Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Manas on April 01, 2014, 08:52:57 am
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I have been doing heroin business since the past two days and i noticed few things which i would like to put forward.
The ordering rates of heroin-
Small=500$
Medium=1000$
Big=1500$
I will discuss two examples of heroin dealing-
The Small-
I ordered small heroin and got like 10g for 500$. During my sell to drug market
there is a huge LOSS
The Big-
I ordered big heroin and got 42g for 1500$. During my sell to drug market,
This is again a LOSS.
On the other hand, weed market is profitable in a medium range.
Effects of this,
This strongly discourages Heroin dealing between criminal families and the drug market.
It just remains as an RP factor, for which no actual heroin is required.
I guess the usage for heroin is very small like <1% of the total population
Suggestions,
Increase the weed market price
Increase the heroin market price
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So it's basically order & deliver to market? Sorry, it's pretty balanced. You buy heroin for higher, if you can't find a buyer, just resell it to the market.
The market is a place to resell, not to earn profit from.
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The market is a place to resell, not to earn profit from.
It's a place scripted for profits
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It's a place scripted for profits
No, it's a place that is to be used as a last resort to recoup some money if you are in need of quick cash. Some money back is better than no money back.
Sell your product to players instead of the market, it's like that to entice role-play between players and not just players selling everything to a market without player to player interaction.
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Sell your product to players instead of the market,
Considering it as a circle where each time the heroin sells at higher rate. Suppose that i have ultimately bought at 60 p/g through a big circle and no one buys higher than it. What should i do?Consume it? or sell to market at 33?
The system should be like,
a player makes weed - sells it to local family- local family to recognized family- official family- market at the rate higher such that official can make more profit. Market must only be accessible to official families and the rate must be like more the drugs, higher the price. Like if i sell 1 weed i get 33p/g. but if i sell 10 weeds at a time the price must be increased like 36 p/g
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Only leaders can get more pergram?
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Considering it as a circle where each time the heroin sells at higher rate. Suppose that i have ultimately bought at 60 p/g through a big circle and no one buys higher than it. What should i do?Consume it? or sell to market at 33?
Your problem, if you bought a huge stock of a product and can't find anyone to buy it for higher, just sell it for lower to recoup some loss or sit in a corner and blame your luck.
The system should be like,
a player makes weed - sells it to local family- local family to recognized family- official family- market at the rate higher such that official can make more profit. Market must only be accessible to official families and the rate must be like more the drugs, higher the price. Like if i sell 1 weed i get 33p/g. but if i sell 10 weeds at a time the price must be increased like 36 p/g
If you want to take it a in a realistic way, how about I tell you that the market should also make profit out of desperate sellers too?
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Only leaders can get more pergram?
If thats the case, the public must be given full information of the system of drugs
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Anyone that can access the market gets the same price.
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You should just become a better businessman if you seek to gain profit. You won't get it from the script, so you must interact with others. It's not as hard as it seems.
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This message is directed to those who never used the drug market/made drugs/are cops, don't even talk. Let the developers/managers+ handle this.
Let me give you a SIMPLE example.
Here's the memberlist of a into-drugs-business family.
Don
Boss
Capo
Drug Collector
Drug Buyers
Drug Makers
Drug Maker makes drugs, sells to Drug Buyer, Drug Buyer sells to Drug Collecter, the last one sells to a Capo. Capo sells to a Boss, Boss sells to the Don. Now what the fuck does the don do with all the fucking drugs he has ? Eat it all ?
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Anyone that can access the market gets the same price.
Is this still happening or changed?
Vendito have more p/g than scotto.
Vendito.
(http://i.imgur.com/yVUOSND.jpg)
Scotto
(http://i.imgur.com/8vQEGtt.png)
How it works??and we've better status from Vendito but still they're getting more p.g.
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It doesn't depend on status. Different groups get different prices. It's to encourage dealing between groups.
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Now what the f**k does the don do with all the f**king drugs he has ? Eat it all ?
Now we know what career Charlie Sheen would choose if he played SA:MP.
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It doesn't depend on status. Different groups get different prices. It's to encourage dealing between groups.
Let's say that Gvardia should sell drugs to Vendito?Oh common...
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Let's say that Gvardia should sell drugs to Vendito?Oh common...
Why not?
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The drug market was supposed to be used by OFFICIAL, CRIMINAL groups. Now even normal, crimianl groups can use it. Official families should be, at least, having a higher price than normal/recognized, criminal status.
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As for /drugmarketprice, it isn't based on anything, just a matter of luck. The prices change for each group at random times, every couple of weeks or so. The randomness is to promote group trading.
