Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP General => Topic started by: Vanroden on March 08, 2014, 06:47:45 pm
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I post here today to Challenge the staff. Some of you might recognize my name from the IV:MP server. And im sure a ton of you dont respect me, But you cant blame me for a hive mind. Anyway let me to to the point. Im Challenging the Staff, And in particularly an Admin Named Deejay, For one he seems to have no thought process when it comes to dealing with people, And in general he is just stucks with one line sentences related "Your a bad person, you disrepeccted blah blah and your a ban evader" When most of the time it is him being Disrepectfull. I can tell as a human being he has not even one once of respect people, And certainly DOES NOT know how to be a proper staff member.
I just want to add, I do not care what bit what happens with Deejay, I just feel he should not be allowed to act the way he does, Also i reccomendChecking his Chat logs if they exist, And if they dont, Find a way to create chat logs and dont tell him.
Exampe 1 ( Before i talked to del) I saw a guy who had been harrasing people right infront of the Main GS, So i figured eh i wonder if i can hit him, Before i even got a chance to go past him, Dee froze me and started accusing me of all sorts of things, For one Ban evasion, which he seeems to try to pin on everyone. NOT EVERYONE WHO BREAKS RULES IS A BAN EVADER-THERES ALOT OF PEOPLE INT HE WORLD DEEJAY. During this Long list of accusation he continued to be Highly disrepectfull, Untill he banned me for 15min for being disrespectfull, And i can say i wasnt being disrespectfull, Because Deejay, And honestly Alot of other people here dont seem to understand the differece betweem Blatant Disrespect and Sharing of opinion. Also how bout the fact that whats disrespect is Based on opinion?!?!?!
EXAMPLE 2: I had just joined the server after crashing, And what do i see first? Deejay Harrassing a person until breaking point. Persons name was "Thebanner" i believe. Pretty much he was doing the same thing he did to me with thebanner, He even accused him of being a ban evader. (Just want to mention that eventualty due to Deejay being allowed the powered he has eventually led thebanner to retaliating with threats as many people would do, I want to add, During this he said "Time for fun" then changed to admin mode, SO i replied "Really deejay? Dont you mean "Time for work"" he then said "Now im really gunna have fun and continued to freeze me and tp me to him and banner, I just want to add, I in no way did anything wrong, unless sharing my opinion is wrong. well.. it was there, Where he said something that really opened my eyes to how he acts
DEEJAY SAID THESE EXACT WORDS : " So you like acting macho on the internet huh?"
It was then i realized he just described exactly what he was doing. Acting macho. Anyway. He continued to talk in a disrepectfull way to both me and banner, Eventualy he kicked me, And i want to add, During this time i in no way disrespected or threatened him, I simple defended my Innocence. I did how ever tell him i would take screenshots of this tp show del, which he took as a threat. Which says something. Why would you feel threatened if you wherent doing anything wrong?
When i logged back in he continuied to hold me frozen for no valid reason, Where he then tempbanned me for 45 min for simple trying to defend my innocence.
ALSO EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS RIGHT HERE
The whole No Disrespect rule is too widely put. and first of all, The staff on this server seem to be either 1. Really vulnerable/unstable, or 2. Just to ignorant to realize the different between blatent disrepect and opinion.
AT NO TIME SHOULD PLAYERS BE AFRAID TO EXPRESS THEYRE FEELINGS ON CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE GAME/STAFF-TEAM- As having such an environment allows things such as DeeJay being allowed into the staff
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Also i took a few screenies but the first few good ones ended up black becaue i was in Fullscreen mode, But i do have 1 or 2, Im simply relying on the hope you have all chat logged, Im also relying on Del to make more condiseratons -http://imgur.com/a/olgn1- I will continue trying to get screenshots.
One of the main problems connected with all of this is that Outsiders/newpeople get treated much worse, Even without commiting rulebreaks.
Well this is all i could think of after being up for more then 12hrs
I would also like to add, since i talked to dell for quite a long time, I had not bothered yet alone hurt another player
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Some things you said there shouldn't be put there.
I feel somehow, that whole topic is very personal. I don't know why you decided to post it so everyone could see it.
What I'm saying is, there's kinda, a lot private matter in it.
Anyways, whole this situation, problem, could be solved with a cold-headed talk.
Good luck.
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I dont have anything with you , but you should talk about these things via /pm IG and too here in forum.
