awesome it is.


I totally agree with you
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Gandalf on November 30, 2013, 12:51:01 am

 We weren't informed about being forced to play an unfinished version.
We never force anyone to play. We give a server and scripts, you make the decision to play.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Julio. on November 30, 2013, 12:52:51 am
I support the forceful moving to RS5. The faster people get used to it, the faster they realise how awesome it is.

Totally agree
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 12:53:16 am
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We weren't informed about being forced to play an unfinished version.

Scroll up to the first post, you've been informed in advance. This isn't something we had planned, its something we've decided as our best solution with a set of unfortunate circumstances that were entirely out of Argonath's control.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 12:54:07 am
We never force anyone to play. We give a server and scripts, you make the decision to play.

Yes, and completely not give a shit about players' opinions. The same ones that were dedicated to your server for years.

Can't say I'm that surprised though.

Scroll up to the first post, you've been informed in advance.
Damn, we really got a smart ass here.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 12:56:45 am
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Damn, we really got a smart ass here.

I think you'll find the decision wasn't made that much prior to this post, so I would actually consider that better than you think. I'm sure you assume we've had this planned for days and we're just telling you guys now. However, that isn't the case. We're not happy about it either.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Cyril on November 30, 2013, 12:57:30 am
Always the same people moaning...
Ever thought about trying to come with a positive suggestion or feedback?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Axison on November 30, 2013, 12:59:12 am
This is just fantastic!

Every topic regarding RS5 is just filled with a bunch of people moaning and spitting out bullshit. Good one!
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Ben. on November 30, 2013, 12:59:55 am
Yes, and completely not give a shit about players' opinions. The same ones that were dedicated to your server for years.

Roughly translated as:
moan
moan
moan

RS5 was written following the community's ideas - I think its fair to say that we should be able to cope with a few bugs for a while...?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 01:08:10 am
It's not like no one expected anyone to moan about a change, there's always someone. Guess Antonio's our lucky draw this time.


Whatever issues caused this besides, this had to be done anyway - the beta server was getting NO traffic whatsoever, at best 2-3 players at one time once a week from what I've seen. How can you expect a finished version if everyone is waiting for a finished version instead of putting time into making sure it's finished? There was no way to test bugs requiring more than 1 person or stress related issues.

Truthfully, I'm happy for this if only that it means we can get a finished version MUCH faster. Best of luck in working your arse off on the bug reports, Scripters, you'll need it! <3
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on November 30, 2013, 01:16:58 am
Please stop trolling already.
I am not a troll. I may have crazy hair, but it looks nothing like these guys (http://www.seanpaune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Troll-dolls.jpg). :lol:


For the rest of you upset by the change, just remember that SA:MP RS4.1 cannot live on forever. You all complained about the lag, lack of updates, lack of implemented ideas, the design, etc., and yet when a new version was presented, you did nothing to play it. Now is the time for everyone to decide, because you cannot have it both ways. Either support the change, play, and have fun...or find something else to do with your time. We can only hope that your decision is the former...
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on November 30, 2013, 01:17:46 am
Topic cleaned. Warnings will be issued from now on for those who cannot conduct themselves with maturity and understand what went wrong here.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Andy. on November 30, 2013, 01:26:59 am
We could at least continue playing on RS4.1 untill RS5 is nearly bug free and is stablized. Not that I would know better than the scripters.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 01:30:09 am
We could at least continue playing on RS4.1 untill RS5 is nearly bug free and is stablized. Not that I would know better than the scripters.

As we stated there was an issue that occurred where we're unable to do that so easily.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Andy. on November 30, 2013, 01:34:58 am
As we stated there was an issue that occurred where we're unable to do that so easily.
I get that. Even though I dont know what the issue is, why not delay it afew months more and fix it. I mean the community has waited for about a year for RS5, surely afew more months wouldn't hurt :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Rusty on November 30, 2013, 01:39:11 am
Alot of player's would prefer RS4.1 to be kept up, but the data they lost is massive they don't have much of a choice to push for RS5 release.  It may be filled with minor bugs when it's live but it's up to the player's to help find and fix them so RS5 is patched up quicker.  Being unsupportive about the issue isn't helping anyone, these thing's happen and unfortunately it happened here.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Andy. on November 30, 2013, 01:41:42 am
Data loss? I thought this wasn't an attack
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: MikeSangelo on November 30, 2013, 01:43:38 am
Data loss? I thought this wasn't an attack

It wasn't.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 01:47:08 am
afew more months wouldn't hurt :rolleyes:
At the rate bugtesting was going, it'd be another year. How about instead of waiting that long we suffer whatever bugs there may be for MUCH less, and then have arguably fully fixed server ready and out?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 01:51:17 am
Data loss? I thought this wasn't an attack

You don't work with computers often do you? Attacks aren't the only way to loose data. We don't even have the specifics as to what the cause was just that it wasn't an attack.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Andy. on November 30, 2013, 02:00:22 am
Hmmm I see, Ted. Sure you're right I ain't no scripter. But this isn't the first time servers been down. And I don't recall there being 'MASSIVE' data loss, as Rusty claimed. Sorry if I'm wrong but as you said, I don't work with computers often :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Petarda on November 30, 2013, 02:02:39 am
I'm pretty sure that you're lying about data loss.

Just had to say that, I mean there was downtime that lasted for like 2-3 weeks, plenty of attacks and nothing was lost.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 02:04:29 am
Hmmm I see, Ted. Sure you're right I ain't no scripter. But this isn't the first time servers been down. And I don't recall there being 'MASSIVE' data loss, as Rusty claimed. Sorry if I'm wrong but as you said, I don't work with computers often :rolleyes:

We've had server outages for a lot longer with a lot less of an explanation for a longer period of time. We always recover.

Have no worries.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: MikeSangelo on November 30, 2013, 02:07:06 am
I find it shocking that people believe that the management just thought it would be just a fantastic idea to suddenly release RS5 full on. If you don't have the facts, don't speculate about what may or may not have happened.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 02:09:43 am
I'm pretty sure that you're lying about data loss.

Just had to say that, I mean there was downtime that lasted for like 2-3 weeks, plenty of attacks and nothing was lost.

This was no attack nor was it anything similar to an attack besides the servers being offline.

We don't make up stories for the players to hear just to entertain them, what Gandalf has stated is what has happened and what is happening.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Petarda on November 30, 2013, 02:14:16 am
This was no attack nor was it anything similar to an attack besides the servers being offline.

We don't make up stories for the players to hear just to entertain them, what Gandalf has stated is what has happened and what is happening.
I never said that it was an attack.

Tought that you'll say something like "all data is lost, so there will be restart in rs5" whatever.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: BojanS on November 30, 2013, 02:17:15 am
Only a message for People that work on this great servers, Thank You, and Good Luck! See you neighbours in Liberty City.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 02:17:49 am
"[..] there will be restart in rs5"
I thought Teddy saying that keeping current stats would ruin RS5's economy and Gandalf - directly or indirectly - supporting such statements said that already.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Andy. on November 30, 2013, 02:18:55 am
I find it shocking that people believe that the management just thought it would be just a fantastic idea to suddenly release RS5 full on. If you don't have the facts, don't speculate about what may or may not have happened.
Nobody claimed that the management thought it was a fantastic idea. Nobody is speculating anything. Funny how you just make stuff up spot on. People are just discussing if moving to RS5 straight away is the best option.

