Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Huntsman on February 19, 2014, 09:03:19 pm
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Lithuania is mourning the deaths of the Ukrainians that have died in the latest BERKUT sturm of the Maidian. Lithuanians have declared tommorow as a mourning day for all the victims of the latest sturm. Most of Lithuania watch the events in Ukraine with fear and concern, because we had to re-live exactly the same, so we understand them. These events remind Lithuania of January 13th, 1991, when us, ourselves have declared independance from Soviet Union and we wanted to vouch for a western life quality, western life style and we wanted to part away from the murdering, poor and unconditionally collapsing communist regime. Soviets pretty much used the same methods that Ukrainian government now uses against ITS OWN PEOPLE - there were bullets flying at unarmed men and women, 14 people killed, over 150 injured, tanks were running people over and shooting empty rounds, which made a lot of people deaf due to the sound. But Ukrainians were amongst these people who supported us and we won - we got our freedom, and we believe that Ukrainians will as well! So it's our time to show support. Ukraine - LITHUANIA IS WITH YOU! Stay strong! Ukraine has historical and cultural ties with Lithuania - we were once part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, a great federation of all kinds of cultures. Our friendship with Belarussians and Ukrainians proven the world that Slavs and Balts can come along, and so should the other nations that are forced to live together ("cough" Balkans "Cough") Even though history seems to have moved Ukraine and Belarus closer to Russian than Lithuania, we still hold a special place in each others hearts. Ukrainians were there in 1991, January 13th, showing us support, so now it's our turn.
I urge everyone to show support for Ukraine. What is going on there is inhuman. No government shall ever use violence against its own citizens, treating them like pests. I hope every single rat sitting in that government building will burn and go down together with it.
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The poster in the cover of the page in Russian says "Lithuanians, Ukraine is with you". It reffers to 1991-01-13 when Lithuanians were in a simular situation, fighting against USSR, and Ukraine shown support. So we must show support as well.
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Im from Lithuania as well. Hes right. Well , too bad it rises to a civil war, which probably will. As I am following the incidents, all i want to ask, not to use power and weapons (today a woman was killed, after being shoot by a machine gun, as a clip of rounds were shot after opening fire, from the building ,by government forces). I hope , this madness will end. :janek:
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I'm sure Lithuania is happy to embrace the western Ukrainians, as they take their steps to become slaves of EU just like Lithuania did.
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I'm sure Lithuania is happy to embrace the western Ukrainians, as they take their steps to become slaves of EU just like Lithuania did.
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I'm sure Lithuania is happy to embrace the western Ukrainians, as they take their steps to become slaves of EU just like Lithuania did.
As if occupation by Putin is better in any way.
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At least its more natural.
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Sweden went out with a message to the people that we have a responsibility to act if Russia tries to harass or do anything with the baltic countries. Since Lithuania is a baltic countries, you have our support.
The Swedish prime minister and the General of the Army have been taken action to arm Gotland with further supplies. Since Gotland is the island in the middle of the Baltic sea, it's strategic important for a war and have been so since 17th. The Armed Force of Sweden have changed location of the main Air Force to Gotland due to Russian activity.
Read more here;
http://www.thelocal.se/20140304/sweden-sends-gripen-jets-to-gotland (http://www.thelocal.se/20140304/sweden-sends-gripen-jets-to-gotland)
(http://www.thelocal.se/userdata/images/article/w468/1289f1080d6187b38b5cdffbd6ae58fd124fab86190209b462fa5aa4a0b7e07d.jpg)
The New landed JAS Gripen on Gotland, ready to attack if further activity goes on at Baltic seas.
(http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/18481074/698/normal/8bb74acc5568e/GOTLAND05.JPG)
I borrowed the topic abit.. thanks
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Sweden will attack Russia? Don't be silly.
Anyway...
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
"Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape". o/
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We have been in war 13 times. No, we will not attack them unless they act proper. We will attack them if they head on our territory in the Baltic sea.
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We have been in war 13 times. No, we will not attack them unless they act proper. We will attack them if they head on our territory in the Baltic sea.
Sweden wouldn't last 1 hour before being wiped off the map.
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I'm sure Lithuania is happy to embrace the western Ukrainians, as they take their steps to become slaves of EU just like Lithuania did.