Maybe what are you telling is right , maybe not , but you shouldnt blame someone in public like this , too if the person abused you , problems with adminstration needs private conversation :)
This is a suggestion , with this post you wont get what you want...send a private message to who has to handle this matter and it will be good. We dont need such posts here ^^
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I posted it here for a reason. So everyone can see. People deserve to know whats going on, on the server they play on, Esspecaily when it comes to a possble corrupted staff.
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I posted it here for a reason. So everyone can see. People deserve to know whats going on, on the server they play on, Esspecaily when it comes to a possble corrupted staff.
Greetings Vanroden,
First of all, I understand what you feel but by posting here, but this type of topics are not welcomed here. For complaints , you should use [email protected] instead.
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Vanroden why do you claim to be innocent of things you have done? It shows how immature you are that you need to get your response over the forums. Want to report me? then use [email protected] Don't make sob stories over the forum
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I posted it here for a reason. So everyone can see. People deserve to know whats going on, on the server they play on, Esspecaily when it comes to a possble corrupted staff.
I repeat,
You could be in right , but you can not do what you did. If you have problems with administration talk in private.
If people deserve to know it , doesnt concern to you...
If you were on the other side , for sure you wouldnt like that a player would blame you on public and without talking with you before...
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Oh deejay. First of all i didnt post this here for you. And seccond of all, I never said i was innocent of everything. Just everything YOU accused me of. Get it right. And sob stories? Alright might , You go on trying to make yourself look better, Doesnt change how you act ingame. And yet again, Deejay i posted this here so people can see it for themselves, Also mark, If someone wanted to blame me in public they have every right to, Not to mention you say that like Deejay is a decent person.
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I mean. Just look at how many views this has gotten already. Thats my goal. The way things are going currently. it feels like a dictatorship Concentraded on controlling public information.
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I see a problem here .
We have talked to you in game earlier today (White_Granny) and I thought you were moaning too much , but gotta get a bigger perspective , rather than just saying that ..
If I were in your situation , I think I'd point out the problem aswell , so I don't find your trying to express yourself bad , However there are many ways to do that , before posting it directly to public, you could talk to IV:MP Managers and tell your complaints and reasons . After then if you still think they don't pay enough attention , you can talk to Gandalf or Aragorn etc. And aswell public post .
Everyone in Argonath is equal , Admins just have some duties and powers which come with some responsibilities .
And don't forget that people can have their bad times Also everyone does mistakes ;) Me , you , them , admins , managers .. What matters is not repeating those mistakes :depature:
GFBMMC
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Deejay, u talking about immature , but you yourself behave like immature, (its not insulting its expression of opinion).
its long time when try ignore you bcs, anytime when i react on your behave i got problems bcs you are in admin position and i think u shouldnt be.
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I mean. Just look at how many views this has gotten already. Thats my goal. The way things are going currently. it feels like a dictatorship Concentraded on controlling public information.
ahhhhhhhhh i understood!!
Btw , im not taking defense of anyone ^^ just telling you that there are other struments for report such things
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Don't know if what you say here is true but if it is +1 to you for standing up to it. I can relate to some of your views (not on this particular admin). But adding to that, don't forget to also send a mail to the IVMP staff at [email protected] with your screenshots names and story. Although I really do hope you're just a mad guy raging :P.
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YOU SEE ^^^ THAT. THAT RIGHT THERE is why i posted this here, ITS THE COMMUNITYS OPINION AS A WHOLE THAT IS IMPORTANT. People should be able to share theyre opinion on all things that affect THEY'RE experience. And staff certainly Affects them. And i Talked to managment. I talked to del for a few hours. He made me do this huge parkour thing just to tell be a bunch of things i already know, But im sad to say it, Theres a thin sheet over dels head. He thinks he sees all but its stuff like this that proofs otherwise. Please people. Continue to share your opiniion, Where its against me or anyone else. Its YOUR opinion that is important.
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I mean. Just look at how many views this has gotten already. Thats my goal. The way things are going currently. it feels like a dictatorship Concentraded on controlling public information.
I don't think those views are really views (I mean 111 guys stayed only to read your complaints). Anyway DeeJay is always fair.... If you are hunting for "popularity" you won't get it this way dude. :)
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Well, all replies here are Community opinions. Correct me if I'm wrong..
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From experience from the last day i can tell you he is not fair. But wait, You probably never even got a chance to experience his "Reign". Just to clarify. IN NO WAY is this post to get popular or anything else. Its to get justice and hopefully be the fuel to a better future, I dont know if you know but i first joined today, I have No ties to this server, And have Not a reason to care other then my passion when it comes to running servers and helping others. Infact the only reason i downloaded GTA4 was because i wanna play gta5 so badly. the ONLY thing i hope to gain is a quick glance from people so they realize how much of a prison the sevrer feels like. Ill be happy on the day when you can share your opinion in chat without being banned by deejay or any other staff member YET AGAIN REALIZING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPINION AND BLATANT DISRESPECT. Oh and just want to add this. What makes you think you deserve respect if you dont give it others? Huh deejay whats your answer to that?
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Well, all replies here are Community opinions. Correct me if I'm wrong..
Now go look at all the people who said take this private.
How can people give theyre opinions if they dont know about it.
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I don't think those views are really views (I mean 111 guys stayed only to read your complaints). Anyway DeeJay is always fair.... If you are hunting for "popularity" you won't get it this way dude. :)
I don't think this is a case of hunting for popularity, I think he just really values his freedom of speech. And I agree with him on that if that is the case, numerous times on SA:MP I've been told to stuff it for the sole reason that an admin did not agree with my personal views. And if you cant say what you want to say that can be pretty frustrating.
If you are in such a situation and you have your opinion and the admin has his it's like bringing a knife to a gunfight. You are forced to edit your own views and or censor yourself because the person with the gun (admin rights) can ban kick or do whatever he wants with you. That is why I think I understand this guy because I've been in the same position. And that can be as frustrating that it leads to a post as this one.
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Hi man,hi all.Am Masry a prevous IV:MP player,Playing SA:MP right now.But i lived in lc alot so ik all admins,behaviors.Deejay is using his powers to make u guys i don"t know the word to descripe,Deejay is abusing banns,kicks,tempbans.I really hate Deejay he is veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy unfriendly,He loves him self alot,he shouldnt be an admin.Ty :)
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I don't think those views are really views (I mean 111 guys stayed only to read your complaints). Anyway DeeJay is always fair.... If you are hunting for "popularity" you won't get it this way dude. :)
Hi man,hi all.Am Masry a prevous IV:MP player,Playing SA:MP right now.But i lived in lc alot so ik all admins,behaviors.Deejay is using his powers to make u guys i don"t know the word to descripe,Deejay is abusing banns,kicks,tempbans.I really hate Deejay he is veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy unfriendly,He loves him self alot,he shouldnt be an admin.Ty :)
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From experience from the last day i can tell you he is not fair. But wait, You probably never even got a chance to experience his "Reign". Just to clarify.
Wait, who are you referring to here?
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I don't think those views are really views (I mean 111 guys stayed only to read your complaints). Anyway DeeJay is always fair.... If you are hunting for "popularity" you won't get it this way dude. :)
There. Thats who i was refering to.
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Why is this topic still on anyway? This is not a thing to be discussed here... If there is one who picked DeeJay, its administration team, if there is one who ll remove his rights, it is administration team also, the thinkings and complaints must go to administration team in a private way, not this way...
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just think about it why all people on the server respect and dont telling this too about other admins ? (when some people tell this its means something is wrong from Deejay side)
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just think about it why all people on the server respect and dont telling this too about other admins ? (when some people tell this its means something is wrong from Deejay side)
Because if there is something, players (at least a major side who complains) will do their reports through private conversations or emails, also administration doesnt only have player resource to know what is going wrong.
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With these behaviors , you are proving how much you are immature.
These matters doesnt need a public thread! You can organize a chat talk with adminstration (if they want ?) and discuss about it but not here..
Use private resources and stop this...
I really wonder , how old are you guys for acts like this..wake up.
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Baseless criticism is what i will say. You just dont stop moaning dude, you were moaning the whole day in-game and now it has landed here in the forum. It as evident enough, everyone was irritated by your poor attitude. If you were a little nicer, maybe things could have been different. Not to mention your countless provokes..
Peace
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The word you people use "Moan" is so .. just wrong. Your right i was complaining, and your right i had an "Attitude" but thats just my opinion It belongs to be and can never be wrong unless contesting pure fact. And just so you know. The deejay stuff happened when i was mostly minding my own buisness. Also may i add i was complaining for the same reasons i opened this thread. The server is curently in a state of Dictator ship where information is tightly controlled. I will Continue posting here untill the thread is deleted. Everyone deserves to know whats going on, on the server if thyere gunna spend theyre time here, And again towards the whole thing about me complaining, I HAVE and HAD valid points, Its not my fault alot of the people of this server are of a hive mind, And dont think for themselves (Ifluenced thought) and yea when i was complaining i got more angry and complained more because not one person opted to help me, wether it be staff or other players feeling the same way.
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Because if there is something, players (at least a major side who complains) will do their reports through private conversations or emails, also administration doesnt only have player resource to know what is going wrong.
Well guess what. you see people giving theyre opinion here? Thats a good thing For all the people who suffer at the hands of corruption. They see this, And it makes them want to contribute. Yet again. I dont see why your so Fixed on making information on these problems less known when infact it needs to be the oposite.
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Baseless criticism is what i will say. You just dont stop moaning dude, you were moaning the whole day in-game and now it has landed here in the forum. It as evident enough, everyone was irritated by your poor attitude. If you were a little nicer, maybe things could have been different. Not to mention your countless provokes..
Peace
the man gets some screenshots http://imgur.com/a/olgn1 (http://imgur.com/a/olgn1)
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Well guess what. you see people giving theyre opinion here? Thats a good thing For all the people who suffer at the hands of corruption. They see this, And it makes them want to contribute. Yet again. I dont see why your so Fixed on making information on these problems less known when infact it needs to be the oposite.
No one will give real opinions, well only unexperienced people who doesnt know that it is not allowed will comment, in here; you dont need it either... Just end it and use a Private Way or you ll end up being punished, its your option to listen me or not to. You re the responsible one for your future.
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Am I the only one around here that knows that this is a video game and there's no need to act like a virtual Guy Fawkes? Jesus, get a grip, go play something else or somewhere else.
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the man gets some screenshots http://imgur.com/a/olgn1 (http://imgur.com/a/olgn1)
Finally deejay is caught!
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the man gets some screenshots http://imgur.com/a/olgn1 (http://imgur.com/a/olgn1)
And i would have gotten ALOT more if i didnt crash when he froze me. And if Screenshots worked in fullscreen.
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Am I the only one around here that knows that this is a video game and there's no need to act like a virtual Guy Fawkes? Jesus, get a grip, go play something else or somewhere else.
I agree with you.
I don't know why is this for? calm down it's a just a video game.
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Finally deejay is caught!
Just lol..
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So , Deejay treated you that way just like that ? Without any reason ?
Buddy, you was like a moaning machine ingame, moaning about everything. What did you expect ? Give you a cookie ?
Let's go back to the time you kept rulebreaking, i told you to do a simple thing , just to fly higher , flying so low may causes crashes which you might dont know , at the first, you took off , but two minutes later you just went back to fly so low. Even a community leader said that you were provoking players ingame. Let me tell you something, we were not given those admin rights to abuse players, we got them for a purpose. If we mis-use our rights, we would get kicked out from the admin team, players are being watched by the staff, and the admins are being watched by higher ranks.
Cut the crap here buddy, since the first minute you logged in the server, you started shitting on our server, calling police officers noobs.
We do not accept players who shits on our community, and then they go cry " Admins are so abusive " . This should end here.
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I don't know your story, but I see fantic and masry commenting something... I just don't believe that you two have the honor to say something about abusing... :app: :janek:
As I see, only players that have been caught for rule breaking have complains on DeeJay work. How come I have never seen a regular player, that respects server, rules and other players, creating topic like this or saying in game anything about this matter ?
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We do not accept players who shits on our community, and then they go cry
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Look. dont think i havent seen error in my ways, but that doesnt make my point Invalid. This kind of stuff needs to be public in order to be fixed no mater who or what the problem is. and i realize its a game, but its quite annoying when other people ruin it for you, Even more so when the other person has ALOT of power over you. All i ask is that you take my points into consideration before just dismissing it. To be more exact. Keeping information private isnt always bad. But when it affects the players directly. Everyone should be able to see what is going on, Of couse the conversations between staff would remain private. But people should be able to share theyre concerns in public so they can talk to others, Work certain things out. And lastly. People who are concerned/annoyed will eventualy complain about it some where. You shouldnt be so quick to brush them aside and label them as moaners and immature kids.
And haythem. You said go higher i went higher. I asumed i was blocking the road. You never gave me any other information. And just so you know i was trying to land on the street sign.
And to the police being noobs? i dont see how thats shiting on the server as much as other people. And no. It was not since the first minute. I was pretty quite the first hour. it was then then i had an encounter with such person. The server is not responsible for the quality of players that join. Would you say the same if i said theres lots of rulebreakers/rammers/and what not?
When deejay started with me i wasnt even talking in chat. It was quite a while after i talked to del and decided to just keep my mouth shut, It wasnt i saw the gross way deejay was acting that i talked, And Btw. The first time deejay banned me i said nothing in social and only deffended my innocence in /l untill he banned me. And yet again ill say it, 1.You guys need to learn to see the difference bewteen blatant disrespect and sharing opinion, if not you might as well say your not allowed to share your opinion(Pretty much saying screw you idc).
Also First of all. The only admin i mentioned was Deejay, And the only time i "CRIED" Abuse is while it was happening to me.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
Opinion Does not EQUAL fact.
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I don't know your story, but I see fantic and masry commenting something... I just don't believe that you two have the honor to say something about abusing... :app: :janek:
As I see, only players that have been caught for rule breaking have complains on DeeJay work. How come I have never seen a regular player, that respects server, rules and other players, creating topic like this or saying in game anything about this matter ?
please can you give me some screenshot where i said something about abusing from deejay side ? im really interested.
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please can you give me some screenshot where i said something about abusing from deejay side ? im really interested.
First page. It's not really used word abusing but "DeeJay is immature cause he doesn't let me do what I want."... Blah...
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First page. It's not really used word abusing but "DeeJay is immature cause he doesn't let me do what I want."... Blah...
"DeeJay is immature cause he doesn't let me do what I want."
thats what i exactly wrote? oh how interesting.
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So Vanroden i wonder why would a totaly new guy come here and start moaning about our nice server. You dont even know how it works. DeeJay isnt the kindest person i know but he is a fair and ne er done/said something with no sense. Last year we had someobe exactly like you, moaning about admins and crap... He got comunity banned. Your attitude isnt getting you far from there
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Hello
The Most Important thing is Respect , SO i think this Topic is going day by day far from This word .
Let me tell you my Opinion , Deejay is an admin and a player who has been a long time in this server .
Do you think that This man Is Free for you all the time ??
Deejay gets many and many reports at the same time , If he would Take a long time for Every body who moan here , then the server would be in a terrible mess , He has to respond to every report .
And let me ask you something , in this time that you took to Write all these comments with over than 500 words each , Did you Read the rules ??
Do you really think that People will Have Interest in Reading all these comments ?
Players of This server Knows who is Deejay , My first time at the server , i was stopped by deejay .I wanted to do a topic like this , But Tried to remember Every step i made in the game . I took sometime to see what was the wrong thing . I Read all the rules , Believe me , at that time i found my self Against the rules , SO . i decided to change my self , :neutral2:
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You have the right to Give your Opinion , But before Giving it , think a little bit of what you did . " I tried to change the streets , the cars around me, People , Friends , Home ... etc , But i still in a terrible mess , When i changed my self . I saw that every thing is fixed in my Life , Everything is in the right way . Changing My self is 100times better than saying to people that they are wrong " As A great man said , think In this little time
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As a former longtime admin and manager, I will post here as well as this sort of thing has been a recurring issue on SA:MP as well. To make it simple, I will enumerate the core points instead. These are true for any Argonath server.
1. Admins are chosen because they are mature and patient enough to handle the rights of keeping players on/off the server. As such, their judgment is trusted and their word is law when acting under correct admin procedure. But as more is given to them, more is also expected from them.
2. Admins are players too, and as such are not perfect nor robots. It is not rare to see a lone admin looking after dozens of players. If you will test their patience, be prepared for the consequences.
3. If admins abuse their powers, report them to [email protected] or to a Manager. It is the server HQ's duty to make sure the admins abide by Argonath standards.
4. If you report an admin for a valid reason, such as them having abused their powers, your complaint will be acted upon and the HQ will take action to make sure admin standards are upheld, whether it be scolding the admin or removing them.
5. If you report an admin just because you are mad at them or you cannot accept that you are in the wrong, then suck it up, grow a pair instead of moaning, and move on.
6. If you report the HQ because they did not act on your case, speak to a Community Leader and let the evidence do the talking. If a Manager abuses their powers, they face the same risk of being removed, even more so as they represent the Administration on the server as a whole.
7. If you have problems with all of them, then the real problem is with yourself.
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Vanroden, while I appreciate the time and effort you put into this thread, topics like this are not permitted in this part of the forums.
We will investigate the claims you have made here but for future reference any complaints made against a staff member should be done via forum PM to the IVMP Managers or email [email protected]
Thank you
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