Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Jaka_Lah on December 24, 2013, 01:06:30 pm
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So in the past few months there have been about ten topics about this, I can't believe I'm making one, but this has to be stopped by someone, and as nobody gave a biased opinion I shall do so.
RS 4.1 was a community based script as the ideas for the script came strictly from the RS4 suggestion topic, we were listened to by the team, our voices were heard, I remember a man that went by the name of David_Omid, that guy was basically a legend, he looked through all of our stupid and useless but yet some times brilliant suggestions and told us if it will be implemented or not, the players knew how RS4 would be like, come RS5 closed beta test 3 years later and we know nothing. Why must it be so? It all worked so good, we the community knew what was going through the scripters heads at the time, here we are after hundreds of suggestion topics and I'm still searching for one that was implemented. RS5 was a secretly developed script for no reason at all as we the players could of gave you directions at the beginning, overwriting the script now just makes no sense.
Now let's go to the RS5 problems, if you think the bugs are the problem.. just no. What's the problem is where our freedom has been forgotten, when I first joined the server I understood it, I was 11 when I joined, I didn't even understand basic English but yet I knew how to play the damn game, it was simple, it took the GTA SA Single player and made a multiplayer out of it, a place where people would role play but also would have fun as the scripts let them do that, if it was ignoring some people because you wanted to avoid conflict with them to public chat where you can express your own opinion, it was a true light RP server with much to support it. Though RS4 changed a few things but the base was still there, yet the role play ceased to exist but you still found people that role played, it was a simple decision of what kind of friends you are trying to make. There were no scripts that would force us to role play, there was freedom of role playing, to express our imagination in a way that wasn't possible on other servers.
Yet here we are, 4 years later where we are grown up, some of us grew up playing on this server, if I look at it this way, the first time I joined the server would be 5 years ago which means a third of my life, here is where I studied and practiced my English, back then I had imagination, I could see that invisible wrench you're holding, I could see the imaginary chainsaws, but now here we are where the imagination is becoming smaller, where the developers themselves need to make scripts that boost our imagination and role playing. Yet it might seem sad, or it is just necessary, I mean looking at it from an outside perspective it makes total sense to close PnS shops and force people to go on mechanic duty on which they can role play but don't need to. And to make people spawn somewhere in Narnia, just to experience it, and role play there, make taxi jobs more useful, yes looking like that from outside is amazing. But people need to understand that only a portion of people come on SAMP to role play, people are here to have fun, to meet people, to fly around with Brajun and Ethan, we never had problem making friends even if we weren't forced to role play with each other, that is because we are on one server, we are a community, the people within it know each other, even though just barely if they met once, or saw each others post on the forum, they see one another, and if they like the other person they will role play, random encounters with people always start with role play, even if you don't make it a server rule to role play, even Sandi can tell you he never greeted a person with a weapon.
Devin told Ethan if he wants to fly around, why not join a stunt server, yes indeed that is a good point, why would you want to fly on a server where people would look in the sky and see your skill and want to fly in your plane and scream how much fun it is in the public chat. Yet your point states that this is a role play server where people shouldn't do stunts, but here I can see that people have been doing this since early 2008 and nobody ever had a problem with it, why can't we express ourselves on one server, why not unite people, why do you want to make them join other servers, why not script around the community instead of the server, if the community is the one who enjoys and plays your server day to day for the past years.
But here we are again as this script is made for the purpose of this community Argonath, Role-play gaming, it makes sense, as saddening as it is, this server more than 90% supports the Argo vision, yet if we don't like it as the leaders have said the doors are open, and people are migration towards other servers, yet some to other communities, which I beg you not to, nothing can beat Argonath.. but the script makes sense, it enforces role play but yet doesn't force it, it gives us freedom, yet not as much freedom as we used to have, but yet we have freedom, it gives us a Cops & Robbers element with the whole pick-pocketing, it gives us freedom but also gives us the tools to role play, which depending on your imagination is what some needed.