We've had server outages for a lot longer with a lot less of an explanation for a longer period of time. We always recover.

Have no worries.
As I said, I wouldnt know better than the scripters. I did not mean any disrespect.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: MikeSangelo on November 30, 2013, 02:23:00 am
Nobody claimed that the management thought it was a fantastic idea. Nobody is speculating anything. Funny how you just make stuff up spot on.
Was not referring to you, rather the one who was believing the words about data loss from Gandalf were a lie.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Julio. on November 30, 2013, 09:38:50 am
A script is never finished, those of you involved in development will already know that ;)   Small changes are always going LIVE.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 09:42:59 am
People should keep in mind that even RS4.1 was being touched up and fixed up until a few months ago from when it was released until now.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Kostas on November 30, 2013, 09:58:23 am

Of course there are going to be bugs when the server is in beta.

Okay then the question is the following.
Is the Beta Stage over?If yes, then we're more than cool :)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Huntsman on November 30, 2013, 10:43:13 am
Guys, you really are bunch of hypocrites. "OMG OMG I WANT RS5 FAST PLZ PLZ WAT DA FAK ARE DEVELOPER LAZY DO HA?"
*LE RS5 comes out*
"OMG OMG RS5 SUX STICK TO OLD SHITTY RS4 K K K BYE"

seriously, make up your freaking mind.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: DellStorm on November 30, 2013, 12:11:29 pm
Hi guys and girls,

I would like you to look at it from my perspective and clarify a few areas which I feel are important.

RS 4.1 had flaws, it may have been what players were used to but it was by no means perfect - Anyone remember the 1000+ House problem?

RS 5 is the new way forward. Yes it is a new ship in that you will have different beds, yes it will mean giving up positions and the possibility of carnage whilst people figure out where things are on this ship.

What they do not realise though is how people will be affected by the new ship. It's got a better motor (Engine), It's been designed from the ground up with a scripting team that hasn't forgotten about what players needs are.

RS 4.1 was going out of control with regards to management of the economy. RS 4.1 was also going out of control with regards to player security.

RS 5 addresses these issues and are wholesomely better at fixing the issues before they arise.

Antonio, I totally understand your point of view - It sucks that you spent 5 years on creating a nice bed and now have to give up. Remember that everyone else is in the same picture here. The issues that you are facing we are all facing. But lets think about this for one second - If we do not move forward now - Argonath SAMP will not grow into a better one which it will be.

It is this reason why so much has been put onto making sure all *core* values are catered for before the release of RS5 and that in order to maintain this its vital the move happens now.

Let me take you all aside for a second and speak about a forest which was one of the biggest forests in America (those clever people can tell us which one it is!).

In the winter it was fine, in the summer it was very hot. So hot that on some occasions the trees would get that dry that fires would erupt at any moment. Unfortunately its fate was sealed in that because the forest was so large and had become so dry it burst into flames.

Now what people realise is - what is lost was only 25% of the forest. But the new growth that was allowed to be, was more magnificent - however that was only noticed later.

If you can - direct your attention towards RS5 as it is the future.
Look at the problems that we currently face and see for yourself what needs to be done.

Everyone can help out here, if there's a problem that you feel needs to be sorted when RS5 is online, talk to someone about it - that way we can iron out any issues before the 'gold' stage.

Stand strong together because its those who make a difference right here and now in times of loss that will make the biggest advantage for themselves when everything else is strong.

I hope this message, although long, informs you about the prospects of the ship. I hope you all understand that the amount of effort given to insuring players are cared for is noticed, and that we are not making this for profit. These are real people, dedicated real time to help you enjoy Argonath.

Thanks for caring.

<3 Dell.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 12:21:56 pm
Thank you Dellstorm, but maybe you know. There wasnt any normal ansver to this - It will be like BETA or Fully(our things will stay on full RS5 or this will be full RS5)?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: DellStorm on November 30, 2013, 12:23:01 pm
I can only answer that when the server is online.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 12:24:52 pm
I can only answer that when the server is online.
And maybe you know how long this will take? days-week-Month?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: DellStorm on November 30, 2013, 12:28:57 pm
I cannot answer that question for two reasons:

1) I am not in control of the entire server and do not know the progress of it.
2) I am not able to give a definitive date because if I do - people will take it as gospel.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: harward. on November 30, 2013, 12:36:02 pm
hello dell will we get all property in rs5
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: harward. on November 30, 2013, 12:39:21 pm
hello dell will we get the all thing which we got in rs4
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: DellStorm on November 30, 2013, 12:41:05 pm
Hi Harward,

Like I said - Everyone will have their beds - only thing is the beds will be different.

Houses will be available in RS5.

You cannot transfer them.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: harward. on November 30, 2013, 12:43:09 pm
ok dell bro
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 12:54:47 pm
For those mourning loss of items and assets, if you do your part in helping others and yourselves with the transition into RS5 we may return the favour and assist you in getting setup once again.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Stivi on November 30, 2013, 01:35:16 pm
...if you do your part in helping others and yourselves with the transition into RS5 we may return the favour and assist you in getting setup once again.
What do you need help in ? :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 01:51:32 pm
I would imagine fixing the bugs that never got fixed because everyone ignored RS5 beta after a week of it's launch.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 02:10:29 pm
I would imagine fixing the bugs that never got fixed because everyone ignored RS5 beta after a week of it's launch.
After RS5 beta release, they repaired 20-30 bugs in day, and i think its alot.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 02:16:48 pm
I would imagine fixing the bugs that never got fixed because everyone ignored RS5 beta after a week of it's launch.
And you're forgetting that it wasn't an obligation for players to spend most of their time on the beta server to find bugs. Fixing bugs is a job for the scripters, not the players.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 02:25:15 pm
And you're forgetting that it wasn't an obligation for players to spend most of their time on the beta server to find bugs.
And yet you find it's your obligation to moan about players not spending time on the beta server, resulting it being unfinished?

Scripters can not and never will be able to spot all the bugs, that's why there's beta releases, so that the public can use the power of ignorance and numbers to spot the rest of the bugs they have not found. I think it was Teddy who said it, that there's a difference between a team of people who are acutely aware of how scripts are meant to work and meant to be used and horde of players doing things in a way that they should not be done. The fact that we did get those 20-30 reports proves it more than anything, and the fact that we got close to zero after people lost interest in RS5 Beta reinforces that with a platinum wall.

Unless you think that it means all the bugs are fixed, in which case, stop moaning.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 02:42:05 pm
And yet you find it's your obligation to moan about players not spending time on the beta server, resulting it being unfinished?

Scripters can not and never will be able to spot all the bugs, that's why there's beta releases, so that the public can use the power of ignorance and numbers to spot the rest of the bugs they have not found. I think it was Teddy who said it, that there's a difference between a team of people who are acutely aware of how scripts are meant to work and meant to be used and horde of players doing things in a way that they should not be done. The fact that we did get those 20-30 reports proves it more than anything, and the fact that we got close to zero after people lost interest in RS5 Beta reinforces that with a platinum wall.