I'm sorry, I'd rather become a slave of the EU, enjoy a decent economy, actual freedom, right to a free speech, than live in Putins playground that you guys call "Free" Russia, where every protest gets silenced, where anyone who speaks against Putin mysteriously dissappears, journalists get imprisoned and so do environment protection promoters. Stop being ridicullous, you guys call us the slaves of EU, but our freedom didnt go anywhere. We could pretty much violate EU laws and nothing would happen to us - look at Hungary, they changed their constitution into one that conflicts with EU policies, and guess what? Apart from few pretty rants, nothing at all has happened. EU is the reason why Lithuania now has one of the best roads in whole Europe (just for comparison - in Lithuania you always drive on asphalt, even in the smallest villages, but as soon as you cross the border to Latvia, shitty roads begin :D), they invested into our science, which resulted in us now having the fastest internet speed in Europe and the best laser industry in the whole world. Any oppresions or human right violations get noticed by EU immediatly and then sanctions are applied on these who have done it, I can go in public and publicly criticize our Seimas or the EU and nothing will ever happen to me, I can go protest and no-one will arrest me as long as I dont riot. Every tax I pay goes to our government, EU doesnt tax me with anything, in fact, they invest in Lithuanian bussinesses and various of other projects, helping its economy. SO yeah, if that's what you call being a slave, i'm pretty happy being a slave then, I guess. Enjoy your Russian freedom, we dont need it.
Sweden wouldn't last 1 hour before being wiped off the map.
You think too highly of Russians. Georgia was a lot weaker than Sweden, yet they managed to hold off quite well. Remember that in case Sweden would attack Russia, most of other EU countries, especially the Baltics, would support them, Russia wouldnt stand a chance.
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I'm sorry, I'd rather become a slave of the EU, enjoy a decent economy
I'm just gonna name 3 cases where the EU actually f**ked up a country's economy.
The Netherlands: Enjoyed a magnificent economy in the time of the "guldens" instead of euros. The Netherlands was known as a very wealthy country. Now in the EU, poverty and insane taxes are in the Netherlands.
Slovenia, has built up an extreme debt since joining the EU.
Croatia, lost the income of the tourism sector to foreign company owners, built up a huge debt.
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I'm just gonna name 3 cases where the EU actually f**ked up a country's economy.
The Netherlands: Enjoyed a magnificent economy in the time of the "guldens" instead of euros. The Netherlands was known as a very wealthy country. Now in the EU, poverty and insane taxes are in the Netherlands.
Slovenia, has built up an extreme debt since joining the EU.
Croatia, lost the income of the tourism sector to foreign company owners, built up a huge debt.
And how can you prove it has anything to do with EU? These debts were there way before they joined EU. Still, life is better in any of your named countries than in Russia.
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And how can you prove it has anything to do with EU? These debts were there way before they joined EU. Still, life is better in any of your named countries than in Russia.
How do you know? I live in the Netherlands and am sure of what I'm saying. Adults, teachers etc I know pay almost half of their income on taxes. There's taxes on everything for ridiculous things, like owning a dog. And the taxes that are also in other countries, for example tax for owning a car, is many times higher in the Netherlands than in other countries.
Also the price of products, services and property (rent) keeps going up while the income stays the same.
The majority of the people I know wish Holland never joined the EU.
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The majority of the people I know wish Holland never joined the EU.
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EU is good for trade agreements. If you blame EU for that, you should rather blame your current government that they do not do enough. Sweden pays more than average in the EU commission, still we have huge success economically in the trade.
EU didn't f**k anything up, but rather your government thinking it's a free ship to gain money on, still they should rethink and do something first.
Sweden wouldn't last 1 hour before being wiped off the map.
Wrong. Friendship to other nations holds tighter. We are member of something called Nordic Battlegroup with means all Scandinavian countries get in war.
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Wrong. Friendship to other nations holds tighter. We are member of something called Nordic Battlegroup with means all Scandinavian countries get in war.
Yes they would present a real threat to Russia.
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You think too highly of Russians. Georgia was a lot weaker than Sweden, yet they managed to hold off quite well. Remember that in case Sweden would attack Russia, most of other EU countries, especially the Baltics, would support them, Russia wouldnt stand a chance.
USA lost war against Vietnam. USA failed with invasion on Cuba.
Does that means Vietnam and Cuba are military stronger then USA. Ofc not.
