Anyone who feels bad about the state the server is in would do best to go in and play instead of talking about it.That's true. But it's hard to break the loop of everyone going "I would play if others would"
As long as all people do is talk here, nothing is going to change.
What I do see happening, though, is people finally realising how old SA:MP is and moving on to other games.
People would get along with new addons, but not with total changes in the system which changed the gameplay permamently.
- Removal of PnS
- Removal of food system
- Paying for a gun each time you want to buy more ammo
- Script not being functional without many people and lot of cash (It's not fun to drive alone a blista compact all day long)
- No economy balance ( Fireman earns 4k per 40mins, drug dealer earns 400$ for 40mins in case that drug dealer knows all active spots at the moment and drug markets, there are more examples)
- Criminals being degraded to the ground. It's not even fun, yet it's really annoying and huge waste of time. (i.e. It takes ages to find the spot to grow drugs, when u grow drugs it takes 7-10 mins for them to grow. For 10minutes u can get arrested 5 times, killed 10 times and robbed 15 times)
RS5 is not fun to play, its complicated, annoying and it totally ruined the gameplay.
As Acika said the following present problems of RS5, i agreed with them but its not good to say that its ruined the gameplay because it have more sexy and nice script than RS4.Scripts must work before they can be sexy. :rage:
Scripts must work before they can be sexy. :rage:Scripts do work, not all of em but they do.
Scripts must work before they can be sexy. :rage:The scripts are not the only thing that makes the server,the players do.
That's true. But it's hard to break the loop of everyone going "I would play if others would"How so? Just tell others you are going IG and go there. They will start to join eventually.
If we (the players) makes a list and vote for changes that we want, would developers start working on them? Or will you (Gandalf for example) continue saying "go ingame and play instead of hanging here"?Why is a vote needed? There has been a board for suggestions for quite some time where players can give their ideas and show their support for them.
Why is a vote needed? There has been a board for suggestions for quite some time where players can give their ideas and show their support for them.Yes but does anyone give a crap about what we put there?
Yes but does anyone give a crap about what we put there?Last time we did that we created RS5.
Last time we did that we created RS5.Should have just created RS4.1 =\
Should have just created RS4.1 =\
Should have just created RS4.1 =\
Should have just created RS4.1 =\
People complain, you tell them to provide a solution.
People provide reasonable solutions, nothing changes.
Nothing changes, people still complain.
People still complain, you tell them to leave.
Then the stories how everyone have exams, how samp suddenly became an old game upon release of RS5 are following to cover up the player base loss.
People would get along with new addons, but not with total changes in the system which changed the gameplay permamently.
- Removal of PnS
- Removal of food system
- Paying for a gun each time you want to buy more ammo
- Script not being functional without many people and lot of cash (It's not fun to drive alone a blista compact all day long)
- No economy balance ( Fireman earns 4k per 40mins, drug dealer earns 400$ for 40mins in case that drug dealer knows all active spots at the moment and drug markets, there are more examples)
- Criminals being degraded to the ground. It's not even fun, yet it's really annoying and huge waste of time. (i.e. It takes ages to find the spot to grow drugs, when u grow drugs it takes 7-10 mins for them to grow. For 10minutes u can get arrested 5 times, killed 10 times and robbed 15 times)
For your information, upon official release of RS5 there were 120+ players on the server untill they realised that nothing has changed since the BETA and that the script is not working properly/is broken, then they all left the server.
They didnt leave the community, they are all daily active on forums, complaining and providing solutions for the problems to be fixed.
RS5 is not fun to play, its complicated, annoying and it totally ruined the gameplay.
We still have time to turn this around and we have the collective responsibility to restore the server’s competitive stance on the world SA:MP stage in hope of securing the best talent out there and continued organic growth.
Mario Rinna suggested another alternative which is now a serious and heavily endorsed idea which is to roll back to the last backup of RS4 and restore some confidence and normality into the server. This is a suggested solution as RS5 has been given reasonable teething time to self-correct but now having seen the dust settle, the core problems persist with no real communicated resolution on the horizon.It seems I was misunderstood. What I meant to say is that it could be beneficial to convert RS4 accounts and their stats into a format suitable for RS5, allowing to keep both RS5 scripts and players' assets. This could take a lot of effort, but it could also save the time required to build an economy from scratch.
GTA V killed SA. That's all. No hatred towards RS5 plz.
GTA V killed SA. That's all. No hatred towards RS5 plz.No hatred toward your nosense..
It's a little too late..That too
RS4.1 is actually what you were playing before; RS4.1 came out a bit after RS4 and added support like fire missions.I think what he meant is to re-create RS4.1 (with the new engine) and build upon it, instead of completely new gamemode.
Should have just created RS4.1 =\They did...several years ago.
I think what he meant is to re-create RS4.1 (with the new engine) and build upon it, instead of completely new gamemode.
To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
Want RS4.1 back?To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
RS4 was awesome! Everyone was having fun, peoples allways RP and were happy. Now when RS5 relased, Argonath is not a RPG anymore Its Argonath FD!anlot of members quit. server today was being played by only 2 -3members.
RS5 is not helping community.
It seems I was misunderstood. What I meant to say is that it could be beneficial to convert RS4 accounts and their stats into a format suitable for RS5, allowing to keep both RS5 scripts and players' assets. This could take a lot of effort, but it could also save the time required to build an economy from scratch.
I don't really think that this is going to be considered anymore.Why not? Please explain and, if possible, give a (credible) source.
Why not? Please explain and, if possible, give a (credible) source.
For starters i think that the idea goes against the Argonath vision.Why?
Second, the staff has been focused on more important things so i doubt that another team will be lead to an RS4 serverGandalf will manage that.
Third, i don't really see the people paying to get RS4 back.Well, that doesn't mean that the offer isn't 'considered' anymore.
Third, i don't really see the people paying to get RS4 back.
People complain, you tell them to provide a solution.And so they did.
People provide reasonable solutions, nothing changes.
Nothing changes, people still complain.
People still complain, you tell them to leave.
To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
Face it, it was a good run, but we reached the finish line.Then we need to get the trophy, or we gave up and let others win ?
Then we need to get the trophy, or we gave up and let others win ?
As people are willing to complain and complain, but suddenly back off when they are faced with a challenge.
Gandalf will manage that.
Well, that doesn't mean that the offer isn't "considered" anymore.
As people are willing to complain and complain, but suddenly back off when they are faced with a challenge.
It is actually very well within Gandalf's capabilities to put up that RS4 server, all that is needed is a heavy enough reason, which he outlined in his challenge.
There just few things that isn't added to RS5, which is causing many groups and our loyal players to stay away. So until developers implement those critical features into the server, it is the best idea to be patient and think of good ideas to make the server better. This is not a "depression" it is just a time for change and transformation to strengthen the server for better role play.
As people are willing to complain and complain, but suddenly back off when they are faced with a challenge.
It is actually very well within Gandalf's capabilities to put up that RS4 server, all that is needed is a heavy enough reason, which he outlined in his challenge.
Find me that quote from Gandalf, please
To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
Did you won?win*
so madboi how are u spending your days without driving your infernus
You wanted a quote and a quote was supplied, bullshit or not it would be done if the requirements were met.
Votes won't raise funds to open a second server.
Opening a second server is not the answer... reloading RS4 scripts on the current server is.
And what about people who enjoy and want to keep on playing RS5?
I dream of a day where a server can use two gamemodes and players can pick which one they want. :dance:
I dream of a day where a server can use two gamemodes and players can pick which one they want. :dance:Spliting 6 people on two gamemods? :rolleyes:
Spliting 6 people on two gamemods? :rolleyes:There's more than 6players waiting for rs4 and there's some waiting for a "playable" rs5.
Hence why I said let the vote do the talking. If RS5 has more votes, RS5 stays and continues to develop. If RS4 has more votes, we go back to RS4 and live happily ever after. Whatever the outcome of the votes is what will remain and anymore /moan posts will result in sanctions.
From a newbie prespective theres nothing to help players like me that dunno the map, and nothing to assist. The game is only suited towards experienced players which is annoying asfFirst off, there's a lot of players who will help you in-game, use the /h chat. Furethermore, there's a /help command, use it. Feel free to send me a PM if you can't get help IG.
Spliting 6 people on two gamemods? :rolleyes:Six? What are you talking about?
That's not how things work here.
Six? What are you talking about?
Stivi thats not good enough.Define "good". It's not the players fault you are lazy.
rs5 is broken,False.
unplayableCitation needed.
overcomplicatedFor you.
FACTOPINION*
I'm not a dictionary, and I'm not going to spend my game time driving around a map i have no clue about hunting for a little flower, rs4 was much better and the map mod was perfect, rs5 is broken, unplayable and overcomplicated, FACTYour facts are wrong and The heroin looks the same, the weed doesn't.
yes its broken, half of the cars dont even work, If you paid for a game and u got that u would call it broken and demand a refund, Time is just as if not more valuable than money. Yeah unplayable I'm not playing a game it seems as I'm not having fun more frustration than anything. overcomplicated yes, just some things ive encountered, have to go off duty before doing a neww job, when i don't even know job locations, Have to /changename at a city desk who knows where that is, I die and get spawned on the other end of the map only to travel all the way back when u could spawn at nearest hospital. these are the only things i've tried doing so far and get nothing but problems. Sometimes the simpler things in life are better. IVMP is a perfect example great fun game, no stress.
yes its broken, half of the cars dont even work, If you paid for a game and u got that u would call it broken and demand a refund, Time is just as if not more valuable than money. Yeah unplayable I'm not playing a game it seems as I'm not having fun more frustration than anything. overcomplicated yes, just some things ive encountered, have to go off duty before doing a neww job, when i don't even know job locations, Have to /changename at a city desk who knows where that is, I die and get spawned on the other end of the map only to travel all the way back when u could spawn at nearest hospital. these are the only things i've tried doing so far and get nothing but problems. Sometimes the simpler things in life are better. IVMP is a perfect example great fun game, no stress.Because a cop in real life simply goes at the hospital and wears his uniform to serve his pacients... Oh wait, he also extinguishes fire on his spare time.
Yeah I've completed SA years ago, and it's not real life it's a video game, Life is complicated. So I guess that's also been implemented into the game. Hnece my point on overcomplication.
You didn't try teaching me nothing,I tried warning you to save your money for something better, yet you insisted on buying an AK47 which you lost when a cop killed you, only to have your weapons taken many times by admins later as you could not stop deathmatching.
and i'm in every right to make an assessmentAfter around 6 hours of wasting money, begging for more money, and deathmatching?
who do you think you are.Someone who did not come to SA:MP with 5 bans from IV:MP for constant DMing / rulebreaking only to get an SA:MP tempban because of an inability to follow very simple rules.
I'm banned from IVMP I would if i could lool, I dunno how you can blank out the prblems, there is serious things wrong with RS5, but you guys are just fobbing people off maybe that's why you've lost so many players.You need to behave and just act normal in the server.
From a newbie prespective theres nothing to help players like me
dunno the map
The game is only suited towards experienced players which is annoying asf
yes its broken, half of the cars dont even work
If you paid for a game and u got that u would call it broken and demand a refund
have to go off duty before doing a neww job, when i don't even know job locations
Have to /changename at a city desk who knows where that is
I die and get spawned on the other end of the map only to travel all the way back when u could spawn at nearest hospital.
Sometimes the simpler things in life are better. IVMP is a perfect example great fun game, no stress.
It seems I was misunderstood. What I meant to say is that it could be beneficial to convert RS4 accounts and their stats into a format suitable for RS5, allowing to keep both RS5 scripts and players' assets. This could take a lot of effort, but it could also save the time required to build an economy from scratch.I totally agree with Mario's statement. Keeping the assets of players will let them enjoy the game fully. It would not be lazy for players to connect on the server. I think it would not have bring it too down.
I'm not a dictionary, and I'm not going to spend my game time driving around a map i have no clue about hunting for a little flower, rs4 was much better and the map mod was perfect, rs5 is broken, unplayable and overcomplicated, FACTI agree.
Yeah I've completed SA years ago, and it's not real life it's a video game, Life is complicated. So I guess that's also been implemented into the game. Hnece my point on overcomplication.Is your ass jealous of the shit that comes out of your mouth?
For last time im repeating my suggestion.
Give official, now ex, their HQ back, set them 6-7 cars in their family color. Criminal groups will have a place to meet up, they will have their cars and they will feel much better. As u know, Cops, fireman, medic have their own cars, HQ and equipment.
As I have mentioned before, if groups decided to be active instead of disappearing things would have been considered, and one of those is their HQ being set for them.You want from criminal groups to be in game and to chat with eachother.
Instead groups chose to leave because somehow you can't roleplay on a roleplay server as there's no weapons or vehicles to buy yet?
Now of course, we are not going to run around setting the groups HQs if the groups themselves can't show a sign of existence what so ever.
As I have mentioned before, if groups decided to be active instead of disappearing things would have been considered, and one of those is their HQ being set for them.But that again, is your fault. No one stopped you in doing all those things while everyone was still around, now when you made this among many mistakes, you expect us to come and give our time again so you'll be able to fix the mistakes you made.
Instead groups chose to leave because somehow you can't roleplay on a roleplay server as there's no weapons or vehicles to buy yet?
Now of course, we are not going to run around setting the groups HQs if the groups themselves can't show a sign of existence what so ever.
Almost 100 people participated in the vote. 50 of us voted for the return of RS4.
Its bad enough the player's opinions are being ignored but ignoring the statistics infront of you? :uhm:
It seems I was misunderstood. What I meant to say is that it could be beneficial to convert RS4 accounts and their stats into a format suitable for RS5, allowing to keep both RS5 scripts and players' assets. This could take a lot of effort, but it could also save the time required to build an economy from scratch.
Barely anyone was around during and after RS5's release so how could we have done those things to begin with.
"50 frenchmen can't be wrong" is a well-known logical fallacy; what a significant number want does not always constitute the best option.
Going back to RS4 means discarding progressive ideas that the players themselves have suggested over the years. It means insulting and disregarding years of hard work (with no pay) that Argonath developers put in. It means reverting to a technologically inferior gamemode, where more data components have become obsolete. If those of you here with experience in programming/developing looked at the specifics, you will see even more reasons not to revert to RS4.
Regardless of the gamemode, there will be complaints. Ironically, those who are complaining about the RS5 reset may be just asking for another. The best option for SA:MP is to move forward and make the best of that.
Cheaters!
You voted with ur main forum account and with a fake one (Mostly rs5 voters,I wont tell names also).
As soon as the BETA server was released, everything was already made, and it was too late.
Cheaters!:lol:
You voted with ur main forum account and with a fake one (Mostly rs5 voters,I wont tell names also).
It is never to late. Changes can still be made including entire overhauls; use ARUN as a means to communicate with the developers and Gandalf about exactly what you think is wrong and how you think it should be and why that way best serves all the groups and the community.TBH I don't think over hauls are what's needed, what is needed is a bunch of paydays, ownable properties and vehicles and fixes of major bugs and as soon as possible. :rolleyes:
:lol:Don't laught go see it yourself.
RS4 had over 100 playersYeah well, by Gandalf saying they do not care about the player count, hiding is pretty much what they are up to ;).
RS5 now is struggling to reach 20 players.
You cant hide from the statistics. Numbers are everything.
The vote is pretty much useless anyway.. we all know they are not going to change anything.
I thought that list was confidential!No it warned you.
No it warned you.ok i dont care anyway :D
But after voting only.
Don't laught go see it yourself.I have just checked. It's sad to see that they are voting from their another accounts.
I have just checked. It's sad to see that they are voting from their another accounts.Admins do I have the permission to call him a moron?
Admins do I have the permission to call him a moron?
They are their old names, most of them had the forum names changed, thus the names in the poll are different.. they weren't cheating, it's a flaw in the script showing the names that were first registered instead of changed ones..
Perfect examples;
Tedd:Jones - Teddy
rusty - RustyCalvesomething
JDCdesigns - JDC
Those who told me said they'd leave SAPD because everyone could be SAPD,And those are power hungry idiots. :)
they want to get a better rank, like the new features, whatever the reason is.Because they want to feel more powerful than everyone else.
ex-official groups (and active groups of rs4) should be given their HQ, and possibly like two group cars ( Like acika suggested )Why should they? They bailed when RS5 came because they lost their assets, they don't deserve shit.
If that is rejected, then the developers should "list" what they expect from groups, other than "Go IG AND RP!"Going in game and RPing is what you're expected to do though.
It's sad to see that they are voting from their another accounts.How do you know they are? And what dumbass wastes time doing that in a non-official vote.. :lol:
Like my vote is Ernst but look at ze name <----(http://i.imgur.com/vR1Aqzk.gif)
They are their old names, most of them had the forum names changed, thus the names in the poll are different.. they weren't cheating, it's a flaw in the script showing the names that were first registered instead of changed ones..
Perfect examples;
Tedd:Jones - Teddy
rusty - RustyCalvesomething
JDCdesigns - JDC
How do you know they are? And what dumbass wastes time doing that in a non-official vote.. :lol:You can see thier names.
SAPD was briefed about RS5? Nope.SAPD didnt need a briefing because almost every single admin is a cop and admins had access to the beta test server and Teddy, CBFasi are scripters themselves.
Sure we had admins inside SAPD who got to test RS5 before the public did, fact is we never got consulted about the police side of things. It was only until Zaila posted a topic in the ARPD Forums at the start of January because of the barely there communication we were able to put forward ideas and what not.
How do you know they are? And what dumbass wastes time doing that in a non-official vote.. :lol:I have my men who are giving me information i want, did you really think i checked ? :lol:
my menSomeone just came out of the closet.
SAPD didnt need a briefing because almost every single admin is a cop and admins had access to the beta test server and Teddy, CBFasi are scripters themselves.
CBFasi made the script as he/cops likes, what if you give a criminal leader to make a script as he likes ? Or at least you could ask them for an opinion ;)
Like Cofi, I agree that there is no finger pointing at the developers - they have done a great job.
RS5 is in the current predicament because of failure to adhere to general project management principles. The fundamental rule of project management is to ensure you understand and translate the requirements of the users into functional solutions. For example, if a client asked for a Ferrari and was delivered a FIAT, he would surely not be impressed. The same applies to RS5 where the community was not even given reasonable insight into RS5 through the development phase resulting in the commotion we see today.
The RS5 requirement elicitation was poor and managed by the owner who has questionably been out of touch with the community. Some have been petitioning since early 2009 for a general counsel AKA ARUN to have vetoing ability over changes in this community and the project stalled several times only to be reinstated again recently, perhaps one might argue too late.
This said, what is more important is that we concentrate on remediating the issues at hand and providing real feasible solutions. Again, the management and owner are not providing insight into how this area of concern is planned to be resolved except for ARUN. There needs to be greater transparency if you wish for players to stay.
And those are power hungry idiots. :)
Because they want to feel more powerful than everyone else.Agreed. But that's how basically everyone is on rs5.
Why should they? They bailed when RS5 came because they lost their assets, they don't deserve shit.When the assets were there, they used to RP. Think about it. They lost the spirit when rs5 came.
Going in game and RPing is what you're expected to do though.Yes, couldn't agree more, however there's no one to RP with. Everyone's a fireman/cop.
SAPD didnt need a briefing because almost every single admin is a cop and admins had access to the beta test server and Teddy, CBFasi are scripters themselves.
CBFasi made the script as he/cops likes, what if you give a criminal leader to make a script as he likes ? Or at least you could ask them for an opinion ;)
SAPD was briefed about RS5? Nope.They were.
Sure we had admins inside SAPD who got to test RS5 before the public did, fact is we never got consulted about the police side of things. It was only until Zaila posted a topic in the ARPD Forums at the start of January because of the barely there communication we were able to put forward ideas and what not.
They were.
CBFasi made the script as he/cops likes, what if you give a criminal leader to make a script as he likes ? Or at least you could ask them for an opinion ;)
SAPD didnt need a briefing because almost every single admin is a cop and admins had access to the beta test server and Teddy, CBFasi are scripters themselves.
CBFasi made the script as he/cops likes, what if you give a criminal leader to make a script as he likes ? Or at least you could ask them for an opinion ;)
They were.
Then do enlighten us on what we were consulted on.The SAPD having a test before joining. No more ARPD. Jurisdiction.
The SAPD having a test before joining. No more ARPD. Jurisdiction.
Only high ranked people knew in advance; the general population of SAPD had no idea until just before beta.Despite the sergants, a officer and some low AD rank knew too.
Those who told me said they'd leave SAPD because everyone could be SAPD, that being said, they had no challenge.
Despite the sergants, a officer and some low AD rank knew too.
That wasn't on the developers end; those were unauthorized leaks or the small handful of members of the SAPD whom were admins. Keep in minds admins didn't have access to the server for a long time (over a year!). They were only invited once the majority of systems were done.Still, they knew what was going on. Criminals knew shit.
Wait, DJs get purple names now ? :P
As I said; if you would read.. not every idea has been implemented exactly as proposed. The core concept of in-game DJ ranks however with script support is implemented.I didn't read all the topics. Nice, anyway.
Still, they knew what was going on. Criminals knew shit.
Amazing, I actually contributed something useful for once in five years.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=95475.0
Conroy was the one developing the police side of things, CBF never participated in RS5 scripting from what I believe.CBFasi or Conroy, same thing.
SAPD didn't need briefed because some admins are cops? That's a joke in it's own right.
I could say the same for the admins who dote about as criminals from time to time, maybe groups didn't need spoken to after-all.
Then do enlighten us on what we were consulted on.
No group should get free buildings, vehicles and stuff unless they work for it (that is work on getting the official status, and you know what follows after receiving the official status).Work what ?
CBFasi or Conroy, same thing.And that's why there were 70 players online yesterday.
Because you consider criminal groups not important, maybe that's the reason why there's 14 players at Sunday 6:30 (CET).
Work what ?
And that's why there wereBecause of SAPD meeting. And now ? 15.7054 players online yesterday.
Because of SAPD meeting. And now ? 15.Actually only 13 players attended the SAPD meeting.
Let's go make some crowd. Come with me so that there's 17 players online at Sunday, 19 o'clock :lol:
Actually only 13 players attended the SAPD meeting.13 cops, 5 admins, 15 fireman, 5 civilians and 16 players who joined to meet Gandalf in game ;)
It actually reached 69/70 players, and I do not recall seeing Acika_Luciano on that list.Did u see me now ? I was 8 out of 8 players at 19:00 CET Sunday.
Either way, that only showed how the player count could be boosted if even one faction (which, in this case) decided to stay ingame, hereby lending credence to the idea that the player count will be much higher if factions decided to work instead of complaining on forums about what they lost.
Did u see me now ? I was 8 out of 8 players in 19:00 CET Sunday.
Can you count?I can. There's currently 9/100 players. 19:09.
Work as in what they did years ago, build their empire. Groups still have a chance to get their HQ by the state by working for the official group.Where are those 55 players now ? When Gandalf is not online.
And by the way, by the time Gandalf logged in, there were already 55+ players online.
I can. There's currently 9/100 players. 19:09.
STATUS PING 19:00:00 11
STATUS PING 19:10:01 13
Aren't this "Let's get real" topics boring already?
He's more of a talker than a doer.Wise words. Good job repeating Cofi's words.
Give groups a reason to play....and they shall...
RS4 still beating RS5 by miles.. :app:
As far as I know the Air division had a few promises which weren't kept until the very end; Some members are still disappointed by it.
Give groups a reason to play.
Your the one in a group, start suggesting stuff to developers in a topic purely dedicated towards it. (improvements, new ideas)Me and others are posting for months, there's still no changes.
Alternatively you don't and, they'll implement their own changes which would/could result in you being back here arguing that "this is crap nothing for us".
So yes, wise words indeed which are you?
In an unofficial poll. Lovely.
Me and others are posting for months, there's still no changes.
I'm glad that you're learning from clever people (in this case Cofi), untill you manage to think about something yourself.
Give me one valid reason to supply a group with these itemsWas there a valid reason to remove these items from them in the first instance? : <
Me and others are posting for months, there's still no changes.
I'm glad that you're learning from clever people (in this case Cofi), untill you manage to think about something yourself.
Give us vehicles, give us our HQ, give us assets...That's a solution.
Give me one valid reason to supply a group with these items when in return they don't even go in-game and just seem to disrupt the forums with demands instead of solutions?
Was there a valid reason to remove these items from them in the first instance? : <
RS4 still beating RS5 by miles.. :app:Let me give my friends money or tell them to vote for RS5, then.
Was there a valid reason to remove these items from them in the first instance? : <:rofl: :rofl: win.
That's a solution.You need to show respect to get respected. Most of the group leaders were banned for some shitty rule breaks (such as DM-ing, copbaiting, HACKING :eek:) how will the division leaders easily trust them? True, there are some players that are studying in the university and can't put their time on a video game and here is a solution for that; throw the ball to another leader, to keep it rolling.
And for 101st time, im not asking anything for myself, but for official groups.
It's your problem you dont have respect for people who contributed and dedicated so much for the server over years.
from clever people (in this case Cofi)
Was there a valid reason to remove these items from them in the first instance? : <
Let me give my friends money or tell them to vote for RS5, then.
Who claims to be more of a doer than a talker, but actually bailed on SA:MP and is nothing more than a part of the past now, just like you complaining over lost assets.Wow, do you even read what we the 'moaners' are saying? You only write pages full and then go away without trying to understand others.