This must change.
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we have 49 p/g and Scotto 46 what p/g gavrdia and Corleone has?
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The drug market was supposed to be used by OFFICIAL, CRIMINAL groups. Now even normal, crimianl groups can use it. Official families should be, at least, having a higher price than normal/recognized, criminal status.
Make the drugs market price same for all groups
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Make the drugs market price same for all groups
No.
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Drug Maker makes drugs, sells to Drug Buyer, Drug Buyer sells to Drug Collecter, the last one sells to a Capo. Capo sells to a Boss, Boss sells to the Don. Now what the f**k does the don do with all the f**king drugs he has ? Eat it all ?
This.
Market should act as a manager in RS4. Player dealing and interaction will always be there, the question is to who will the final person sell the drugs to.
Answer on this question was never given before and that's why drug system is broken.
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No.
Why no then it will begin fight here and all Groups meber will pm Manger too high or drugs market price.
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This must change.
^ hell yea..
Lets just call it lucky server or lets say that this server is just like spins and scratches depends on luck?
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^ hell yea..
Lets just call it lucky server or lets say that this server is just like spins and scratches depends on luck?
Right Carson it's a luck..
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Right Carson it's a luck..
Luck, luck and luck! what is this? Was there not any other better idea rather than it 'luck'?
Why not?
An Official or a recognized family sell drugs to a normal group is just insullting(By Roleplay) which is so unfair.
There should be changings in the script, Official groups get highest price from the drugmarket and the recognized family lower, Normal groups get normal price from the drugmarket, who are not in any family get normal price as a normal group, that's it.
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Insulting in role play? The status is not role play tool. It's just a reward for a group's contribution. Getting an official or recognized status doesn't make it an elite group in role play.
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Insulting in role play? The status is not role play tool. It's just a reward for a group's contribution. Getting an official or recognized status doesn't make it an elite group in role play.
Lets say, A hobo can not be a drug buyer. Official and recognized are not just status but also levels which means they are senior from the normal group.
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Insulting in role play? The status is not role play tool. It's just a reward for a group's contribution. Getting an official or recognized status doesn't make it an elite group in role play.
If it is just a reward then tell me why scripters were planning to access drugmarket only for official families?
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If it is just a reward then tell me why scripters were planning to access drugmarket only for official families?
Nailed it!
Weed is still not the same. This whole seeds thing should just pack up and head back to the workshop!
One seed, amount goes from 1 - 29. Yes, this should be luck. Not the rest.
Heroin is being worked on, so we really can't jump into conclusion on wether it's bad or not.
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Nailed it!
Weed is still not the same. This whole seeds thing should just pack up and head back to the workshop!
One seed, amount goes from 1 - 29. Yes, this should be luck. Not the rest.
Heroin is being worked on, so we really can't jump into conclusion on wether it's bad or not.
The sheer arrogance in your statements just amazes me. All you do is call scripts bad, but you miss a very essential point: come up with some solutions instead of moaning on what we have. Be thankful for a change.
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The sheer arrogance in your statements just amazes me. All you do is call scripts bad, but you miss a very essential point: come up with some solutions instead of moaning on what we have. Be thankful for a change.
Sorry, I don't recall you being part of the meeting I attended a while back with the SA:MP HQ about this very problem. I don't see you posting something about this problem other than bullshitting.
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I don't see you posting something about this problem other than bullshitting.
You should just become a better businessman if you seek to gain profit. You won't get it from the script, so you must interact with others. It's not as hard as it seems.
:rofl:
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:rofl:
If there would be no scripts:
Tell me how I could be making money by just buying and selling drugs, or just weed.
Tell me how I could be making money by owning a business.
Tell me how I could be making money as a cop/medic/fireman/driver/mechanic/hooker/etc.
Go back to reading and then come up with a proper post if you think that nothing should change.
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People who are working with drugs are trying to report flaws in the system because system is broken.
And people who never did drugs are coming here to spread nonsense and bullshit.
PS: For those who dont know Lucianos price for weed is 0/g for 2 months already.
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PS: For those who dont know Lucianos price for weed is 0/g for 2 months already.
Bad luck? :strong:
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PS: For those who dont know Lucianos price for weed is 0/g for 2 months already.
Josef checked it, it is 35p/g to him. ;)
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Lets say, A hobo can not be a drug buyer. Official and recognized are not just status but also levels which means they are senior from the normal group.
What?
No group is senior to other group just cause it has official recognized status and the other does not. It is JUST a reward for their contribution. It means shit in role play. What you are saying is the Government promoted you. LOL.
