Have these cops ever heard of something called a taser? Would have been the best option in that situation.Exactly. In the briefing given by the chief of police there, he said Beanbag shotguns AND tazers were deployed to the scene (Unknown as to why), and they decide to aim rifles at him... Then pop 2 in his back (Instead on one to the leg), then not understand why he can't move, after being shot in the spine...?
Have these cops ever heard of something called a taser? Would have been the best option in that situation.
Justified shoot. An officer without gun drawn(K9) was within the dead zone(21feet) and downhill of the knife wielding suspect with a lengthy criminal history, along with mental illnesses. He made a movement towards the officer, then retracted. Shots were fired AS he was walking away. Non-lethal force was used 3 times prior to lethal force. A flashbang, K9, and beanbag. None of these worked.
And what movie is that picture from? lol!
'Murica.No.
Never confront lethal force with non-lethal force?There will always be difference between British styled (Including Canada,Australia,Honk Kong and New Zealand) and the American styled ones. :neutral2:
So because these cops want to cop back to their families, it is justified for them to kill a man who likely has no connections to any of his family because he is homeless? They spent three hours with this guy, and they still killed him. Why not call more units? Shields? Different types of protection, rather than shoot him as he turns away.
Sure there are lots of ifs and buts with a situation like this, but there are always different ways it can be handled and I feel that shooting him dead, in this case really was not needed.
Of course other people will disagree, and some will agree with me, but that is the way of the world and certainly here in the UK people are very rarely killed by police, even when they have lethal force such as a knife.
Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XE-l4P_6zE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owodGANNpBY
Fuck I hate when people from foreign countries know my country's use of force policies better than I do! Wait, what? I forgot most people on the internet have policing training, right???
If you're not qualified to speak on a topic - don't.
Actually, if you have no idea how American police are supposed to handle things, you really shouldn't be trying to engage in debate.
@JDC, tranquilizers are not used in policing for a number of reasons. Tranquilizers work based on weight, therefore they would have to estimate the correct dosage to hit him with. Too little wouldn't do anything, too much would kill them. You need to go to a medical school for years and years to be knowledgeable on the correct dosage for each individual. This simply wouldn't make sense for officers to use.
Also, why other less than lethals were not used. You DO NOT under ANY circumstances(if you're even half way intelligent in American policing) use less than lethal force on someone using lethal force. Displaying knifes and being within the 21 feet "kill zone" is considered deadly force, for a very good reason. You would not use pepper spray for a plethora of reasons. Reason number one being, it's can be very ineffective. Pepper spray in a lot of cases just pisses the attack off. It makes them more angry. On top of that, in order to pepper spray someone, you need to be within 10 feet of them. As stated multiple times, you do not want to be within 21 feet of anyone with a knife. To top it all off, pepper spray is bad if you're against the wind. Not only will the suspect not be sprayed, only your officers will.
As for tasers, again you have to be within 10 feet. This simply isn't safe, as stated numerous times before. And if it's windy, your darts will likely not hit their target. Also, if you're wearing thick clothes or baggy clothes like the suspect was in the incident, the darts may not puncture you enough to be effective. And like any other less than lethal - tasers do not ALWAYS work.
The officers were dealing with this man for 3 hours at least, he took out two knifes and made a movement towards an officer in the "kill zone" hence why he was shot. This IS a justified shooing - whether your opinion differs or there were other options.
This is straight from APD's use of force policy.
"Officers are authorized to use deadly force, by any means, in order to:
1. Protect the officer or others from what is reasonably believed to be an
immediate threat of death or serious physical injury;
2. Prevent the escape of one reasonably believed to have committed a
felony, but only when:
Ø· There is probable cause to believe the suspect poses a
immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to
the officer or others."
A deranged, mentally ill man bearing two knifes within 21 feet of an unarmed officer(no gun out, only dog - dogs are considered less than lethal) is MOST DEFINITELY an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury - this is indisputable.
Agreed, although I didn't read what you wrote.LOL!
he should have /gu and asked for an investigation.