I don't know where you are going with this? I also can encourage players to vote for RS4.You didn't get the point...
In an unofficial poll. Lovely.Unfortunaetly, what is dead official is the numbers you can see in the SA:MP Client showing the current number of players.
Unfortunaetly, what is dead official is the numbers you can see in the SA:MP Client showing the current number of players.
When push comes to shove, those are the official numbers you want to be looking at.
Unfortunaetly, what is dead official is the numbers you can see in the SA:MP Client showing the current number of players.
When push comes to shove, those are the official numbers you want to be looking at.
It wasn't my call but the only viable solution to prevent utter chaos within the economy from the beginning as groups would have multiple items whilst regular players begin with nothing what so ever.Utter chaos is what Argonath is about. With powerless, weak law enforcement and non-existent government, rich criminal groups and show-offs were what powered the unregulated economy and brought server to life.
Who claims to be more of a doer than a talker, but actually bailed on SA:MP and is nothing more than a part of the past now, just like you complaining over lost assets.You have no rights to mention one of the biggest legends of Argonath (Cofiliano), the man who has built the biggest empire. You, who are going around talking nonsense, the one whos a theme of a good laugh on the family topics can only hail such a legends. So please...
In an unofficial poll. Lovely.I thought the opinion of the players actually counted, oh well.
You have no rights to mention one of the biggest legends of argonath, the man who has built the biggest empire. You, who are going around talking nonsense, the one whos a theme of a good laugh on the family topics can only hail such a legends. So please...
Yes. I'd love to see Gvardia getting their HQ back.So would I (unbelievably), except that right now, Gvardia is not doing anything to make this happen.
I thought the opinion of the players actually counted, oh well.Many of these "opinions" are little more than complaints that are not based on any real solutions. Perhaps if more went ingame wjhile focusing on discussing viable solutions instead of moaning "this server sucks because I lost my assets and they are not bringing RS4 back", we'd actually get somewhere.
So would I (unbelievably), except that right now, Gvardia is not doing anything to make this happen.We are. Posted bug reports, helped newcomers, RPed when I could, had fun. Oh wait, that doesn't count.
We are. Posted bug reports, helped newcomers, RPed when I could, had fun. Oh wait, that doesn't count.
Unfortunately, what is dead official is the numbers you can see in the SA:MP Client showing the current number of players.
When push comes to shove, those are the official numbers you want to be looking at.
It most definitely would if your group did not bail out of the server, with you remaining as the most frequently-seen Gvardia online here instead of being surrounded by your friends. You yourself are not the problem.You seem to love the word 'Gvardia'.
I think RS5 was released too early, however the future seems bright.
Who claims to be more of a doer than a talker, but actually bailed on SA:MP and is nothing more than a part of the past now, just like you complaining over lost assets.With you as a constant talker and essay writer that no one actually takes into consideration, its not so hard to be a doer.
123 members voted - that's the regular number of players which used to be on Argonath.Not all of them voted for time machine...(returning to RS4 :rolleyes:)
And just don't come and tell me that's an unofficial poll,because for many of us is official.
With you as a constant talker and essay writer that no one actually takes into consideration, its not so hard to be a doer.
I didnt 'bailed out' (and like Leon wrote you can stop talking about Gvardia cause of all those facts ), the entire community collapsed and left, and LOL on your effort to show how Gvardia is guilty that you got 2 players online at the moment
Anyone who feels bad about the state the server is in would do best to go in and play instead of talking about it.
As long as all people do is talk here, nothing is going to change.
That is not completely true, as Sforza left to MTA they still have a sub division on SAMP, there are enough of them to spread the RP through two servers, even if all of them aren't on one server.
Sforza met the same fate as Gvardia; Started playing more on MTA
It's sad to see that we barely have any groups left.
So far the only group I see actively playing and contributing is Ancelotti...
Gvardia left for MTA
Luciano disappeared
Sforza met the same fate as Gvardia; Started playing more on MTA
Stracci is in an unknown state
Corleone likewise.
And I don't know about all the others.
It's sad to see that we barely have any groups left.RS5 came..
Stracci is in an unknown state
Corleone likewise.
They can't handle the truth so they come with stupid excuses.
Quote of the day. - Even with statistics in-front of them these excuses still cease to flood the topic :lol:Why should they care about what most people think, I mean when did that ever work? some people like rs5, that's good enough for them, I mean who are you to tell them they're wrong, they're the ones who made the script.. the ones who made both of the scripts. If people not playing the server is good for them let it be like that. Nobody is forcing you to stay here.
This RS5 discussion gives me a headache.Why you even looking at it or bothering to write something about RS5 if it's making you have a headache? Go and type in Google *Life* click on the first answer of Wikipedia and read it and maybe you will understand how to get a one ir atleast what does it mean.
How hard is it to process that more people want RS4 back then resume with RS5?
Why should they care about what most people think, I mean when did that ever work? some people like rs5, that's good enough for them, I mean who are you to tell them they're wrong, they're the ones who made the script.. the ones who made both of the scripts. If people not playing the server is good for them let it be like that. Nobody is forcing you to stay here.
Why you even looking at it or bothering to write something about RS5 if it's making you have a headache? Go and type in Google *Life* click on the first answer of Wikipedia and read it and maybe you will understand how to get a one ir atleast what does it mean.
Like shitting on the community and the development team who spent a lot of time of their lives that you don't even know the definition of it. Stop being ungrateful to forcelly putting your own ideas and whatever you like. Read the second post of my signature and click on it.
I do have a life actually. I'm just spending my spare time saving this community from deluded players like you.
You guys don't get English is the problem Kaze. RS4 is never ever ever coming back unless the demands Gandalf posted are met (400 euros, and must keep 200 player average). Rather than crying for RS4 to come back, which is highly unlikely, then start trying to work with RS5 and make suggestions and legitimate arguments for changes. I myself am writing up suggestions for changes in areas I disagree with that include the economy, fire scripts, the impossible drug system, and even groups. You'll see one posted today.Welcome back Teddy. :app:
It's sad to see that we barely have any groups left.
Gvardia left for MTA
Sforza met the same fate as Gvardia
Stracci is in an unknown state
Corleone likewise.
What do you expect after official status being removed?They were inactive even before RS5 public beta.
Like shitting on the community and the development team who spent a lot of time of their lives that you don't even know the definition of it. Stop being ungrateful to forcelly putting your own ideas and whatever you like. Read the second post of my signature and click on it.
You guys don't get English is the problem Kaze. RS4 is never ever ever coming back unless the demands Gandalf posted are met (400 euros, and must keep 200 player average). Rather than crying for RS4 to come back, which is highly unlikely, then start trying to work with RS5 and make suggestions and legitimate arguments for changes. I myself am writing up suggestions for changes in areas I disagree with that include the economy, fire scripts, the impossible drug system, and even groups. You'll see one posted today.
Quote where I am 'shitting on the community and development team'.And that's what I am doing now. :lol:
What do you expect after official status being removed?
What do you expect after official status being removed?Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.
Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.Exactly ;)
Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.It also shows lack of respect from the HQ, for the contribution these groups made to the server.
Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.Why are you taking this so one sidedly, if someone works for the official status for eight years, building an empire, building relationships stronger than this community within and all of it being ignored because of "lel new script".. there is a difference between having an official status and deserving it. It isn't the act of taking the status, it is the ignorance of the past.
Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.
It also shows lack of respect from the HQ, for the contribution these groups made to the server.
Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.
It also shows lack of respect from the HQ, for the contribution these groups made to the server.
I'm sorry but did you get a PhD in bullshit?
I refuse to acknowledge mikal having a point and I will do everything in my power to reject it.
Sure you can call it lack of respect, none of this would have happened if groups had chosen to make the most of RS5 in regards to activity and being a part of RS5, instead walking off when RS5 beta was released and expecting their properties and ranks to remain.Nobody was forced to beta test it, why would anyone want to play on a glitchy, buggy platform, why would you force anyone upon that, your argument makes no sense as you're saying you want the worst for them.. official groups aren't some sort of slaves, they're something smaller groups should look up to.
As I have stated multiple times now, if groups are able to raise their activity and change their tone we can work on HQs being provided once again along with more assistance.
All that is necessary is for groups to be active, to be respectable to some degree and be a part of RS5 and the return of HQs will be possible.It isn't a time where people come to play, school, work, life, you have taken their statuses unfairly and haven't given them enough time to get back on their feet, some people need time to accept defeat, get back on their feet and regain their power in the city.. what you have done was shoot yourself in the foot, I mean I don't take it personally as I don't even play the game but I find it hilarious how the players lose all interest and respect and than you shove even this into their face.
I would love to give groups their HQs however it's not logical to set group HQs for those that can't be bothered to even play.
I refuse to acknowledge mikal having a point and I will do everything in my power to reject it.
Let me just stop you there, your previous points were crying about how much you miss money and how criminals can only RP with money weapons and fancy fast cars. sooo.. no.
[rant]http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103772.0
I'm sorry but did you get a PhD in bullshit?I dont even know why i bother to answer, if the groups were active and continuing to roleplay why the hell should their official status reviewed?
I would love to see those rules written down by a community leader.
Official statuses weren't taken because of inactivity, they were because of script change, which reffers me to my first point, where did you get your degree?
Criminals have been degraded to the ground in RS5, it's not a challenge , it's so annoying and not even fun.
Criminals are not supposed to be fireman.
Economy is so unbalanced (For 40mins fireman earns 4k, drug dealer earns 400$)
What do you, literally, want the groups to do ? I'm pretty sure they'll work around finding a solution.Be active to begin with, and not just a few members. What i'm talking about is the beaing present on the server and contributing to a positive atmosphere.
you have taken their statuses unfairly and haven't given them enough time to get back on their feetHow is it unfair to give every group the same possibilities?
Nobody was forced to beta test itYou are correct. However, if you did not help us beta test the scripts then you shouldn't complain at all. It would have taken the developers 10 times longer (if not even more) to find all bugs that was found by all those that beta tested the scripts.
official groups aren't some sort of slaves, they're something smaller groups should look up to.You are correct. However, they are supposed to support the staff team and the developers in the work they do.
I refuse to acknowledge mikal having a point and I will do everything in my power to reject it.Good luck with that, i personally think aswell he got a point in it.
Criminals have been degraded to the ground in RS5, it's not a challenge , it's so annoying and not even fun.I understand that. We still got some features planned but the person that was supposed to do it went inactive for several months without finishing it, and everyone else had other tasks on their hands and we didn't get the chance to finish it. Eventually, it will be created and it should provide criminal groups with another source of income. However, what the feature is supposed to be is something i will not disclose for now.
Criminals are not supposed to be fireman.I agree with this. However, to my knowledge, the algorithm that makes the payment was changed to even it out. If it's still a problem, please say so and solutions will be looked into.
Economy is so unbalanced (For 40mins fireman earns 4k, drug dealer earns 400$)
Because you take criminal groups not important, because you dont know to show little respect for their contribution and dedication to the server over years, because you have failed to fulfill ur promises, maybe that's why there is 14 players on Sundays.We do take criminal groups seriously, but see my response above.
Give criminal groups a reason to play.
I agree with this. However, to my knowledge, the algorithm that makes the payment was changed to even it out. If it's still a problem, please say so and solutions will be looked into.With weed, with simple math, you "buy" one gram for around 11$ (200$/grams harvested= ~11) and you sell to 20$/gram ( at this moment, was 24$ before, though). While with heroin, a small package costs 400$, selling it gives you 76$ profit. The heroin, which is more expensive than weed, and finding it is way harder, its price doesn't fit.
With weed, with simple math, you "buy" one gram for around 11$ (200$/grams harvested= ~11) and you sell to 20$/gram ( at this moment, was 24$ before, though). While with heroin, a small package costs 400$, selling it gives you 76$ profit. The heroin, which is more expensive than weed, and finding it is way harder, its price doesn't fit.
I was speaking of the fireman payout algorithm.
When i point on a problem, i also provide a solution. You just need to read carefully and think.
It takes 10minutes for heroin to arrive. It's so annoying, it's such a big waste of time for such a low income + you can get killed, robbed, arrested 10 times.
If you think you would know that the "timer"should be lower, like it was before.
Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)
I dont even know why i bother to answer, if the groups were active and continuing to roleplay why the hell should their official status reviewed?
Common sense is not something magical, status was removed because of groups not being active not because of a new script...
have you at least finished the elementary school?
I hate when people can't realize how wrong they are and it takes me genuine effort to prove them wrong..
The main reason why we have decided this is because RS5 is a fresh start, and we want to follow that path when it comes to groups aswell. As soon as ARUN is up and running, all groups will be closely watched and if we see a group fit the criteria of being offical then we will discuss it.
Another reason is because official groups will have some actual perks ingame aswell from now on. Letting you keep your official status would give you a huge advantage aswell over other groups during this time.
It takes 10minutes for heroin to arrive. It's so annoying, it's such a big waste of time for such a low income + you can get killed, robbed, arrested 10 times.
If you think you would know that the "timer"should be lower, like it was before.
Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)
Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%So people who risk their lives to save civilians and extinguish fires should get paid less than some street rat who can't go 5 minutes without making drugs? Firemen get rewarded by the government, street rats like you get money for being petty.
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)
This is you pointing out things that anyone with half a brain cell's worth of observation skills can see.The moment you call dev team brainless :lol:
So people who risk their lives to save civilians and extinguish fires should get paid less than some street rat who can't go 5 minutes without making drugs? Firemen get rewarded by the government, street rats like you get money for being petty.So people who work illegaly, who are risking their life to be killed, kidnapped, scammed, arrested should have same income as people who do a legal job ? ;)
The moment you call dev team brainless :lol:
If everyone can see, why nothing isnt changing for months.
The moment you call dev team brainless :lol:
If everyone can see, why nothing isnt changing for months.
If everyone can see, why nothing isnt changing for months ?
When i point on a problem, i also provide a solution. You just need to read carefully and think.
i.e
It takes 10minutes for heroin to arrive. It's so annoying, it's such a big waste of time for such a low income + you can get killed, robbed, arrested 10 times.
If you think you would know that the "timer"should be lower, like it was before.
Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)
You want from people to play on unplayable and not fully functional script, well they obviously dont have fun doing that.
You want from people to play on unplayable and not fully functional script, well they obviously dont have fun doing that.
Question remains the same:
You want from people to play on unplayable and not fully functional script, well they obviously dont have fun doing that.
Question remains the same:Complete and utter bullshit. The script has been improved dramatically since it first launched. Yes, there are still a shitload of bugs, but unless you are a scripting god, please refrain from criticising the developers and server managers. They are real people dedicating their free time to us, respect that.
You want from people to play on unplayable and not fully functional script, well they obviously dont have fun doing that.
Complete and utter bullshit. The script has been improved dramatically since it first launched. Yes, there are still a shitload of bugs, but unless you are a scripting god, please refrain from criticising the developers and server managers. They are real people dedicating their free time to us, respect that.Oh it did change. Before you could /purchase an apartment, now you cant even do that :lol:
Oh it did changed. Before you could /purchase an apartment, now you cant even do that :lol:
Oh it did changed. Before you could /purchase an apartment, now you cant even do that :lol:And why do you think that is? Because people tried the command and found a bug. They were productive and constructive by reporting that bug, so the feature was deactivated. Now it is being fixed.
Thank you for admitting that the script is not fully functional and that the players dont like to play on unplayable script.Pretty sure everyone was fully aware of that and it has been mentioned quite a lot of times.. what is your point?
Thank you for admitting that the script is not fully functional and that the players dont like to play on unplayable script.
Pretty sure everyone was fully aware of that and it has been mentioned quite a lot of times.. what is your point?
/me gives a pair of new glasses toAcikaJaka Lah.
Learn to read, and come back when you are able to understand a simple reply.
@Marcel, it was Acika who first pointed out the flaws the loan system had, his topic was locked, on the second topic, the loan system was disabled for the things acika ponted out.
@Marcel, it was Acika who first pointed out the flaws the loan system had, his topic was locked, on the second topic, the loan system was disabled for the things acika ponted out.Thanks Stivi, but we all know that they don't read, that they dont have enough information and that they only want to bullshit on everything i say ;)
Thanks Stivi, but we all know that they don't read, that they dont have enough information and that they only want to bullshit on everything i say ;)
Not true; it was actually Kojak and Reece whom did at first far before Acika knew there was even a loan system.
Not true; it was actually Kojak and Reece whom did at first far before Acika knew there was even a loan system.However, it got disabled when acika reported the flaws. And that's what Gimli said.
Who can't read?You knew it was bugged, you knew it wasnt working properly, you didnt fix it, yet you released it without disabling it.
However, it got disabled when acika reported the flaws. And that's what Gimli said.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=102796.msg1635788#msg1635788What i see is a bug report which was rendered obsolete because the system the report was about was being rewritten. What's your point?
Read b4 accusing him
So how about you stop moaning and start helping the community?Don't you find it just a little double-standard how you want players to start helping a community which was more or less killed by the very hands of your own crew?
What i see is a bug report which was rendered obsolete because the system the report was about was being rewritten. What's your point?Please
Learn to read, and come back when you are able to understand a simple reply.
PS: The moment you get owned by ur own quote :lol:
Funny. He isn't wrong. Gimli was planning on rewriting the loan system before your post. Since looking at the timestamps that was after I left and his plan to rewrite started before I left. So..Was planning, but didnt do before my report.
Don't you find it just a little double-standard how you want players to start helping a community which was more or less killed by the very hands of your own crew?Hint: It's not MY server, it's not MY crew. Heck, i don't even volunteer for a position in the RPG server. Get your facts straight and be grateful for a change.
The moaning might not make things any better, but these complaints were only an outcome of the way you chose to form your server. And yeah, you won't bring back RS4, just know that a huge pile of the weight is on you when you look at the server and see lack of activity. Don't blame the players for not joining what you ruined.
Was planning, but didnt do before my report.
So he pretty much got owned by his own words.
When did he start? Exact date and time pls. Oh.. your talking out your ass again? Lovely. Your wrong, again.He made some quick changes after my report, but since it again didnt work out he disabled it untill it's fully working.
Oh.. you're talking out your ass again? Lovely. You're wrong, again.
It's just pointless arguing with you.
GTA San Andreas took about two years from announcement until release, and that game turned out pretty awesome, huh?But Rockstars released fully functional and playable game, which RS5 is not and it didnt turn out pretty awesome, huh ;)
But Rockstars released fully functional and playable game, which RS5 is not and it didnt turn out pretty awesome, huh ;)Did you maybe forget that Rockstar released a huge patch a few months after the release of GTA:SA? Sound system that was crashing, lacking support for higher resolutions, OS updates causing save folder issues and dual monitor issues.
But Rockstars released fully functional and playable game, which RS5 is not and it didnt turn out pretty awesome, huh ;)
How came everyone left the server when Gandalf went off too ;)Most of them were online before he was.
Funny how you accuse me of being nothing but a constant talker, because the only thing you are doing right now aside from complaining about the system is sitting back and waiting for things to unfold. That's what you are doing.Well, tell me then Mr. Argonath Messiah, what the fuck would you like for us to do? Want us to go get our 4 players that'll willingly rejoin SA:MP with fuckall, which I don't really give a flying fuck about, and roleplay with pretend outside criminal groups since there's hardly any criminal group activity (we don't need players when they can simply be roleplayed)? Want us to go get new players from other sources? No thank you, and no, I'm not becoming a fucking server salesman. JDC, if our very presence could make some damn miracle that SUDDENLY cause players to flood into the server, we would have done it. Our presence on the server (or lack of) has NO direct effect on the server's state, contrary to what you keep insisting in order to put us down.
I believe the idea is for an official group to show that they are continuing to work in the present, rather than taking a laurel from the past and sitting on it forever, while expecting rewards to continue coming in.I believe this idea is a big fat 'go fuck yourself' to us and the other official groups, considering what was said and promised to us before the advent of RS5. But I guess breaking promises and constantly having changes of mind without notifying those whom it pertains to is perfectly acceptable and totally our fault for being frustrated, right? We poured out our heart and soul into the server and our groups, and look what we fucking got in return - piss in the eye and shit in the mouth.
This is NOT a solution. This is you pointing out things that anyone with half a brain cell's worth of observation skills can see.Here you go again with your condescending and putting people down to feel better about your insecurities and lack of true conviction behind your glittering words... you could have simply told him that it isn't a solution, then the second half of the post without saying someone is doing a better job than him. Why do you feel the need to constantly judge peoples brains as if yours were the standard to which all others are compared? Stop being so damn rude all the time.
I'm talking about making an actual plan, discussing the dynamics, a roadmap for possible implementation, etc. Teddy is doing a better job at it than you are.
Now tell me, what will help solve the problem more? Mere complaining, or playing and proposing solutions? If you cannot answer this question correctly, then you should reconsider why you are not getting anywhere.How about you answer it? :)
It's okay though, because clearly we were not welcome back in RS5 - Promises were made to us, only for us to be thrown right under the damn bus again and again... We had more than enough of it, and decided to let all of this swirling horse shit blow over without us having to deal with it. I feel like you're just mad because we don't want to stand in the middle of the horse shit tornado with you. We are not required to deal with the Argonath SA:MP community's BS, so we simply chose not to, since obviously we are no longer relevant around here. We're taking a break and allowing those who are able to fix the problems fix them (*tips hat to Teddy*)... I didn't know you guys missed us that much.
I believe this idea is a big fat 'go f**k yourself' to us and the other official groups, considering what was said and promised to us before the advent of RS5. But I guess breaking promises and constantly having changes of mind without notifying those whom it pertains to is perfectly acceptable and totally our fault for being frustrated, right? We poured out our heart and soul into the server and our groups, and look what we f**king got in return - piss in the eye and shit in the mouth.
Here you go again with your condescending and putting people down to feel better about your insecurities and lack of true conviction behind your glittering words... you could have simply told him that it isn't a solution, then the second half of the post without saying someone is doing a better job than him. Why do you feel the need to constantly judge peoples brains as if yours were the standard to which all others are compared? Stop being so damn rude all the time.
How about you answer it? :)
we did NOT leave because we lost our official status.It's not a rumour, one of your Gvardia buddies said so himself.
It's not a rumour, one of your Gvardia buddies said so himself.It is a rumor, it just so happens that a Gvardia member (who so happens to not hold any position of power) said it. And I, a Gvardia leader, have thoroughly explained.
bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla blaSorry what? I do not recall being a hater of Gvardia.
I would love to hear what these "promises" were about and who made these promises as I have yet to hear a single thing about them but simply hear that "promises were broken".Check skype.
Lets accept it, We need them.
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Lets accept it, We need them.
I hope though, that all groups will earn their respect on the right way. What I wish is that there will be little to no bloodshed for the most inane reasons(ex: provocations) and that the activities will hold impact: Such as schemes for corruption, white-collar crimes, cartels and rings of contraband...All of the good white-collar crimes are bannable.
All of the good white-collar crimes are bannable.
Sorry what? I do not recall being a hater of Gvardia.Looks like April Fools came earlier around this year.
All of the good white-collar crimes are bannable.
Typical white-collar crimes include fraud, bribery, Ponzi schemes, insider trading, embezzlement, cybercrime, copyright infringement, money laundering, identity theft, and forgery.At least it's different than the everyday blue-collar crimes which apparently remain popular... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-collar_crime)
So roleplaying is bannable? As much of the "White-collar" crimes are roleplaying, you don't need to death match, and start wars between family's to have fun.You took me way out of context there, brah.
At least it's different than the everyday blue-collar crimes which apparently remain popular... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-collar_crime)Ponzi scheming is namely one that may be bannable, considering my experiences here.
Ponzi scheming is namely one that may be bannable, considering my experiences here.I can agree.
This topic's name is "let's get real," so let's get real. Criminal groups are not able to "raise their activity and change their tone" since they do not exist any more. The reset removed everything that made a group a criminal group. Buildings are just some small part of that.Great explanation. Cheers mate.
I think that it is important to understand that not even one group today possess all the qualities of a criminal group. Now, all we have here are just some people who were previously known to be members or leaders of criminals group.
Since criminals groups are no longer criminal groups, it is quite normal to remove their official status. After all, they are no longer Mafias or gangs in any way. They are not motivated to continue or rebuild, so it's understandable if it doesn't happen.
It was actually a great idea to get rid of the whole "official group" concept here since it may take a year or two for a new powerful criminal group to emerge. And that may not happen at all since being a law-abiding fireman may become more prestigious and rewarding than being a mobster.
I honestly think that this situation is quite healthy for the community. Look at it this way: the needs of ARFD have been neglected for way too long; now, it is the time for them to steal the spotlight and continue their successful journey. There's no need to look at RS5 in a negative way: any situation leads to some advantages.
Finally, any statements regarding criminal groups "bailing out" are inappropriate since de facto these groups don't exist any more. By all means, if you wish to accuse a non-existent group of present problems – go ahead and do so. That must be fun.
This core functionality being removed has changed the game mode again translating to players leaving.Our prominent player base with veterans, splendid roleplayers and excellent writers had already gone missing before RS5 turned public and widely open.