Unless you think that it means all the bugs are fixed, in which case, stop moaning.
I'm moaning because I don't agree with your opinion? Why not think of another argument...

Actually, scripters are able to find bugs much more faster than players, because they're the ones who created the script and knows how it works. Players on the other hand don't have much knowledge of it.

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And yet you find it's your obligation to moan about players not spending time on the beta server, resulting it being unfinished?
I was never "moaning" about players being the reason RS5 is not finished.

Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Zaila on November 30, 2013, 02:44:14 pm
Fixing bugs is a job for the scripters, not the players.

Lets take the amount of bugs that was found during the first day. In those 24 hours, it would take us maybe 1 week to find the same amount of bugs. The more players there are just playing, the better as bugs will be found faster and we can fix them faster.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 02:47:22 pm
Lets take the amount of bugs that was found during the first day. In those 24 hours, it would take us maybe 1 week to find the same amount of bugs. The more players there are just playing, the better as bugs will be found faster and we can fix them faster.
Not even relevant to my statement.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 02:51:33 pm
No, you're moaning about "being forced" to play on an "unfinished server". Which is the result of lack of players on the beta. Which, I'm sure, you figured out by yourself, but just wanted to nag about the wording of that statement.

Scripters know that script A is supposed to do B and C. They tried doing D, E and F, maybe even G with that script, and found no problems. Now comes 50 players doing every letter of the alphabet you can think of, just to see what would happen or maybe for less sincere reasons if it's money related. Suddenly, turns out trying to do X, Y and Z is bugged.


If you're under belief that it's scripter's responsibility to do every single thing imaginable (and even unimaginable) with every single one of the scripts, even the tiniest and most simple ones, one by one, then you're seriously misguided.

Never has been nor ever will be scripter's job to make sure everything works in every way possible upon initial release. Otherwise they would still be bugtesting RS3.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 03:07:55 pm
No, you're moaning about "being forced" to play on an "unfinished server". Which is the result of lack of players on the beta. Which, I'm sure, you figured out by yourself, but just wanted to nag about the wording of that statement.
Please stop misguiding others. This was not the given reason for us having to play on an unfinished version.

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Scripters know that script A is supposed to do B and C. They tried doing D, E and F, maybe even G with that script, and found no problems. Now comes 50 players doing every letter of the alphabet you can think of, just to see what would happen or maybe for less sincere reasons if it's money related. Suddenly, turns out trying to do X, Y and Z is bugged.
And you're implying that every script has so many options? Unless you scripted it yourself and can explain everything to me, please don't present such examples...


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If you're under belief that it's scripter's responsibility to do every single thing imaginable (and even unimaginable) with every single one of the scripts, even the tiniest and most simple ones, one by one, then you're seriously misguided.
It's the truth actually. They took the job for a reason. No player logs in the server having to spam commands and find bugs, it's the player's choice.

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Never has been nor ever will be scripter's job to make sure everything works in every way possible upon initial release. Otherwise they would still be bugtesting RS3.
And you know this from experience? Quite funny, considering your join date is 21/02/2012. :|
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Petarda on November 30, 2013, 03:08:54 pm
Since when is moaning and arguing the same thing?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 03:22:01 pm
And you know this from experience? Quite funny, considering your join date is 21/02/2012. :|
The funny part is that you assume my experience in gaming community started when I joined Argonath. Due to being the only child for quite a while and being rather spoiled as far as technology goes, that statement is as incorrect as Petarda's assumption that any of this bickering has any impact whatsoever as to the future of RS4.1/RS5.

No, I'm not implying that /invent can be used in 20 different ways, but with the complexity of many scripts on RS5, it's not far from truth, specially considering that new SA:MP technology is being used, making full use of 0.3x features, which are more advanced than anything we had on RS4.1.

No one needs to spam any commands, that's the difference between mass beta and closed beta, with 100 players playing, each trying something different, it would take seconds to find 20 bugs.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 03:41:29 pm
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<Antonio's continued rant>

Actually Antonio, you said you don't know how its exactly suppose to work. That's actually a better thing. That means by not knowing chances are you're going to put in values that aren't suppose to be, or try to use it in a way not intended. That is precisely the expectation.

On top of this as Zaila mentioned it would have taken us months to find the volume of bugs located by players thus far on the open beta server. If we had as much effort on the first 24 hours from all the players, we would have all of the bugs fixed within a week and we can release the server and start talking about changes to suit. Rather just complaining about the choices we've had to made when you've done nothing productive.

Since when is moaning and arguing the same thing?

When your "arguments" lack constructive, or productive meaning which offer a solution of compromise.  (e.g all of your posts) Both parties in an argument (or more) go into an argument with attempts to leave with something accomplished.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: matheus_98 on November 30, 2013, 03:48:54 pm
Actually Antonio, you said you don't know how its exactly suppose to work. That's actually a better thing. That means by not knowing chances are you're going to put in values that aren't suppose to be, or try to use it in a way not intended. That is precisely the expectation.

On top of this as Zaila mentioned it would have taken us months to find the volume of bugs located by players thus far on the open beta server. If we had as much effort on the first 24 hours from all the players, we would have all of the bugs fixed within a week and we can release the server and start talking about changes to suit. Rather just complaining about the choices we've had to made when you've done nothing productive.

When your "arguments" lack constructive, or productive meaning which offer a solution of compromise.  (e.g all of your posts) Both parties in an argument (or more) go into an argument with attempts to leave with something accomplished.


Anyway , is there any date for the server get back ?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Caesar. on November 30, 2013, 04:20:26 pm
Anyway , is there any date for the server get back ?
Quote failed. Gandalf said we will wait approximately few days more until all services back online.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Gandalf on November 30, 2013, 04:50:59 pm
To Rusty: You might wish to read some topics a bit better.

To Antonio: as said nobody forces you to play on any version of any server. Also nobody forces you to help out the scripters and management in finding bugs and improving the server.

However if you do not wish to cooperate in improvements, do not be surpsied if people also do not wish to cooperate when you are asking for something.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 05:30:10 pm
To Rusty: You might wish to read some topics a bit better.

To Antonio: as said nobody forces you to play on any version of any server. Also nobody forces you to help out the scripters and management in finding bugs and improving the server.

However if you do not wish to cooperate in improvements, do not be surpsied if people also do not wish to cooperate when you are asking for something.
Maybe i can ask you this-Hows going with repairing our host?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 05:34:22 pm
Updates on the servers status will be given when there are updates to give to the community members, simple as that.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: ssaammee on November 30, 2013, 05:44:31 pm
This is just madness  :app:

We'll probably lose more players than we gain..
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 05:49:24 pm
Or maybe we'll gain more players who've long lost interest in RS4.1 and have something fresh. Besides, it's more fun after a fresh start.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Exterminator on November 30, 2013, 06:01:11 pm
This is just madness  :app:

We'll probably lose more players than we gain..

Just about every first in the history of the world was considered crazy. YouTube's updates are crazy, but i'm pretty sure you'd prefer today's YouTube to the one three years ago.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Emre on November 30, 2013, 06:03:37 pm
Don't consume alcoholic beverages, it's unhealthy and haram.
Because everything you do is so halal, right?