Baltics? Who? Lithuania? Latvia? Estonia? I really respect those countries but no offense, Baltic + Scandinavia still wouldn't have the chance if Russia would attack with whole strength.
Wrong. Friendship to other nations holds tighter. We are member of something called Nordic Battlegroup with means all Scandinavian countries get in war.
Only Russian fleet is way more stronger then those 3-4 countries together, don't mention rest of military and weaponry.
We have been in war 13 times. No, we will not attack them unless they act proper. We will attack them if they head on our territory in the Baltic sea.
What 13 wars? Don't mention those support missions with 1000 soldiers where you tried to keep peace or whatever...
I find Sweden as remarkable country but I don't have high opinion on your army. Russia is just way ahead of Scandinavia / Baltic alliance in that matter.
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USA lost war against Vietnam. USA failed with invasion on Cuba.
Does that means Vietnam and Cuba are military stronger then USA. Ofc not.
Baltics? Who? Lithuania? Latvia? Estonia? I really respect those countries but no offense, Baltic + Scandinavia still wouldn't have the chance if Russia would attack with whole strength.
Only Russian fleet is way more stronger then those 3-4 countries together, don't mention rest of military and weaponry.
What 13 wars? Don't mention those support missions with 1000 soldiers where you tried to keep peace or whatever...
I find Sweden as remarkable country but I don't have high opinion on your army. Russia is just way ahead of Scandinavia / Baltic alliance in that matter.
Oh dear.. USA is here now, Incoming shit storm. Well, About the whole Swedish thing, you can't really blame a country for wanting to not have enemies. Especially in modern days, where practically every country has its own accomplishments and such.
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Ca any of you guys talking seriously about how you gonna fight big bad Russia, please tell me when did Russia attack any other country last 25 years?
Russia was rarely an invader in modern history, each time they acted after they were directly under an attack (Napoleon, Hitler, right now NATO in Ukraine).
So you can stop tripping about how you gonna help your baltic friends from Russia, cause that's pure imagination in both ways(one way of Russia doesnt give 2 percent fuck about it, and other way even if they did, you would be done within 1 day.)
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Yes they would present a real threat to Russia.
We don't threat, we don't play offensive and will never do unless we reform the Army what it once was. Yes, if Russia tries to move aboard example Finland or any other Baltic countries, you will see Gotland as a deatmachine, since we have given permission for NATO to use that as a airbase.
Only Russian fleet is way more stronger then those 3-4 countries together, don't mention rest of military and weaponry.
Russia lacks quality, we have more advance weapons that Russia have. The thing that Russia have a large quanitity is not always the best solution. They may bomb us with soldiers, but they will never ever be able to anything with Sweden without being doomed themselves.
Same applies with any other Batlic countries, they got all the support in the world from different countries, some is even part of NATO, for example Norway. It's not always just about the numbers, it's about political, diplomatic and economically solutions that puts down. Let's assume that Germany, who is Russia's biggest partner when it comes to importing oil stops exporting. We have influence from many countries around Europe and other countries outside of it.
We will not fight alone, we don't attend to fight, nor are we attend to fight between Russia and Sweden, but instead allies up with current countries.
Remember that Nordic Battlegroup is one force that handle the region at the Baltic seas, it's a cooperation between Sweden, Irland, Estland, Norway, Finland, Denmark and are funded by the European Union. They have as mission from the EU to handle the security at the Baltic region and head of it.
Our defense are based on a Russia invasion, always been and always has. What if I told you that Sweden already wiretapping mostly all internet traffic that goes from Russia to Europe? The new law in 2010 made the F.R.A able to wiretrap internet traffic in Sweden and why did such law get in action? Because of the fact that Russia got a huge damn cable in the bottom of the Baltic sea, we are wiretapping that one in purpose to get access of secret documents/facts about Russia.
Putin lives in WW2 and have tactics about annexing from early 18th's, he already got a weakened United Russia, Soviet was much stronger than Russia is today. Putin wants to show his people that he can bring that glory that Soviet had.
What 13 wars? Don't mention those support missions with 1000 soldiers where you tried to keep peace or whatever...
I find Sweden as remarkable country but I don't have high opinion on your army. Russia is just way ahead of Scandinavia / Baltic alliance in that matter.
No, those are not support missions. Back in 1981 we was near to start war again with the Russian when they hit a nuclear submarine at the coast of Sweden. The submarine got capture and it crew for two week until the Swedish Armed Force to give permission to release it again. On the radars we saw a fleet coming toward the submarine that currently where captured and we took it very seriously, we send out our whole fleet to attack the targets. The whole thing ended up that the radar had wrong and it was only transport ships from Germany. :D
After the event with Russia trying to spy on the Sweden, we put down explosive charges and blowing things up down the sea.
Didn't find a english subtitled video of this event, but there is a few that was made. (Submarine U137, reportage from the Swedish State TV)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJa0YNBYP1g
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rip in peace
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tax for owning a car, is many times higher in the Netherlands than in other countries.
You got that tax for your stupidity, not because of EU. No EU law ever clarifies a need for such tax.
FUN FACT: Just few days ago Lithuanian Seimas (Parliament) wanted to tax car ownership, but they didn't. Why? Because people openly expressed their dissatisfaction with this law. That's nothing but pure carelessnes of the Netherland citizens, not the EU.
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You got that tax for your stupidity, not because of EU. No EU law ever clarifies a need for such tax.
The EU doesn't say that EU countries need to have car tax, but the government needed to put such an extremely high tax to not let the bad economy go under completely.
FUN FACT: Just few days ago Lithuanian Seimas (Parliament) wanted to tax car ownership, but they didn't. Why? Because people openly expressed their dissatisfaction with this law. That's nothing but pure carelessnes of the Netherland citizens, not the EU.
I'm not denying this. Dutch citizens are absolute pussies and stretch their ass for the government to nail them each time.
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Please do not get carried away, Swedish military super-force,I'm sure you got a modern army but you simply can't compare yourself with the Russians and It's pointless to argue with that.You had a couple of wars with them in the past and it didn't end up good for you.
Problem with a lot of you is that you can not communicate normally, and look at the whole thing objectively, I don't know what is it with you is it a inferiority complex or what.
And this other guy that's see's EU like his salvation.....man, don't be sheep, try looking the whole picture, the only good thing probably is that you might not need to have to take out a visa for a trip to other country's every damn time you want to go, the end.
It's all said here:
I find Sweden as remarkable country but I don't have high opinion on your army. Russia is just way ahead of Scandinavia / Baltic alliance in that matter.
And listen to the big man :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfLOwmSD88
I dedicate this video to my friend Alen who made me read all this and comment on it.
pozz Budimir
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Ca any of you guys talking seriously about how you gonna fight big bad Russia, please tell me when did Russia attack any other country last 25 years?
The situation in Latvia and Lithuania got pretty violent, at least we were saved from a major bloodshed here.
Russia was rarely an invader in modern history, each time they acted after they were directly under an attack (Napoleon, Hitler, right now NATO in Ukraine).
Yet they unlawfully annexed the Baltic States and invaded Finland because they were paranoid.
So you can stop tripping about how you gonna help your baltic friends from Russia, cause that's pure imagination in both ways(one way of Russia doesnt give 2 percent f**k about it, and other way even if they did, you would be done within 1 day.)
We have something you guys didn't - allies. We have not committed any crimes or genocides and as such, people would actually come to help us.
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Russia has increased by 26,100 km ² and got another 2 million people. (http://www.srpskatribina.net/forum/images/smilies/food-smiley-004.gif)
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USA lost war against Vietnam. USA failed with invasion on Cuba.
Does that means Vietnam and Cuba are military stronger then USA. Ofc not.
Man, a lot countries helped for Vietnam and NATO.
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Ca any of you guys talking seriously about how you gonna fight big bad Russia, please tell me when did Russia attack any other country last 25 years?
Georgia - 2008.
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EU is good for trade agreements. If you blame EU for that, you should rather blame your current government that they do not do enough. Sweden pays more than average in the EU commission, still we have huge success economically in the trade.
Good for trade agreements within the EU, but not outside of it
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Georgia - 2008.
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Georgia - 2008.
You mean South Osetia, that was under attack by a mad adventures guy such as Sakashvili who really thought he can go against Russia. He had it coming. Georgia is not invaded by Russia.
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You mean South Osetia, that was under attack by a mad adventures guy such as Sakashvili who really thought he can go against Russia. He had it coming. Georgia is not invaded by Russia.
I mean South Ossetia is the same for Georgia as Kosovo is for Serbia as far as territory is concerned.