This isn't an option, you saying that we should just leave and do nothing about the new system instead of help and suggest ideas to make RS5 more suitable for the players? Please... get real.It's your choice,I just gave some ideas for people who
can't stand RS5returning RS4 is as logical as this. :rolleyes:
You're all saying how GOOD RS5 is but no one has the balls to show up.No one?
Who thought to release RS5 so early probably has mental problems.
Who thought to release RS5 so early probably has mental problems.
Same goes for JDC, you people shouldn't give 2 percent f**k about Gvardia, since you claim you're Argonath's soldiers, yet you're acting here like the subject is Gvardia.
Anyone who feels bad about the state the server is in would do best to go in and play instead of talking about it.
As long as all people do is talk here, nothing is going to change.
Bro, I have lost MILLIONS of $$$, I got f**ked in the ass by many times by random players, I have lost THREE FACTIONS (i9-left), (TGG-got f**ked), and (BSM-my lovely faction <3. But same reason, I got f**ked here to.) And also; when I was leading BSM back in 2012; guess what ? Since I started this faction till I closed it, I have PLAYED with 40 f**kin K. Am I unique or what ? And even NOW, people asking me:''Bro, when you gonna come back with BSM ?'' ''Bro, that was da shit, we want BSM back!!'' I cared less of economical shit, and putted my heart in what I have done. And what do I need to do now ? Quit after all of this ? Do I need to cut my vains because of a funking reset of the system/script ? No. I am still here and simultaneously looking for roleplayers to open a new faction. Hell with economical system, I know that I'll take care of it.
Personally I don't judge anyone but, put yourself in our shoes for one time.(directed to those outside of groups) You haven't lost most attractive properties on server from hotels to ammu-nations.. or a seven year old HQ.
Perhaps you should go outside from time to time, PC is really annoying you. That's what you're capable of, talking in this way infront of a computer.
*unproductive complaints without any proposed solution*
Lol. :lol:
Yes, and Gvardia is the joke. :)Nah, Gvardia was there much longer before you started getting banned for flaming Muslims on the servers. :(
Nah, Gvardia was there much longer before you started getting banned for flaming Muslims on the servers. :(And now I remember when I moved into SF; My first encounter with the Gvardias was with me hanging out of a window.
Yup, you.Ha ha ha. No mate I ain't funny.
Not one member of Administration has selected Rs4 when it's the majority vote, Seems they're not allowed an opinion as an admin.
Not one member of Administration has selected Rs4 when it's the majority vote, Seems they're not allowed an opinion as an admin.Just so you know, even members of the administration team (hell even a developer does) have some different opinions on RS5. But instead of going back to the past, they prefer improving on RS5 and therefore are actually suggesting ideas (read ideas, not demands) unlike some who just sit, complain and give no ideas that may make RS5 better for other players.
Just so you know, The newest and latest isnt always the best, you could even end up f**king stuff up. Every Game developer has the same attitude but it doesn't always work out the best that's all im saying. There's alot of hope towards RS5 but not much Fact.Who said the newest and latest is always the best? THAT IS why people who wish RS5 to improve suggest ideas instead of complaining.
24pages full of players which wants RS4 back and nobody gives a f**k.Why did they want rs5, when they were in rs4? and the script is better than rs4.
oh wait,that's not official :v:
Not one member of Administration has selected Rs4 when it's the majority vote, Seems they're not allowed an opinion as an admin.
I'm not complaining im stating the obvious.
Just so you know, even members of the administration team (hell even a developer does) have some different opinions on RS5. But instead of going back to the past, they prefer improving on RS5 and therefore are actually suggesting ideas (read ideas, not demands) unlike some who just sit, complain and give no ideas that may make RS5 better for other players.
I'm not complaining im stating the obvious.Doesn't help stating the obvious.
jdc i hate your hostile attitude with a passion.
And i haven't seen 1 scripter in game the last 3 days.
I'm the topic now?, shits never going to get done at this rate.
Okay then as you can see the obvious so fine. You agree with me then that admins don't have a voice and will sit beg and rollover?, no disrespect to admins.
Real patriotic of you JDC best get working alot of shit to do.
Okay then as you can see the obvious so fine. You agree with me then that admins don't have a voice and will sit, beg and rollover?, no disrespect to admins.You are lucky that I don't want to post today's chatlog here. I should brake my * key to censor your ''opinion'' about me,Gruia,SAPD and USA :uhm:
Real patriotic of you JDC best get working alot of shit to do.
You're the type of person who has an answer to everything, and will only push your narrow minded agenda, fair to say you don't give two shits about anyones opinions on here, only your egotistical comments.I ever said I am better than someone else? You notice forum rank rather than ''Regular''? I expressed my opinion? And no,I don't have answer for everything,some people keep surprising me like New Year gift in June! :eek:
( I couldn't care how many forum posts or what rank you are. you're not better than anyone else lol )
You're the type of person who has an answer to everything, and will only push your narrow minded agenda, fair to say you don't give two shits about anyones opinions on here, only your egotistical comments.
( I couldn't care how many forum posts or what rank you are. you're not better than anyone else lol )
Alex im talking to JDC lol :DLOL,I recognized myself in this :lol:
This topic's name is "let's get real," so let's get real. Criminal groups are not able to "raise their activity and change their tone" since they do not exist any more. The reset removed everything that made a group a criminal group. Buildings are just some small part of that.Well said.
I think that it is important to understand that not even one group today possess all the qualities of a criminal group. Now, all we have here are just some people who were previously known to be members or leaders of criminals group.
Since criminals groups are no longer criminal groups, it is quite normal to remove their official status. After all, they are no longer Mafias or gangs in any way. They are not motivated to continue or rebuild, so it's understandable if it doesn't happen.
It was actually a great idea to get rid of the whole "official group" concept here since it may take a year or two for a new powerful criminal group to emerge. And that may not happen at all since being a law-abiding fireman may become more prestigious and rewarding than being a mobster.
I honestly think that this situation is quite healthy for the community. Look at it this way: the needs of ARFD have been neglected for way too long; now, it is the time for them to steal the spotlight and continue their successful journey. There's no need to look at RS5 in a negative way: any situation leads to some advantages.
Finally, any statements regarding criminal groups "bailing out" are inappropriate since de facto these groups don't exist any more. By all means, if you wish to accuse a non-existent group of present problems – go ahead and do so. That must be fun.
That's not good alex, you don't want to be like JDC. :D
JDC dont talk crap your ego is through the roof and everyone can see it's not hard to spot.
You want to be the star of the show whatever the topic.
Even if 'we' improve RS5, the amount of players will not increase. The main reason is that most of them completely lost their motivation. So you're striving for nothing.
But that's kinda hard for your mind since you're a no-lifer.(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/397/625/be7.jpg)
Then someone should step in and do something.People are already doing that. The HQ is working their fastest to implement the rest of the missing roadmap, and developers/admins/players (excluding the moaneers) are working and suggesting useful ideas. It's not the final solution, but it's a step; only someone naive would think that this entire situation can be fixed in a snap.
Lol, are you serious? We are talking about a game here, stop mixing IRL with a game. But that's kinda hard for your mind since you're a no-lifer.Can't be bothered to give the "I do Argonath in my spare time" explanation, but I could point out that you lack the common sense to see that I was not just talking about IRL or Argonath, but everywhere.
Discussing with you hurts my value. ;)
And they say I'm the egotistical one. :roll:
glad im not the only one ;)
<Lots of crap about RS5 and administration members.>
I'm sorry it wont happen again I really like rs5:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:That's nothing man. :rofl:
So let me guess, you're contributing? Lol, I don't really see you doing anything except asslicking.Asslicking? Since when talking about the right thing is ass licking?
Says the banevader. (http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)
Khm, go take care care of your cows.I already took care of them and it's the time to make those who shit on the community cry. Between, who the hell are you? You just came from nowhere and searching for a place to argue....
Things live and then they die. Argonath has lived most of its life-span and is on the verge of losing most of its community, if not already. Get over it, go play another game.Argonath isn't only SA:MP.
Argonath isn't only SA:MP.
What are you contribuing with?
Things live and then they die. Argonath has lived most of its life-span and is on the verge of losing most of its community, if not already. Get over it, go play another game.
VC:MP which has almost no players anyway. You got MTA:VC with literally 0 players, you got SA:MP with 5-20 players, MTA:SA with 5-10 and IV:MP with 32 players most of the time. Yep, sounds about alive to me.IV:MP is 32/32 not 32/200
And what are you doing to help revitalize this community aside from being a doomsayer?
IV:MP is 32/32 not 32/200
SAMP - outdated
MTA:SA - Inactive legends
VC - outdated grandma
Hey, thanks captain obvious! I never said IV:MP had a 200 player slot.You're welcome arguments legend! Re-read what you said and try to get the point of what you said.
I'm currently doing nothing as I don't even play SA:MP often anymore and have moved on to games I find more entertaining. You clearly seem to not be able to just let go of something.
Says the banevader. (http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)Banevader? Dang it, another thing I don't know about myself.
It's rather apparent that many of those throwing negative accusations and claims have yet to play or even register an account within RS5 by the looks of the comments.
I don't understand why you claim RS5 is so bad yet you don't even play so what's the point of making remarks?
If you actually put the time wasted on complaining into helping perhaps it would be something you would enjoy.
I guess some entertain themselves by complaining and being cynical about anything and everything.
Thanks for spending time to reply to many nonsense replies on this topic.Well it's better to see it happen than read about it, why not give them time.
The underlying solution still remains yet to be seen.
As requested earlier - can the management please share their strategy to remediate the challenges RS5 faces?
As requested earlier - can the management please share their strategy to remediate the challenges RS5 faces?...So we all suggest things and the moaning ends ?
It's rather apparent that many of those throwing negative accusations and claims have yet to play or even register an account within RS5 by the looks of the comments.Actually most did play and did not enjoy it, that's why we're here now...
I don't understand why you claim RS5 is so bad yet you don't even play so what's the point of making remarks?
If you actually put the time wasted on complaining into helping perhaps it would be something you would enjoy.
I guess some entertain themselves by complaining and being cynical about anything and everything.
It's rather apparent that many of those throwing negative accusations and claims have yet to play or even register an account within RS5 by the looks of the comments.Trust me, if RS4 was still here, they will argue how RS5 public beta is and why it took time to be released. People think only no-sensee they will never learn even if you did what ever they want. They are just here to slow down the progress/grow up of a project.
I don't understand why you claim RS5 is so bad yet you don't even play so what's the point of making remarks?
If you actually put the time wasted on complaining into helping perhaps it would be something you would enjoy.
I guess some entertain themselves by complaining and being cynical about anything and everything.
(those who remain amounting to 4, as per your claim)Incorrect. I made the claim that there are only four players that I can willingly get to play SA:MP (i.e., play SA:MP or kick), not just four active members. This is due to intense dissatisfaction with RS5, nothing more. I put no blame on the fault of the developers, however if the shoe fits the foot, they are free to lace it up.
Actually most did play and did not enjoy it, that's why we're here now...Isn't that right that it has been released only 50% of RC5 ?...
The question is if RS5 can be fixed, how will it be?
As requested earlier - can the management please share their strategy to remediate the challenges RS5 faces?This is assuming that they care to do so.
Isn't that right that it has been released only 50% of RC5 ?...I'm trying to understand what the fuq did you say :rage:
Not surprised to see RS4 still leading..Polls never matter, regardless of overwhelming support.
I just wish it mattered. :cry:
Polls never matter, regardless of overwhelming support.Welcome to the internet!
You guys are vouching to revert our current gamemode which is finally stable to a unstable, laggy, buggy and boring to the bone one. I might as well leave Argonath then. The only way I'm ever agreeing to this is that if RS4 faces a full reset upon downgrading, I'm more than certain most of you wouldn't want RS4 back anymore.. You guys are so greedy.. Seriously..WTF? How are we greedy? You're gonna leave argonath if we revert back to RS4? Look at all the fucks that are being given! Also, thats just your opinion with the "laggy and unstable gamemode".
WTF? How are we greedy? You're gonna leave argonath if we revert back to RS4? Look at all the f**ks that are being given! Also, thats just your opinion with the "laggy and unstable gamemode".
Also, thats just your opinion with the "laggy and unstable gamemode".
Just to make it clear:
RS1: Was built with the PEN1 script as example, I rewrote about 70%$ to fit it within our ideas and to learn how scripting works.
RS2: Built from scratch for the SA:MP 0.2 release. Unfortunately it was too 'heavy' and advanced for the SA:MP release and could not hold more than 20 players, the amount that beta tested.
RS3: Rewritten and tuned down version of RS2. I learned how to reduce script size and manage memory. In the end it contained 90% of RS2 with only 60% of the script size and using 40% of the RS2 memory.
RS4: Was actually equal to RS3, however instead of making one large script I separated it in to filterscripts, making it possible for multiple scripters to work on the project.
RS4.1: Debugged version of RS4, overhauled by CFBASI and David_Omid mainly. Once they stopped, Conroy and Gimli did the maintenance and added functionality.
RS4.1 has the issue of an outdated file system that places limits on many things. It is based on the system designed for RS3, and if done today I would not make it the same.
Due to its design it is prone to script lag, making it impossible for more as 200 players. However for a single game mode to survive for 6 years is pretty unique, even if we expected to have it replaced about 1 year earlier.
RS5 has a new database design made by UML standards. As a result the database design is ahead of current SA:MP limitations and is built to last. That means we do not look at any type of major reset for the coming 5 to 10 years.
Oh. Okay, let me clear something up to you: The reason why RS4 crashed so often and lagspikes happened and why pings were unbearable was because of the way the gamemode was written, it's developer confirmed.I like how you assume right away that i want my property and money back. What if i told you that its just a game and i really didn't lose anything to start with. They did work their asses off for RS5, do denying that but look at all the people who just dont like it. Also if RS4 WOULD revert giving money and assets back isn't confirmed. And you think they didn't work hard for RS4? You think it just appeared from nowhere? Also, what does who i am have to do with anything here. -___-.
Yes, you are greedy, because you want to sacrifice something that developers were working long and hard on for getting your money back (You all are crying to restore RS4 with latest database, which means peoples money and assets being returned), RS5 provides an opportunity for other groups and mafias to rise and actually have a fair fight, because everyone starts from beggining, while in RS4 new criminal groups and other groups would be dealt with by the veteran ones. This is nothing more than greed, oh and believe me, peopel would care a lot more if I left than you think.. Who the hell are you anyways
Seems a lot of people need to learn how to development history.Funny how you just jump into the argument out of the blue. Sorry, you're not worth the effort. I need to learn about development history? Here's a question i'm dying to see you answer; Why would i care about it?
Funny how you just jump into the argument out of the blue. Sorry, you're not worth the effort. I need to learn about development history? Here's a question i'm dying to see you answer; Why would i care about it?
So you would know why gamemodes work in certain ways and why some changes are best made, and be able to make an actual informed opinion instead of one that is ignorant of the facts.Well, excuse me for not knowing everything. Ignorant of the facts? I already said you're not worth it, and thats exactly it; not worth it.
Well, excuse me for not knowing everything. Ignorant of the facts?
LOL dudes a year older than me and thinks he's Albert Einstein.So you go around insulting people and expect administrators to not punish you, begging for unbans.
Seems the only friend he has is google.
I might be a version off, but am fairly certain it was RS3, not many from back then who can confirm so anyone who was please do.Indeed, RS3 - RS4 was a reset.
Wise one, touchy. Even tho you're the one here who is hungry for the spotlight and arguments AND seem to have a answer to everything. Here's a way to find a "wise one", look into the mirror. I'm drawing the line here. I got stuff that's actually worth my time and effort to do. So if you notice me not responding that's called ignoring, wise one.
Totally agreed.
Can someone tell me when the last economic reset was?
I believe this is the first one since RS1 started.
Also, when was RS1 launched and when was the decomissioning of RS5?
If you cannot even get your members (those who remain amounting to 4, as per your claim) to play anymore, then that is an issue on your part as a group, and not the fault of the developers.Look, I'm not against exactly against RS5 but let's be honest here - that's just not true.
It was your own fault that you released RS5 so earlier while it was still under construction.That is factually incorrect.
But that's kinda hard for your mind since you're a no-lifer.dat projecting
it appears that the typical "don't like it, leave" and attitude is still hanging around
along with "stop moaning" being the typical response to any complaints that are made with good intents in mindWhy change a 7 year tradition? :)
Sorry JDC I forgot how mature you are dedicating your life to a video game, Shame you cant turn those 12000 posts into £12,000 that would be something eh.I don't mean to be a dick, but you literally deal drugs and defraud the government to generate income. You even consider this a long term career, for f**k's sake.
Can someone tell me when the last economic reset was?November ~21st 2007, for RS2 to RS3.
Look, I'm not against exactly against RS5 but let's be honest here - that's just not true.
I don't mean to be a dick, but you literally deal drugs and defraud the government to generate income. You even consider this a long term career, for f**k's sake.Christ, that explains a lot.
RS5 comes along, and this happens. What's up with that? Maybe people just like shooting people more than spraying fires in Grand Theft Auto, you know?The irony was that they kept complaining quite often about people shooting people... :balance:
Why you're not active on it, then?Because I live in another country with an internet connection made by an invalid and slightly retarded hippopotamus. Otherwise I would be at least semi-active. But that does not take away the fact in my previous post.
I'm surprised nobody's angry about the fact that RS4 wasn't regularly backed up despite the fact that we regularly receive attacks from our biggest "fans."There were back-ups though, I believe.
I'm surprised nobody's angry about the fact that RS4 wasn't regularly backed up despite the fact that we regularly receive attacks from our biggest "fans."
As I'm sure you know we'd only recently switched host; as far as I'm aware a backup system was not readily available like on the previous host.AFAIK the backups were in the same place as the "new" data was due to switching host and then became the darkness and 4 months of data (AND BACKUP) was lost.
Also... DDOS attacks don't destroy data either; no other attack which has taken place has created such a breach in which data outside of the web host would have been compromised either.
Argonath SA:MP is dead.
If players decided to make the most of RS5 in-game as certain groups are doing things would be different.Indeed, Kolta is thriving on this, making a better Roleplay experience out of it instead of saying things like SAMP is dead.
All thanks to people following your mindset.
If players decided to make the most of RS5 in-game as certain groups are doing things would be different.
Argonath SA:MP is dead.SAMP isn't only RPG and no it's not dead.
How can we make the most of something that is terribly bad and badly thought-through. Not to mention being released in like Alpha stages.
improve the situation by coming up with a proper idea to make EVERYBODY happy
I got told that people are inactive because of exams.Yes like me.
I got told that people are inactive because of exams.
Yes, 110 people are very busy in school at the moment.You forgot people that are still celebrating New Year and Christmas.
Maybe removing the jurisdiction system for a while. At the current playerbase, I really think it's not needed. Maybe at a later time, instead of scripting it, SAPD would force their members to stick to one jurisdiction. Pretty sure Paul ( and maybe others ) did it once.
Allowing players to choose their jurisdiction would be better, and even SAPD command members hate the current jurisdiction script as it is now.Gratz :lol:
By forcibly assigning cops in a random manner, it effectively kills off all "city departments" and location-specific police sub-groups within the SAPD. These police sub-factions actually promoted a sort of healthy inter-"department" competition within the old SAPD and increased productivity.
Letting cops choose their jurisdiction would be a compromise between retaining the jurisdiction features and allowing cops to get the job they wanted.
EDIT: Happy 13,000th to myself :bananav:
(The algorithim to determine which juridisiction meeds more c0ps is something I do not know. :janek:)It should go how many "incidents" happen in a given area.
I don't like the thing that /resetspawn is not there,useful for gangs,families,mafias to spawn at their HQ.
The fire mission should last longer,it's too easy to make much money(10k for 3mins if you do it alone).
I'm not sure,I didn't play much as a cop but they should get their old payment , like 600$ per kill and 800$ to jail him.The suspect should get fined ,if he gets killed, with 1000$ and when he surrenders and goes to jail,he should be fined with 500$ or 400$.
Drug thing, most of the spots should be the old spots for both,heroin and weed.
I don't like the things with containers wtf...the /invent should get back to the old one,that one was perfect.
I think we should poll RS5 vs Grand Larceny. That way the votes will be a little closer together :gand:
I think we should poll RS5 vs Grand Larceny. That way the votes will be a little closer together :gand:
I think we should poll RS5 vs Grand Larceny. That way the votes will be a little closer together :gand:http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=86639.0
I like how you assume right away that i want my property and money back. What if i told you that its just a game and i really didn't lose anything to start with. They did work their asses off for RS5, do denying that but look at all the people who just dont like it. Also if RS4 WOULD revert giving money and assets back isn't confirmed. And you think they didn't work hard for RS4? You think it just appeared from nowhere? Also, what does who i am have to do with anything here. -___-.
Funny how you just jump into the argument out of the blue. Sorry, you're not worth the effort. I need to learn about development history? Here's a question i'm dying to see you answer; Why would i care about it?
I need to learn about development history? Here's a question i'm dying to see you answer; Why would i care about it?
Also, thats just your opinion with the "laggy and unstable gamemode".
I'm not sure if there was a reset during RS3->RS4 or not.
I can't recall for sure, but I remember the first day of RS4 with people going around in order to buy vehicles (with the first RS4 Vehicle system with specified cars around the map, buy-able and trade-able later..) There were like 2 sultans back then, owned by Cofi & Nitrox, and in order to do that, I believe there was no ecomonic reset..
Question.
Why was my post deleted?
1. When are we going to be able to buy stuff in 24/7?
2. When are we going to be able to take loans?
3. When are we going to be able to buy vehicles without getting them bugged?
AlexBrooks, you're welcome to discuss your matter with some ARPD Leader over Forum PM, this is not the place to make complaints.
P.s. Next time you managers+ delete a post at least say a reason why it got deleted. :)
AlexBrooks, you're welcome to discuss your matter with some ARPD Leader over Forum PM, this is not the place to make complaints.
but from what I've seen from logging on and exploring for about an hour, I think things in RS5 are complicated in a pretty good way. I noticed a couple posts complaining about bugs and whatnot, but shouldn't bugs be expected by now?
This is how a real veteran would think. :app:said JDC only because he agrees
said JDC only because he agrees
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Too bad it doesn't matter.
Unfortunately it's not as simple as just turning RS4 on when it comes to the details behind it all.
I know that, but still.
Things will get addressed or changed one way or another, all I am saying for now.
And will that take another year or two?
[21:19:31] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) rs5 sucks a big erect f*cking cock
[21:18:33] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) f*cking idiot
[21:18:37] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) rs5 sucks big time
[21:16:55] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) rs5 sucks d*ck
A nice way to express ''good'' feelings about RS5:
You took that out of context... but i apreaciate your effort.It's on the same topic,for the same thing and concept! I know you don't want to see this here...this is the life.
Dont get me wrong i love to see this here. But dont put me next to zlatan... we had different opinions and we were treated different ways. Also you can put JDC who claims i said much more other bullshit but hey, this is life we attack others and protect the ones we like !You supported Zlatan,I remember. JDC was disputing with you both instead of ignoring you which is a mistake in my opinion...
Where can i find the chat ? I can update my arguments.
Let's get down to Business B*tch's,
We all know it will not change anything just make it worst we know SA:MP Argoanth RPG server is in a difficult situation and critics is even worst, if you want a old Script Always crashing and with 95% chance of not working in the new SA:MP that is being released in a few months (9.3z). RS5 is a new Script build form the 0 making opportunities to all the Gangs/Mafias and Non Official Groups to become one. It is a complete new script with new help methods OFC there is missing scripts but the Developers are doing all that they can and doing critics will only make them lose their spirit to continue wasting their time for use. We still can put Gangstaz all across the streets we still can do kidnaps we can still RP we can still play in the home of Drive By's and we still have love for the streets we cans still sell drugs and get arrested. We cans still be fireman's, medics, mechanics, Drive fancy cars represent your clan. And we still got love for Argonath so relax the scripts that you so want are committing back just be calm and relax. Think that RS5.1 will be a mix with RS4 and RS5. That's why this is The UNITED States of Argonath.
Bring RS4 NOW!
I agree with some you said there but still rs5 isnt as good as expected.
(all the important parts:)[21:10:48] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) rs5 SUCKS DICK
[21:10:52] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) sry
[21:10:55] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) i had to
[21:11:00] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) true story it does
[21:11:21] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) Why not say that when admins are online?
[21:11:29] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i would
[21:11:34] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) but when admins on
[21:11:37] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) when gandalf on
[21:11:44] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) if he ever comes on
[21:12:17] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i dont know if sr5 is an upgrade or a downgrade
[21:16:31] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) yes
[21:16:35] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) rs5 sucks dick
[21:17:27] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) and i see the guy saying "rs5 sucks dick"
[21:17:30] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) so i say true story
[21:17:45] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) i did say rs5 sucks dick
[21:17:47] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) because it does
[21:17:55] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) 99 percent of server died
[21:18:06] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) No jdc
[21:18:07] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) ur mother
[21:18:09] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) jdc stop saying bullshit you have no point
[21:18:14] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) f**king idiot
[21:18:17] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) rs5 sucks big time
[21:18:39] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) zlatan says rs5 sucks dick then i say "true story"
[21:18:45] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) rs5 sucks dick
[21:18:49] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) everyone agrees
[21:19:12] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) rs5 sucks a big erect f**king cock
[21:19:31] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) lol janek is a joke
[21:19:44] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) first zlatan says "rs5 sucks big dick" then i say "true story it does" now jdc thinks that i
[21:19:49] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) said even if it was 1000 years ago
[21:19:52] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) freestyler
[21:19:54] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) f**k jdc
[21:20:04] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) idk why u give a f**k about it ......
