Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Tiny on January 09, 2014, 10:28:38 pm
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Hey everyone.
Alright, i've decided to make this topic, because i'm really dissapointed with the way people are getting used to behave on Argonath.
I'm not the most suitable person to talk about this, since i've not played here for years, but i'm feeling the need to express my opinion and try to help the community solve this problem.
Respect is lost. I only see people being rude to others, disrespecting them and their opinion. Someone says something, 10 people just start arguing with him, using not so nice language.
This happens everywhere, not only on Argonath, but i saw an incident on the facebook page of Argonath and got pissed.
A player who recently got banned for massive advertising, posted a question on that page, asking something for his own server on TeamSpeak. He didn't even advertise it, he just asked a simple question. In the comments, instead of seeing people that have something to tell him, to help him, i only saw people being rude and treating him in a really bad way.
May i ask why is this all happening? If there was a reason, i would agree with you, but why should ALL conversations in here end up like that?
I'm trying as much as i can not to provoke anyone, but really, this shit has to be changed.
Argonath has lost its quality, when i first joined the server there were lots of players who helped me, so i finally became a part of the community. Now, what? 90% of people don't even care about others, they just try to act like badasses, because they can't do it IRL.
Whatever, my English doesn't really let me say exactly what i have in my mind.
What i want to say, is that this kind of behaviour is a huge problem for Argonath, and it has to be solved. One of the people who acted incorrectly with the person who asked the question about TeamSpeak on Facebook, was Zaila. So, i don't expect admins/managers to give the solution about this with punishments, etc.
If you are reading this, please, keep in mind what i've said and think what you're doing wrong. I'm not trying to act smartass or something, and i'm not saying that i'm not one of these people who act like that. But i want everyone to try as hard as me, to be a better person and help the community instead of leading it to a worse condition.
If you don't agree with me, feel free to contact me in any way, i'm open to talk about everything.
Thanks for your time.
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Before disagreeing - Check this : http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103278.msg1643492;topicseen#new .
Jesus christ.
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That's nothing. :lol:
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It's good that you give your opinions, but i don't think that it was necessary to do a new topic for it. (Inb4 another discussion starts here)
Well all other posts about this are not opened :P
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It's good that you give your opinions, but i don't think that it was necessary to do a new topic for it. (Inb4 another discussion starts here)
Well i'm starting something new, why not make a new topic?
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Wondering why don't we forget about all this, leave the black page and open new clean one we don't want 2014 to be screwed up with fighting :(
Edit: Stop looking to the past since it's so f*** up and look forward to the future with new projects to kerp the community breath.
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Wondering why don't we forget about all this, leave the black page and open new clean one we don't want 2014 to be screwed up with fighting :(
If things don't get solved and we continue like this, 2014 will have no difference. Same as 2013.
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Wondering why don't we forget about all this, leave the black page and open new clean one we don't want 2014 to be screwed up with fighting :(
The whole thing that happen it's just unforgettable :)
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The whole thing that happen it's just unforgettable :)
It must be or there is no future. Everyone does mistakes. The problem here we love someone when ge do A LOT of fantastic things. When he does ONE mistake, we yell and forget about what he's done.
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If you want to make a difference, then you can start by not making an "Argonath has lost its quality" topic as I see one of those every year.
Funny though, in spite of all those the community only continues to grow.
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It must be or there is no future. Everyone does mistakes. The problem here we love someone when ge do A LIT of fantastic things. When he does ONE mistake, we yell and forget about what he's done.
The only problem is that people still didn't forget what i did :P
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If you want to make a difference, then you can start by not making an "Argonath has lost its quality" topic as I see one of those every year.
Funny though, in spite of all those the community only continues to grow.
Actually the opposite happened, The community has decreased and lost practically every decent member it did have, with 2-3 staying on SA-MP and the rest either leaving together or visiting MTA once a day.
You'll get that staff position one day, Posting compliments that aren't true isn't going to help you.
Yes, Argonath has lost it's touch, but that's not anyone's fault but the members, if people are rude, obnoxious and just unfair, that's their personality, that's what the internet is.