Guys should stay calm, as if there aren't enough topics to be bombarded with "omg less players" or any "omg <insert something>" moments...
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Bundy on November 30, 2013, 06:05:47 pm
Because everything you do is so halal, right?


Guys should stay calm, as if there aren't enough topics to be bombarded with "omg less players" or any "omg <insert something>" moments...
Yes, how about you?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Zorex116 on November 30, 2013, 06:10:54 pm
Or maybe we'll gain more players who've long lost interest in RS4.1 and have something fresh. Besides, it's more fun after a fresh start.

Agree
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: BojanS on November 30, 2013, 06:14:27 pm
Guys, it will be better. It's the same like we were ingame and walking. You see a car. You take that car.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 06:15:49 pm
Just about every first in the history of the world was considered crazy. YouTube's updates are crazy, but i'm pretty sure you'd prefer today's YouTube to the one three years ago.

A very good point. I'm still mad at YouTube's change to Google+ comments... but I'm sure I'll get over it as will everyone else. Happens everytime they make a change, same as Facebook. :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Zorex116 on November 30, 2013, 06:28:14 pm
A very good point. I'm still mad at YouTube's change to Google+ comments... but I'm sure I'll get over it as will everyone else. Happens everytime they make a change, same as Facebook. :D

What's wrong with Facebook? It's getting better for me, except group features in fb app on iOS.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Void on November 30, 2013, 06:32:57 pm
The dispiritedness and defeatism shown by some players here is disturbing. Being a part of this community for years/months/days, the lot of you already show some kind of faith in community and its values and all I see here is rampant arguments evolving around losing stats. Stats, for god sakes. It's not as if individuals like Antonio don't have the brain/experience and let's not forget possibility to gain them again, perhaps faster than others.

I believe that your "mission" as a player is to come by and see this new script. Have some fancy. Don't worry how many people will the SA:MP server lose or beat your head with uncertain calculations, just be sure to show up when the server is online. If a lot more people thought this way, there wouldn't be a "significant quantity impact". I strongly suggest an end to this defeatism because it's far from being "constructive" and helpful. For the betterment of the entire community. If you encounter on certain bugs, report them. It's rewarding to know you were a part of fixing and bettering something.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 06:34:48 pm
What's wrong with Facebook? It's getting better for me, except group features in fb app on iOS.

Hate the chat heads on the mobile app... gets in the way :P
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Zorex116 on November 30, 2013, 06:41:46 pm
Hate the chat heads on the mobile app... gets in the way :P
Useful for me since I like to watch youtube while chatting.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 07:02:42 pm
The Argonath nerves are now twitching, we want argonath!, we want argonath! ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 07:06:24 pm
The Argonath nerves are now twitching, we want argonath!, we want argonath! ;)
You have Argonath right here.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 07:08:20 pm
Hmm i guess, but i want too play with you argonathians :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 07:10:58 pm
Useful for me since I like to watch youtube while chatting.


hmm good point. It can be useful sometimes, but an annoyance others like when trying to read something or playing Sonic Dash :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KeiraDrake on November 30, 2013, 07:34:53 pm
  How so many things change in only 30 days. Went inactive after my re-delivery of GTA V, came back to see SA:MP finally changing for the best. Yes players may vanish, but a Bug Free RS5 will Guarantee (Forgive any Mis-spelling of that) New Players who are looking to advance their RP Experiences. Been here for a little less than a Year, and I have been waiting for this change for at least 50% of that time.

  I gained my Assets that I wanted, and then I begun going on a spree leading to me Constantly changing these Assets. Now I wish to start from the Bottom, and make My way up again. If you did in the RS4.1, then I Pretty damn sure you can repeat it by changing your strategies and patterns.

  I mean don't get me wrong, Motivation may take a while, consider some command lines have been added, and some (MAY) have been altered, but Like RS4.1, I found all the vital ones and adapted my experience centred around these things. I sure that when you go into the fresh new world, if you request help from our beloved Scripting Team and maybe Managers/Admins/Moderators with knowledge of RS5, they will provide it. So just get used to this change, and maybe you will get used to it in no time.

  As for the whining I have been seeing Antonio, over the last few days, it has to to stop (Not trying to indicate any power over this)... It is just Futile. This change is going to happen, you have nothing to say that is going to change that. As Gandalf said, this Community DOES NOT enforce its players to continue their "Career" within this world. Yes you may have some of the most expensive Assets, Yes your Family may be running majority of the Firearm sales (This point being the least relevant), but this just gives you and everyone else a challenge to reobtain them all.

Main Point... I'm looking forward to this
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 07:43:47 pm
I really don't want to have to tell some certain individuals to kindly fuck off for mentioning my name over and over.

You're free to do it with no attempt of ass-licking.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 07:47:48 pm
Antonio I will be the new Firearms dealer in RS5
Los Zetas Takeover.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 07:57:05 pm
The weapon market died before you even joined the server. :/
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 08:00:44 pm
I really don't want to have to tell some certain individuals to kindly f**k off for mentioning my name over and over.
These are still public forums, if you involve yourself in a controversial topic with a highly aggressive position over one side of it, then you can expect your name to come up now and then, Antonio.

If these conditions are disagreeable with you, you always have the option of keeping a low profile in such topics.


Moan-of-the-Year award winning posts do not count as keeping a low profile.

Just friendly advice here, cheers.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:01:25 pm
I wont fall for your lies puppet, Los Zetas will control all weapons and drugs in RS5,
Z
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 08:04:45 pm
These are still public forums, if you involve yourself in a controversial topic with a highly aggressive position over one side of it, then you can expect your name to come up now and then, Antonio.

If these conditions are disagreeable with you, you always have the option of keeping a low profile in such topics.


Moan-of-the-Year award winning posts do not count as keeping a low profile.

Just friendly advice here, cheers.
You were one of the candidates for my post.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 08:10:03 pm
You were one of the candidates for my post.
But I only mentioned your name once, if we ignore the previous post?

Anyway, as there are no real consequences of you telling me to kindly f**k off, I'm not worried too much. Instead, I'm still overly pleased over the news of RS5 moving over to Extra-Open Beta.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:11:20 pm
I really don't want to have to tell some certain individuals to kindly f**k off for mentioning my name over and over.

You're free to do it with no attempt of ass-licking.

If your gonna publish the criticism be ready for the feedback to your own statements. This involves the mentioning of your name. Don't like it, don't talk.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on November 30, 2013, 08:12:56 pm
Exception for you, you don't need to thank me.

If your gonna publish the criticism be ready for the feedback to your own statements. This involves the mentioning of your name. Don't like it, don't talk.
You too.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:13:59 pm
Sounds like this Antonio is a handfull, time too knock him off the crime ladder, back too the bottom of the pyramid you go ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Huntsman on November 30, 2013, 08:15:44 pm
But I only mentioned your name once, if we ignore the previous post?

Anyway, as there are no real consequences of you telling me to kindly f**k off, I'm not worried too much. Instead, I'm still overly pleased over the news of RS5 moving over to Extra-Open Beta.

The only people that I see complaining here are the greedy leaders of the main criminal groups which are afraid that newer mafias and gangs might actually take their positions over since everyone begins from zero now, the fight should be fair.

Sounds like this Antonio is a handfull, time too knock him off the crime ladder, back too the bottom of the pyramid you go ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 08:16:05 pm
And crack addiction is at an all time high these days within Argonath.  :app:
Lay off the drugs people.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:18:02 pm
Exception for you, you don't need to thank me.
You too.

I'm more than open to people using my name. Go for it. I don't get all cry baby over it.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:19:00 pm
I recon Antonio is a made up name, his real name is bob, doesnt look too good as a boss name, bob the don ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:20:16 pm
I recon Antonio is a made up name, his real name is bob, doesnt look too good as a boss name, bob the don ;)

is your real name supermotard420? ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:21:59 pm
No it's kyle, that's my point;), show me some ID and ill believe it's your name anthony
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KeiraDrake on November 30, 2013, 08:23:11 pm
I really don't want to have to tell some certain individuals to kindly f**k off for mentioning my name over and over.

You're free to do it with no attempt of ass-licking.

Wow, you sound like the Youngsters I hear on XBOX Live, the conatant remarks to try and big themselves up, No offence (And remove if it isn't wanted), But it just makes you look as pathetic as you are acting.

Sounds like this Antonio is a handfull, time too knock him off the crime ladder, back too the bottom of the pyramid you go ;)

How about a decrease in the provocation? Just isn't needed.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:24:42 pm
No it's kyle, that's my point;), show me some ID and ill believe it's your name anthony

Exactly most people don't use their real name, nor has he ever implied his real name is Antonio. We all assume each others names as aliases for the game. ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:25:40 pm
Getting butt-hurt over his imaginary name haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Stivi on November 30, 2013, 08:27:07 pm
I recon Antonio is a made up name, his real name is bob, doesnt look too good as a boss name, bob the don ;)
because you know everyone within a period of one month ? (Y)
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/kill plz
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 08:27:23 pm
No it's kyle, that's my point;), show me some ID and ill believe it's your name anthony
Why are you posting here anyway? its not your problem so back off. And no need to post reply each topic.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:28:41 pm
Getting butt-hurt over his imaginary name haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-25367-give-that-man-a-cookie-meme-Pu-7nU9.jpeg)

Why are you posting here anyway? its not your problem so back off. And no need to post reply each topic.

We are a community, a problem for one is a problem for all.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Phil on November 30, 2013, 08:30:13 pm
Lay off the drugs people.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:30:56 pm
He is my enemy, I will be the new crime-lord dont you worry about that.
Phil you can never get enough weed, lay off the crack though :D  :weed:
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 08:31:08 pm
Getting butt-hurt over his imaginary name haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
because you know everyone within a period of one month ? (Y)
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/kill plz
We are a community, a problem for one is a problem for all.
So you will ban-out supermotoarda352135616y ??? (THANK GOD)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:33:05 pm
squeez you've had 267 posts since 2011, you back off this is my scene ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 08:33:28 pm
So you will ban-out supermotoarda352135616y ??? (THANK GOD)
What do you have against supermotard420? Sure, his way of getting his point across is not the nicest one, but I can't say I disagree with what he says.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:33:31 pm
So you will ban-out supermotoarda352135616y ??? (THANK GOD)

This is a public topic on a public forum.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=83057.0

Nobody will be banned out of this discussion specifically.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KeiraDrake on November 30, 2013, 08:33:55 pm
"Lay off the drugs people." - Devin > Phil ... B-B-But I haven't even touched a scent of Caffeine today, so I haven't touched any drug -_- :P
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Cyril on November 30, 2013, 08:34:45 pm
supermotard future leader of the biggest mafia :bananarock:
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:36:52 pm
Yes!, it will be a spectacle, I will have full control over the currency and will have a strong armed mob, This is the beginning of the end for Anthony Gardener
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Bundy on November 30, 2013, 08:38:27 pm
Why is everybody going off topic? I thought this topic was about thunder and lightning...
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 08:38:42 pm
Sun is bright and we are here to gain some posts, seems its allowed by managers.

Why is everybody going off topic? I thought this topic was about thunder and lightning...
Because managers and moderators allowing it :) Lets try it bundy
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:39:56 pm
I'm baffled as too how bad this thunder and lightening was too shut down the servers, get that weather every week here in the UK with no downtime? :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Jaka_Lah on November 30, 2013, 08:41:05 pm
I remember the RS3 beta and nobody went this crazy, I mean come on it's only thunder and lightning, wait for the meteor showers.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:41:51 pm
Why is everybody going off topic? I thought this topic was about thunder and lightning...

Soorey. let me bring us back on topic.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Thunderstorm_in_sydney_2000x1500.png)

On a serious note based on the backlash from the community against those who think they speak for the community, I'd say we've about settled that dispute chat.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 08:42:10 pm
I'm baffled as too how bad this thunder and lightening was too shut down the servers, get that weather every week here in the UK with no downtime? :D
Yes and sun is bright, and you are cool.

Do you feel what i feel
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 08:43:49 pm
On a serious note based on the backlash from the community against those who think they speak for the community, I'd say we've about settled that dispute chat.
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8268/2lnv.jpg)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:45:12 pm
squeez you was trying too fob me off just then, please don't be lovey bubby now lol,
Sipping on a vile fosters me ha
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 08:46:31 pm
squeez you was trying too fob me off just then, please don't be lovey bubby now lol,
Sipping on a vile fosters me ha
Amazing, youre best. great idea.

... And cars will blow up and we will keel cops and am the best ... just /kill
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Caesar. on November 30, 2013, 08:47:54 pm
Will you all stop discussing? back on topik pls

Off-topic: gandalf irl :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIQXUgHm4c8
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 08:52:12 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/zmnzpw.png)
haaa smegel sperm
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Stivi on November 30, 2013, 08:55:32 pm
A wonderful on-topic discussion. Wonder where "Everyone is equal" goes when it's about devs and managers.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 08:56:30 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/zmnzpw.png)
haaa smegel sperm
Yes and you are the sexiest GAY ever. give us next text supermotor3612635
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on November 30, 2013, 08:56:53 pm
A wonderful on-topic discussion. Wonder where "Everyone is equal" goes when it's about devs and managers.
The RS5 was defended just as equally as it was being badmouthed.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 08:57:26 pm
A wonderful on-topic discussion. Wonder where "Everyone is equal" goes when it's about devs and managers.

 We've actually been fairly on topic with this, its not that off topic if you actually read it. ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Squeez on November 30, 2013, 08:58:17 pm
A wonderful on-topic discussion. Wonder where "Everyone is equal" goes when it's about devs and managers.
Last 2-3 pages

Our directors managers, they are giving us this job.
Posts-Money ll This topic-Job

We are just working here for posts. And supermotorhead is '' BEST WORKER IN 2013''
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 09:00:27 pm
Last 2-3 pages

Our directors managers, they are giving us this job.
Posts-Money ll This topic-Job

We are just working here for posts.

Actually, we've been joining the community standing up against those thinking their are the almighty gods of this community because they've been here longer than a few others.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Stivi on November 30, 2013, 09:02:05 pm
We've actually been fairly on topic with this, its not that off topic if you actually read it. ;)
Rl names is not about havign no RS4.1 anymore.