[21:20:30] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) lol go cry
[21:20:43] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i am here because i like this server
[21:20:44] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) they ruined the server with shitty rs5
[21:20:48] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i like the idea it was built around
[21:20:53] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) ok?
[21:21:04] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) who the f**k is jdc
[21:21:09] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) hes a f**king pric
[21:21:10] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) if im against rs5 it doesnt mean im against all the server since 2007
[21:21:12] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) kiddie
[21:21:18] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) rs5 sucks dick
[21:21:21] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) not the server
[21:21:38] Zlatan_Capone(0) says: rs5
[21:21:39] Zlatan_Capone(0) says: suck
[21:21:40] Zlatan_Capone(0) says: dick
[21:22:23] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) it sucks big dick
[21:22:25] {FFFFFF}James_Ancelotti{FFFFFF}: (5) Why are you playing then?
[21:22:31] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) shut up pls
[21:22:35] {FFFFFF}James_Ancelotti{FFFFFF}: (5) If you don't f**king like it,
[21:22:36] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) because i have no where other to complain about shitty rs5
[21:22:43] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) it doesnt mean i have to like rs5
[21:22:54] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) jdc i didnt insult you
[21:23:08] {FFFFFF}James_Ancelotti{FFFFFF}: (5) Insulting RS5
[21:23:10] {FFFFFF}James_Ancelotti{FFFFFF}: (5) Means insutling us
[21:23:12] {FFFFFF}James_Ancelotti{FFFFFF}: (5) the players
[21:23:14] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) Propose a solution, or shut your moaning. Now step up or shut up.
[21:23:15] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) no
[21:23:17] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) jdc can you pls stop throwing things i didnt say at me?
[21:23:17] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) but if ure that stupid
[21:23:18] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) then ok
[21:23:43] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) FreeStyler, you just said all the loyal players at the moment suck dick.
[21:23:47] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) RS5 will not be RS5 without us.
[21:23:50] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) omfg
[21:23:51] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) You insult this server, you insult us.
[21:23:52] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) jdc suck dick
[21:23:54] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) pls jdc pls stop
[21:24:03] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) stop throwing things i never said at me
[21:24:03] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) ok?
[21:24:09] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) jdc ur a faggot
[21:24:12] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) You know what needs to stop? Both of you bullshitting around here.
[21:24:17] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) stop saying hes insulting and shit
[21:24:26] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) maybe i am
[21:24:28] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) but ur a pussy
[21:24:32] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) big time
[21:24:45] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) whats he gonna do
[21:24:46] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) suck my dick?
[21:24:59] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) jdc if you want i can insult you and insult the server
[21:25:04] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) if you really want that
[21:25:11] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) but i didnt do it yet
[21:25:19] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) so stop throwing things i didnt say at me ok?
[21:25:38] {FFFFFF}James_Ancelotti{FFFFFF}: (5) Freestyler, stop repeating your statements
[21:25:44] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i cant
[21:25:54] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) jdc wont understand
[21:25:57] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) Yeah... say that RS5 sucks dick and you are saying that you did not insult us?
[21:26:01] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) Get some logic.
[21:26:05] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) jdc=rs5
[21:26:07] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) great logic
[21:26:12] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) did you develop it or something
[21:26:20] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) do you own it?
[21:26:32] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) I play on RS5, as do all the other players here now.
[21:26:32] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) jdc
[21:26:35] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) ur stupid as f**k
[21:26:39] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) im the one that saaid that
[21:26:40] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) not him
[21:26:50] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) but he agrees tho
[21:26:52] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) You're calling me stupid and you cannot even spell right. Oh the irony.
[21:26:52] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) so does everyone else
[21:26:53] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) RS5 SUCKS
[21:27:01] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) im too tired to spell right
[21:27:03] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) i dont give a f**k
[21:27:09] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) spelling is for pussies
[21:27:20] Leon_Arallian(7) has logged into the server.
[21:27:35] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) Oh hi Leon, I have some lovely screenshots for you.
[21:27:39] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) we were just talking about rs5
[21:27:40] <Leon_Arallian> (7) I know of them JDC.
[21:27:44] <Leon_Arallian> (7) I know Zlatan.
[21:27:50] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) leon dont trust jdc
[21:27:50] <Leon_Arallian> (7) And I want you to stop shitting on it.
[21:27:50] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) yeah it sucks cock
[21:27:54] {0055FF}Zlatan_Capone{FFFFFF}: (0) so i dont get it
[21:31:00] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) I'm laughing at you, honestly. Going all "RS5 SUCKS DICK" then shifting to football when admin c
[21:31:11] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) if i say rs5 sucks
[21:31:15] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) that i hate all argonath
[21:31:20] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) even if i do like it
[21:31:23] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) since 2007]
[21:31:27] <Leon_Arallian> (7) Then I shall show you the door.
[21:31:29] <Leon_Arallian> (7) simple.
[21:31:33] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) also
[21:31:40] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i dont have any problem with you
[21:31:47] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) FreeStyler, there are 4 other RPG servers in Argonath that do not run RS5.
[21:31:49] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) but you think that by me not liking rs5
[21:31:51] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i also insult you
[21:31:58] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) like you built rs5
[21:31:59] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) You say RS5 sucks dick to our faces, you have a problem with us.
[21:32:00] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) or own it
[21:32:07] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) lolwut
[21:32:10] {A42626}[RPIT]JDC{FFFFFF}: (2) We are working to make RS5 better and we do not appreciate your bullshitting.
[21:32:15] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) i never said "dick to your faces"
[21:34:35] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): Basically. with you saying "RS5 sucks dicks" he tries to make a point that you basically insult the community as a whole.
[21:34:47] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): ok heres my point
[21:34:52] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): i dont really like rs5
[21:34:56] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): but i love argonath
[21:35:06] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): and the idea this server was built around
[21:35:18] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): The issue is that some of these comments are plainly insulting, which will be called out.
[21:35:25] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): but in his opinion by not liking rs5 i hate on all argonath ever
[21:35:26] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): I came here because you were reported to me >_>
[21:35:37] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): So I shall simply say;
[21:35:38] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): yes but his logic is awful
[21:35:43] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): You're allowed to have your own opinion
[21:35:53] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): indeed
[21:35:54] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): but try to keep it to yourself if it's insulting in any way.t
[21:36:04] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): but please explain him not liking rs5 isnt same as not liking argonath
[21:36:15] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): and i didnt insult anyone
[21:36:19] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): if you ever going to check chat logs
[21:36:29] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): please see zlatan said rs5 sucks
[21:36:33] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): and i agreed to him
[21:36:33] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): By insulting RS5 you indirectly insult those who put their effort into it.
[21:36:45] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): the scripters, players who contribute and try to uphold the community.
[21:36:46] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): yes
[21:36:54] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): so that's why it is picked up as insulting,
[21:36:54] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): i insult their work you are true
[21:37:08] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): but i dont insult rs4 rs3 rs2 rs1 just because i dont like rs5
[21:37:25] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): You know you're derailing the discussion yourself >_>
[21:37:25] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): thats where he doesnt have a point
[21:37:29] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): WE discussed the point already.
[21:37:35] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): Did you understand it?
[21:37:37] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): thats why he reported me
[21:37:47] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): if you cant undersand
[21:38:00] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): his problem was me not liking rs5 and not liking argonath
[21:38:06] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): Cease, please.
[21:38:12] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): but explain him its not the same thing
[21:38:15] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): im done
[21:38:20] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): my point is proven
[21:38:28] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): And I hope you understood my message as well.
[21:38:32] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): i did
[21:38:43] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): but to be honest
[21:38:54] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): jdc is so false even made in china clothing looks good compared to him
[21:39:01] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): he throws things i never said
[21:39:07] PM from Leon_Arallian(7): Please, do not continue provoking community members in my PM...
[21:39:15] PM to Leon_Arallian(7): i just pmed you
[21:39:20] Error: target player has disabled incoming private messages.
[21:39:31] <Leon_Arallian> (7) Freestyler, When I say Cease, I mean it...
[21:39:50] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) but you understood my point leon right?
[21:39:55] {0055FF}FreeStyler15{FFFFFF}: (11) even if it was wrong
I dont want to highlight anything or take it out of context. Everyone can read whatever they like and understand the same. (actualy ive gone a little too far with the gandalf part and thats my only bad i want to say sorry for it but now look at the other parts and see where JDC was going)
Bring RS4 NOW!
Good luck raising RS5 to 145 players on a friday night.
Why no developers respond to my suggestion of using Grand Larceny gamemode? gd idea in my opinion
Hm, I wonder why..I do wonder why. Grand Larceny is a great gamemode script :rofl:
Provoking community members.
Insulting community members and developers.
Lying to an administrator.
Congratulations, you just saved Managers the time and effort of going through chat logs just to see how much shit you've both said to everyone else. I rest my case.
Good luck raising RS5 to 145 players on a friday night.
Good luck raising RS5 to 145 players on a friday night.
what's done is done.
And it killed the SA:MP server lol
haha lol
Perhaps something more enlightening please? Comments like these (and many more) are providing little to no input that would be beneficial to the improvement of the server itself. I really don't see the point in continuously returning to give more negative feedback, the message is clear. What's done is done, we all know what happened, let's get past that and move on for once.
Certain people say it killed the server whilst others say it cleaned the server and they're making the most of RS5.Yeah, too bad not all of them are showing up on the server.
Yeah, too bad not all of them are showing up on the server.
What does 11/100 compared to 127/150 say to you?5/100*
5/100*
These are the kind of people who deserve to be charged for the electricity that Argonath's hardware spends storing their useless messages.Hey, that's my line! :rofl:
Hey, that's my line! :rofl:
Certainly, too bad people like you still exist on these forums.Yeah, sure. I hope you enjoy playing with 5-10 players instead of 100-120. :)
You refuse to give any worthwhile input and then decide to moan and perform about RS5 and how it "killed" everything. Negative behavior has repercussions.
Yeah, sure. I hope you enjoy playing with 5-10 players instead of 100-120. :)Quite frankly, I'd rather play with 5-10 players than with 100+ kids complaining about how it sucks.
Quite frankly, I'd rather play with 5-10 players than with 100+ kids complaining about how it sucks.Lol, good luck then. :lol:
Interesting fact that everyone that is complaining are just lazy-ass bastards that will rather shit on the server they once called "home" than join the collective into finding one solution for it. RS5 is not killing Argonath, you are.
Instead of bickering about the past and wanting the past to return, why not look into the future and the possibilities that come along with it?Possibilities? Losing almost 100 percent players, do you really think there are any possibilities?...
Oh my, you're able to read a playercount. :app:Oh my god,you're not that stupid to understand that most of players dislikes RS5
Quite frankly, I'd rather play with 5-10 players than with 100+ kids complaining about how it sucks.100 kids never complained in RS4.
Interesting fact that everyone that is complaining are just lazy-ass bastards that will rather shit on the server they once called "home" than join the collective into finding one solution for it. RS5 is not killing Argonath, you are.
Oh my god,you're not that stupid to understand that most of players dislikes RS5
\_/ - my care cup.(empty)
Oh my god,you're not that stupid to understand that most of players dislikes RS5
\_/ - my care cup.(empty)
100 kids never complained in RS4.
And finally, you have moaners and shitters who do nothing but parrot the same sets of complaints again and again, while not providing any useful contributions, nor solutions. These are the kind of people who deserve to be charged for the electricity that Argonath's hardware spends storing their useless messages. (DHR.Marcel, 2014)
My apologies, citation added :D :lol:How kind of you :D
Ladies and gentlemen, above we have another exhibit of the following:I hope you do realize that I'm not even playing SAMP :rolleyes:
I hope you do realize that I'm not even playing SAMP :rolleyes:
you fill this topicI have 3-4 posts here.
Thank you for being a part of the problem, not the solution. :app:Oh really? Tell us the solution then.
I have 3-4 posts here.
Oh really? Tell us the solution then.
You are the one that is filling this topic with bullshit. Almost all your posts are insulting other people that you call "moaners"
Bring RS4 NOW!Won't happen! Got used with the lose of property already?
Won't happen! Got used with the lose of property already?
Who told you it wont happen? I heard the opposite from a very high ranked "admin" that Argonath are soon ready to open up two servers. ;)That doesn't mean that property will be returned,not from the last day...and RS5 won't be removed.
I am but one of the players who actually give a f**k about this community and do not appreciate shitters coming in here and doing nothing but bitching while not doing anything to fix the problems."Shitters" also give a fuck about this community, otherwise they wouldn't shit.
"Shitters" also give a f**k about this community, otherwise they wouldn't shit.They "give a ****" about it for all the wrong reasons. I'd suggest they either change their attitudes, or leave. We only welcome friendly players here. That is why we have had the same rules against provoking, flaming, and attacking players since 2006. We want everyone to have fun, not just a select few who think they can get away with stepping on others.
Taking into consideration the comments from both sides of the fence over the last 35 pages, we must now look to the most factual representation of the community’s wish which is ultimately the poll that has taken place. Over the course of a week, more than 180 players have contributed to the poll and as it stands we have an absolute majority (51.1%) in favour of rolling back to RS4.That data is far from accurate. Not everyone uses the forums, the polls can easily be abused by users with multiple accounts, and you're only counting opinions of 180 users. SA:MP used to get more than that in a single day, with constant fluctuation in who was online and who wasn't. You're missing a good chunk of people's opinions there.
(http://s28.postimg.org/iqfljeeml/communityvote.jpg)
Reflecting on the results, the management/owner cannot stand idly by and disregard the collective voice of the community. It is clear by absolute majority that the community wish is to return to RS4 and in view of this all options must now be explored. Indirectly, this is supported by Gandalf’s commission to introduce a more democratic decision making society in Argonath and what better way to build this momentum by honouring the desire of the community to return to RS4.
As Frank said, RS4 is still the voice of 51% of the people who took their time to vote. Doesn't that say anything?No, it doesn't. As I mentioned already:
That data is far from accurate. Not everyone uses the forums, the polls can easily be abused by users with multiple accounts, and you're only counting opinions of 180 users. SA:MP used to get more than that in a single day, with constant fluctuation in who was online and who wasn't. You're missing a good chunk of people's opinions there.
No, it doesn't. As I mentioned already:
This is the same reason why the Oscars in Argo don't do forum polls anymore.
Also, in a topic with obvious bias leaning towards going back to RS4.x, you're going to get more people voting for it from the start. The vast majority of people involving themselves in the subject are the same ones who share the same opinion...
And you are of course skeptical about democracy in real life, since not everyone vote and it can be abused.. Right?
The numbers that are current pointed out by the community most mean something...
You have a more twisted mind than Mikal...
Possibilities? Losing almost 100 percent players, do you really think there are any possibilities?...Argonath lost noone by what I can see, y'all still here complaining, what don't you login?
Democracy? The Oscars was one of the purest applications of "democracy" in Argonath, but that did not stop it from being filled with shit and cheating. Not by admins or HQ, but by regular players.
Sometimes, what the majority (or in the case of the poll, the "majority") wants is not always the right thing. If you want to apply the real life democracy example, look at the political situations of many "democracies" and look how f**ked-up things have become.
JDC are you even an active SAMP player?He is,at least those days.
And you are of course skeptical about democracy in real life, since not everyone vote and it can be abused.. Right?Clearly you have no idea how a democratic voting system in real life works. There are multiple measures to protect from the abuse, and people are encouraged to vote, with plenty of information over an extensive period of time explaining how. None of that exists in this topic.
The numbers that are current pointed out by the community most mean something...
JDC are you even an active SAMP player?I saw him in-game just the other day.
SugarD,1. It is not unbiased, as the topic itself was biased based on the fact that the topic was created because some users were not happy with RS5, and wanted RS4.x back. That alone puts the poll into its own bias grouping.
Time is scarce for me but I'll try to alleviate the concerns you've raised. The data collected in this poll is unbiased, transparent and free of fraudulent activity (forum moderators are able to carry out due diligence by potentially removing false accounts where applicable). Also, an absolute majority is declared once one body has over 50 percent of the voting in a poll – please seek out proper evidence before making certain claims.
I suggest the community to move to MTA:SA due to infinite possibilities, however if that is not possible, let RS5 stay. I don't get how people get attached to virtual money/goods.Many of us moved there.
I suggest the community to move to MTA:SA due to infinite possibilities, however if that is not possible, let RS5 stay. I don't get how people get attached to virtual money/goods.Both servers can co-exist just fine. This issue is nothing more than players complaining about not having virtual items they want back.
Both servers can co-exist just fine. This issue is nothing more than players complaining about not having virtual items they want back.DONT U FUCKING UNDERSTAND ALREADY?
Everyone really needs to just deal with it or try the suggestions given by Devin. To put it simply, if I wanted to see this many people moaning for no apparent reason, I'd go watch porn, (which I'm not a fan of).
DONT U FUCKING UNDERSTAND ALREADY?If you have complaints about the scripts, these places may come in handy for you:
The people of ARGONATH want RS4 BACK, not the f**king money, cars, goods. RS5 is shitty as hell, complicated & half the scripts, animations are missing, aswell as all the bugs...
You can't /siren, tow a f**king car, you can't PNS, I mean what the f**k ....... turn ur f**king brain on already
DONT U FUCKING UNDERSTAND ALREADY?Can't you understand why people want RS4.1 back? Because it is so easy to make money there. So it means that they want money. If RS5 is shitty like hell, why the heck are you playing in it then? To ruin the game? Animations are working perfectly, only 10 percent of scripts not added yet. What are the bugs are annoying your troll game play? /taxi and get fastly in a car?
The people of ARGONATH want RS4 BACK, not the f**king money, cars, goods. RS5 is shitty as hell, complicated & half the scripts, animations are missing, aswell as all the bugs...
You can't /siren, tow a f**king car, you can't PNS, I mean what the f**k ....... turn ur f**king brain on already
DONT U FUCKING UNDERSTAND ALREADY?
The people of ARGONATH want RS4 BACK, not the f**king money, cars, goods. RS5 is shitty as hell, complicated & half the scripts, animations are missing, aswell as all the bugs...
You can't /siren, tow a f**king car, you can't PNS, I mean what the f**k ....... turn ur f**king brain on already
We do NOT want our assets back, we WANT normal gameplay.The gameplay is still the same.
The gameplay is still the same.
you can't PNS
You do know that RS5 isn't runing at 100% yet right?Then why did they released it? I remember when release date used to be august 8th I believe, 2011 or 2012... Then then released a year or two later, with shittiest scripts ever.
Also, calm your tits.
It's f**king not.Tell me how
The gameplay is still the same.Actually, it's not, it's way more complicated. If you fart, a menu pops up and you have options to choose whether it will smell badly or not, while in RS4 there are no any useless menu boxes (there are some, but they are very useful).
Then why did they released it? I remember when release date used to be august 8th I believe, 2011 or 2012... Then then released a year or two later, with shittiest scripts ever.Man, calm down
The f**king gameplay, yes Lincoln i agree.... Mayors, bugged PD's and shit I'm sick of it, and you dont have 8 players max per day for no reason....
we want rs4 back, with or without money, we want normal scripts back. RS5 is shit.
we want rs4 back
Then why did they released it? I remember when release date used to be august 8th I believe, 2011 or 2012... Then then released a year or two later, with shittiest scripts ever.Then leave the server, no one forced you to play in RS5, you just come there and start trolling around with your shits claiming *fuck RS5 bring back RS4*. Everyone know why it released earlier, stop trying to be a smartass....
The f**king gameplay, yes Lincoln i agree.... Mayors, bugged PD's and shit I'm sick of it, and you dont have 8 players max per day for no reason....
we want rs4 back, with or without money, we want normal scripts back. RS5 is shit.
Actually, it's not, it's way more complicated. If you fart, a menu pops up and you have options to choose whether it will smell badly or not:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Everyone know why it released earlier, stop trying to be a smartass....I don't, why was it released before everything could work fine?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That could be useful
I don't, why was it released before everything could work fine?RS4 lost 4 months of data
RS4 lost 4 months of dataIsn't it more?
Isn't it more?No, I'm sure it was 4
RS4 lost 4 months of data
And why wasn't it backed up?How must I know?
Everyone really needs to just deal with itThat is exactly what most disagree with. So many have been saying "stop moaning just play blablabla".
Can't you get it?
You will not get it back.
RS4 is history.
RS5 WAS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE, NOT DESTROY ARGONATH, WAKE UP.This.
You guys really destroyed the server... real f**king good...NO PnS? /call mechanics
RS5:
- Commands are complicated, not finished, with useless menu boxes and tons of bugs.
- PD's bugged, no PnS (what if they're no mechanics online, and mechanics can be used for evil in criminal work, aka abuse), many more...
- Bank, wallets, card and that shit are way more complicated, $10 charge for every deposit and withdrawal...
- 99 percent of the server died, left and want RS4 back...
But people would still play, releasing RS5 was the worst option since it was still full of bugs. If developers worked on RS5 for the next 4-6 months, I bet that people would be crazy for RS5 and that the server would be full.They should of made RS5 EVEN MORE SIMPLE, fun and improve roleplay.....
And why wasn't it backed up?Even the back up was gone.
You guys really destroyed the server... real f**king good...Did you try something called real life? It has a lot of changes and you are forced to deal with them. Same here.
RS5:
- Commands are complicated, not finished, with useless menu boxes and tons of bugs.
- PD's bugged, no PnS (what if they're no mechanics online, and mechanics can be used for evil in criminal work, aka abuse), many more...
- Bank, wallets, card and that shit are way more complicated, $10 charge for every deposit and withdrawal...
- 99 percent of the server died, left and want RS4 back...
RS4:
- Simply as hell, fun, RP.
- Commands are fully finished, police ranks, PnS, no shitty mechanics. Simplicity at highest.
- Gangs, police, mafia, good old times huh...
- 150 upto 200 players DAILY, whilst in RS5 10 players max, daily...
- RS4 only had one problem, which was CBFASI's damn grammar mistakes in some text, but overall RS4 was the best yet. EVERYONE KNOWS IT, even Gandalf, all the admins...
RS5 WAS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE, NOT DESTROY ARGONATH, WAKE UP.
They should of made RS5 EVEN MORE SIMPLE, fun and improve roleplay.....
Ok so who wants to go ts3, go argo samp server and make a protest and discuss of this rs5 thing...
Did you try something called real life? It has a lot of changes and you are forced to deal with them. Same here.But we come here to enjoy, not to deal with the problems like we do all the time in real life.
Even the back up was gone.Did you try something called real life? It has a lot of changes and you are forced to deal with them. Same here.People like you destroy argonath and i dont like people who do that
The game mode isn't complicated, your minds just acting like a stupid cow that doesn't know how to eat grass....
But we come here to enjoy, not to deal with the problems like we do all the time in real life.You dont have to deal with the problem.
Don't you find it just a little double-standard how you want players to start helping a community which was more or less killed by the very hands of its owners?Alright, let me correct you right there. Your statement should read:
Don't you find it just a little double-standard how you want players to start helping a server which was more or less killed by the very hands of its players who didn't like their own ideas being implemented?
You dont have to deal with the problem.And bugs fixed too so we can roleplay properly.
Go in-game and RP the only commands you need is /me /l and /em
People like you destroy argonath and i dont like people who do thatScripters aren't bots, they have their own lives/ problems
slavik, they should of already finished rs5, we shouldnt make ideas...
People like you destroy argonath and i dont like people who do thatMan, if you want to achieve something here, and later in your life, you should change your attitude.
slavik, they should of already finished rs5, we shouldnt make ideas...
But we come here to enjoy, not to deal with the problems like we do all the time in real life.That's the life, nothing is like what all people want.
Scripters aren't bots, they have their own lives/ problemsYes yes, same like everyone else... but if they already have "problems", why did they make problems for us?! we are supposed to enjoy, not fuck around doing this shit right now everyone is aka. complaining on forum.....
So you know, I have been addressing the matter of RS5 and RS4.1 with the rest of the SA:MP HQ.
Creating a mess on the forums is not going to help the matter at all.
That's the life, nothing is like what all people want.Well, just because it's not like what all the people want, you can see 5 players on the server right now.
Yes yes, same like everyone else... but if they already have "problems", why did they make problems for us?! we are supposed to enjoy, not f**k around doing this shit right now everyone is aka. complaining on forum.....As a LOT of people said it before, stop moaning and get in-game.
Can't you understand why people want RS4.1 back? Because it is so easy to make money there.For the average player, particularly an ungrouped on, it's easier to make money in RS5.
Not everyone want RS4.1 backTo be entirely fair, the poll is quite telling.
Well, just because it's not like what all the people want, you can see 5 players on the server right now.5 players because...
NO PnS? /call mechanicsThat isn't the same thing.
As a LOT of people said it before, stop moaning and get in-game.I didn't want complicated, 5 player server where everyone left it like a ghost town...
And the scripters did their best to give you what you wanted.
5 players because...That's because we do not like how the things are there... Forums are just the same as they were, they are not complicated...