The drug market is again just a reward for being the most contributing group, same as group vehicles which was originally for official groups but was later made for recognized groups. It doesn't make you senior being a recognized group. There could be groups that can be way better than you at role play but still be normal group, and that's what it would make them a better group than other group. Get your facts straight. Stop spreading bull shit.
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No group is senior to other group just cause it has official recognized status and the other does not. It is JUST a reward for their contribution. It means shit in role play. What you are saying is the Government promoted you. LOL.
Explain the contribution first of all? what we did? Activity?
What?
There could be groups that can be way better than you at role play but still be normal group, and that's what it would make them a better group than other group. Get your facts straight. Stop spreading bull shit.
If a normal group is better than a recognized family at roleplay then why don't they get recognized status? What contribution you are talking about? Or A normal group help the people and get recognized status? There are many of the players which are in normal group help the people and are active, they haven't still got the recognized status? Or it is all just about not rulebreaking?
I am not bullshitting.
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An Official or a recognized family sell drugs to a normal group is just insullting(By Roleplay) which is so unfair.
There should be changings in the script, Official groups get highest price from the drugmarket and the recognized family lower, Normal groups get normal price from the drugmarket, who are not in any family get normal price as a normal group, that's it.
If this indeed is the official standpoint of Scotto (which I hope it isn't), then as ARUN Adviser, I may open a discussion for the purpose of re-evaluating your opportunities within ARUN, as we do not like to promote player groups who mistakenly believe they are innately superior to and better than everyone else on the server.
As for the question of roleplay ability vis-a-vis Official/Recognized status, a group can possess a high roleplay skill, but not so much in terms of contribution to the server. Contributions may also come in the form of just being active on the server and contributing to the playerbase, rather than monumental changes or legacies.
Official Groups get to exercise additional control over the drug market as a reward for their contributions, and it does not go further than that. While Official status may give them precedence over other groups in certain matters (as a reward, I repeat), it in no way makes them innately better than or superior to anyone else.
This means that any idea of treating Official/Recognized groups fairly as other groups being "insulting" is nothing more than a load of bullshit and (misplaced) self-entitlement.
Remember that one of the responsibilities of an Official/Recognized group is to serve as role-models to junior groups, something which certain factions (unfortunately) have not been adhering to. If this persists, their status may just be re-evaluated as well.
While Argonath may be an RPG server, your roleplay ability is worthless if you don't know how to be nice to others or contribute to this community properly.
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While Argonath may be an RPG server, your roleplay ability is worthless if you don't know how to be nice to others or contribute to this community properly.
I agree what you say JDC, but you are talking about supriority now. Everyone should get same drug prices from drugmarket because it isn't equallity?
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I agree what you say JDC, but you are talking about supriority now. Everyone should get same drug prices from drugmarket because it isn't equallity?
And everyone should get jaield for the same amount because everyone is equal.
Being a criminal on Argonath is not the standard action movie criminal. You know, the one that talks tough and draws a gun at everything. Unfortunately for move fans, such criminals would never survive longer than a week. So how do we see a criminal?
We see a criminal as someone who enjoys taking risks. Risks that can bring a higher profit as the daily work of a citizen. but that also can cost a lot more when it goes wrong. This is what we have incorporated in to RS5.
First of all if you wish to become (or remain) rich as criminal going on a killing spree is not the best thing to do.
Crime familes are an important part. And some of the families have a standing that puts them above others, the official families.
Official families will get a state funded headquarter. Also they get the possibility to export drugs, thus keeping the market alive.
But the money making is not limited to things like drugs. In fact the making of money might be more from being the 'roof' of regular business.
As there will be a limitation to official families, this also gives them a responsibility. This means that it is possible for a family to lose their official status should they be found largely inactive or being abusive of their status. If that happens their state issued HQ will turn in to a normal one, and they lose the possibility to be exporting drugs.
So, Official families export drugs. That's the advatange. We can't talk about equality here.
Official families being the only one able to use the drug market could be unfair, somehow, to other families. But, giving a random price for drugs to each group, which could lead to a new group having a higher price than an official family, is absurd. One word, experience.
The way I see it, a middle way must be found. I propose:
Official families' price: 40/g - 49/g.
Recognized families' price: 30/g-39/g.
Normal families' price: 20/g - 29/g.
This will promote player-to-player trade, if that is what concern the developers. Why not take a higher price, maybe for a lower amount of drugs as well, when you can ?
And of course, group-to-group dealing. Normal groups will grow, and this will give them a boost to the way up.
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I agree with Stivi.