Or, this:
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-25367-give-that-man-a-cookie-meme-Pu-7nU9.jpeg)

or:

supermotard future leader of the biggest mafia :bananarock:
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 09:06:36 pm
Rl names is not about havign no RS4.1 anymore.

Or, this:
or:


Why don't you let the moderators handle it and you worry about something else. There is nothing wrong with this topic, sometimes the topic goes from one to another in transitions. We've been on the same point about RS5 taking over RS4 just some people opening their mouth with what they think is the truth and nothing else is valid. In such case we, including other community members stood up against them. Some actions may not have been very conventional, but, sometimes people need a taste of their own medicine.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 09:07:48 pm
Squeez you're either with us or against us, make the right decision.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Stivi on November 30, 2013, 09:09:19 pm
Why don't you let the moderators handle it and you worry about something else. There is nothing wrong with this topic, sometimes the topic goes from one to another in transitions. We've been on the same point about RS5 taking over RS4 just some people opening their mouth with what they think is the truth and nothing else is valid. In such case we, including other community members stood up against them. Some actions may not have been very conventional, but, sometimes people need a taste of their own medicine.
Yes, but still, this is way off-topic:

supermotard future leader of the biggest mafia :bananarock:
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Cyril on November 30, 2013, 09:11:00 pm
Yes, but still, this is way off-topic:


What are you waiting to use the "Report to moderator" function then?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Stivi on November 30, 2013, 09:14:30 pm
What are you waiting to use the "Report to moderator" function then?
not even going to bother explaining you... But, I have done that already.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Monty yate on November 30, 2013, 09:16:33 pm
Is there any fixed date ,when Rs5 is officially gonna release ?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 09:18:19 pm
Community members should not throw feces around if they don't like administration members returning it every so often.
Realize that sometimes people will return the favour of nonsense posts.



Is there any fixed date ,when Rs5 is officially gonna release ?

RS5 will come online when it is ready, that's all there is to say in a simple response.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Nexus_Riggs on November 30, 2013, 09:20:11 pm
Hopefully this transition becomes a success, time to say goodbye to RS4 and move on from this point. What other best ways to start off Christmas 2013? :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KeiraDrake on November 30, 2013, 09:21:00 pm
Top Tips:

- Stop Asking.

- Patience.

- Just keep Watching the Server List

- Await Gandalf's comment

I am pretty damn sure that we will not be left in the dark. Now Will people stop asking the damn question... it is like listening (In this case, reading) to the UK Radio Station, Kiss FM.... It just repeats itself, and it gets boring
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 09:23:53 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen RS5 is now up on the main world.argonathrpg.eu:7777. The faster you help us get it as bug free as we can the faster we can all get this fully running and stable for a release version.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 09:24:38 pm
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
Time too start developing my family, Zetas Takeover.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 09:26:05 pm
If you're having problems try using the direct IP (95.141.37.186:7777)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Jaka_Lah on November 30, 2013, 09:47:29 pm
If you're having problems try using the direct IP (95.141.37.186:7777)
So do I need to invent a time machine to play RS4?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on November 30, 2013, 09:49:42 pm
Correct, maybe the DeLorean would help you.

When we bring SA:MP up, it will be on a RS5 server.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on November 30, 2013, 09:52:38 pm
My computers too advanced for rs5, wheres my beloved IV server ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Huntsman on November 30, 2013, 10:08:43 pm
Wow, you sound like the Youngsters I hear on XBOX Live

This has to be the best insult of all time.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on November 30, 2013, 10:12:48 pm
Is the server up? Im unable to checks...
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on November 30, 2013, 10:16:08 pm
Is the server up? Im unable to checks...

It has crashed, we are working on finding the cause and correcting it.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Zaila on November 30, 2013, 10:29:12 pm
RS5 server is back up.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: EliteTerm on November 30, 2013, 10:55:48 pm
Topic name reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEzXFuYN89k


Guys, whether you like it or not.. we need to move on and adapt to the changes (SA:MP) and we must help ourselves and others by contributing instead of causing arguments & bickering, or we won't be able to progress.

Grow a pair and either contribute or stay by the sidelines and stop stepping on our toes.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: murdoxix on November 30, 2013, 11:08:37 pm
I wont fall for your lies puppet, Los Zetas will control all weapons and drugs in RS5,
Z
First family to run over by FBI in RS5: Los Zetas.



Exactly most people don't use their real name.
I do :D
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Leon. on December 01, 2013, 02:54:34 am
Antonio, I totally understand your point of view - It sucks that you spent 5 years on creating a nice bed and now have to give up. Remember that everyone else is in the same picture here. The issues that you are facing we are all facing. But lets think about this for one second - If we do not move forward now - Argonath SAMP will not grow into a better one which it will be.
Yet again, DellStorm shows how one should conduct themselves properly when presented with a statement that they do not necessarily agree with, rather than just dismissing him as a moaner and believing that the label "moaner" automatically nullifies any points or views of theirs.

Also, lol @ the "ur not """"""forced""""""" to play,,,,,,,, dun like it,,, den leave argonath" 'logic' going on here... you're telling me they're just going to leave a community they formed strong friendships and spent some of their most troubled years in? Pff.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on December 01, 2013, 03:26:45 am
you're telling me they're just going to leave a community they formed strong friendships and spent some of their most troubled years in?
If they can't get over the change from RS4.1 to RS5 and value their assets more than the friendship, sure. In that case, you should be more than happy to be rid of these people, as they clearly need to re-evaluate what's important.

However, if they can realise that Argonath is more than scripts and numbers and players are more than just tools to make more money, then well done, Argonath will be better with them. No one wants to make people leave, it's always their choice, it just comes down to their priorities.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on December 01, 2013, 06:12:39 am
6/10
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Jaka_Lah on December 01, 2013, 08:16:10 am
6/10
bribed.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pagon on December 01, 2013, 09:55:26 am
I feel that the backlash that RS5 has caused goes a little like this;

Player A doesn't like some new features in RS5
Player A complains about it in the forums
Admin B tries to explain how the new feature is better than the old one
Player A still wants to use the RS4 version
Admin B tells that if you don't like it, leave

I think the problem here is that player A isn't given any other options other than "deal with it", and that's why he/she is upset. But when you really think about it the developement team can't do anything about that.

Also when the developement team has to keep every single little detail about RS5 as a secret, that really doesn't help the acceptance of RS5.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Jaka_Lah on December 01, 2013, 10:14:00 am
Wrong topic for this theme.
This is a topic posted in News and Announcments in the Argonath RPG comunity forum meaning that it's about all of the servers, besides that he has the right to ask anything he wants to in a PUBLIC discussion, as Sauron stated not so long ago "once a topic is made everyone and anyone is allowed to express his own opinion, in a respectfull and non provoking manner" and besides the point, why are you trying to argue with him, don't like him; ignore him.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on December 01, 2013, 12:22:44 pm
It seems many of you have forgotten some important information. Let me just link you to it:

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=86639.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=83057.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=38482.0
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?title=Argonath_Rules
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Gandalf on December 01, 2013, 01:22:11 pm
As we are bringing back things lets give full information on hwy we made the decisions we did.
Tuesday morning we made a rather shocking discovery. Due to a misunderstanding the data center had closed out the Argonath game server. In the communication that followed it was found an even worse thing, The data had already been formatted.
This was especially bad because the backup we usually have in multiple place had been temporarily concentrated on exactly that server.
As a result 4 months of data had been wiped out, for all servers and including some of my programming work.