Nothing I, You or anyone else can do about it.
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that's what the internet is.
Here Let me help you.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+internet (http://What Is Internet)
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Actually the opposite happened, The community has decreased and lost practically every decent member it did have, with 2-3 staying on SA-MP and the rest either leaving together or visiting MTA once a day.
I don't care who you are, but you can't say this. Just because you're not "famous" or "popular" on Argonath doesn't mean you're not a good player. Sure many may have left SA:MP, but that makes no sense to say "2-3 staying on SA-MP". If you've even visited SA:MP, then you'd know we still have numerous members who're skilled and/or labeled as Decent/Good players.
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Controversy and ignorance is what the internet is based upon, don't ever take that away from me.
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Sure many may have left SA:MP
They didn't Left SA:MP they left Argonath, it's not the same thing.
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Actually the opposite happened, The community has decreased and lost practically every decent member it did have, with 2-3 staying on SA-MP and the rest either leaving together or visiting MTA once a day.
If you define people who are only here for some virtual moneys and turn coat once their assets are taken away as "decent", then I would say their loss has benefited SA:MP more as it shows who are loyal and willing to stick it in even through the tough times instead of jumping the plane because of a little turbulence.
You'll get that staff position one day, Posting compliments that aren't true isn't going to help you.
I got a staff position already at least 3 times, and I walked away from it as I found things that were actually more important, so do call me once you 1.) become a Manager on an Argonath server and 2.) see the position for more than some perceived status or power. Staying around in a community you brag not to care about and blasting every post by someone who cares about it as bullshit is not going to help you.
Yes, Argonath has lost it's touch, but that's not anyone's fault but the members, if people are rude, obnoxious and just unfair, that's their personality, that's what the internet is.
Nothing I, You or anyone else can do about it.
People who never try never get anywhere. Funny as every time I see a quote like this, the community has only grown since the last one. Zero advertising, too.
Controversy and ignorance is what the internet is based upon, don't ever take that away from me.
From your resigned nature and tone, seems you don't have to worry about anyone taking anything away from you, especially the latter.
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They didn't Left SA:MP they left Argonath, it's not the same thing.
And I say good on them for moving on. Now why must the past be a discussion?
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They didn't Left SA:MP they left Argonath, it's not the same thing.
If you knew anything about what I'm talking about, then you'd realize I mean SA:MP Argonath. Good try at being smart, Alex.
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And I say good on them for moving on. Now why must the past be a discussion?
Apparently until now, some people still misinterpret Argonath's goals / jobs as to pacify every single individual (even the shitters) and view every single person who leaves as some sort of failure on our part.
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And I say good on them for moving on. Now why must the past be a discussion?
To be honset idk im not even trying to, i am actually trying to forget the chaos that i create 5 or 6 days ago, but people from community remind it to me again and i get mad with that :P
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If you knew anything about what I'm talking about, then you'd realize I mean SA:MP Argonath. Good try at being smart, Alex.
i'm not even trying to be smart pff, actually i have no idea what are people talking about now just posting around cause i'm mad with what happened to me on argonath group on facebook.
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From your resigned nature and tone, seems you don't have to worry about anyone taking anything away from you, especially the latter.
I love how every time I read your comment on me I need to google something, stare at the definition for like 30 minutes, realised I've learned something new today but never thanked you, so thank you for making me less ignorant and crushing my dream of ignorance arguments and controversy .
I mean srsly who thought latter was a word. That sounds like something my grandpa would say
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Here is the desl. Argument and disrespecting topics get locked, we go to sleep and stop talking about what happened for 7 days.....voilàwe just forgot everything. And did another step with opening new clean page.
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Here is the desl. Argument and disrespecting topics get locked, we go to sleep and stop talking about what happened for 7 days.....voilàwe just forgot everything. And did another step with opening new clean page.
Deal*
And it will be really hard for people to forget things that happened passed week. :(
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Deal*
And it will be really hard for people to forget things that happened passed week. :(
zry me are zo zlerpy.
It's actually not. Just give it a try. Bonne nuit.