Every one is here (Forum)
NO PnS? /call mechanics
But we come here to enjoy, not to deal with the problems like we do all the time in real life.
So you know, I have been addressing the matter of RS5 and RS4.1 with the rest of the SA:MP HQ.
Creating a mess on the forums is not going to help the matter at all.
5 players because...
Every one is here (Forum)
I didn't want that.Too bad then. You should have gave some ideas.
That isn't the same thing.Mechanic job is good and it really improves RP. When PnS there isn't any RP.
The PnS thing is still a major problem with RS5.
Seriously, it doesn't sound like a lot, but when a new player can't repair their car that they spent ages finding they're not gonna stay on the server.
Too bad then. You should have gave some ideas.I have literally given more than 100 ideas for RS5, not single was implemented.
Mechanic job is good and it really improves RP. When PnS there isn't any RP.
He just said most of the ones on duty abuses the /setmechanicfee-command.There's an easy solution for that. It must be a secret, since no one is aware of what it is! I'll give you a hint:
Well, just because it's not like what all the people want, you can see 5 players on the server right now.That's because they are the only guys who spent a lot of time to get used to the game mode not like who saw /help immediately left the server.
To be entirely fair, the poll is quite telling.The poll didn't say that 100% of the voters voted for RS4.
I didn't want that.Stop thinking at only yourself.
I have literally given more than 100 ideas for RS5, not single was implemented.That's because your ideas were only for your own goods not for the other players too.
So you know, I have been addressing the matter of RS5 and RS4.1 with the rest of the SA:MP HQ.
Creating a mess on the forums is not going to help the matter at all.
Are you retarded? He just said most of the ones on duty abuses the /setmechanicfee-command.Well I'm not retarded, are you?
It starts with "/" and ends with "report".Do that.
Mechanic job is good and it really improves RP.Does it though?
Does it though?Yes it does. Don't only think how Europe people work as mechanic.
Like, does it really? Think realistically.
That's because they are the only guys who spent a lot of time to get used to the game mode not like who saw /help immediately left the server.I'm speaking in the name of ARGONATH people who are smart enough to realize RS5 is useless, it ruined the server...
The poll didn't say that 100% of the voters voted for RS4.
Stop thinking at only yourself.
That's because your ideas were only for your own goods not for the other players too.
Does it though?Yes it does, I have RPed a lot with Mechanics.
There's an easy solution for that. It must be a secret, since no one is aware of what it is! I'll give you a hint:
It starts with "/" and ends with "report".
The poll didn't say that 100% of the voters voted for RS4.
Does it though?It's up the mechanics for the RP part. To be fair going info a building,for a second,for free,during pursuit is as redicilious as the topic.
Like, does it really? Think realistically.
Like someone would give a f**k if the mechanic had 500$ as fee.Then stop complaining.
It's a free world.
Then stop complaining.
I'm speaking in the name of ARGONATH people who are smart enough to realize RS5 is useless, it ruined the server...Yeah, that's why i didn't support any of your ideas right? Pardon me, i meant most.
if you really think so its in my own use, go check the f**king ideas list dont talk bullshit like u usually do, khm..
But almost 51% did.I thought 100% is everyone not 51%
Why not share this with the wider community?He has. One suggestion was already given publicly:
YES BUT THE Who THE FUCK WANTS TO PAY 500 FOR A FUCKING FIXSomeone who wants to get their car fixed.
YES BUT THE Who THE FUCK WANTS TO PAY 500$ FOR A FUCKING FIXIf you want your car to be fixed.... Then you will ;)
You know what i noticed.Let's remove who got payed to vote for RS4 and it will be 5 percent or 10.
If we remove all the admins and mods votes in the pool and let the regular players decide it would be around
70% RS5
18% RS4
12% in-between.
But of course, why should you listen to the players, they are just moaning and shitting all the time.
If you want your car to be fixed.... Then you will ;)
Btw you can RP a little and maybe the mechanic will drop the price
Let's remove who got payed to vote for RS4 and it will be 5 percent or 10.
Btw maybe I can't RP cause none of the 6 players are a mechanic.Ask someone to get on duty.
Let's remove who got paid to vote for RS4 and it will be 5 percent or 10.One big :rofl: for you
Btw maybe I can't RP cause none of the 6 players are a mechanic.Then ask your friends to join the server and see if any of them will RP a mechanic.
One big :rofl: for youYou're just proving that it's the truth. :lol:
Khm, you're good for making some crowd ;)
Taking into consideration the comments from both sides of the fence over the last 35 pages, we must now look to the most factual representation of the community’s wish which is ultimately the poll that has taken place. Over the course of a week, more than 180 players have contributed to the poll and as it stands we have an absolute majority (51.1%) in favour of rolling back to RS4.
(http://s28.postimg.org/iqfljeeml/communityvote.jpg)
Reflecting on the results, the management/owner cannot stand idly by and disregard the collective voice of the community. It is clear by absolute majority that the community wish is to return to RS4 and in view of this all options must now be explored. Indirectly, this is supported by Gandalf’s commission to introduce a more democratic decision making society in Argonath and what better way to build this momentum by honouring the desire of the community to return to RS4.
Ask someone to get on duty.
If not then have a walk.
Then ask your friends to join the server and see if any of them will RP a mechanic.
You're just proving that it's the truth. :lol:
Oh so I'm need to ask for RP on a RP server, nice f**king logic.Well if there is no mechanics on then I see why not.
I still need that because no f**king car got fuel.:rofl: :rofl:
Taking into consideration the comments from both sides of the fence over the last 35 pages, we must now look to the most factual representation of the community’s wish which is ultimately the poll that has taken place. Over the course of a week, more than 180 players have contributed to the poll and as it stands we have an absolute majority (51.1%) in favour of rolling back to RS4.Frank if you have some free time try excluding everyone who isnt regular player.
(http://s28.postimg.org/iqfljeeml/communityvote.jpg)
Reflecting on the results, the management/owner cannot stand idly by and disregard the collective voice of the community. It is clear by absolute majority that the community wish is to return to RS4 and in view of this all options must now be explored. Indirectly, this is supported by Gandalf’s commission to introduce a more democratic decision making society in Argonath and what better way to build this momentum by honouring the desire of the community to return to RS4.
You guys really destroyed the server... real f**king good...
RS5:
- Commands are complicated, not finished, with useless menu boxes and tons of bugs.
- PD's bugged, no PnS (what if they're no mechanics online, and mechanics can be used for evil in criminal work, aka abuse), many more...
- Bank, wallets, card and that shit are way more complicated, $10 charge for every deposit and withdrawal...
- 99 percent of the server died, left and want RS4 back...
RS4:
- Simply as hell, fun, RP.
- Commands are fully finished, police ranks, PnS, no shitty mechanics. Simplicity at highest.
- Gangs, police, mafia, good old times huh...
- 150 upto 200 players DAILY, whilst in RS5 10 players max, daily...
- RS4 only had one problem, which was CBFASI's damn grammar mistakes in some text, but overall RS4 was the best yet. EVERYONE KNOWS IT, even Gandalf, all the admins...
RS5 WAS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE, NOT DESTROY ARGONATH, WAKE UP.
Nobody wants to join caaaaaaaaaaause = RS5Then you countered your own argument. You claim that people don't want to join because RS5 has bad scripts that you don't like, yet say they don't want to join simply because "it is RS5". The truth here is that no one wants to join because others aren't doing it. Players of MTA:VC will find this situation very familiar...
It proves how stupid you are if you think so.Hm, he isn't stupid just so you know.
It proves how stupid you are if you think so.I think you wasn't here when the incident of the copy cat RS4, well argonath was promised for a revenge.
Well if there is no mechanics on then I see why not.
-All ways crahsing
:rofl: :rofl:
Hm, he isn't stupid just so you know.
Unlike you I can't /aduty and /tp.
So how much did you get for voting on RS5?Nothing, I love RS5. HOw much you got paid for voring for RS4?
I cant do that too. Id I use admin rights for my own use/fun then I will be fired.
Nothing, I love RS5. HOw much you got paid for voring for RS4?
Then I rather respawn it.You say don't you all ''care'' for the script,not for the money. But you don't even want to pay for mechanic!
Btw maybe I can't RP cause none of the 6 players are a mechanic.
Are you f**king serious?
You say don't you all ''care'' for the script,not for the money. But you don't even want to pay for mechanic!
Easy to go behind that. What higher admins don't see doesn't hurt them.Just so you know we(admins) do get in shit if we abuse the rights and managers can see everything. "I'm an eye in the sky, looking at you"
Just so you know we(admins) do get in shit if we abuse the rights and managers can see everything. "I'm an eye in the sky, looking at you"
I cant do that too. If I use admin rights for my own use/fun then I will be fired.Nothing, I love RS5. HOw much you got paid for voring for RS4?The moment when you're so desperate that you're talking nonsense.
"I just had to investigate that player"
Easy to go behind that. What higher admins don't see doesn't hurt them.Coming from someone who has been an admin in multiple servers throughout the community for years, both from the bottom to the top, I can't even begin to describe how wrong you are.
A total of 2 Lucianos voted. If i told them all to vote you would have 10-15 more votes for RS4.Cool story bro, Luciano isn't the server, you just proved my point. :lol:
Cool story bro, Luciano isn't the server, you just proved my point. :lol:Doing so will prove how fair the vote is and what made people vote for RS4. Being told to do so.
Coming from someone who has been an admin in multiple servers throughout the community for years, both from the bottom to the top, I can't even begin to describe how wrong you are.
Cool story bro, Luciano isn't the server, you just proved my point. :lol:
Cool story bro, Luciano isn't the server, you just proved my point. :lol:It's pointless to talk to you. Noone asked you anything, yet you just bump into facts you know are right saying some nonsense.
Why not share this with the wider community?
Keep changing your font, talk nonsense and maybe you get some attention you're badly seeking for or just go and make some crowd ;)Don't think it's attention that he seeks.
Two very simple questions:1) Currently playing, and I will be playing.
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed, would you play?
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed and you wouldn't want to play, what would you want to see changed?
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed, would you play?1. No
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed and you wouldn't want to play, what would you want to see changed?
1. No
2. Everything
Two very simple questions:
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed, would you play?
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed and you wouldn't want to play, what would you want to see changed?
And then I add, would it take another 4 years to get everything fixed?You nailed it :lol:
And then I add, would it take another 4 years to get everything fixed?
I am posting this again......I am also posting it again.
You guys really destroyed the server... real f**king good...
RS5:
- Commands are complicated, not finished, with useless menu boxes and tons of bugs.
- PD's bugged, no PnS (what if they're no mechanics online, and mechanics can be used for evil in criminal work, aka abuse), many more...
- Bank, wallets, card and that shit are way more complicated, $10 charge for every deposit and withdrawal...
- 99 percent of the server died, left and want RS4 back...
RS4:
- Simply as hell, fun, RP.
- Commands are fully finished, police ranks, PnS, no shitty mechanics. Simplicity at highest.
- Gangs, police, mafia, good old times huh...
- 150 upto 200 players DAILY, whilst in RS5 10 players max, daily...
- RS4 only had one problem, which was CBFASI's damn grammar mistakes in some text, but overall RS4 was the best yet. EVERYONE KNOWS IT, even Gandalf, all the admins...
AND YOU STILL SAY RS5 IS BETTER. Its not.
RS5 WAS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE, NOT DESTROY ARGONATH, WAKE UP.
Thats my constructive feedback..
RS4, RS5 was released too soon.Tell that to the players that were shitting and saying RS5 was never going to come or said RS5 was taking too long.
Tell that to the players that were shitting and saying RS5 was never going to come or said RS5 was taking too long.Ironic
And then I add, would it take another 4 years to get everything fixed?Five man, five. :lol:
This topic was about RS5 and RS4To what cause, exactly?
Five man, five. :lol:No.
IronicLet me stop you right there. I never shitted on noone. I told my opinion and I got crapped over for it, so don't talk about things that apparently escape your comprehension.
If my opinion is a negative feedback does it mean that I am shitting?Welcome to Argonath RPG.
RS5:
- Commands are complicated, not finished, with useless menu boxes and tons of bugs.
- PD's bugged, no PnS (what if they're no mechanics online, and mechanics can be used for evil in criminal work, aka abuse), many more...
- Bank, wallets, card and that shit are way more complicated, $10 charge for every deposit and withdrawal...
- 99 percent of the server died, left and want RS4 back...
RS4:
- Simply as hell, fun, RP.
- Commands are fully finished, police ranks, PnS, no shitty mechanics. Simplicity at highest.
- Gangs, police, mafia, good old times huh...
- 150 upto 200 players DAILY, whilst in RS5 10 players max, daily...
- RS4 only had one problem, which was CBFASI's damn grammar mistakes in some text, but overall RS4 was the best yet. EVERYONE KNOWS IT, even Gandalf, all the admins...
Main problem was that developers gave so many attention to some parts of the script while overlooking/rushing other parts... The players who got their enjoyment from these so called 'other parts'
...
Five man, five. :lol:
If my opinion is a negative feedback does it mean that I am shitting?
Welcome to Argonath RPG.
I'm probably one of the oldest players around and you can bet that I like Argonath and I want to see it going for much more time.
To what cause, exactly?
Gandalf has already set his demands for bringing back RS4 which obviously won't be met which leaves us stuck with RS5. With that in mind, I would love to know what you think the purpose & goal of this thread actually is.
Let me stop you right there. I never shitted on noone. I told my opinion and I got crapped over for it, so don't talk about things that apparently escape your comprehension.Did I say you were shitting? Now did I?
If my opinion is a negative feedback does it mean that I am shitting?
I'm probably one of the oldest players around and you can bet that I like Argonath and I want to see it going for much more time.
JDC are you even an active SAMP player?
Actually, it's not, it's way more complicated. If you fart, a menu pops up and you have options to choose whether it will smell badly or not, while in RS4 there are no any useless menu boxes (there are some, but they are very useful).I have to agree on this part, not because dialog boxes were used for complicated tasks, but because they just had to incorporate even the simplest ones. (i.e. /cash, /bank) At this point I would liken RS5 to a Blackberry 10 device; nice hardware, but the OS (user interface) is not so user-friendly.
Also, what's up with the rainbow on the public chat? It looks funny, same as when you join some random server which was developed by a 10 year old kid.Aside from the messages reminding players to report bugs on the forum, it looks pretty much the same to me.
I like to play, not to explore bugs.You cannot have the benefits without the responsibilities. If it was not for many people who explored RS4's bugs (and thus enabled the devs to fix them), you would not have been able to have the RS4 gameplay experience.
Man, calm downBefore you ask him to calm down, you might want to look at his logs (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103727.msg1652306#msg1652306). They're hilarious.
Why not share this with the wider community?
I would like to see how players voted and not administration.
Welcome to Argonath RPG.False. I myself have made negative feedbacks (some in forum posts, and others elsewhere) but I do not shit.
People like you destroy argonath and i dont like people who do thatI fucking LOL'd. You're the one pointing fingers, shitting, moaning, and flaming other players on a regular basis. Khm, on the other hand, is frequently ingame, helping out the community.
Thats my constructive feedback..
constructive
Commands are complicated or the systems are complicated? If it's the first then playing on Argonath isn't the first thing I'd be worried about.
As said multiple times, RS5 was released before it was ready meaning there were clearly going to be bugs.
Would you rather 1 menu or 10 commands?
Refer to my point about bugs.
Not sure what happened with PnS's, I'm sure that they were meant to be put back but I may be wrong.
Many more isn't constructive.
If you actually spent 5 minutes to take a look at the banking system you'd realise it's actually pretty easy to understand, although it may be different in your case in which I'd suggest you refer to my first point.
You're actually complaining about $10?
99 percent isn't accurate and contradicts the results of the point of this entire topic.
I don't exactly know what to say about that, having fun with RP depends on a persons perspective. I'm quite sure you had fun breaking rules in RS4.1 but that's not on topic.
Commands were fully finished in RS4.1 yet there were still a ton of bugs. I don't think you get the point that we clearly told you that there were going to be bugs.
Good old times, let's go back to the time where the internet didn't exist so this wouldn't have even been a problem. "Good old times".
Get off the forums and go IG, notice the change in player count?
I don't know how you don't get banned for that but what ever.
I can't say I disagree.
You're so funny ":lol:"
I actually found your feedback something that the development team could use as it could be useful.
You should really take up comedy.
1) Currently playing, and I will be playing.1) Playing and always will,I don't care if I lose money becose all my money are used for and during RP. Rest of them I give to my colleagues in ARTP becose I am sure where they go.
2) Not sure.
If you take a look at this topic, I barely see any actual constructive feedback. I know there are people who are trying to help and there are people who are doing what they are meant to and actually reporting the bugs by playing ingame. The decision ultimately lies down to HQ and I don't think they'd simply ignore the players opinions.
Two very simple questions:
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed, would you play?
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed and you wouldn't want to play, what would you want to see changed?
Very few people have actually answered this seriously and constructively despite topics that were made about it (and probably severely moderated..)
I dont see shit, do you?
we want rs4 not shit
Having an early registration date is one thing, actively assisting in the community for the time spent here is a vastly different thing.
I dont see shit, do you?
I dont see shit, do you?
:rofl: :rofl:
If somebody's eyes are full of shit, they will see shit wherever they go. :rolleyes:
LOL theres more people reading this topic right now then actually playing argo.Indeed. they should go in-game.
Obviously.
Indeed. they should go in-game.Fuck your "INGAME" shit. We've been in the fucking server, and the script suck ass, thats why theres more people ON THIS TOPIC ITSELF, rather than the server....
LOL theres more people reading this topic right now then actually playing argo.
Indeed. they should go in-game.
Indeed. they should go in-game.
And your saying I didn't?
You didn't even know what GTA SA was and I was already playing at Argonath. If all you going to do is bullshit might aswell start a topic.
If everyone from HQ agrees with you, then I would tell you that you are ingrates.
Indeed. they should go in-game.
Fuck your "INGAME" shit. We've been in the f**king server, and the script suck ass, thats why theres more people ON THIS TOPIC ITSELF, rather than the server....Chill mate, dont like it? /leave here then :)
Chill mate, dont like it? /leave here then :)
Fuck your "INGAME" shit. We've been in the f**king server, and the script suck ass, thats why theres more people ON THIS TOPIC ITSELF, rather than the server....Can you spend one f*cking second,one f*cking minute from your f*cking life without saying ''F*cking''? I am sure you f*cking can't. Ah,and since you prefer moaning about the script you can't say you are in Argonath RPG becose of the community,the players or the RP experience. If you want good script for you f*cking eyes go to MTA for example.
Apparently you are... oh wait I read PMS.. nevermind.weren't you the one posting shit in topic about women rights in argo(lol yes)
Sure bud, what ever floats your boat if you got offended by my post.I'm not your bud you hypocrate. You tell others to stay on topic even thou you detract from it to go offend someone.
Drag your f**king ass ingame then if you love the server so much.I would go in-game, but I am having a discussion here plus I need a sleep so kinda can't now, bit I will be on tomorrow and you all welcome to join me :)
I would go in-game, but I am having a discussion here plus I need a sleep so kinda can't now, bit I will be on tomorrow and you all welcome to join me :)Thanks,I will do. ;)
Thanks for bringing this up Jones. You will notice in my original post, I’ve made several comments related to the current state of RS5 and the unprecedented challenges we face and possible options of rectifying those. Though the resolution of defects/bugs is important, it is not the highest priority in my view. The highest priority is restoring confidence in the spirit, personality and flare of SA:MP Argonath which in my opinion has been compromised by RS5 through drastic game mode change from its predecessors.
Alongside the above, there has been a side storm brewing which was economic/group stagnation which is ever increasingly crippling the server. For example, when players have less money, they are less likely to spend. This means that public roles like a taxi driver have no purpose because they are very unlikely to obtain customers meaning they will vacant the role. The mismanagement of RS5 economic stimulus has led us to the brink of economic uncertainty and some might argue recession.
2. If the bugs were fixed, a large proportion of RS4 functionality would have to reintroduced and constant but proportionate economic stimulus would be required. Saying this, it would not work with the current player base and would take many months or realistically years to return to standalone economic growth. In short, a return to RS4 is more strongly preferred but with the caveat that we reduce 25% of bank deposits and cash in hand for all players.
Another Argonathrpg logic.More like solution :D
Sure bud, what ever floats your boat if you got offended by my post.
And your saying I didn't?
You didn't even know what GTA SA was and I was already playing at Argonath. If all you going to do is bullshit might aswell start a topic.
If everyone from HQ agrees with you, then I would tell you that you are ingrates.
I can attest that Razor has been quite a useful member of the community, barring his activity problems. Over the years, from the time I was a new player and he an admin, to until he was a mapper and I one of the managers overseeing him, he has been contributing to this community. So let's not get the three of you (with Slavik) all arguing please, we're on the same side here.
Let's remove who got payed to vote for RS4 and it will be 5 percent or 10.that damage control
The amount of people here who would have had their moaning shit stuffed back into their mouths if only Aragorn was here, and Boromir had less real-life obligations, is disgustingly astounding.Yes, lets ban everyone who has issues with RS5. That will improve the server for sure!
Yes, lets ban everyone who has issues with RS5. That will improve the server for sure!
Yes, lets ban everyone who has issues with RS5. That will improve the server for sure!No one said that they would be banned.
Yes, lets ban everyone who has issues with RS5. That will improve the server for sure!Actually it might. Then moaners would stop scaring away players who haven't tried it out yet, and we might actually get more people in-game then... :lol:
Actually it might. Then moaners would stop scaring away players who haven't tried it out yet, and we might actually get more people in-game then... :lol:
Yes, lets ban everyone who has issues with RS5. That will improve the server for sure!
And then I add, would it take another 4 years to get everything fixed?
Drag your f**king ass ingame then if you love the server so much.exactly
exactly
I would go in-game, but I am having a discussion here plus I need a sleep so kinda can't now, but I will be on tomorrow and you all welcome to join me :)
If there are features that the majority of players want and they aren't already included then it would be my belief that the development team would take these into consideration and implement them as soon as possible. I do remember that the status of the team when I left was to prioritize fixing bugs rather than implementing new features however, but that could always change. Increasing the personality would require people to accept the fact that RS5 is here and to help make it become the gamemode that they want.
It was never sure how the economy would work whilst starting out, and the fact that the gamemode wasn't complete upon release made the economy even more difficult. To make the economy stable I do believe some form of stimulus would be required for the flow of money to actually begin.
The current player base is a clear problem for the economy as it's designed to work without any manual intervention. However, there is no reason as to why features can't be added to RS5 (albeit I'm unsure as to which features from RS4 didn't make it to RS5, maybe someone could list the important ones presuming there already isn't one) and if people then started to play I'd imagine the economy would fix itself, if not it could always be intervened.
Those forum arguements are more funny than RP in game.You are right! Just don't forget to bring some: (http://chattlibrary.org/sites/default/files/calendar/popcorn.jpg)
Those forum arguements are more funny than RP in game.What roleplay? :L
Do you guys ever stop ?
Do you guys ever stop ?Two topics later and they still haven't gotten the answer they are demanding to be given, despite "asking" for everyone's opinions. I don't see it ending any time soon. :lol:
Those forum arguements are more funny than RP in game.
Fundamentally, there was a lapse in traceability between requirements/ideas and how those would be turned into functional solutions. To a degree, it could be argued that if the foundations are unstable, what good would it bring building on top of those as the higher you go, the less stable the foundations become. Personally, I believe that improving the game mode however proposed is redundant considering many of the factors I’ve mentioned. Added to that, despite the developers being great at what they did with RS5 – they are visibly demoralised and rightfully so.
I agree, economic stimulus is required but looking at the current player base it would not circulate wide enough to spur on long term growth. Let us also remember that the RS5 economy is very premature and underdeveloped - and it might take a number of years to gain credible momentum. In contrast, the RS4 economy was built over years, through incremental stages and while inflation was argued to be too high by the owner – we could resolve this issue by reducing players cash in hand and bank reserve by 25% across the community.
Ultimately, like I said to SugarD – the community is the ultimate voice and in the current standing of the poll, it’s clear that we have an absolute majority in favour of returning to RS4.
I'm quite sure what me and Frank are discussing is actually serious and not funny, same could be said for a few others. (Such as JDC and some others)Only You, Frank and Razor are serious. Others are funny.
What roleplay? :L
Only You, Frank and Razor are serious. Others are funny.
actual fun.
I'm quite sure what me and Frank are discussing is actually serious and not funny, same could be said for a few others. (Such as JDC and some others)
Quite possibly the main "core" of RS5 wasnt at the stage that everyone thought it would be at, yet I'd still imagine that the result of RS5 which has no bugs would be one that people would warm up to. Clearly there's a consensus that features of RS4 should be brought back because it's what people enjoyed in the game. If people don't enjoy it then there's something wrong, and for every problem there's a solution. After the reaction and shit people have given the developers without actually giving constructive feedback, it's what you'd expect like you said.
I'm basing my statements on the fact that I'm presuming RS5 will stay. So with that, I agree that the economy isn't in a state of actually giving a stimulus yet it isn't in a state where it can run by itself. If the player count does increase however I do believe that one large(ish) stimulus would be enough to keep the economy afloat.
Without players there is no community; without leaders the community has no guidance; without guidance there's no solutions.
RS4 lost data leading up to the release of RS5. I'm not sure who has the full set of scripts anymore (I'm presuming Gandalf kept some somewhere) but it would just require replacing the files. However, that being said, RS4 is a technical nightmare. The script itself isn't coded in a way that would be considered efficient nor does it take into account any other developers working on the script. It would be difficult to fix any bugs (of which there were quite a few, people forget that), the script would be inefficient and could potentially cause quite severe lag upon the server and there would be little to no chance of newer features being implemented.
I'd like to ask a few questions.
Why did the developers tought a new script was needed?
What was wrong with the old script, except the bugs and bad code already mentioned above?
Instead of making a new gamemode from scratch wich is totally different, why didn't the developers re-made RS4 from scratch using the coding used in RS5 and then carry on with adding new features/removing other stuff?
I get a feeling that what developers tought was wrong players tought was right. I think this the real reason we have this problem in the first place.
This is serious post. If you don't have a serious response then don't bother.
It wasn't necessarily the developers thought to create a new script but Gandalfs. http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103278.0I tought Gandalf was part of the developer team...
I'd like to ask a few questions.
Why did the developers tought a new script was needed?
What was wrong with the old script, except the bugs and bad code already mentioned above?
Instead of making a new gamemode from scratch wich is totally different, why didn't the developers re-made RS4 from scratch using the coding used in RS5 and then carry on with adding new features/removing other stuff?
I get a feeling that what developers tought was wrong players tought was right. I think this the real reason we have this problem in the first place.
This is serious post. If you don't have a serious response then don't bother.
I tought Gandalf was part of the developer team...Just as much as any other Server Owner, Community Leader, Division Leader, or Manager would be. Doesn't mean they are Developers directly themselves...
I tought Gandalf was part of the developer team...
Just as much as any other Server Owner, Community Leader, Division Leader, or Manager would be. Doesn't mean they are Developers directly themselves...
By the term developers I was just referring to the scripters, of course Gandalf is in a sense a developer though however he's leaving the scripting to the scripters themselves.
They were given the task of making his plan into a server.
I meant that the questions are directed to the developers team. I don't care who answers or who can answer... Understand my point?So you want an answer, but don't care who it comes from, yet you want it to be from the Developers anyway?
I agree, economic stimulus is required but looking at the current player base it would not circulate wide enough to spur on long term growth.Could be solved by either announcing that economic stimulus is on the way and then dividing some funds equally, or by producing it in terms of temporary in-game actions that will lead to high rewards, and to be done either one time only or, say, once a week? Once an hour, but only once per day per player? I know Gimli was thinking of a system that would support this a lot, but I doubt it got anywhere even remotely close to being finished, or knowing him, even started.
And by the way? This isn't f*cking Hogwarts, and "go online and RP" isn't a f*cking spell that saves the server.This isn't Harry Potter, so the references don't mean anything here either. Going online and RP'ing WILL solve the problem. People just refuse to because they don't want to use /me.
Stop with it already, 3 weeks of it, how is that working out for you?Worked quite well when 70 people came online for a SAPD meeting, during which time they did nothing but /me, /em, and /l in a single interior.
So you want an answer, but don't care who it comes from, yet you want it to be from the Developers anyway?I'm sorry but, I'll be very serious about this.. Do you have an issue reading or your just bad at english? I said I dont care who from the developer team. I want the person who is able to answer my questions to answer them. If it is Gandalf, then let's wait for his reply.
Going online and RP'ing WILL solve the problem. People just refuse to because they don't want to use /me.
If it is Gandalf, then let's wait for his reply.Congratulations! The wait is over! (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103278.0)
OH so that was the problem all the time? That players don't want to use /me? oh well.Pretty much.
This isn't Harry Potter, so the references don't mean anything here either..What the actual fuck
Oh excuse me, I'm sure going online and RPing will also solve the global warming and create a cure for aids and cancer, but so far there's no evidence to support any of these claims. And 70 people logged on because some people took actions to get people online, instead of never logging online themselves and repeating the same phrase over and over again, expecting rainbows to shine down on themselves while leprechauns jump around shaking their golden booties while 200 people roleplay.I'm sorry, but I didn't understand a single thing you just posted. Do you mind rephrasing it for me, please?
Seriously, are you on the internet for the first day or do you need the bullshit to get naked and dance on it's head for you to realise what it is and get it out of the way? Because if you do, you can start helping think up things HQ can actively do to solve the lack of players.
What the actual f**k
Congratulations! The wait is over! (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103278.0)Yeah, I'm sure that topic will answer all the questions below.
I'd like to ask a few questions.
Why did the developers tought a new script was needed?
What was wrong with the old script, except the bugs and bad code already mentioned above?
Instead of making a new gamemode from scratch wich is totally different, why didn't the developers re-made RS4 from scratch using the coding used in RS5 and then carry on with adding new features/removing other stuff?
Yeah, I'm sure that topic will answer all the questions below.Most of those questions were answered in Gandalf's post.
Going online and RP'ing WILL solve the problem. People just refuse to because they don't want to use /me.
Welcome to Europe, where we are capable of using words in such a manner to express just how exquisitely ridiculous we think something is, that when the other party doesn't have a bull's notion what you're on about, it finishes the argument then and there. And pours salt on the injury just as a cherry on top of the cake of stupidity.Too bad none of it held any relevance to the original subject this topic was about.
Again, the only way RS4 will return is if one accepts the challenge of Gandalf
"If one wishes for RS4 to return: you can either donate $400 and let the server reach the 200 player mark for an amount of time, Or you could make it yourself."
* Based on memory.
I don't know how Gandalf feels but I wouldn't want to pay for an empty server, as Conk said - wasting money.
And don't put your effort in trying to fix how to open and close the gate to LSPD garage and such things. That's not important now.Because it already opens and closes by itself.
Because it already opens and closes by itself.
Good, now let's wait for the players to storm ingameThey do. :rolleyes:
As far as i know most players just chose to migrate to other Argonath RPG servers, all paid for by gandalf :rolleyes:
It's about time that the leaders and developers start working on something that they think will solve the problem. (or first admit that it is a problem)They have admitted that there is a problem, and have already provided numerous solutions that everyone continues to ignore over and over again.
I know, but he still pays for an empty SA:MP server.
They have admitted that there is a problem, and have already provided numerous solutions that everyone continues to ignore over and over again.
They have admitted that there is a problem, and have already provided numerous solutions that everyone continues to ignore over and over again.
Because people like you talking a lot of gibberish. Other word for crap.
A rainbow world full with ponies.Hmmm?
People are complaining developers do not care about or listen to players, yet they ignore topics like THESE (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103344.0) that are focusing on improvement and are very quick to bitch instead.Or ones like this one:
The only bad girling I see around here is people like SugarD trying to defend the only thing that you guys have in mind; A rainbow world full with ponies. Get Real ppl
Cause we are not getting RS4 back, that's why we are complaining, duh.Then go find another server to play on if you don't like what this community has to offer.
Then go find another server to play on if you don't like what this community has to offer.
That's the spirit of Argonath! No wonder you loose players.Didn't loose them, they all here on the forum. Lazy to go in-game.
That's the spirit of Argonath! No wonder you loose players.We haven't lost anyone. Even those who refuse to do anything but sit on their ***es and moan at Developers are still here...
Cause we are not getting RS4 back, that's why we are complaining, duh.
Those who adapt and win, and those who cannot cope and lose.
I already tried it for a month (as you know) and I still don't like it, that's why I'll stick to 0.3z and another SA:MP community.Sure, but don't come here and advertise :)
Sure, but don't come here and advertise :)
Windows 98 was my first OS and I had a lot of memorable experiences on it too. But hey, I'm not getting it back either.Windows is a poor analogy to use because it works against the argument you're making. Windows 7 was what everyone liked, then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated. Technically the underlying systems were better and it had better performance, but it had features that nobody had asked for and were disliked across board (sound familiar yet?).
...Then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated.No it wasn't. People were upset that things had changed, but they didn't hate it. They just didn't want to adapt to it. They eventually got over it anyway.
Did MS force people to use it, at the risk of losing customers to a different OS? No, they changed it to make the desktop boot a default option because that's what people actually wanted. They made a compromise based on the actual needs of the users.They made a small compromise for a single, disliked detail as an added option. They didn't redo the entire thing from scratch, or start selling copies of Windows 7 again, (original or modified). People also actually listened to their solutions and tried them instead of *****ing about how much they hated the issue to begin with.
I already tried it for a month (as you know) and I still don't like it, that's why I'll stick to 0.3z and another SA:MP community.
JDC, please tell me how you contributed to SA:MP's gameplay in the past years other than thinking you know all the solutions and posting long posts on the forum and making the "Just RP It" slogan popular?Before I answer that question, will you accuse me of bragging after I answer your query?
The only thing that I see yourself enjoying is posting a lot of stuff related to the server, yet not doing anything.Funny, I am ingame regularly, circulating with other players and saving up money to start a regular event initiative. How are you contributing to SA:MP now, aside from not being here?
Saying "Just RP It" to ideas that could have developed the server a long time ago.
And last but not least, being a more stricter admin when it came to bans.
Windows is a poor analogy to use because it works against the argument you're making. Windows 7 was what everyone liked, then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated. Technically the underlying systems were better and it had better performance, but it had features that nobody had asked for and were disliked across board (sound familiar yet?).
Did MS force people to use it, at the risk of losing customers to a different OS? No, they changed it to make the desktop boot a default option because that's what people actually wanted. They made a compromise based on the actual needs of the users. You could make exactly the same comparison for XP, Vista and 7.
No it wasn't. People were upset that things had changed, but they didn't hate it. They just didn't want to adapt to it. They eventually got over it anyway.
They made a small compromise for a single, disliked detail as an added option. They didn't redo the entire thing from scratch, or start selling copies of Windows 7 again, (original or modified). People also actually listened to their solutions and tried them instead of *****ing about how much they hated the issue to begin with.
(unless someone here actually steps up to Gandalf's challenge and makes RS4 happen again. Anyone?)A very realistic challenge, by the way.
A very realistic challenge, by the way.What are you talking about? If the return of RS4 was the "right choice", then explain why not a single person has attempted his challenge to allow their demands to come true.
He only came up with such a challenge as a result of how RS5 turned out to be, well-knowing that returning to RS4 would be the right choice. Although, admitting failure can be tough, but not having the balls to do so even if it means "moving towards other projects" is just naive and moreover pitiful.
But go on, take your shortsighted mind with you and hold up your signs urging people to "Go IG - RP & have fun".
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32580887.jpg)
What are you talking about? If the return of RS4 was the "right choice", then explain why not a single person has attempted his challenge to allow their demands to come true.Yeah, alright. Let's donate 400 Euro and then on top of that, keep the server on 200+ players 24/7.
Not a single one.
Windows is a poor analogy to use because it works against the argument you're making. Windows 7 was what everyone liked, then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated. Technically the underlying systems were better and it had better performance, but it had features that nobody had asked for and were disliked across board (sound familiar yet?).
Did MS force people to use it, at the risk of losing customers to a different OS? No, they changed it to make the desktop boot a default option because that's what people actually wanted. They made a compromise based on the actual needs of the users. You could make exactly the same comparison for XP, Vista and 7.
Yeah, alright. Let's donate 400 Euro and then on top of that, keep the server on 200+ players 24/7.
Realistic.
I guess if you got challenged to jump off a building in order to keep RS5 alive, you'd probably jump straight away. Good for you.
I haven't a clue what you have been reading but no where did Gandalf say that the server must be on 200+ players constantly.Ah okay, I might have interpret that wrong, then. But it's still just... LOL.
He stated that there must be upto 200 unique players per day, as in logging in, not 200 players constantly online.
Before I answer that question, will you accuse me of bragging after I answer your query?Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
Funny, I am ingame regularly, circulating with other players and saving up money to start a regular event initiative. How are you contributing to SA:MP now, aside from not being here?And just because you probably (can't say since I don't play anymore) started being recently active you think you're the cure and Mr.KnowItAll for the whole situation? Where were you when the server was constantly at 150/150 and groups like Gvardia, Corleone, Ancelotti etc. were keeping the server alive? Or did you just decide to now get active to try to impress somebody? I kinda saw you post a few times that "you're doing this in game" and that "you're contributing by doing this in-game" and let me just ask you to please stop. There are a lot of people who have the right to claim that they really did contribute to something in Argonath and you're not one of them.
Many of those ideas were shit, by the way.Your opinion. Though your "just RP it" point of view wasn't really supported by the majority of the players.
I actually regret that I was not strict enough, as many of those who love to stay here and shit are still enjoying the freedom to do so. I'm wondering where they would be if Aragorn (who actually knows how to discuss a solution, despite being strict) was still around.Even if you were, that wouldn't have any effect right now.
19/100 now. Not full, but certainly not empty.
Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
And just because you probably (can't say since I don't play anymore) started being recently active you think you're the cure and Mr.KnowItAll for the whole situation? Where were you when the server was constantly at 150/150 and groups like Gvardia, Corleone, Ancelotti etc. were keeping the server alive? Or did you just decide to now get active to try to impress somebody?
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There are a lot of people who have the right to claim that they really did contribute to something in Argonath and you're not one of them.
I kinda saw you post a few times that "you're doing this in game" and that "you're contributing by doing this in-game" and let me just ask you to please stop.
I am not contributing because I left the server about two months ago.
Your opinion. Though your "just RP it" point of view wasn't really supported by the majority of the players.
Ironically, as the ideas that "harmed" the server now in RS5 are themselves products of PLAYER suggestions...More ironically is gandalf saying he had already planned, years ago, how he would like the server to look like (which came a reality with the upbringing of RS5).
I haven't a clue what you have been reading but no where did Gandalf say that the server must be on 200+ players constantly.Did RS4 panel data got all erased as well? I'd love to see a graph of unique logins per day prior to RS5, I know you could check it through the time online feature there (players per page times pages), but idk if you got other means.
He stated that there must be upto 200 unique players per day, as in logging in, not 200 players constantly online.
Did RS4 panel data got all erased as well?
At some points I totally agree with him. There are lots of ideas which can be implemented; such as removing the shitload amount of state cars to give the taxi duty an opportunity (just an example). But the main question is - .. who is going to do that? Actually I don't see anyone interested in doing it.
There have been huge mistakes in RS5 that made the amount of players to decrease. One of them is removing all the assets of the official groups. I mean, put yourself in the leaders place for a moment. How would you react? I have been in Gvardia for a long time and I know very well how the struggled for getting these properties. It's not just about Gvardia, it's about for every official group in RS4.1. I find it unfair and also disrespectful against the groups who kept the server alive.
But ehm, you could come up with an idea such as giving the official groups a chance of choosing five properties from RS4.1. But as I said, that's just one of the reasons why the server is falling down.
I'd hate to spawn in and have to run for 10 minutes to find a vehicle.
Maybe impose some kind of rental system at the airports where players can rent state vehicles?
You need to do this now since no cars got fuel :rolleyes:
The whole server's data got erased...
<Nonsense removed> - Devin
Well since someone removed my post I'll post it again.
Players won't get RS4 - SA:MP won't get players, it's very obvious.
Yup. Just sad they don't care.
Yup. Just sad they don't care.
Bullshit. The developers are already asking for solutions and constructive input (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103344.0), except people like yourself are too busy bitching instead of lifting a finger to help solve the problems.
Now how many more useless posts filled with moaning and empty of anything even remotely close to a solution will you spam this forum with?
instead of lifting a finger to help solve the problems.No need. They already know the solution :).
I'm sorry that I don't have the time (or the patience, really) to read all 55 pages, on top of other related topics, but what is everyone complaining about, exactly? From what I can understand with what little I've read so far, people are upset because of account resets, complicated economy systems, and an "unfinished" script - am I correct in saying that? If not, please inform me of what, exactly, is the problem...Exactly,
Exactly,A game is supposed to be fun, for a RPG you need to invest time and effort to get to the point where you have money to achieve said fun, to have it taken away from you isn't fun or fair, but I don't understand why people are still complaining, don't like changes and don't want to adapt? Join a server that is more stable and is always the same. Don't like the way managers handle things? This is a community not a server, either join a differen server wirhin the community orjoin a different community. You could also start playing different games, or or or the best one: focus on school, job and social life, if leaders don't want to change the server to yourliking there are always other options.
They won't start the life again(Earn money, to buy assets but money is not just the thing they have to do with, This is the Roleplay server, play the roles(Crimnal/Police or whatever) they want. but they won't as they think that they hardworked(Wasted time) for earning money, buying assests in Rs4, Isn't it just a game? :P
Why they blame on the scripters(They have made Very good script), but some people want rs4 to be back(It can not be happen as Scripters have been hardworking for years while scripting the server), They can earn money, buy assets again, if they want to spend their time on the server but if no, why do we care about them, they can leave(Many people left), new players will join the server(Soon).
New people, old people left, how is that a good thing, a community has history, history that can't be shared through new people, and jesus I mean you are a new person. If it weren't for older people than new players wouldn't know how to act and we would hit a point of anarchy. but than again players who have been here for countless years don't actually give a damn, if SAMP blows there is still VCMP, MTA SA, IVMP, Minecraft, SAMP Stunt. Oh and "Why blame it on the scripters" Because the game mode was scripted by magical peanuts shat out of the mother tree.
I'ts like logging on to a graveyard in there... Hope this wont lead to the demise of SA:MP Argo. Keep the hopes up and report those bugs!SAMP is going the VCMP road, tumbling down hill faster than a rolling boulder off a mountain, ofcourse that rock will hit a point where it still has a active community that consists of 5-10 players. And Aristotle, there aren't a lot of people playing SAMP, nobody new into gaming will go "Woah I should totally play a 10 year old game" look towards the future, GTA V, DayZ, Rust.
nobody new into gaming will go "Woah I should totally play a 10 year old game" look towards the future, GTA V, DayZ, Rust.The future is GTAV, DayZ and Rust?
The future is GTAV, DayZ and Rust?Well there isn't any good game on the horizon.. or one that has been released in past five years, I mean I have 92 games on steam and the only thing I play is occasionally Skyrim or Age of Empires, there aren't that many good games, unless you are a FPS guy and CoD every year makes your dick hard.. I can't wait for Everquest Next..
A good game that is only regarded as highly as it is based on the poor quality of the game before it and two poorly programmed, shitty indie quality games?
How absolutely f**king depressing.
Well there isn't any good game on the horizon.. or one that has been released in past five years, I mean I have 92 games on steam and the only thing I play is occasionally Skyrim or Age of Empires, there aren't that many good games, unless you are a FPS guy and CoD every year makes your dick hard.. I can't wait for Everquest Next..Age of Empires? Belive or not that was the first game I played and the last game I played today :eek:
Age of Empires? Belive or not that was the first game I played and the last game I played today :eek:Yeah, pretty much the only classic I play to this day.
It's undead.
This server started going down hill ever since the regular player base was catered for less and less at around early 2010. Role-play - I mean actual role-play, not implied through a script role-play, became an afterthought and it was all about how many scripts could be made to please server aesthetics and trigger happy bunny hoppers, you know, the random SA:MP server scrolling kiddies.That was the most interesting thing I saw this year! I joined in 2012 and I never expected something great existed before that. I still have hope that thing will go right...
The glory days were back when admins catered to role-play events and the ARPD had role-players in command, as soon as the focus turned to chasing orange dots for that cash pay-out, a community similar to that which is seen in Call of Duty was created; it was all about that kill and getting the high score, be it as a family or as a cop. I will refer to these as trigger-kids during this.
So slowly the dedicated regular role-players were churned and forced out of their positions by the trigger-kids, hostage situations were impossible to negotiate, the role-play was slowly watered down until it became all about "give me your money or i'll kill you", but I'm not even talking about a role-played mugging for cash, I'm talking about people getting so wrapped up in it that actual anger and actual intensity behind the attacks fueled the motives.
The ARPD similarly had people looking for the best way to kill suspects coming in and as a result? The SWAT I had founded was molested in to some sort of Nazi-regime kill squad, for those of you who know him Ben Samiir is prime suspect for being the leading trigger-kid in that turn of police generation, similarly this was seen in a lot of the new ARPD commanders and before long I had just lost respect for so many people, especially those that were allowing it to happen, for a time me and a few others tried very hard to fight it but the new admin trigger-kids (even Ben was made an admin can you believe?) were whispering sweet nothings that ensured their security.
We were told "you're old news, old SWAT and old ARPD isn't needed any more, you're out-dated". Can you believe the most organized thing the ARPD does now is drive a column of squad cars around? Lol, in comparison to what they used to be? Man there was some impressive stuff. The role-play was so well catered for that entire riots could be role-played out and the police wouldn't steam in and fire in M4s and uzis getting their $$$ in, it'd be riot formations and tactics, arrests and so on;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-171.png)
Batons at the ready.
SWAT team deployed to a truck that couldn't stop due to a bomb that would of set off on it if it did, SWAT deployed an operative ON TO the truck and successfully defused it;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-036.png)
A typical hostage scene, not like your rammed-out blockades and gun shots everywhere of today;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-032.png)
The team was a legend, the Mafia families created such incredible role-play, even the standard cop force was top notch; 80%+ used Teamspeak, spread out over radio channels to properly communicate the situations and people LOVED it. Though that was all dropped with new scripts and new ideas, the server leaders wanted everything to be open to everybody with-out any effort.
Before long it became TDM. Every time I logged on to the server, every couple of months or so I'd see it getting worse and worse; admins where on their knees to please new players and Gandalf and Aragorn were lapping up the player count so busily that they couldn't of been caring any less as to the effect it was having on the regular founding community.
So it continued, and continued and continues - building more and more scripts, quickly, hurriedly to please the new community monsters you created, until finally it caught up and bit you in the ass. I could of said "I told you so" but some how it doesn't seem like it would cut it.
I'm just glad for the awesome memories I have from the time when it was about role-play and not about the cash trigger-kiddies script and community that's circling around now-a-days. Does it leave me bitter? Yeah it does, it wasn't nice watching the server I loved turned in to an abomination of what it once was.
Maybe this will be a wake up call to the server owners or maybe this will be its death. Either way? Was bound to happen some day.
That was the most interesting thing I saw this year! I joined in 2012 and I never expected something great existed before that. I still have hope that thing will go right...
(too large to requote)You nailed it all right there. Exactly what I was talking about like twenty pages back.
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Unlike what those with eyes full of shit see, those who are in favor of RS5 already know about the existence and extent of the problems, which is why they work to help the situation in one way or another.You're the one who has shit in his eyes, you keep saying to people that they are not helping the community and you are. The community or at least a larger part of it wants RS4 not RS5. The people who keep asking for RS4 actually want to HELP the community and the server not the opposite. On the other hand you keep on saying that its better and it needs to stay, aren't you the one who isn't helping at all and just is making the situation which is shitty even more shitty? And if i'm wrong and RS5 at the end becomes better than RS4, than obviously thats good and then it should stay, however you are right that it is currently incomplete and maybe its potential will shine. But that is yet to be seen.
What RS5 is right now is an incomplete (not "under development") gamemode, with many vital scripts and features not loaded, and lots of bugs, which produces discontent from all sectors. Yet a good example of using it positively would be R.I.O.N. (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103769.0), where players channel their grievances and discontent about the current situation into a constructive manner.
But once those are fixed and the gamemode is adapted better to the needs of the players, that is where the potential of RS5 will shine, where its superiority to RS4 will show, and where [more] players will come back.
In the meantime, we need to keep playing and / or proposing solutions, so we will reach our end goal. Those who decide to do nothing but bitch are not contributing to that.
Reverting back to RS4 is not a solution. You don't know how much of their spare time have the scripters used to create RS5. If you feel that the scripts are complicated, then think how complicated making the scripts would be.
Reverting back to rs4 would basically mean telling the developers to take their two years of hard work and shove it up their ass, that is disrespecting their contribution the community. They have used their spare time to create a game mode for a gaming community. If their work is scraped, think how would they feel. Basically, they will feel that they have wasted a considerable amount of time on a game for nothing..
The scripters would be happy if you actually help them making rs5 easier as that would give them a sense of relief that their work has not gone in vain.
Reverting to RS4 is not going to help the community, it may actually cause a lot of differences within the HQ. Read this carefully to understand what I am trying to say.
*The truth that I wouldnt have the balls to say
I choose rs4 so far... and I do hope we get our hard earned properties back if possible but i know rs5 can beat rs4 it just needs time.
You're the one who has shit in his eyes, you keep saying to people that they are not helping the community and you are. The community or at least a larger part of it wants RS4 not RS5. The people who keep asking for RS4 actually want to HELP the community and the server not the opposite. On the other hand you keep on saying that its better and it needs to stay, aren't you the one who isn't helping at all and just is making the situation which is shitty even more shitty? And if i'm wrong and RS5 at the end becomes better than RS4, than obviously thats good and then it should stay, however you are right that it is currently incomplete and maybe its potential will shine. But that is yet to be seen.
A contradictory statement in itself. Developers have made it clear that properties in RS4 will not be returned, and that even on the second "RS4 Server" (supposing somebody actually steps up and takes Gandalf's challenge), people will start from scratch.I agree with what you have said but the truth is more players want RS4 rather than keep RS5 and there is no solution to that unless RS5 improves and other players join. As i type this there are 27 players online, that doesn't sound like much but its a improvement. I loved Argonath but unless it improves i won't play on the RS5 server. You asked what did i do to help, i played... a lot. And i had no intention to "turn your comments against you".
Then as early as now, I will state that you are wRONg.
The moaners who keep whining "RS5 sucks, we must return to RS4" are the ones who are not helping the community. Instead of helping developers (and other players) improve the new gamemode, they want the server to regress instead of progress.
Instead of giving a single bit of thanks for all the hard work (with zero pay and compensation; not even Division Leaders get free money for their personal accounts) that they put into making a more advanced gamemode, they shit all over innovation and send developers the message that all their hard work is nothing but a waste, a failure.
I don't make allegations, I state facts. Like others who have actually been contributing, I do the same by playing (and even starting a project to bring back events). Aside from shitting developers' work, how have you been useful to this community? So unless you can back up your statements, don't try turning my own comments on me as that does not work.
As for the group scripts, I have to object. Their purpose is not to create the group itself, but to make existing groups easier to manage. These are not from prison-RLRP servers, but merely an advancement of our own; Argonath had been using scripts designed for groups since the MTA:VC days, in the form of group/clan protection. Unless HQ decrees otherwise, groups are free not to use them if they do not want to.
And as for James Hunter's post, I may not agree with the way of phrasing some things (although I agree on the degeneration of groups such as in Ben_Samiir's case), but I agree on one major point.
The problems in the current situation are not the fault of the HQ alone, but of the players. All sectors had a part in its making, so we cannot point the finger at anyone in particular. This means that to solve the problem, all sides will have to cooperate as well; HQ-implemented solutions will be useless if players do not go along and decide to contribute to the problem instead.
I agree with what you have said but the truth is more players want RS4 rather than keep RS5 and there is no solution to that unless RS5 improves and other players join. As i type this there are 27 players online, that doesn't sound like much but its a improvement. I loved Argonath but unless it improves i won't play on the RS5 server. You asked what did i do to help, i played... a lot. And i had no intention to "turn your comments against you".
This server started going down hill ever since the regular player base was catered for less and less at around early 2010. Role-play - I mean actual role-play, not implied through a script role-play, became an afterthought and it was all about how many scripts could be made to please server aesthetics and trigger happy bunny hoppers, you know, the random SA:MP server scrolling kiddies.Very well said It is sad the most i ever enjoyed Argonath was 2009-2011 after that I quit. hope they read this because everything you said is correct.
The glory days were back when admins catered to role-play events and the ARPD had role-players in command, as soon as the focus turned to chasing orange dots for that cash pay-out, a community similar to that which is seen in Call of Duty was created; it was all about that kill and getting the high score, be it as a family or as a cop. I will refer to these as trigger-kids during this.
So slowly the dedicated regular role-players were churned and forced out of their positions by the trigger-kids, hostage situations were impossible to negotiate, the role-play was slowly watered down until it became all about "give me your money or i'll kill you", but I'm not even talking about a role-played mugging for cash, I'm talking about people getting so wrapped up in it that actual anger and actual intensity behind the attacks fueled the motives.
The ARPD similarly had people looking for the best way to kill suspects coming in and as a result? The SWAT I had founded was molested in to some sort of Nazi-regime kill squad, for those of you who know him Ben Samiir is prime suspect for being the leading trigger-kid in that turn of police generation, similarly this was seen in a lot of the new ARPD commanders and before long I had just lost respect for so many people, especially those that were allowing it to happen, for a time me and a few others tried very hard to fight it but the new admin trigger-kids (even Ben was made an admin can you believe?) were whispering sweet nothings that ensured their security.
We were told "you're old news, old SWAT and old ARPD isn't needed any more, you're out-dated". Can you believe the most organized thing the ARPD does now is drive a column of squad cars around? Lol, in comparison to what they used to be? Man there was some impressive stuff. The role-play was so well catered for that entire riots could be role-played out and the police wouldn't steam in and fire in M4s and uzis getting their $$$ in, it'd be riot formations and tactics, arrests and so on;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-171.png)
Batons at the ready.
SWAT team deployed to a truck that couldn't stop due to a bomb that would of set off on it if it did, SWAT deployed an operative ON TO the truck and successfully defused it;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-036.png)
A typical hostage scene, not like your rammed-out blockades and gun shots everywhere of today;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-032.png)
The team was a legend, the Mafia families created such incredible role-play, even the standard cop force was top notch; 80%+ used Teamspeak, spread out over radio channels to properly communicate the situations and people LOVED it. Though that was all dropped with new scripts and new ideas, the server leaders wanted everything to be open to everybody with-out any effort.
Before long it became TDM. Every time I logged on to the server, every couple of months or so I'd see it getting worse and worse; admins where on their knees to please new players and Gandalf and Aragorn were lapping up the player count so busily that they couldn't of been caring any less as to the effect it was having on the regular founding community.
So it continued, and continued and continues - building more and more scripts, quickly, hurriedly to please the new community monsters you created, until finally it caught up and bit you in the ass. I could of said "I told you so" but some how it doesn't seem like it would cut it.
I'm just glad for the awesome memories I have from the time when it was about role-play and not about the cash trigger-kiddies script and community that's circling around now-a-days. Does it leave me bitter? Yeah it does, it wasn't nice watching the server I loved turned in to an abomination of what it once was.
Maybe this will be a wake up call to the server owners or maybe this will be its death. Either way? Was bound to happen some day.
Very well said It is sad the most i ever enjoyed Argonath was 2009-2011 after that I quit. hope they read this because everything you said is correct.Agreed with you, Argonath is getting boring from now on (after releasing of RS5). I registered in 2013 and when i did, i really enjoyed it alot and love to play ArgonathRPG, The best server ever. RS4 had 100 of players every day but in RS5, Only 25 players? Why? in my openion, We have to move RS4 back in game. :)
Agreed with you, Argonath is getting boring from now on (after releasing of RS5). I registered in 2013 and when i did, i really enjoyed it alot and love to play ArgonathRPG, The best server ever. RS4 had 100 of players every day but in RS5, Only 25 players? Why? in my openion, We have to move RS4 back in game. :)I prefer rs2
Don't mind huh!!
This server started going down hill ever since the regular player base was catered for less and less at around early 2010. Role-play - I mean actual role-play, not implied through a script role-play, became an afterthought and it was all about how many scripts could be made to please server aesthetics and trigger happy bunny hoppers, you know, the random SA:MP server scrolling kiddies.
The glory days were back when admins catered to role-play events and the ARPD had role-players in command, as soon as the focus turned to chasing orange dots for that cash pay-out, a community similar to that which is seen in Call of Duty was created; it was all about that kill and getting the high score, be it as a family or as a cop. I will refer to these as trigger-kids during this.
So slowly the dedicated regular role-players were churned and forced out of their positions by the trigger-kids, hostage situations were impossible to negotiate, the role-play was slowly watered down until it became all about "give me your money or i'll kill you", but I'm not even talking about a role-played mugging for cash, I'm talking about people getting so wrapped up in it that actual anger and actual intensity behind the attacks fueled the motives.
The ARPD similarly had people looking for the best way to kill suspects coming in and as a result? The SWAT I had founded was molested in to some sort of Nazi-regime kill squad, for those of you who know him Ben Samiir is prime suspect for being the leading trigger-kid in that turn of police generation, similarly this was seen in a lot of the new ARPD commanders and before long I had just lost respect for so many people, especially those that were allowing it to happen, for a time me and a few others tried very hard to fight it but the new admin trigger-kids (even Ben was made an admin can you believe?) were whispering sweet nothings that ensured their security.
We were told "you're old news, old SWAT and old ARPD isn't needed any more, you're out-dated". Can you believe the most organized thing the ARPD does now is drive a column of squad cars around? Lol, in comparison to what they used to be? Man there was some impressive stuff. The role-play was so well catered for that entire riots could be role-played out and the police wouldn't steam in and fire in M4s and uzis getting their $$$ in, it'd be riot formations and tactics, arrests and so on;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-171.png)
Batons at the ready.
SWAT team deployed to a truck that couldn't stop due to a bomb that would of set off on it if it did, SWAT deployed an operative ON TO the truck and successfully defused it;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-036.png)
A typical hostage scene, not like your rammed-out blockades and gun shots everywhere of today;
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/JinLo/sa-mp-032.png)
The team was a legend, the Mafia families created such incredible role-play, even the standard cop force was top notch; 80%+ used Teamspeak, spread out over radio channels to properly communicate the situations and people LOVED it. Though that was all dropped with new scripts and new ideas, the server leaders wanted everything to be open to everybody with-out any effort.
Before long it became TDM. Every time I logged on to the server, every couple of months or so I'd see it getting worse and worse; admins where on their knees to please new players and Gandalf and Aragorn were lapping up the player count so busily that they couldn't of been caring any less as to the effect it was having on the regular founding community.
So it continued, and continued and continues - building more and more scripts, quickly, hurriedly to please the new community monsters you created, until finally it caught up and bit you in the ass. I could of said "I told you so" but some how it doesn't seem like it would cut it.
I'm just glad for the awesome memories I have from the time when it was about role-play and not about the cash trigger-kiddies script and community that's circling around now-a-days. Does it leave me bitter? Yeah it does, it wasn't nice watching the server I loved turned in to an abomination of what it once was.
Maybe this will be a wake up call to the server owners or maybe this will be its death. Either way? Was bound to happen some day.
I prefer rs2:neutral2: Now, i have to laugh? do i?
:neutral2: Now, i have to laugh? do i?miracle, belta didn't agree
miracle, belta didn't agreeOfcrce i'm not. Look, He said that he prefer RS2, right?
I prefer rs2So if you agree with him simply means that you also love to play the oldestserver, RS2. You missed RS3, RS4? Why RS2. I meant that RS4 is better than RS5 and now the topic has been moved to RS2 - RS5. :D Didn't it is? By the way, Enjoy your RS2.
So if you agree with him simply means that you also love to play the oldestserver, RS2. You missed RS3, RS4? Why RS2. I meant that RS4 is better than RS5 and now the topic has been moved to RS2 - RS5. :D Didn't it is? By the way, Enjoy your RS2.(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/832/dafuq-did-i-just-read-meme.jpg)
Ofcrce i'm not. Look, He said that he prefer RS2, right?So if you agree with him simply means that you also love to play the oldestserver, RS2. You missed RS3, RS4? Why RS2. I meant that RS4 is better than RS5 and now the topic has been moved to RS2 - RS5. :D Didn't it is? By the way, Enjoy your RS2.
Requesting this topic to be locked.Hold on now. At any time now, someone might walk by with a pocket full of money to bring back RS4 :lol:
Hold on now. At any time now, someone might walk by with a pocket full of money to bring back RS4 :lol:
Let's get real? At the end of the day, we all know RS5 is staying which makes any RS4 VS. RS5 topics nothing but pointless. Have fun discussing, though :)
I can script, hire me dudes!Same here. Every helping hand has been turned down so far.
Same here. Every helping hand has been turned down so far.
I can script, hire me dudes!
Same here. Every helping hand has been turned down so far.
:app: :app: :app:
Take your own decisions for once. Developers/scripters, talk with eachother about ideas and make something happen before the interest in the server is completly gone.
So all you can do is to sit on your asses until Gandalf is back from wherever he is? Take your own decisions for once. Developers/scripters, talk with eachother about ideas and make something happen before the interest in the server is completly gone.
SA:MP RPG is not the only one waiting on Gandalf; SA:MP Stunt is literally frozen to death until he returns.
I myself am a critic of RS5's implementation. But unlike some others, I am one of those who actually know how to genuinely respect and appreciate the effort that people put into this community to make your gameplay possible.So you're literally doing them a disservice, telling them that the game mode is good, that they will get players and things like that while knowing that it's pure bullshit.
So you're literally doing them a disservice, telling them that the game mode is good, that they will get players and things like that while knowing that it's pure bullshit.
Enough e-penis comparisons.
And yet it was magically running perfectly on my host without ANY downtime for the past 6 months. Since it returned to the main host it has been plagued with downtime. Some people just refuse to be helped.
Easy for you to sit back and point fingers while you've barely contributed anything (if at all). Now what have you done for this community recently, aside from getting banned for trolling and shitting (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=104125.msg1656215#msg1656215), pray tell?What have you done for this community, aside from constantly posting kilometers long messages that are completely pointless and do not help this
What have you done for this community, aside from constantly posting kilometers long messages that are completely pointless and do not help this(http://i58.tinypic.com/2uorpck.gif)communitySAMP server at all?
And honestly, I didn't expect you to criticize RS5. You've always liked anything the owners decided to do, maybe someone never told you, but you can have your own opinion. Gandalf is not gonna be mad on you, bro.
That's how much people still care. It's taking days to get a server back up, I'm not blaming Gandalf for this. But at least someone else should be able to get the server back running. Now it just looks like no-one cares...
What have you done for this community, aside from constantly posting kilometers long messages that are completely pointless and do not help thiscommunitySAMP server at all?
I do have my own opinion, hence why I do not give two f**ks about what the moaners think.
Because you cannot give your own answer, you throw the criticism back at me. I can give a long list, would you like it in forum-post, essay, list, infographic format, or a combination of those? :)>realizes that hes losing argument
But on second thought, as you have trouble understanding even my normal posts, I'll save yourcavemanbrain the trouble of comprehending it all. Although at the simplest and most basic item that I can put there is that I didn't get banned for trolling and shitting on server. :D
But on second thought, as you have trouble understanding even my normal posts, I'll save yourcavemanbrain the trouble of comprehending it all. Although the simplest and most basic item that I can put there is that I didn't get banned for trolling and shitting on server. :D
Speaking about Gandalf, do we know where is he? And please don't reply saying "at home".
Remember that those moaners are the players. Still, you do mind their opinions by replying to them hence why they throw shit back at you, even now that you are just another normal member of this community like them, besides the attitude and thoughts of each of us, we are all the same here.
Yes, I'm tired of the "We can't do anything because Gandalf needs the last word". Well step the f**k up and do it since he can't be here all the time and if he asks why just tell it's for the community.
>realizes that hes losing argument
>personal attack will do it, yes, definitely
Low.
In Stunt's case, not even caion, Kent, or Steven canThey were perfectly able to restart it on their Dutch host over which Phil and Caion had full control since september. Ever since it was moved back to the main "official" host, the server has been plagued with downtime.restartreboot it, but only Gandalf. Stunt is not down because no one cares, but becaus Gandalf is currently inactive. Unfortunate, but true.
as you could not even answer my simple question on the last page.And what counts as contributing community?
They were perfectly able to restart it on their Dutch host over which Phil and Caion had full control since september. Ever since it was moved back to the main "official" host, the server has been plagued with downtime.
And what counts as contributing community?
Simple enough for you to understand now?Simple enough for you to understand that I'm not playing SAMP server anymore?
And what counts as contributing community?
If reporting bugs is helping, sorry, I can't do that since the Argonath server where I'm currently playing on has no bugs :neutral2:
Simple enough for you to understand that I'm not playing SAMP server anymore?Are you then aware that you're posting in SAMP board?
Let's get real, you better read this http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=96152.msg1636652#msg1636652 (if you haven't yet) or stop playing a game where you are getting a slap in it each time you say a word.That's the damn point, I told a guy "rule #37, no jokes on Argonath" and got a ban for trolling and things.
Are you then aware that you're posting in SAMP board?Yes.
Simple enough for you to understand that I'm not playing SAMP server anymore?
That's the damn point, I told a guy "rule #37, no jokes on Argonath" and got a ban for trolling and things.You should be aware that you did it as a kind of poor "troll" then
He did not provoke you directly from no-where, he just replied to you because you came up to this topic like Miley Cyrus on a wrecking ball with no such sence.
Oh yes and the reason why I started posting here is not relevant to SAMP, but JDC's constant provocations.
That is the problem: Nobody knows, and it is affecting us all.
Popping around to shit on something you don't even contribute to only makes you stupid and ungrateful.I'm not shitting on any server right now, just replying to your posts.
If you intend to continue the in-game shitting on the forum instead, then remember that division leaders can also have you removed from the forum.
You should be aware that you did it as a kind of poor "troll" then:lol:
He did not provoke you directly from no-where, he just replied to you because you came up to this topic like Miley Cyrus on a wrecking ball with no such sence.He actually provoked others with his famous line "[provocation here] [provocation here], but that aside...". And yes, constantly posted posts like "You're not contributing blah blah blah"
He actually provoked others with his famous line "[provocation here] [provocation here], but that aside...". And yes, constantly posted posts like "You're not contributing blah blah blah"They didn't hire you as a lawyer to talk instead of them, then. They can talk and argue by themselves. So accept the fact what actually you're in or keep watching without talking.
They didn't hire you as a lawyer to talk instead of them, then. They can talk and argue by themselves. So accept the fact what actually you're in or keep watching without talking.Last time I checked this is Argonath RPG forum, not Argonath SAMP forum.
Last time I checked this is Argonath RPG forum, not Argonath SAMP forum.
They didn't hire you as a lawyer to talk instead of them, then. They can talk and argue by themselves. So accept the fact what actually you're in or keep watching without talking.Re-read pls. :rage:
Re-read pls. :rage:Re-read pls :rage:
I'm not shitting on any server right now, just replying to your posts.By saying that the work of our developers is (verbtim) "pure bullshit"?
And yes, constantly posted posts like "You're not contributing blah blah blah"Because those people were not contributing anyway.
Last time I checked this is Argonath RPG forum, not Argonath SAMP forum.You might want to do a double-take as to what board you are in right now. You would also want to do a double-take of the rules and find out where insulting the developers' work falls under.
Now it is a simple question. Why don't we know what is going on with "our owner"?
By saying that the work of our developers is (verbtim) "pure bullshit"?I didn't say that their work is pure bullshit, but your posts that are saying how their work is completely done and things like that.
Because those people were not contributing anyway.
You might want to do a double-take as to what board you are in right now. You would also want to do a double-take of the rules and find out where insulting the developers' work falls under.
RS5 is the work of volunteer devs with contributions from admins and players who helped. What I find to be such a piss-off is people like you making senseless claims such as it being "pure bullshit", which are huge insults to every single one of those who helped. So please, don't lie to us by saying you are not shitting anyone.
Moving back to a point related to the original subject of the topic. Kostas gave a good comment there, at least i would like to know if the staff knows the reason of Gandalf's inactivity.
Does Gandalf have to know why are you going to be inactive or why were you inactive?
I didn't say that their work is pure bullshit
...telling them that the game mode is good, that they will get players and things like that while knowing that it's pure bullshit.
but your posts that are saying how their work is completely done and things like that.
RS5 is an innovative system with a flawed implementation. Once the flaws are removed and the implementation smoothened, then the system can shine at its full potential.
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The scripts need change and fixing.
Everything in this post (click for full version) (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=104051.msg1654647#msg1654647)
What RS5 is right now is an incomplete (not "under development") gamemode, with many vital scripts and features not loaded, and lots of bugs, which produces discontent from all sectors.
I was one of those who were quick to acknowledge and point out flaws in RS5
I am certain everyone here (including me, for those who would assume otherwise) agrees that RS5 is in need of improvement
Does Gandalf have to know why are you going to be inactive or why were you inactive?
Does Gandalf have to know why are you going to be inactive or why were you inactive?Very wrong post man. He is the one in charge for a community, neither me or ManoliLc have such a big impact to anyone.
Back in Sweden, wants to log on Argonath. See's the player list.. 1/100..Update to 0.3z.
S e r i o u s l y.
EDIT: ah lol you cant even log on
Update to 0.3z.Ah. So you can log on, but there's still no players..
Ah. So you can log on, but there's still no players..I did not want to share this as it was a personal message for a reason, but jesus christ people, gandalf is aware of people not wanting to play.
Something has to happen or else this will go rocket launcher straight under earth.
Neither the community, nor I am going anywhere. 2014 is the year we will start launching our own stuff that nobody will be able to rip off. MTA:VC has died, it seems SAMP in general is not doing too well and going the way of VCMP.
So we will need to find what people are playing together today and go in to that. We are not needing to stat stuck in one type of game or server, we simply will add that where people are already.
Regards,
Gandalf
Okay guys, enough is enough. Making each other look like asses or having contributed to the community in some way does not make your penis bigger. We did not come here to discuss about who's done what to help the community and who did nothing. We're here to solve the worst case scenario we're currently at - two years of development gone to waste. How about we start arriving at solutions and coming up with ideas instead of trying to show off your skills of undermining others.What situation? it's the player base's fault, you don't want to log into the server and cry that others don't, nobody will join a server with 1 person online, join and there will be 2, someone will see your name and there will be 3, somehow 30 after a while, going "meh nobody is playing anyway" isn't helping either. This "worst case scenario" is being caused by the playerbase, they decided not to play, so how do you save the server? Play the god damn server, and new people will join.. it's really that simple.
..it's really that simple.
But nobody wants to play on a bugged server, that's why they don't play.Oh well, I didn't play enough to notice any bugs, fuck it than, blame scripters and division leaders.. actually division leaders who script... hmm .. so Zaila, sup with you, been doing some scripting?
But nobody wants to play on a bugged server, that's why they don't play.
Oh well, I didn't play enough to notice any bugs, f**k it than, blame scripters and division leaders.. actually division leaders who script... hmm .. so Zaila, sup with you, been doing some scripting?
But nobody wants to play on a bugged server, that's why they don't play.
I do not want to put our whole conversation on the forum, but since Gandalf isn't here to calm your tits maybe his 2 month old reply will have effects on you.No one needs to "calm my tits". I am more calm now than ever before. Someone has to look themselves in the mirror because Argonath SA:MP has died, for some reason. You don't abandon a stable part of the community just when the flow drops. It has been the real spirit since I dunno when. And for some serious reason there are no players there anymore. I will rewrite what I wrote a couple of twenty pages back.
Saying that there are no players would be kind of false. In the evenings it usually gets to 30-40 - just as much as there was on RS4 in the afternoons.Wow, that's a lot.
Saying that there are no players would be kind of false.
Give Al_Svensson full rights to script for the server and he will give you all what you want. Are you with me? :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: hail Al, the best scripter of samp history. Please step forward Al and tell us about your plans.
I've been banned in the past. There is a very little chance that it will ever happen. :lol:
I was banned three or four times in the past.. :rolleyes:I have never been banned. I just was a critic of the way SA:MP was scripted. Yet i've never been a part of the SA:MP scripting team.
I've seen Al's work, hire him!!! :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:
chinks
I have never been banned. I just was a critic of the way SA:MP was scripted. Yet i've never been a part of the SA:MP scripting team.
Argonath has always lacked the most important part of a roleplay server
Pray tell, what would this be?Argonath has been lacking roleplay throughout the years. And that's the truth.
Also, are you basing this comparison on other "roleplay" servers? (nearly all of which are realistic or prison-RLRP servers)Well, I do. Since most of these servers has the highest amount of good quality roleplay. And no, it isn't always about being super-serious and strict on these servers, it does actually happen weird events and roleplays there as well. :) Been playing quite much on one of them in my previous years. Roleplay is top notch, community not so good.
- Basing of roleplay on standards of creativity and imagination, rather than scripts and script toolsRules or not, the whole point with my previous reply was not to start a war between RLRP and Argonath once again, it was to actually show my honest opinion of why I actually think the community is spreading sideways and not at the same direction. Argonath has always been a powerful and astonishing community, hence its transcendence. But without proper roleplay, the community will be hurt; and that's exactly what has happened.
- Not limiting players in roleplay to "rules" set up by people who do not have brains to know whether something in /L refers to RP scenario or real life
- Welcoming new players with open arms, rather than discriminating on and ostracizing themThree good points indeed. But how does this effect the roleplay? It doesn't.
- Choosing admins on reliability and trustworthiness, rather than tenure or ability to pay
- Being able to moan without having all posts 100% hidden, which other communities do to make it look like nothing is wrong (in which case a topic like this will NEVER have a chance of existing)
Argonath has been lacking roleplay throughout the years. And that's the truth.
It doesn't even matter how hard you try to defend it, because you can't. It is what it is.
Well, I do. Since most of these servers has the highest amount of good quality roleplay. And no, it isn't always about being super-serious and strict on these servers, it does actually happen weird events and roleplays there as well. :) Been playing quite much on one of them in my previous years. Roleplay is top notch, community not so good.
Rules or not, the whole point with my previous reply was not to start a war between RLRP and Argonath once again, it was to actually show my honest opinion of why I actually think the community is spreading sideways and not at the same direction. Argonath has always been a powerful and astonishing community, hence its transcendence. But without proper roleplay, the community will be hurt; and that's exactly what has happened.
Three good points indeed. But how does this effect the roleplay? It doesn't.
After all, we all came to Argonath because we found it interesting with roleplay. The community and the big warm heart was just one big bonus and got us all pretty caught to the heat and its passion. Nevertheless, most of the good roleplayers we actually had here, doesn't-matter-which-style, has left the server and the community to meet new faces and new challenges. Those who are left are mostly inactive or just on the forum to keep their activity level and themselves up. What is being left behind is the bunny-hoping cop killaz, who has no intention of making Argonath a better place; just to screw around and be a bunch of total cherries, and a cop force who's roleplay level has decreased enormously.
Wrong steps were taken in the past, kicking on the one's who actually tried to roleplay here, giving the carelessly the space and right to do whatever they want on Argonath. Breaking rules, doing bad shit all over, continuing to spread a negative atmosphere, destroying the heart and small amount of roleplay being left behind. It's sad. It is really.
if you bring on problems and no solutions you aren't helping anyone.I've spent more time than most of the people doing groups, roleplays and scenarios to benefit the server, helping new players to become really good roleplayers. Doesn't really matter what you do because the cop killaz has always had more room to keep on doing their shit to ruin it all for everyone else. All groups I had or made died because of the boredom of roleplaying alone, with every other group around the city doing nothing else but shooting and doing non-creative activities. That's the difference between the other server I used to play on, with 400 players online as we speak and Argonath with.. 10 players, with at least five who's AFK. And everything that is put on the table is that how shitty and bad that is, and the players there are, instead of actually see what they're doing to keep their players, community and activity rate so high, keeping the standard good and quantity of roleplay to the maximum with only a pretty basic script that is.
I mean you were there 5 years ago Que.. you even replied to the topic, you know it's been going down hill since forever, just realize it will eventually die, deal with it and let it burn in front of your eyes, it has been fun on this side for me thus far..I have dealt with it. I'm not even playing anymore. I am on the forum just like everyone else because I like to write on English and enjoy one or two topics nowadays. It is just sad how things turned out when people even mentioned it, like you said, five years ago. It shocks me that people are surprised over this.
Saying that there are no players would be kind of false. In the evenings it usually gets to 30-40 - just as much as there was on RS4 in the afternoons.I don't know why people are so proud to say that there are 30-40 players on the server (not to mention only sometimes) when we had much more in RS4. I wonder what RS4 you're talking about, because the one I know usually had over 100 players on...
Also, are you basing this comparison on other "roleplay" servers? (nearly all of which are realistic or prison-RLRP servers)
Well, I do. Since most of these servers has the highest amount of good quality roleplay. And no, it isn't always about being super-serious and strict on these servers, it does actually happen weird events and roleplays there as well. :) Been playing quite much on one of them in my previous years. Roleplay is top notch, community not so good.
Rules or not, the whole point with my previous reply was not to start a war between RLRP and Argonath once again, it was to actually show my honest opinion of why I actually think the community is spreading sideways and not at the same direction.
A lot of those people who have supported RS5 from the beginning need to just come down and accept the fact that we're losing/lost players, and it's not because of "exams".I just realized something, why didn't they listen to us?
Neither the community, nor I am going anywhere. 2014 is the year we will start launching our own stuff that nobody will be able to rip off. MTA:VC has died, it seems SAMP in general is not doing too well and going the way of VCMP.Our leader thinks SAMP is dying, so why would you try to bring back RS4..
So we will need to find what people are playing together today and go in to that. We are not needing to stat stuck in one type of game or server, we simply will add that where people are already.
We are certainly planning to upgrade, in fact RS5 was planned anyway as the last game mode to be released for SAMP.So someone start fucking singing "this is the end" because there will be no RS6 that fixes everything, maybe small patches here and there, but nothing uber fucking fantastic.
He doesn't owes anyone here anything,he got his family and life to take care of.
I won't even read your mile long post JDC,I'll just step by here few months later and I am sure I won't see improvements.
JDC, did it go "step up, or shup up"? Seems like someone chose the latter and forgot about the stepping up part ;)
I won't even read your mile long post JDC,I'll just step by here few months later and I am sure I won't see improvements.Avoiding problems is the best! Amiriteguys?
The players is not the issue, the issue is the inactive hq. Creds to Devin and Jones though.and Leon and Rusty
Avoiding problems is the best! Amiriteguys?Sorry,but virtual community is not a problem of mine,I got more important things than that.
I'd love to see you finish any kind of essay if 300 words is a mile for you.
and Leon and Rusty
recreating RS4
The players is not the issue, the issue is the inactive hq. Creds to Devin and Jones though.
Why do you compare simple conversation to essay?
Regardless of the topic at hand or my stance on a matter, as someone who has seen Argonath development processes from the inside and out, I have to call bullshit on the claim that someone else aside from an Argonath developer can recreate RS4. Imitate, maybe. No one has succeeded in recreating RS4 at the Argonath level of sophistication. (the Raven's Roleplay gamemode is far below the level of a competent Argonath scripter)
Actually we spent 3-4 months coding a completely new one from scratch, ravens was only a temporary one, Not for advertisement purposes as i'd ban you instantly if you came, but I'll even show you if you wish.My I get the freedom to say "fuck off", seriously.
Ask 40% of the members from here that came, it's been done, stop trying to claim it as bullshit, RS4 was an EXTREMELY Simple script.
As for the topic, RS5 is dead, and yes, Devin and Jones are doing something about it, but there's nothing they can do without Gandalf.
In my view, RS5 will stay dead.
That's the thing,this topic is all about points,each one got a point about everything,but no one faces the fact,nothing is going to change,doesn't matter how much you write or how well you say your points or how right they are,just be realistic already and stop acting like in a holywood family movie where ending is good.There can't be a bad ending, everyone had their fun.. it's about the journey not the destination, everyone knows things die, it was fun while it lasted. Did you have fun? If you did you wouldn't just step away, I say I've been watching from a far seeing it burn down yet I'm every day at the forum going "FEEEX EEET". And if 30 regular players is dead to you.. well damn, still more people than can be in a GTA 5 multiplayer game. It's not dead, it's just broken, like a retarded puppy, just drooling on itself, you can help and teach him or.. you can walk away, RS5 is our retarded puppy.
No one has succeeded in recreating RS4 at the Argonath level of sophistication.I guess you don't know Moker_Gvardia.
My I get the freedom to say "f**k off", seriously.
we spent 3-4 months
an EXTREMELY Simple script.
So what you are saying is we need to quote someone else and writhe the exact same thing only with our own words?
If you guys believe that Gandalf the savior is gonna come and save the day you're wrong.right my friend, helix is our lord and savior
right my friend, helix is our lord and saviorPRAISE HELIX
you probably wont even remember what SA:MP means..... .... .... u are a SHAME FOR THIS SERVER !!!! Im gettin mad u naughty boy !!
Damn Argonath is slowly dying.Slowly? When RS4 died it took half of the community with it.
Slowly? When RS4 died it took half of the community with it.I think he meant that the other half is dieing slowly ;)
do u need permission by gandalf to fix bugs as well?
No. But if you know the exact problem that the development team is going through right now (which I am not pleased with either), then you won't be asking this question.
No. But if you know the exact problem that the development team is going through right now (which I am not pleased with either), then you won't be asking this question.
So what is actually happening with them? Inactivity? Someone died? Shouldn't we know anything what's going on?
Hmm.
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Yes; he came online, read forums, watched Emmet's profile and left. :D
He always checks my profile. :( :(
Looking at that poll result does get me thinking.
124 (54.1%) - 73 (31.9%) - 32 (14%)
Let's bring our as*es together, people. If they don't care about getting their SA:MP server to a proper state, then fine, let us act for the sake of the server we all love, even though it isn't our responsibility.
Awesomeness cost 400 Euro, they say. Divided by 124, that is just about 3 Euro each person. Some donates less, some more, little by little we will make it.
66 pages here alone + all the other topics - Are you a talker or a doer? Time to take action!
You can get the RS4 only if you pay for it.Honestly, do you blame him for having doubts? I myself doubt Gandalf would bring back RS4 if that amount of cash was received.
based on what we've seen over the past few months, it seems like he is perfectly okay with his SAMP server going down.
You can get the RS4 only if you pay for it.lol, agreed!
I myself doubt Gandalf would bring back RS4 if that amount of cash was received.Why not?
'Please focus on the inportant bugs first like vehicles bug and quick please"I can assure you, they're working on bugs as the primary priority. It's most likely the fact that there's only like 2 of them, and people keep getting on their case to fix stuff. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if people were yelling at you, trying to get you to fix a bug or something similar. I know that's how I'd feel.
Listen to the veterans, listen to the one's who actually can contribute with ideas, thoughts and visions to brighten up the future. It's about time.
Keep fighting, and day by day positive change will come. I promise that.Exactly! Seems Vince always knows what to say :D
Awesomeness cost 400 Euro, they say. Divided by 124, that is just about 3 Euro each person. Some donates less, some more, little by little we will make it.
66 pages here alone + all the other topics - Are you a talker or a doer? Time to take action!
are you asking for RS4 for its scripts, or for your previous possessions?I've said time and time again; one of the best things of RS5 was the reset. If RS4 was to be brought back to light, I would most definetly vote for a full reset there as well.
I could also donate a few bucks, though I don't neccessary want RS4 back but RS5 being developed further! :D
As some of the players stated that they have made the server complicated. No, they have not.
- Newbies become angry if they get pick-pocketed...
How do you explain addition of wallet system or pickpocket ?
A way of keeping your money safe and managed whilst preventing players of stealing your money.
Simple enough.
Was there any need of it?Both /pickpocket and the wallets are meant for each other, as the wallet keeps money safe for /pickpocket.
I'm willing to save this community for what it's worth.
Are you?
A way of keeping your money safe and managed whilst preventing players of stealing your money.So let's bring a cops and robbers mechanic to a RP server..
Simple enough.
Let us not steer ourselves away from the question, gentlemen."this community" is not only the SAMP server, I'm willing to save this community, and let SAMP rott.
How do you explain addition of wallet system or pickpocket ?I guess you really don't read before posting. IT has no been realeased yet, but later you will be able to share the wallets, which I think it's a pretty good idea. There will also be group wallets.
1.Addition of wallet system
-Leads to RP in no way
- Has eradicated the use of /pickpocket to 98%
How do you explain addition of wallet system or pickpocket ?This is a RP server, if someone opens fire on you for no RP reason, /report him. It has been stated several times that killing someone because they /pickpocket'ed you without any RP is DM.
2. Addition of Pick Pocket
- It leads to RP for only those interested in an RP otherwise it leads to a shootout.
- Newbies become angry if they get pick-pocketed and may lead themselves to DM or revengekilling.
"this community" is not only the SAMP server, I'm willing to save this community, and let SAMP rott.
With all due respect, the SA:MP community has been the most active, and the most thriving community out of all Argonath servers prior to the implementation of RS5 (as far as I know, please correct me if I am wrong).And it was full of people that had no idea what are they supposed to do on the server.
With all due respect, the SA:MP community has been the most active, and the most thriving community out of all Argonath servers prior to the implementation of RS5 (as far as I know, please correct me if I am wrong). Many of us were a part of it - I was a part of it. So do forgive me if I sound selfish when I say I want to revive my old community. Many of us would not be here right now if we weren't interested in ArgonathRPG SA:MP in the first place.That is because you weren't here before, and neither was I, the community was founded on MTA VC as far as I know and that died, next big thing was SAMP which is slowly dying, now IVMP is gaining popularity, and MTA SA, it isn't one thing that leads a community, as far as I know SAMP brought the most stupid people, I was one of them, but after 5 years I know my place here. SAMP brought a lot of new players but also a ton of people that were tearing the comunity apart, there were no DDOS attacks before SAMP,.. Stop looking at one thing, make your perspective broader.
next big thing was SAMP which is slowly dyingI've been saying that myself. But it still amazes me how so many actually believe it would be dying even if RS4 remained.
It is dying because of RS5. Period. Face the facts.Opinions*
It is dying because of RS5. Period. Face the facts.
How do you explain addition of wallet system or pickpocket ?
1.Addition of wallet system
-Leads to RP in no way
- Has eradicated the use of /pickpocket to 98%
2. Addition of Pick Pocket
- It leads to RP for only those interested in an RP otherwise it leads to a shootout.
- Newbies become angry if they get pick-pocketed and may lead themselves to DM or revengekilling.
you cannot /pickpocket newbies.True that.
1. Use of wallet:Such things even existed in rs4 , that needed just an imaginative mind. Addition of that became a complexity now, like transferring loose change to wallet just after firemissions or any other income. You even cant deposit money in ATM without using wallet. And commands like /addcard and all have made it complex. In rs4 we had just deposit . Withdraw money. That was awesome and other things could have been RPed imaginatively.
- As you stated that there is no way to RP, of the wallet system. No, not really mate. It's up to the player that he properly use the wallet system through "ROLEPLAY".
- According to my knowledge, you cannot /pickpocket newbies.
Much complexity, very hard, wowThen you better attend the school, I'm sure I was taught to read in first grade, don't know about you.
1. It is difficult for newcomers. Fact is that people who are rather new to SA:MP will view this script as way too complicated.Well If you start every server in SA:MP if u are new in it, every server and every script will be complicated, cause u are new and u never saw them before.
2. RS5 is full of bugs. Every day i see tons of people complaining on main chat about all sorts of bugs. The most annoying is the one which makes you loose all your weapons after relogging, and also after quiting fireman job.If people know that weapon system bugs when u relog, why do they even buy a shitload of weapons, if u buy less weapons you will not feel the bug.
3. Playerbase fell alot.Indeed it fell alot, but never say never.
If you ask me, RS5 compleatly ruined Argonath. In this period of the day, there were 100+ players, sometimes even 150 while Argo was using RS4, but now there is 30 max. The server is compleatly ruined. There is barely a dozen of people who are willing to RP, but damn, that is not much at all, and not to mention that they are not always online, so there is regularly around 5, 6 people online that are actually willing to RP.Everyone has to move forward one day, don't you think so?
Now, i know that a rain of comments will come on me telling that this aint truth, BUT THIS IS the ABSOLUTE truth. Argo is ruined, and there is NO argument that can proove me wrong. Dont trust me? Look at the pole, majority of players thing the same.Argonath SA:MP server is ruined, and everyone can notice that, but why don't everyone that is active in forums, which is the real amount of players that were active as hell in RS4 go in RS5 and have fun with each other like everyone used to have in RS4.
and have funHow can you have fun? Juve are not even in the Champions League anymore, but yeah you're ahead in the league so just have fun there :D
How can you have fun? Juve are not even in the Champions League anymore, but yeah you're ahead in the league so just have fun there :D
The usual "have fun" answer can be said to practically anything.
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Dafuq happened to you ?
Nigguh trying to become :lol:
Weapon system isn't bugged... Well, you don't lose weapons on relog, that is. You might lose them on server crashes, but, the developers added /saveapons, use it.That is what most people view as bugged.
RS5 script maybe looks like a great improvment in ArgonathRPG, but infact it is mroe like this:Script is not complicated. If you think so, please tell me which part. I'd be more than happy to explain that it's not.
1. It is difficult for newcomers. Fact is that people who are rather new to SA:MP will view this script as way too complicated.
2. RS5 is full of bugs. Every day i see tons of people complaining on main chat about all sorts of bugs. The most annoying is the one which makes you loose all your weapons after relogging, and also after quiting fireman job.>Playerbase fell alot
3. Playerbase fell alot.
4. Shure, jobs that have been added (like mechanich job) are good in a way that they require RP to be done, but with server being empty all the time (by empty i mean 10 players all day long except at night when there is no more than 30 players) and tons of players not willing to roleplay, people cannot earn money. Over half of players are on cop duty, other half are either crinimal gorups or civilians, but without jobs, they dont have cash, and without cash they have no will to do criminal RP because if they get shot by cops they will loose that small amount of money they have.I do agree with you, all the jobs require RP.
Hey guys just a small tip, If you are going to report each others posts, then don't start provoking back but just report the posts.
Who the f**k are you?
So if they gave everyone their assets in RS5 players would join? No, the script is utter and total ass right now.
So if they gave everyone their assets in RS5 players would join? No, the script is utter and total ass right now.I never said that.
I never said that.I think he quoted the wrong post.
Even if we could get our assets in RS5, I doubt that the activity would reach 50 players per day.
We dislike the new, complicated scripts, not the account reset.
I think he quoted the wrong post.Oh, yeah, didn't think of that...
I never said that.
Even if we could get our assets in RS5, I doubt that the activity would reach 50 players per day.
We dislike the new, complicated scripts, not the account reset.
today
The amount of players does not always equal success.
In RS3, we had a maximum of 50-70 players every day, but the overall quality of the community back then was much higher.
This gives you another question to ponder on: removing scripts from the picture, what was it back then that is lacking now, and how can we bring it back?
Lets face it, RS4 will never be back. I dont know what kind of :weed: Gandalf smokes, but even a nigga on Salvia could see that Argo SAMP server's ratings are GONE as long as RS5 is here.
Lets face it, RS4 will never be back. I dont know what kind of :weed: Gandalf smokes, but even a nigga on Salvia could see that Argo SAMP server's ratings are GONE as long as RS5 is here.
SERVER INFO, SATURDAY, 11:30 AM
HostName: Argonath RPG
Address: samp.argonathrpg.com:7777
Players: 7 / 100
Ping: 47
Mode: Rock Stars RPG 5.0
Map: San Andreas
At this point of this day, when RS4 was in use there were approx 40-70 players online. Now there is 7.
I dont know what the hell he is trying to proove to the players. Whatever it is, it is not worth killing this server, i mean only a fool would put SO MUCH time into this server, and then just kill it. Sorry, but that is f**ked up.
I see many people crying about RS5 popularity, THAN WHY U STAY IN FORUMS AND KEEP CRYING WHEN U CAN ACTUALLY GO IN GAME AND RAISE THAT POPULARITY U ARE CRYING ABOUT?
OH WAIT YOU HAVE NO TIME TO PLAY CAUSE YOU HAVE TO CRY IN FORUM.
One question, WHY YOU WANT RS4 BACK?
It's 11:37 and you expect 50-70 people online by now?
The only way you can see this peak is during either the evening, afternoon or night.
I started my group some days ago, I have around $6000 yet I manage to have fun every day. :)
Script is easier, more fun, frankly i enjoyed RS4 alot more than i enjoy RS5, and not just me, EVERYONE.This is a fact, right ?
i enjoyed RS4 alot more than i enjoy RS5, and not just me, EVERYONE.
Well since i enjoy RS5 more than RS4 soo... kinda wrong..
71 pages, are you guys serious?
We see a lot of people complaining of assets they lost during resetIt's a reset. Some people like it, some people don't. Nothing one can do about it really. Personally I believe a reset was a good choice because frankly the economy was really bad.
You cant give weapons to anyoneI really hope that this will be fixed soon then. Being unable to trade in an RPG is a big problem.
if you buy weps, you will lose them somehow in 1-2 days if you're active enough due to bugsYeah, we had that bug back in 2010 too. They fixed it in a few months but it always came back in different ways. I guess it's back again.
The business system is blocked and doesn't work as of now.I suppose the system is unfinished. That's bad, but then again people shouldn't have been diving into businesses so fast.
People took loans with the hope that their bizzes will earn them a major part to pay back. So now they are dissatisfied
People bought cars and >90% of the vehicles are buggedOkay, I get it. Lots of bugs. It's bad but this has to be waited out.
If you lose connection to server suddenly, there is major chance of losing your assets like drugs and wepsYup, as I said earlier it's the same bug from 2010. We've got no choice but to wait until it's fixed.
You get killed by bug/someone=-- you lose seeds+drugs
the drug rates are very low like 28-35p/g =this seriously discourages drug systemNow this, this is very good. Back in 2010 and 2011 drug rates were 20-21 p/g and that kept the economy stable. When drugs started to increase in price, so did the players' greed and shit just went offtrack. As of now, thanks to the reset we don't have players sitting on millions and millions of money. There's not a lot of money in the server and so the drugs are cheap compared to 2013 in RS4. I sincerely hope that the drugs will stay this way, this is something I've been waiting for.
And to find a drug spot you need to work in finding a spot which change randomly in regular intervals of time.There's more work involved. That's just good, isn't it? Gives players more things to do. If all one cares about is profit, then go do the fire missions then. The game isn't all about making money. Those that understand it will have a great time, those that don't will not. Simple as that.
So basically a player's thinking for drug system is like,"I could make much better bucks by doing a firemission like 1k-3k instead of finding a spot and then growing for like 10weed and then getting a net profit of 300$""
So basically you are pretty wrong. Might not want to advance forward.
So basically a player's thinking for drug system is like,"I could make much better bucks by doing a firemission like 1k-3k instead of finding a spot and then growing for like 10weed and then getting a net profit of 300$""
And during RS3 when the server was going through its peak of happiness and player satisfaction there was MAX like 60 people everyday..... this is before official SA:MP lists and "advanced" RS4 scripts......
The amount of players does not always equal success.
In RS3, we had a maximum of 50-70 players every day, but the overall quality of the community back then was much higher.
This gives you another question to ponder on: removing scripts from the picture, what was it back then that is lacking now, and how can we bring it back?
and I'm totally high right now.
RS5 is the new thing. RS4 is long gone.
Time to make a change, RS5 is the new Argonath.
Then change to the better, not to the worse...
I remember when we were still on rs4, and they announced rs5, everyone was excited about it, in fact we were so impatient that we were spamming the page which had the dev. progress. BUT WHEN RELEASED, IT WAS A DISAPOINTMENT. I'm not saying rs4 was good, it was normal, but imo i think that they could of done WAY better.
there is "few" bugs that need be to fixed.Please don't misguide by telling "Few". "Few" isn't justified
Have a look here :-http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?board=295.0They ain't that important.
Please don't misguide by telling "Few". "Few" isn't justifiedCould be more than justified... Let's have a look at the RS5 Bug Reports topic:
Have a look here :-http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?board=295.0
and find out practically.
The only bad side of it: there is few bugs that need be to fixed.Few hundreds you wanted to say I guess.
Few hundreds you wanted to say I guess.No WRONG!
I think it's prefect the way it is.
But even if RS5 is, at this very moment, worse than RS4, it doesn't mean that RS5 is bad. RS4 had exhausted it's potential while RS5 is brimming with it. One has to destroy to rebuild. With RS5 we took one step backwards, but because of that one step backwards we can now take a hundred steps forward. It's just a matter of time before RS5 will be superior to RS4 and beyond, so all we have to do is patiently wait and embrace the development.
i seriously dont give a f**k anymore, and neither should you!That's a little sad to hear.
Looks like RS5 is getting like RS4:
HostName: Argonath RPG
Address: 95.141.37.186:7777
Players: 85 / 100
Ping: 50
Mode: Rock Stars RPG 5.0
Map: San Andreas
Looks like RS5 is getting like RS4:All because of Devin's great response to groups and Jovanca Luciano AKA The Player Magnet who joined us 2 days ago ;)
HostName: Argonath RPG
Address: 95.141.37.186:7777
Players: 85 / 100
Ping: 50
Mode: Rock Stars RPG 5.0
Map: San Andreas
This is high for a Monday. Not to mention the playercount reached the 85-player range last Saturday.That is from the weekend I just posted it today because I frogot :P
Basic psychology, once again. People will eventually adapt to change, while those who don't will be eliminated by (self-imposed) natural selection.
Mafias need their HQ back as National Heritage and for the start they need some cars which they can use in family color and which will spawn in front of HQ. That will raise the ammount of players in-game.
I dont see a problem to set few properties and 20 cars.
Criminal groups dont have any interest to play as being a criminal on RS5 is a big waste of time and money, it's not even fun.
So im telling you, give them a reason to play. It's a small job for you and it's a big for the server, if it's not too late already.
This is high for a Monday. Not to mention the playercount reached the 85-player range last Saturday.
We're lucky that we have great people who are here to help and provide great suggestions, like great HQ(Devin) who knows to recognize reasonable suggestion and make them happen.
There are few more things which are necessary for the beginning of the RS5s magic. Hopefully that will be fixed soon.
It is, the average playercount is on the rise. Let's see what our future holds!
You realise that you're suggesting that mafias should have advantage over players? What the f___ is this? You never had scripted cars in RS4, why should you have them in RS5. This just proves how whiny the current criminal groups are, having it hard to let go of what they have and being greedy enough not to allow other families to prosper. I never saw Gvardia or Corleone whining for some reason.
You realise that you're suggesting that mafias should have advantage over players? What the f___ is this? You never had scripted cars in RS4, why should you have them in RS5. This just proves how whiny the current criminal groups are, having it hard to let go of what they have and being greedy enough not to allow other families to prosper. I never saw Gvardia or Corleone whining for some reason.The things you are saying are not true and please dont spread false information.
You realise that you're suggesting that mafias should have advantage over players? What the f___ is this? You never had scripted cars in RS4, why should you have them in RS5. This just proves how whiny the current criminal groups are, having it hard to let go of what they have and being greedy enough not to allow other families to prosper. I never saw Gvardia or Corleone whining for some reason.
I'm running a streetgang and I've gotten 4 cars, why? Because I'm active, roleplaying and contributing to the server.
You realise that you're suggesting that mafias should have advantage over players? What the f___ is this? You never had scripted cars in RS4, why should you have them in RS5.Cops could not issue guns to their officers in RS2, why should they be able to now? It is an advantage over players.
People seems to be liking RS5 now and it's noticeable as many of the complains has ceased.True, haven't seen any complaint besides the bugs.
Maybe it's time to close this topic?
True, haven't seen any complaint besides the bugs.That's because there's nothing to complain about. The script is fantastic (except the bugs) - all we need is players right now.
That's because there's nothing to complain about. The script is fantastic (except the bugs) - all we need is players right now.
Players playing now?I can't open sa:mp so I ask you guys :)Yes.
Yes.How many ? That was the real question but thanks for agreeing me
How many ? That was the real question but thanks for agreeing me24
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