With this loss, we have put it to the leaders of each server how to proceed. For most servers, the data will be reconstructed as good as possible. But for SA:MP we found that it posed many problems.
Not only would it disadvantage a lot of people if 4 months of data were removed, it also brings the issue that players might not be interested to rebuild just to lose it again when RS5 is near. There for it was decided to speed up the RS5 arrival and fix bugs while we are running.

Rather than looking at it negative, we have to learn and move forward.
First thing learned is never to have one place for recent backups. Second  understand that mistakes of others can be more costly as your own.

One more positive: we got a better deal out of it that makes up in the long run.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: supermotard420 on December 01, 2013, 01:23:53 pm
Put IV server back up gandalf my bro ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pagon on December 01, 2013, 01:32:22 pm
As we are bringing back things lets give full information on hwy we made the decisions we did.
Tuesday morning we made a rather shocking discovery. Due to a misunderstanding the data center had closed out the Argonath game server. In the communication that followed it was found an even worse thing, The data had already been formatted.
This was especially bad because the backup we usually have in multiple place had been temporarily concentrated on exactly that server.
As a result 4 months of data had been wiped out, for all servers and including some of my programming work.

With this loss, we have put it to the leaders of each server how to proceed. For most servers, the data will be reconstructed as good as possible. But for SA:MP we found that it posed many problems.
Not only would it disadvantage a lot of people if 4 months of data were removed, it also brings the issue that players might not be interested to rebuild just to lose it again when RS5 is near. There for it was decided to speed up the RS5 arrival and fix bugs while we are running.

Rather than looking at it negative, we have to learn and move forward.
First thing learned is never to have one place for recent backups. Second  understand that mistakes of others can be more costly as your own.

One more positive: we got a better deal out of it that makes up in the long run.

Wow, that is horrible. Does that mean that everything that happened in RS4 in the past 4 months has been wiped? Damn, thats a shitty ass occurance.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Stivi on December 01, 2013, 01:36:24 pm
Put IV server back up gandalf my bro ;)
Read below:


As a result 4 months of data had been wiped out, for all servers and including some of my programming work.

With this loss, we have put it to the leaders of each server how to proceed. For most servers, the data will be reconstructed as good as possible.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Hady. on December 01, 2013, 02:44:36 pm
The server crashed again ?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Gandalf on December 01, 2013, 03:02:41 pm
Put IV server back up gandalf my bro ;)
As soon as I get the go-ahead from the IV team
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Zaila on December 01, 2013, 03:05:15 pm
Wow, that is horrible. Does that mean that everything that happened in RS4 in the past 4 months has been wiped? Damn, thats a shitty ass occurance.

Yes, that is why we decided to get RS5 out as fast as possible and to have it on the main IP and port.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Gandalf on December 01, 2013, 03:15:48 pm
Further, we have noticed that a number of people seem to think it is ok to flame one server and invite to another. Even if it is within Argonath, you may find yourself banned from both if you continue.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KelviNC on December 01, 2013, 03:37:54 pm
Hello Gandalf, I have a question regarding RS4. Will RS4 will soon re-open or we just have to play RS5 now?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Cyril on December 01, 2013, 03:39:31 pm
Hello Gandalf, I have a question regarding RS4. Will RS4 will soon re-open or we just have to play RS5 now?

It's only RS5 now. RS4 era is over.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: KelviNC on December 01, 2013, 03:48:02 pm
Thank you sir. I have one more question regarding SAPD. What is the way of SAPD in RS5?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Axison on December 01, 2013, 04:05:12 pm
Thank you sir. I have one more question regarding SAPD. What is the way of SAPD in RS5?
You join SAPD as soon as you pass the police test(in-game), ARPD is over.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Rusty on December 01, 2013, 04:16:07 pm
Thank you sir. I have one more question regarding SAPD. What is the way of SAPD in RS5?

Anyone can sit the in-game test if they pass they will become a SAPD Officer, the only noticeable changes to this is - No more "freecops", all cops names will be the same dark blue color and every cop will fall under SAPD regulations and procedures(?).  If people wish to rank up in SAPD they WILL have to take a interview and hope for the best from there.  Some asked why they don't get SMG now they are a SAPD Officer, well neither does anyone else this may change and be limited to Senior Officers though that's still to be decided and if even possible.  Same with the /siren ability I don't know what's planned for that but I do hope it's restricted to a certain rank as-well.

SAPD hope to release more information on changes within the department soon, so keep an eye on the ARPD Forum meanwhile.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on December 01, 2013, 08:24:43 pm
Sooo, The server is down again.. When will the stable server be online?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on December 01, 2013, 08:27:48 pm
Sooo, The server is down again.. When will the stable server be online?
The server is stable, the downtime is caused by script malfunction, which is the whole point of the beta. The more server crashes we get now, the less of them we'll be getting later.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Julio. on December 01, 2013, 08:29:51 pm
The server is stable, the downtime is caused by script malfunction, which is the whole point of the beta. The more server crashes we get now, the less of them we'll be getting later.

Its now up
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Mihail Junkovich on December 01, 2013, 08:30:02 pm
Anyone can sit the in-game test if they pass they will become a SAPD Officer, the only noticeable changes to this is - No more "freecops"/font]

You join SAPD as soon as you pass the police test(in-game), ARPD is over.

Wait what? You guys don't have freecops anymore? O.o

Is that to be expected on the IV MP or is it up to our leaders to decided?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on December 01, 2013, 08:30:54 pm
It's down now? Or i got wrong ip?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Ben. on December 01, 2013, 08:34:40 pm
Wait what? You guys don't have freecops anymore? O.o

To clarify...

1. We haven't had Freecops for a year or more now - the whole point of ARPD Officers was to try and remove the discrimination.
2. The change to SAPD Officers is not to limit RPing cops - the only difference is there is a small course in the script to do before you can start patrolling.
3. The ARPD is not over - Our beloved ARPD Commissioner is still ruling over the SAPD and FBI. The new SAPD Officers were renamed, pretty much, which stops any confusion about authority between ranks!

I hope this is useful...if I am wrong, someone please correct me  :gand:
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on December 01, 2013, 08:42:32 pm
Soo, can someone hare the IP?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on December 01, 2013, 08:46:02 pm
Yeah, found the ip... Can i get unban at it? I was trolling a bit in the start but i'm serious now.. Can you unban me? nick ig was Dominic.Toretto i think..
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Janar on December 01, 2013, 08:46:20 pm
Soo, can someone hare the IP?

Same IP as the main server has always had. It was posted some time ago as well, in that same topic.

Code: [Select]
HostName: Argonath RPG - RS5 Public Beta
Address:  samp.argonathrpg.com:7777

EDIT: You found it. Just enter the server and make new account.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on December 01, 2013, 08:48:25 pm
But im banned.. My whole IP is banned.. Doesn't RS5 Let players be unbanned?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Janar on December 01, 2013, 08:49:37 pm
But im banned.. My whole IP is banned.. Doesn't RS5 Let players be unbanned?
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=102367.0
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Afyea on December 01, 2013, 08:50:58 pm
But I got the ban on Beta stage.. I tought i will not have ban now... Please unban me.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Vitoo on December 01, 2013, 08:53:04 pm
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=102367.0
He was banned from the RS5 server when it was opened to public for the first time.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Janar on December 01, 2013, 08:53:42 pm
He was banned from the RS5 server when it was opened to public for the first time.
But I got the ban on Beta stage.. I tought i will not have ban now... Please unban me.