As far as it goes for role playing here nobody can say it's impossible as the biggest complain in RS4 was that nobody role plays, now here everyone cries how the scripters made it so you need to role play things, some times I want people to make up their mind but yet I'm here not knowing if support one or the other side. In RS3-4 people role played but than Argonath became mainstream and a lot of people joined who made families and groups who accepted everyone, not speaking about anyone in particular, at first this was frowned upon, hated, everyone wanted people like that to stop playing but nowadays everything is just meh, JDC always had the idea to RP everything and I have to yet see him complain about anything, because this is a perfect role play script, the first time I joined the server in beta I thought this was a joke, one of those free to download RP scripts but than I realized.. this is a RP script, this isn't meant for the argo freedom, that is why we have multiple servers, so people would play them, yet people didn't want to beta test the server because nobody liked it and RS4 mysteriously died, so people were going to either play RS5 and beta test it or play Stunt, and you could see a gigantic growth on Stunt, why you ask? because Stunt gives freedom to players, it is the game mode where you don't even need money, you can have jets to fly around, you can interact with people, but yet now people don't play it, why? because they love that element of role play. As this server is a role play server it needs it, so people can't say it's a bad script because of it's features, it is meant to promote role play but not force it, it's that perfect combination where it serves you role play on the plate and you're either gonna grab it or leave it, as everything can be still done without role play, but why would you want to? That is why you play the server, to have the freedom to do or not to do.
RS5 is already out, so I don't know why people make topics about how RS4 was better, it isn't coming back, it will be missed and it will be graced as the last time we had freedom.. well that is until people accept RS5 and stop crying about RS4, I hope this is the last topic that will be made of this, and I will speak on the behalf of the community here even though nobody gave me the power to but I want to thank the developers for what they've done, even though it could of been done better, and you could've listened to the community and actually done the things we wanted, you did this for free, for us. But yet I hope we can make changes to the RS5 script, but the thing is the scriptures haven't been straight forward with us yet, nobody told us to shut the fuck up with these topics, so yes, speak up, you asked questions but never gave answers, is this how the community should talk? by creating useless topics? I know all you want from us is this (http://i.imgur.com/VQ5GkX9.jpg) but for once just write your brains out, we're here to listen. We are a community and we should make it so everyone is happy.
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Opened the topic randomly, after reading ''RS4 vs RR5'' I closed.
Can't you guys fucking go over it? RS4 IS PAST, RS5 is future.
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Opened the topic randomly, after reading ''RS4 vs RR5'' I closed.
Can't you guys f**king go over it? RS4 IS PAST, RS5 is future.
Democracy is past, communism is the future.
see what i did there?
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Epic topic, thanks for writing all this on behalf of all players. God bless you
The sad part is, the topic will probably be closed by either samp managers or forum moderators.
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What people don't understand is that many things will be added/removed from RS5 in time. It's only the tip of the iceberg...
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Epic topic, thanks for writing all this on behalf of all players. God bless you
The sad part is, the topic will probably closed by either samp managers or forum moderators.
There are over 4 topics all many pages long, give me link to anyone that was closed for an invalid reason.
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There are over 4 topics all many pages long, give me link to anyone that was closed for an invalid reason.
Those that were closed would be down to not keeping it constructive, rather than plain bullshitting RS5. So no, we don't remove for invalid reasons. We have tight guidelines from Gandalf if we're going to remove a topic. So until you're apart of the forum moderation or any server management, don't say that.
This topic on the other hand has been wrote more constructively.
nobody told us to shut the f**k up with these topics, so yes, speak up, you asked questions but never gave answers, is this how the community should talk? by creating useless topics? I know all you want from us is this (http://i.imgur.com/VQ5GkX9.jpg) but for once just write your brains out, we're here to listen. We are a community and we should make it so everyone is happy.
Veterans like this guy should tell this more, compared to others. Respect to you.
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Jaka bet your wrists are hurting after that :D
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Those that were closed would be down to not keeping it constructive, rather than plain bullshitting RS5. So no, we don't remove for invalid reasons. We have tight guidelines from Gandalf if we're going to remove a topic. So until you're apart of the forum moderation or any server management, don't say that.