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Deal*
And it will be really hard for people to forget things that happened passed week. :(
Bad boy
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I don't care who you are, but you can't say this. Just because you're not "famous" or "popular" on Argonath doesn't mean you're not a good player. Sure many may have left SA:MP, but that makes no sense to say "2-3 staying on SA-MP". If you've even visited SA:MP, then you'd know we still have numerous members who're skilled and/or labeled as Decent/Good players.
Considering I actually visit all the time, and you used to be one of my close argonath friends who I count as the 2-3 staying on SA-MP.
By this, I mean the dedicated players, Lately, Argonath's community has become fucked, HOPEFULLY though, Argonath will sort it.
As for JDC, The reason i reply to practically every argument you make, is because as a user, I find you honestly annoying and slightly pathetic.
Sure, I understand, You spam the forums and use good Grammar, If I followed rules, and actually wanted to give up positions I have elsewhere for a position here, I guarantee you by now i'd be there, down to the fact i have more experience than yourself, So by using your old ranks against me is a waste of your time.
Once you actually look at yourself in the mirror, and realize we are all human, you'll be able to have a fair and decent argument, instead of constantly asslicking everyone and everything.
I don't brag about not caring about this community, i just state the facts about this community.
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zry me are zo zlerpy.
It's actually not. Just give it a try. Bonne nuit.
TBH i am doing my best to forget what i did, for me it's history now but some people keep acting very bad with me for what i did.
What do you expect me to do to stay and see them making me mad?
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TBH i am doing my best to forget what i did, for me it's history now but some people keep acting very bad with me for what i did.
What do you expect me to do to stay and see them making me mad?
Let them shout like a dog on the street.'ignorance'
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As for JDC, The reason i reply to practically every argument you make, is because as a user, I find you honestly annoying and slightly pathetic.
Mediocre minds have a natural aversion to those who easily expose their flaws, after all.
Sure, I understand, You spam the forums and use good Grammar, If I followed rules, and actually wanted to give up positions I have elsewhere for a position here, I guarantee you by now i'd be there, down to the fact i have more experience than yourself, So by using your old ranks against me is a waste of your time.
I started here without positions elsewhere, and I got my positions here from scratch. If your experience is anywhere near as good as you claim, then you should have been there ahead of me.
Once you actually look at yourself in the mirror, and realize we are all human, you'll be able to have a fair and decent argument, instead of constantly asslicking everyone and everything.
I'm sorry if you constantly misinterpret the act of actually caring for this community as asslicking, although I am not surprised as you do not care about it anyway.
I don't brag about not caring about this community
Funny, that's not exactly what happened in our last PM conversation ingame.
I just state the facts about this community
Like implying that the server is no longer any fun and Argonath SA:MP is nothing but fucked? If anything, the percentage of loyal players has increased due to the rest being diminished, and we gain new players every day. Argonath has just gone through a tough time, but as always, it is on the way up. It's not my fault you are too short-sighted to see that.
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Considering I actually visit all the time, and you used to be one of my close argonath friends who I count as the 2-3 staying on SA-MP.
By this, I mean the dedicated players, Lately, Argonath's community has become f**ked, HOPEFULLY though, Argonath will sort it.
As for JDC, The reason i reply to practically every argument you make, is because as a user, I find you honestly annoying and slightly pathetic.
Sure, I understand, You spam the forums and use good Grammar, If I followed rules, and actually wanted to give up positions I have elsewhere for a position here, I guarantee you by now i'd be there, down to the fact i have more experience than yourself, So by using your old ranks against me is a waste of your time.
Once you actually look at yourself in the mirror, and realize we are all human, you'll be able to have a fair and decent argument, instead of constantly asslicking everyone and everything.
I don't brag about not caring about this community, i just state the facts about this community.
Your fact are completely wrong. If you would see the full picture you would see that there is not any reason to worry.
SA:MP is simply getting old. Some year ago there were nearly 10k servers, not many of them are left now.
We will soon remove anyone who we know is trolling here from the community. Perhaps that will help.
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Let them shout like a dog on the street.'ignorance'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc
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Your fact are completely wrong. If you would see the full picture you would see that there is not any reason to worry.
SA:MP is simply getting old. Some year ago there were nearly 10k servers, not many of them are left now.
We will soon remove anyone who we know is trolling here from the community. Perhaps that will help.
I didn't state a reason to worry, infact if you read through you'll see I clearly said Argonath would hopefully come back with the community stable.
Right now, and there is no doubt about it, Argonath's community isn't as stable as before, Thousands of players are gone, and thousands more will join, but at this exact point in time, my statement is completely valid.
You know, Gandalf, that i love Argonath, why else would I be on this forum every day? or why else would I be respecting everything you said to me about my limits on what I can and can't do? There's many things I could do here, if I didn't respect the community that would cause huge problems, but I don't, because of the respect I have.
Many players are disrespectful, and I admit, I argue against everyone and everything, but i don't go out of my way to disrespect people, JDC is clearly 60% incorrect in alot of statements yet clearly tries to use his English skills to boost it up, hence the reason i'm arguing against him now.
As for what you said to me, JDC, relating to this?
I started here without positions elsewhere, and I got my positions here from scratch. If your experience is anywhere near as good as you claim, then you should have been there ahead of me.
If you spent more time reading what I said before, instead of picking for things to argue with me about, i did I had and have no interest in joining the argonath staff, there has been one day in my life I thought about it, that was it.
I'm not against you, I don't hate you, but I dislike the way you fail to listen to honest opinions just because you want to make things out better than they are all the time.
Argonath's a great community, it has great scripts and scripters, it also has a brilliant reputation.
I'm just the only person here who's actively expressing my opinion to you without feeling the need to sensor what I think, if i have something to say, and i don't see it as provocative or invalid, i'll say it happily.
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Well, great. I make a topic so we all think and try to do what's needed so this community is finally what it used to be, or something even better, and you all start arguing. Keep it up...
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Well, great. I make a topic so we all think and try to do what's needed so this community is finally what it used to be, or something even better, and you all start arguing. Keep it up...
It's cute how you think people won't argue. You can create a topic about kittens and puppies and suddenly people will start to argue about racism, pro-choice and 9/11 aka terrorist attacks, and/or the exsistance of UFOs.. RS5 is a topic that people will get butthurt for another 5 months, than people who want to leave will leave and new people will come who don't have a clue what RS4 means, it's like a generation change.
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It's cute how you think people won't argue. You can create a topic about kittens and puppies and suddenly people will start to argue about racism, pro-choice and 9/11 aka terrorist attacks, and/or the exsistance of UFOs.. RS5 is a topic that people will get butthurt for another 5 months, than people who want to leave will leave and new people will come who don't have a clue what RS4 means, it's like a generation change.
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I saw people on that facebook comment that weren't just hating on the guy, like myself. But you do have to realize that someone going to a FB group of a community asking for help to set up TeamSpeak groups for his community that recently had some problems with Argonath players is kind of risky. But like I said on the comments he's a player asking for help so you only answer him if you want. All the hate should be left out.
People come, people go. Some people stay. That applies everywhere, and that will and is being applied here in Argonath. No need for 54 topics regarding to it.
Big love
EDIT: Khm change that font or be destroyed.
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EDIT: Khm change that font or be destroyed.
WHY??!!!!
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But you do have to realize that someone going to a FB group of a community asking for help to set up TeamSpeak groups for his community that recently had some problems with Argonath players is kind of risky.
That teamspeak is not even a part of the other community that i advertised on Facebook, the other TS is my own teamspeak that me and my school friends are using, i just needed help with permissions and you make it so HUGE so you think that i will use it for the other community.The other community already has a teamspeak and a owner who did everything needed for a good community.This is just funny.If you want come and check that teamspeak and if you see anything connected with the community that i advertised community ban me.
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That teamspeak is not even a part of the other community that i advertised on Facebook, the other TS is my own teamspeak that me and my school friends are using, i just needed help with permissions and you make it so HUGE so you think that i will use it for the other community.The other community already has a teamspeak and a owner who did everything needed for a good community.This is just funny.If you want come and check that teamspeak and if you see anything connected with the community that i advertised community ban me.
I'm not saying I'm against your seek for help on the Argonath group. I don't mind it, I just think that people will always relate to that community. There are lots of videos on the internet that may help you setting up permissions on groups like I posted on FB :)
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I'm not saying I'm against your seek for help on the Argonath group. I don't mind it, I just think that people will always relate to that community. There are lots of videos on the internet that may help you setting up permissions on groups like I posted on FB :)
I searched on youtube and google with what i could and couldn't find anything, and when i asked something about that on argonath group i get banned from the group, just motherfucking weird shit.
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I saw people on that facebook comment that weren't just hating on the guy, like myself. But you do have to realize that someone going to a FB group of a community asking for help to set up TeamSpeak groups for his community that recently had some problems with Argonath players is kind of risky. But like I said on the comments he's a player asking for help so you only answer him if you want. All the hate should be left out.
People come, people go. Some people stay. That applies everywhere, and that will and is being applied here in Argonath. No need for 54 topics regarding to it.
Big love
EDIT: Khm change that font or be destroyed.
I agree with what you stated, but that's not the point of this topic. People leaving is not even a problem. WE, the players have to change some things. This topic is only made to make them think and try to behave as properly as possible for them.
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I am not going to talk about any particular incidents that are ongoing or from the past, but there are a few issues in Argonath, like any community. Some are to do with things more on the management and technical side, where certain aspects are failing and could and should be fixed, but are allowed to deteriorate.
Other things are much more basic, like what a few people on the topic tried to point out. We cannot control the behaviour of others, but we can control our own most of the time and use that to influence the behaviour of others.
Respect does not = hero worship or bowing down to another player.
It just simply means that you treat them well - acknowledge who they are and what their motives may be for playing Argonath. Respect's gotta be mutual if it is to exist in this community. You shouldn't respect ranks because they say so, titles are merely eloquent words and material features are replaceable.
Just play Argonath for fun, use its services because you want to. 'Trolling' someone or insulting them gets you some laughs, but it's short term and superficial.
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You know, Gandalf, that i love Argonath, why else would I be on this forum every day? or why else would I be respecting everything you said to me about my limits on what I can and can't do? There's many things I could do here, if I didn't respect the community that would cause huge problems, but I don't, because of the respect I have.
Argonath's a great community, it has great scripts and scripters, it also has a brilliant reputation.
I am not disputing this part of what you are saying, but I find it funny you suddenly changed your tune from the "I don't care about Argonath itself, I just stay here because people like you amused me" you sported previously, now that the Owner himself is debunking your arguments.
Many players are disrespectful, and I admit, I argue against everyone and everything, but i don't go out of my way to disrespect people, JDC is clearly 60% incorrect in alot of statements yet clearly tries to use his English skills to boost it up, hence the reason i'm arguing against him now.
Did you get your statistics and their "proof" from the same place where some players magically get their combat shotguns?
I'm not against you, I don't hate you, but I dislike the way you fail to listen to honest opinions just because you want to make things out better than they are all the time.
I do not hate you either, and if you will observe the pattern in my posts, I confine arguments that involve the person to a single topic where I argue against the post and its relevance instead. But I do not "want to make things out better than they are". Do you think there aren't any things I hate about this community? I've always hated moaners (who do not contribute useful here) and people who do not know how to show any thanks but instead complain about developers who spent hundreds of hours of free time just to make a better experience for them.
Optimism is not for me, but neither is useless pessimism. I consider myself a realist and I analyze things in this community based on the dynamics as I have observed them (from perspectives INSIDE and OUTSIDE of administration and development) throughout several years, and in the process I have learned which "honest opinions" actually hold water and which are just misgivings of players who are being too negative to take the initiative to contribute on their own to making things better.
Much like some hypocrites who complain that nothing / barely anything good is happening in RS5 when they are not going ingame to make any positive changes at all, and in fact jumped ship / moved somewhere else when the gamemode was changed. Unlike many of our "beloved" moaners, I (and pretty much anyone with more than half a brain of functional brain cells) actually observe things for how they work instead and take some damn effort to contribute to change instead of becoming some armchair warrior who spits few things other than unproductive complaints.
I'm just the only person here who's actively expressing my opinion to you without feeling the need to sensor what I think, if i have something to say, and i don't see it as provocative or invalid, i'll say it happily.
You are far from the first or the only. But neither do I censor what I think either, one reason I have clashed many times with colleagues and superiors. As I speak out when I see something wrong, I also speak my mind when I see a claim which I see falls in a pattern of many before it that does not hold water or much contribution to the server.
"Argonath has lost its charm" "Admins are doing something wrong so players are leaving" "Developers do not care" "The server is not fun" were all honest opinions of some people too. However, they were (and still are) closer to being opinions rather than facts as 1.) I have observed many things that would point to the opposite and 2.) the progress of this community is happening different as it would have if all those "honest opinions" were actually true.
If they were, then I (and a good portion of devs/admins) would actually take them more seriously. But the fact that they weren't, not to mention that nearly all the players who make them are those who do not contribute properly to this community (if at all) strips them of any shred of credibility.
I didn't state a reason to worry, infact if you read through you'll see I clearly said Argonath would hopefully come back with the community stable.
Right now, and there is no doubt about it, Argonath's community isn't as stable as before, Thousands of players are gone, and thousands more will join, but at this exact point in time, my statement is completely valid.
The fact is, Argonath has gone through a rough time (which is but one of many we have experienced) but continues to grow, and many of those who are complaining about a little turbulence are the ones who jumped the plane instead of staying behind to stick it out until the captain finally abandons.
If you understood this post instead of just reading it, maybe you will finally realize what makes your arguments much less credible in the eyes of those who care about Argonath itself, as Argonath is also the community, contrary to your claims.
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WHY??!!!!
The humans seem to have figured out that it siphons their life energy and feeds it to the cows. Find another plan!
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they just try to act like badasses, because they can't do it IRL.
You just answered your own question.
Oh, I just noticed JDC say that community is growing. As much as I have been agreeing with you lately and as much as I would like to agree with you on this one too, I can't. We seem to fail to accept that it's completely the opposite, the community is actually dying now, look at SA:MP, 13-20 people, when even at exam times there used to be atleast 60. It's either decreasing or staying the same, only most people moving to other Argonath Servers such as IV:Mp because theyre butthurt over loosing everything in RS5.
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Oh, I just noticed JDC say that community is growing. As much as I have been agreeing with you lately and as much as I would like to agree with you on this one too, I can't. We seem to fail to accept that it's completely the opposite, the community is actually dying now, look at SA:MP, 13-20 people, when even at exam times there used to be atleast 60. It's either decreasing or staying the same, only most people moving to other Argonath Servers such as IV:Mp because theyre butthurt over loosing everything in RS5.
Those 13-20 people in SA:MP, the ones I am seeing ingame, are the ones who are busy working to rebuild what they have lost. Argonath does not advertise itself everywhere, yet we are gaining new players who do not even know what RS4 was.
Other servers keep high amount of players? Some do, but SA:MP is an old game and anyone who wants to pull the current global server statistics card should try and compare it to several years ago, when the amount of servers was much greater. Even BEFORE RS5, the average max players on the server have experienced several declines (reflecting the rest of SA:MP), yet the community has always held strong.
People are butthurt because of the reset? All of us lost everything, yet those who don't have their heads stuck too deep in their wallets that it goes out of their ass are the ones working on the server to hold this community together. If you are not willing to work for wealth in a new start like the rest of us, then you do not deserve it.
If moaners can get their heads out of their asses and look at the script for what it actually is rather than measuring the integrity of the server through the numbers of what we do not have, they will see RS5 has solved some problems prevalent in RS4 such as the implementation of an actual economic system and disincentivizing trigger-happy groups, two things among many others than those very same moaners complained about (along with the rest of the players) i RS4.
Of course, you can always bring RS4 back by taking Gandalf's challenge. However, it seems none of the moaners has the balls to do so, becoming silent when challenged to take their action beyond simple moaning...
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Those 13-20 people in SA:MP, the ones I am seeing ingame, are the ones who are busy working to rebuild what they have lost. Argonath does not advertise itself everywhere, yet we are gaining new players who do not even know what RS4 was.
Other servers keep high amount of players? Some do, but SA:MP is an old game and anyone who wants to pull the current global server statistics card should try and compare it to several years ago, when the amount of servers was much greater. Even BEFORE RS5, the average max players on the server have experienced several declines (reflecting the rest of SA:MP), yet the community has always held strong.
People are butthurt because of the reset? All of us lost everything, yet those who don't have their heads stuck too deep in their wallets that it goes out of their ass are the ones working on the server to hold this community together. If you are not willing to work for wealth in a new start like the rest of us, then you do not deserve it.
If moaners can get their heads out of their asses and look at the script for what it actually is rather than measuring the integrity of the server through the numbers of what we do not have, they will see RS5 has solved some problems prevalent in RS4 such as the implementation of an actual economic system and disincentivizing trigger-happy groups, two things among many others than those very same moaners complained about (along with the rest of the players) i RS4.
Of course, you can always bring RS4 back by taking Gandalf's challenge. However, it seems none of the moaners has the balls to do so, becoming silent when challenged to take their action beyond simple moaning...
Yet when people do take on Gandalf's challenge of either paying 400 euro's or re-creating RS4 he gets mad and bans 40% of the server's population for checking out these other servers?
Bigger picture is available, feel free to look at it.
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Yet when people do take on Gandalf's challenge of either paying 400 euro's or re-creating RS4 he gets mad and bans 40% of the server's population for checking out these other servers?
Bigger picture is available, feel free to look at it.
Oh your back.
Well the 400 quid was sarcasm he didn't insist to anyone that they should pay that. Well the server that "recreated" RS4 hasn't but what they did do was much more. Advertise, issue threats and so on. That's why the majority of you are not allowed here.
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Yet when people do take on Gandalf's challenge of either paying 400 euro's or re-creating RS4 he gets mad and bans 40% of the server's population for checking out these other servers?
Bigger picture is available, feel free to look at it.
Leeches get banned, creating your own servers without making use of Argonath for players or resources then there won't be a problem.
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There is another picture here and it's the one you fail to reveal about your own actions.
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There is another picture here and it's the one you fail to reveal about your own actions.
My actions aren't the importance here:)?
I'm already in the wrong, and I know and don't want to be back ingame at all.
I'm relating to you all banning fair players such as Axis, Bruce, Bas and disallowing them to make their own decisions?
I'm not on the forums to cause trouble, only here to take a look around and keep up to date with my friends.
@TED
'Well the server that 'Recreated' RS4 Hasn't"
If you're relating to the public server open using raven's, That's because everyone's waiting for the development server, that infact is an EXACT Clone of RS4 Itself.
No server name's included, just saying before you ridicule us.
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You have nothing to show besides the lack of originality and serious lack of etiquette.
If you have no interest in returning, then don't waste your time posting or visiting these forums.
Those that are banned are big boys, I am sure they can contest their bans if they would like to do so instead of having someone run around barking up trees for them.
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Weed hasn't grown yet, this makes more sense.
It would need to be more than just being visual similarities to be an exact clone of RS4.
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Weed hasn't grown yet, this makes more sense.
It would need to be more than just being visual similarities to be an exact clone of RS4.
Taking out the fact that was a test message and made in one day.
@Devin, I'm not on the forums to spam, Abuse, Flame, Insult, Whine, Cry whatever you call it?
I'm only discussing, Nothing wrong with that in my view?
I'm still a part of this community, I still have friends here, Until the people Gandalf blackmailed have been informed they can play at both places, I won't be satisfied...
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Until the people Gandalf blackmailed have been informed they can play at both places, I won't be satisfied...
Bitch please. Stop making me cry out of laught.