Simple - create unban request then.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Mihail Junkovich on December 01, 2013, 08:58:11 pm
To clarify...

1. We haven't had Freecops for a year or more now - the whole point of ARPD Officers was to try and remove the discrimination.
2. The change to SAPD Officers is not to limit RPing cops - the only difference is there is a small course in the script to do before you can start patrolling.
3. The ARPD is not over - Our beloved ARPD Commissioner is still ruling over the SAPD and FBI. The new SAPD Officers were renamed, pretty much, which stops any confusion about authority between ranks!

I hope this is useful...if I am wrong, someone please correct me  :gand:

Thanks for the clarification ^^
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Axison on December 01, 2013, 09:33:06 pm
From what I heard, they are not unbanning people who are banned in RS5 Open Beta
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Nexxt on December 01, 2013, 11:06:46 pm
Good news and great works guys! Shit happens and people need to accept this, if they do not appreciate it, well ... the door is always open.. to leave.

I understand some people might leave for their losses, but apparently these do not realize .. the new server they go to, they have to start with 'nothing' as well. And it includes losing your friends on Argonath too, as not everyone is definately going with you. So if you enjoyed Argonath, give RS5 a shot and try it - in the future you maybe like it more or you just need a few weeks to 'adapt' to this new way of Argonath.

Oh and one last rage to SugarD. If someone mentions Gandalf with a question, I think it's unneeded to speak for him even if you do not know where you're talking about. Your name is still SugarD on the forums last time I checked ... and oh, speaking about SA:MP leadership. There is no 'we' in that case, you only lead LU and this one Vice City server (VC:MP or MTA:VC, dunno). If a regular player does it, you'll personally warn him yourself ... I know it happens :)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Antonio. on December 01, 2013, 11:15:50 pm

Oh and one last rage to SugarD. If someone mentions Gandalf with a question, I think it's unneeded to speak for him even if you do not know where you're talking about. Your name is still SugarD on the forums last time I checked ... and oh, speaking about SA:MP leadership. There is no 'we' in that case, you only lead LU and this one Vice City server (VC:MP or MTA:VC, dunno). If a regular player does it, you'll personally warn him yourself ... I know it happens :)
/me gives a round of applause.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Vitoo on December 01, 2013, 11:29:09 pm
I think it's unneeded
I think this was unneeded as well.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Darxez on December 01, 2013, 11:33:33 pm
To clarify...

1. We haven't had Freecops for a year or more now - the whole point of ARPD Officers was to try and remove the discrimination.
2. The change to SAPD Officers is not to limit RPing cops - the only difference is there is a small course in the script to do before you can start patrolling.
3. The ARPD is not over - Our beloved ARPD Commissioner is still ruling over the SAPD and FBI. The new SAPD Officers were renamed, pretty much, which stops any confusion about authority between ranks!

I hope this is useful...if I am wrong, someone please correct me  :gand:

You pretty much resumed it.. If you want to get higher, you can make a interview to get further trained at the ARPD Website.

Should fix all questions
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Emre on December 02, 2013, 07:49:11 am
Oh and one last rage to SugarD. If someone mentions Gandalf with a question, I think it's unneeded to speak for him even if you do not know where you're talking about. Your name is still SugarD on the forums last time I checked ... and oh, speaking about SA:MP leadership. There is no 'we' in that case, you only lead LU and this one Vice City server (VC:MP or MTA:VC, dunno). If a regular player does it, you'll personally warn him yourself ... I know it happens :)
(http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=72257&d=1379923900)


So that means that RS5 open beta will be the sole SA:MP-wise server for the time being?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Devin on December 02, 2013, 08:48:13 am
Correct, RS5 has now replaced RS4 from here onwards.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Teddy on December 02, 2013, 07:58:09 pm
Regarding the stability of RS5;

We've been busy digging over crash logs, and various other logs and patching what we can. The chances of a crash should be far reduced now. We've narrowed down the cause to be a limitation or issue (if not intended) in the SA:MP server itself. Hopefully with this, we can focus more on those others bugs that'll improve the gameplay.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: ~Legend~ on December 04, 2013, 01:40:11 am
Sunrise periods. :)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: murdoxix on December 04, 2013, 07:14:36 am
Oh and one last rage to SugarD. If someone mentions Gandalf with a question, I think it's unneeded to speak for him even if you do not know where you're talking about. Your name is still SugarD on the forums last time I checked ... and oh, speaking about SA:MP leadership. There is no 'we' in that case, you only lead LU and this one Vice City server (VC:MP or MTA:VC, dunno). If a regular player does it, you'll personally warn him yourself ... I know it happens :)

/ me gives a round of applause.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Caltson on December 05, 2013, 12:36:08 am
Alright, that's the way!


I wish best of luck with the first 'full' release of RS5.0, it's a moment many have been looking for and despite bugs and bad things people may claim, every baby needs to grow up and so will RS5.0.. I know the White Shadows will be there to make sure the bugs are cleared and that the server will be even more fun than what RS4 brought us!

For those unsure about the future of RS5.0; complaining won't help. Instead I'd recommend to report all bugs you find and become part of the foundation of the stability. Know that this project has costed much time and dedication from many people, the least we could do, as a community, is respect and appreciate their work and help them out when it comes to bugs..


Sincerely,

Caltson
W.S. Clan Leadership
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pandalink on December 05, 2013, 02:50:19 am
A very good point. I'm still mad at YouTube's change to Google+ comments...
To be fair, the change to the new comment system is a genuine fuckup. It doesn't even work correctly and absolutely nobody likes it, so it's not that good an analogy for RS5.

What do you have against supermotard420? Sure, his way of getting his point across is not the nicest one, but I can't say I disagree with what he says.
I like how you genuinely don't see that he is trolling, and are actually agreeing with him.

You join SAPD as soon as you pass the police test(in-game), ARPD is over.
You know that the SAPD is (and always has been) in the ARPD right?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Axison on December 05, 2013, 03:15:26 am
You know that the SAPD is (and always has been) in the ARPD right?
I do know that
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pingster on December 05, 2013, 04:13:18 am
I like how you genuinely don't see that he is trolling, and are actually agreeing with him.
The irony.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Petarda on December 05, 2013, 01:27:09 pm
Why are you posting here anyway?
Do you really think that you're "popular" or something?
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Pandalink on December 05, 2013, 04:10:00 pm
The irony.
Well, there isn't any. Please explain where you see it.

This should be good.
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: SugarD on December 06, 2013, 04:00:07 pm
(http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=72257&d=1379923900)
I see you have been studying your FD medical handbook. Good work! ;)
Title: Re: Thunder and lightning
Post by: Vitoo on December 06, 2013, 05:57:32 pm
(http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=72257&d=1379923900)
Oh, I thought we should apply butter.
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