I hope that was directed towards Ethan.
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I hope that was directed towards Ethan.
Directly aimed at everyone who thinks the same.
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Too long didn't read. :rofl:
But thanks for you patience of writing so much. :app:
Here's one clap.
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This guy explained every feeling of any Argonaths player.
The people who don't agree are unfortunately the people with ranks here and those that want ranks ^^
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Democracy is past, communism is the future.
see what i did there?
Argonath never was democracy and it isn't supposed to be.
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Argonath never was democracy and it isn't supposed to be.
Nuclear energy was never meant to be used to harm human beings, we all know how that went.
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stopped reading almost instantly, nothing changed in the ideas section at all
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Too long didn't read. :rofl:
But thanks for you patience of writing so much. :app:
Here's one clap.
why are you even here
jaka, you got a point but this topic isn't gonna change shit :)
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Guys, we all know that, RS5 is a bit difficult agains't RS4 but, we have to accept it and start a new life.
Asking again and again for RS4, is annoying. Like, you make a new topic, requesting for RS4, the topic gets locked after 1 day.
The people who are requesting RS5 for your own mean, so according to me, why you only thinking about your selfs, think about others also.
If you think that, there are a lots of bugs, then report it to the forums, and it will be fixed soon.
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Either illiterate or can't understand a clear point.
I think I should be insulted by you trying to brainwash me.
Read. The. Whole. Topic.
I made this biased for a god damn reason, if you don't understand what biased means than.. I .. I need to stop reading from this forum some times.. god damn.
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Guys, we all know that, RS5 is a bit difficult agains't RS4 but, we have to accept it and start a new life.
Asking again and again for RS4, is annoying. Like, you make a new topic, requesting for RS4, the topic gets locked after 1 day.
The people who are requesting RS5 for your own mean, so according to me, why you only thinking about your selfs, think about others also.
If you think that, there are a lots of bugs, then report it to the forums, and it will be fixed soon.
You only read the title, not the entire topic, did you? Because what you just stated does not relate to the purpose of the topic.
OT: You are not very old but already wise, I loved reading this, Jaka.
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Bunch of dick sucking crap
You must have that answer already saved on a notepad file and you paste it on every topic that has the letters "RS" on it I presume.
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Get rekt.
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Guys, we all know that, RS5 is a bit difficult agains't RS4 but, we have to accept it and start a new life.
Asking again and again for RS4, is annoying. Like, you make a new topic, requesting for RS4, the topic gets locked after 1 day.
The people who are requesting RS5 for your own mean, so according to me, why you only thinking about your selfs, think about others also.
If you think that, there are a lots of bugs, then report it to the forums, and it will be fixed soon.
l, o, l, :dead:.
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This guy explained every feeling of any Argonaths player.
The people who don't agree are unfortunately the people with ranks here and those that want ranks ^^
Exactly.
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This guy explained every feeling of any Argonaths player.
The people who don't agree are unfortunately the people with ranks here and those that want ranks ^^
Don't even try come with these snide remarks to make this into an administration vs players topic.
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Guys, we all know that, RS5 is a bit difficult agains't RS4 but, we have to accept it and start a new life.
Asking again and again for RS4, is annoying. Like, you make a new topic, requesting for RS4, the topic gets locked after 1 day.
The people who are requesting RS5 for your own mean, so according to me, why you only thinking about your selfs, think about others also.
If you think that, there are a lots of bugs, then report it to the forums, and it will be fixed soon.
Getting, tired, of, those, too, much, commas.
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This guy explained every feeling of any Argonaths player.
The people who don't agree are unfortunately the people with ranks here and those that want ranks ^^
Well no not really. People who don't agree may not have or want a rank but simply make their own decisions and basically not be a sheep.
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Don't even try come with these snide remarks to make this into an administration vs players topic.
He didn't say anything regarding administration? Not everyone with "ranks" is administration.
Topic shows you thought this through and is very well written with valid points. Nice job.
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I know alot of people are frustrated, but hey! it's the beginning.
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Don't even try come with these snide remarks to make this into an administration vs players topic.
I'm sorry if my words weren't right
What i mean is that I agree with him completely, and only those hardcore argonath patriots, who'll love argonath no matter what happens, will agree with it.
Just trying to point out the intensity of how much people don't like the new scripts man :/
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Well Said. :app:
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This guy explained every feeling of any Argonaths player.
The people who don't agree are unfortunately the people with ranks here and those that want ranks ^^
Lolbullshit, you'll never unite every single player of Argonath under one banner, much less about something so controversial as RS4/RS5 is.
Anyway, sorry bro, didn't read, have read too many of the same story topics.
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Don't even try come with these snide remarks to make this into an administration vs players topic.
However, I've yet to see someone from "higher up staff", ya know, at least showing that he doesn't like some changes and explaining why. Strange, eh?
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Things like that happen where players like you and me cannot see.
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However, I've yet to see someone from "higher up staff", ya know, at least showing that he doesn't like some changes and explaining why. Strange, eh?
If "we" have cause for concern we privately address the matters in other locations to try and find a solution to the possible issue.
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If "we" have cause for concern we privately address the matters in other locations to try and find a solution to the possible issue.
Reminds me of the ent (http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070728000819/lotr/images/b/bb/Many_ents.png) meeting in Lord Of The Rings.
"You must understand, young Hobbit, it takes a long time to say anything in Old Entish. And we never say anything unless it is worth taking a long time to say."
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However, I've yet to see someone from "higher up staff", ya know, at least showing that he doesn't like some changes and explaining why. Strange, eh?
We do but we got other types of communication lines instead of the public forum.
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Directly aimed at everyone who thinks the same.
And that would include me? I never said anything like that, read carefully again.
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And that would include me? I never said anything like that, read carefully again.
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He's already answered your question. If you don't think that way then its NOT aimed at you...
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Fine, my post was only to clarify what I thought.
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RS5 was based on the ideas collected from the players, ideas based on the behavior of the players, among others. This means anyone who points the finger at the developers accusing them of making and implementing ideas without considering the players needs a reality check.
Regardless of whatever you serve people, whether it be RS3, RS4, RS5, or RSwhatever, there will always be bugs and imperfections. However, this is Argonath, so there will always be improvement. The challenge on the developers is to take the right kinds of improvement. The very fact that they have managed to keep a community of hundreds / thousands of players afloat after almost 8 years (with ~7 of SA:MP) very much speaks for itself.
Keep in mind that the goal of the developers is to create a fun, playable community, rather than to please every single person as the latter is impossible. One blatant example is the clusterf**k of moaning "BRING RS4 BACK IT WAS BETTER" that simply replaced the "WHEN WILL RS5 COME BACK RS4 HAS BEEN HERE TOO LONG".
Personally, there are things I dislike about RS5 too, such as the atmosphere being less conducive to people who take small breaks from RP to roam around aimlessly and think/chat (while we do expect some RP from people, we do not force them to RP 24/7), you and your car being f**ked if there is no mechanic or medic, what I perceive to be an overuse of dialog boxes as they are applied in even the simplest transactions rather than being limited to more complex ones, and not being able to type while refueling.
However, the script is revolutionary in itself, both conceptually and technically speaking. Personally, I am also impressed that they created something of this magnitude (where the database will not need any major overhaul for the next 5-10 years) from scratch. If there are not as many people in SA:MP RS5's launch as there were in SA:MP RS4's, it is because times have changed, and not because the community has lost its charm. Otherwise we will not be attracting new players, and even some of our old attackers. ("Server is one week old, yet we have DDoS and ban evaders already?")
Point is, there will always be people who will (always) complain regardless of whatever changes. The best thing to do is to take advantage of the change and ignore those who are here to do nothing but spread shit and sow hostility / negativity between community members.
EDIT: Happy 12,666th :devroll: