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Title: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 08, 2014, 04:51:07 pm
Hi guys I started this topic because I experienced a player hacking or cheating already and its not cool it puts new player to a disadvantage or any player for that matter and it sets a bad example to other players and they might thing that after seeing you Hacking or Cheating they might think its ok and when they try it they get a punishment or even worst a ban that they never come back from.

SO PLEASE GUYS FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE SERVER
PLEASE STOP IT!!

If you fell that you need to say something about Hackers or Cheaters please now is the time to respond to them and tell me what you think about them?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Brian on May 08, 2014, 05:06:51 pm
Hi guys I started this topic because I experienced a player hacking or cheating already and its not cool it puts new player to a disadvantage or any player for that matter and it sets a bad example to other players and they might thing that after seeing you Hacking or Cheating they might think its ok and when they try it they get a punishment or even worst a ban that they never come back from.

SO PLEASE GUYS FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE SERVER
PLEASE STOP IT!!

If you fell that you need to say something about Hackers or Cheaters please now is the time to respond to them and tell me what you think about them?!?!?!?

See a hacker, /report...
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Archie on May 08, 2014, 05:12:46 pm
Or seen an improper admin? Don't forget you can report him/her by using this email address : [email protected] (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/[email protected])
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: TiMoN on May 08, 2014, 05:19:44 pm
You do know that hackers don't give a single crap about the forum, right?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Bruce. on May 08, 2014, 05:23:17 pm

SO PLEASE GUYS FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE SERVER
PLEASE STOP IT!!


You really think that if someone goes into a community to hack and cheat will register in the server's forum?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Miller786 on May 08, 2014, 05:24:04 pm
Please stop calling these guys hackers... they are just dumb cheaters using a program downloaded from a random internet site without even knowing that their computer got infected by a virus in that program...
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Meepy on May 08, 2014, 05:53:38 pm
Please stop calling these guys hackers... they are just dumb cheaters using a program downloaded from a random internet site without even knowing that their computer got infected by a virus in that program...

They aren't all viruses.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Dean. on May 08, 2014, 06:48:24 pm
Topic will only make people want to do it more often..
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Lustigkurre on May 08, 2014, 06:55:37 pm
Give this man a medal, this is genius  :app:
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Miller786 on May 08, 2014, 10:31:44 pm
They aren't all viruses.
Did you try? :P
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: AK47 on May 08, 2014, 10:35:41 pm
Did you try? :P

They aren't. ;)
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: JDC on May 08, 2014, 11:57:49 pm
A real "hacker" is someone who can force his way into the Argonath RPG database and get all the info he wants. The ones you see on the server are more accurately termed as 12 year-olds who downloaded a trainer from Google or something.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: DarkShadowBlade on May 09, 2014, 06:31:39 am
downloaded a trainer from Google or something.
Hmmm... didn't I say this some months ago? And I do remember a multitude of people saying "No that really is a hacker." Trainers are the worst... It would be nice if the server would actually detect when trainers are being used when these people launch SA:MP... It would be an interesting idea to get something like that working..
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Alexander_Rijav on May 09, 2014, 09:35:03 am
Hmmm... didn't I say this some months ago? And I do remember a multitude of people saying "No that really is a hacker." Trainers are the worst... It would be nice if the server would actually detect when trainers are being used when these people launch SA:MP... It would be an interesting idea to get something like that working..
Something like background check?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Miller786 on May 09, 2014, 03:48:05 pm
A real "hacker" is someone who can force his way into the Argonath RPG database and get all the info he wants. The ones you see on the server are more accurately termed as 12 year-olds who downloaded a trainer from Google or something.
+1 Finally someone with some grey stuff in his head
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: CharlieKasper on May 09, 2014, 04:43:14 pm
If you see a player using cheats and there are no admins online, take pictures and/or videos and send an email to [email protected]. The report will be reviewed by the HQ of SAMP and will be dealt accordingly.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: JDC on May 09, 2014, 05:51:14 pm
Hmmm... didn't I say this some months ago? And I do remember a multitude of people saying "No that really is a hacker." Trainers are the worst... It would be nice if the server would actually detect when trainers are being used when these people launch SA:MP... It would be an interesting idea to get something like that working..
Something like background check?

MTA:VC had this. It would not let you go ingame if your game was noticeably modded, nor let you join the server if a program with the words "hack", "cheat", "mod", and etc. were in its name. (going ingame was different from connecting to the server; MTA:VC had an IRC-like outgame chat where you connected to first before joining the game, so you could chat from outgame)

The disadvantage was that it created a lot of false positives or disconnected you from the server at times even if you ALT-TABbed just to browse regularly. Suppose a good implementation can be developed for SA:MP, I wonder how that would work out, as many SA:MP players use mods. (to be particular, texture mods)
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 09, 2014, 09:31:07 pm
Hey guys i know that trainers are fun when you are playing singleplayer but when you playing with other people you are seen as low life cheaters who cannot play the game fairly and if you can player the game fair dont play it at all!!!!! :cop: :mad: :gand:
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Tiny on May 09, 2014, 09:35:54 pm
thanks for saving Argonath bro  :app:
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Denis_Pro on May 09, 2014, 09:45:02 pm
You do know that hackers don't give a single crap about the forum, right?
Lol yeah
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 09, 2014, 09:50:12 pm
No problem just because i am a player and not a admin doenst mean i do want to see improvement in the argonath RPG server
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Solis on May 09, 2014, 10:03:40 pm
If you see a player using cheats and there are no admins online, take pictures and/or videos and send an email to [email protected]. The report will be reviewed by the HQ of SAMP and will be dealt accordingly.

That e-mail doesn't even work anymore, apparently.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 09, 2014, 10:07:45 pm
What e-mail Solis ??
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Cyril on May 09, 2014, 10:35:20 pm
That e-mail doesn't even work anymore, apparently.

The email works perfectly.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Solis on May 09, 2014, 10:38:30 pm
The email works perfectly.

Yeah, so perfectly that I get an "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender‏" automated reply in less than a minute of me sending the report. Twice.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Cyril on May 09, 2014, 10:40:54 pm
Yeah, so perfectly that I get an "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender‏" automated reply in less than a minute of me sending the report. Twice.

That's only because DellStorm can't receive mails.
So yes, works well.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Zaila on May 09, 2014, 10:41:09 pm
Yeah, so perfectly that I get an "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender‏" automated reply in less than a minute of me sending the report. Twice.

The others is still getting it.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 09, 2014, 10:48:10 pm
Hey cyril please answer my question why is it that there is a /report command and nobody even bothers with it anymore and please dont give me this shit excuse of you are not machines because when you filled in your application to you knew what you where getting yourself into so all im saying accept more moderators to help the team the only why you are going to improve the team is if you grow and by that i mean accepting applications im not an moderator nor am i a admin but players ask me about the server and I give up my playing time to help them so why cant you do the same?? Dont také it personal going out to all admins and moderators
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Zaila on May 09, 2014, 10:54:34 pm
Hey cyril please answer my question why is it that there is a /report

I'm not Cyril but i can answer it.

/report is there for players to report other players that is breaking rules on the server.  Since normal players can't see the admin chat and the amount of reports coming in, it's easily happend that players starts thinking that our staff members is ignoring their reports while in reality, there can be several reports at once which is forcing those staff members online to prioritize which means the other reports coming in is more urgent than the one you just sent in.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 09, 2014, 10:59:49 pm
Zaila that is why im asking please just look at the moderator applications so that reports can be solved and so that you staff can grow so there would be no more problems !
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: AK47 on May 09, 2014, 11:01:26 pm
Zaila that is why im asking please just look at the moderator applications so that reports can be solved and so that you staff can grow so there would be no more problems !

Are you serious or are you trying to troll?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 09, 2014, 11:04:49 pm
EMMET I AM SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT I SAID
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: JDC on May 09, 2014, 11:08:29 pm
EMMET I AM SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT I SAID

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe you can stop implying that we (the current staff) are ineffective at solving problems. You have no real idea of how we work, and the quality of the admin team does not depend on the number of admins.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 09, 2014, 11:11:44 pm
I know how your staff system works
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: AK47 on May 09, 2014, 11:13:34 pm
I know how your staff system works

Oh do you?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: JDC on May 09, 2014, 11:14:19 pm
I know how your staff system works

Do put your money where your mouth is, and explain it to us then. I'll be listening.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: KhornateMonkey on May 09, 2014, 11:31:46 pm
I suppose it's dependent on what type of "hacking" you do as to whether it's funny or not
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Solis on May 10, 2014, 01:16:02 am
That's only because DellStorm can't receive mails.
So yes, works well.

The others is still getting it.

Ah, so it's true. The admins did actually receive it but instead decided to do nothing about it, except for Rusty Culver (props to him for at least doing something). Guess my predictions before even sending the e-mails were correct.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Rusty on May 10, 2014, 01:30:23 am
Ah, so it's true. The admins did actually receive it but instead decided to do nothing about it, except for Rusty Culver (props to him for at least doing something). Guess my predictions before even sending the e-mails were correct.

Admins can't see the email complaints people send, just Managers+.
It does work even I have emailed a few times without giving my IG name (and under a different email) and got a response within a day or two.  Reported was posted for them to see so we can get it dealt with.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Solis on May 10, 2014, 01:36:28 am
Admins can't see the email complaints people send, just Managers+.

Now I'm even more confused as to how that e-mail even works, but oh well.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Zaila on May 10, 2014, 01:38:37 am
Zaila that is why im asking please just look at the moderator applications so that reports can be solved and so that you staff can grow so there would be no more problems !

What you need to understand is that we are not focing our staff members to be online at any times so it doesn't matter how many we recruit, there will be times when the staff members online can't take on every single report right away.



Now I'm even more confused as to how that e-mail even works, but oh well.
At this moment, you will get a message saying the delivery failed. What it means is that 1 or more emails attached to [email protected] will can't recieve emails from [email protected] which means it sends out a message that the delivery failed. However, the rest of us that can recieve the emails does so.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 10, 2014, 11:26:41 am
It would actually help if you recruit more member because players life in different time zones so that would help a lot!!!!!
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Kostas on May 10, 2014, 11:31:56 am
You do know that hackers don't give a single crap about the forum, right?

Exactly, and if they did. You would be simply asking them to hack dailly with this topic...
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Zaila on May 10, 2014, 01:48:19 pm
It would actually help if you recruit more member because players life in different time zones so that would help a lot!!!!!
Of course, you are correct on this. However,  recruiting new staff members is always a time consuming process since we are not recruiting whoever applies first.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Grizz on May 10, 2014, 02:06:44 pm
It would actually help if you recruit more member because players life in different time zones so that would help a lot!!!!!

Staff members are not machines, they also need to sleep, eat and work. Your life will not fall apart if theres a hacker in-game for an hour.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 10, 2014, 02:16:24 pm
So if you don't want any members why did you open applications for people If you don't want to waste your time looking into applications after all that is what you signed up for isn't it?? Because on the application it said you would have to give up your time to look at things like applications
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: AK47 on May 10, 2014, 02:23:01 pm
Proving yourself worthy the admin-position doesn't take a day to show.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Devin on May 10, 2014, 02:24:27 pm
Zaila never said we don't want any members, what he is saying is that we will accept suitable candidates as we need.
There's no point of accepting a large bunch of new moderators just randomly. Background checks are done, behaviour is checked and of course punishment history is checked when considering a new moderator.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 10, 2014, 02:49:11 pm
Ok I understand what you opinion is but I just see it differently because I went through every moderator application and I saw only two or three admins responding or even viewing the application of two or three players
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Dean. on May 10, 2014, 04:47:28 pm
Probably since they are handled internally.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 11, 2014, 11:53:20 pm
I just dont get why you opened applications if you dont look through them!?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: AK47 on May 11, 2014, 11:54:40 pm
I just dont get why you opened applications if you dont look through them!?

They are.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Devin on May 12, 2014, 12:37:39 am
Applications will be accepted in due time. There's no need to constantly add moderators to the team.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Brian on May 12, 2014, 12:48:26 am
I just dont get why you opened applications if you dont look through them!?

And if you would've taken a look at other applications, you would've seen that they are actually doing things with it, or just looked in the board you could see that Devin made a post in it today.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Manoni on May 12, 2014, 02:54:19 am
The applications are open in part to let know that you are willing to offer your time helping the community being a moderator in the server, maintaining a peaceful gameplay and helping the new players.
But in fact, the way to show your interest for it is specially by being active, showing dedication and doing your own efforts as a player to improve the server as much as you can.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 12, 2014, 04:27:48 pm
Well might I say that not all of your admins are fair because I am a cop and I suspected some guy and this admin SLavik unsuspected him and I asked why did you unsuspect him he said because I'm admin and I can do whatever I want!! Really is this the type of support your staff team is giving
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: AK47 on May 12, 2014, 04:34:27 pm
Well might I say that not all of your admins are fair because I am a cop and I suspected some guy and this admin SLavik unsuspected him

What did you exactly suspect him for?

he said because I'm admin and I can do whatever I want!! Really is this the type of support your staff team is giving

I don't think he really said this.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 12, 2014, 04:47:26 pm
I suspected this fireman for reckless driving because I was monitoring him whole time when I stopped him I told him switch his engine off so he did then I told hif I could see his license and he told me he didn't have so he drove off so I suspected him evaded and drove recklessly so he logged off to evade being a suspect and I told this admin Slavik and he teleported me to this guy and then Slavik unsuspected him because I suspected him again and I asked him why did you unsuspect heim so he told me "because I am admin and I can do whatever I want."
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Brian on May 12, 2014, 04:49:23 pm
I suspected this fireman for reckless driving because I was monitoring him whole time when I stopped him I told him switch his engine off so he did then I told hif I could see his license and he told me he didn't have so he drove off so I suspected him evaded and drove recklessly so he logged off to evade being a suspect and I told this admin Slavik and he teleported me to this guy and then Slavik unsuspected him because I suspected him again and I asked him why did you unsuspect heim so he told me "because I am admin and I can do whatever I want."

You can not suspect someone for the same crime if he escaped, secondly 'Evading' or 'evade' is not a proper crime, you have to explain what the person is evading from.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: AK47 on May 12, 2014, 04:52:44 pm
You can not suspect someone for the same crime if he escaped, secondly 'Evading' or 'evade' is not a proper crime, you have to explain what the person is evading from.

Indeed.

/su 1 Evading = Invalid
/su 1 Evading from trafficstop or w/e = Valid

And if he quitted the game to avoid you, use the /report function when he returns and an admin will look into it.


And please, READ ME (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=105753.0)
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 13, 2014, 05:55:17 pm
Removed.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Skalleper on May 13, 2014, 05:58:36 pm
Reports on administration can be sent to [email protected]. Do not post them randomly on the forum.
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 13, 2014, 06:05:27 pm
Thank you I will be reporting him but do you know his full ingame name?
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Slavik on May 13, 2014, 06:35:27 pm
Thank you I will be reporting him but do you know his full ingame name?

My in game name is [WS]Slavik_Kolta
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Brian on May 13, 2014, 06:38:57 pm
Removed.

So what you are saying is

You report a guy, a admin responds on your report and then you go interfere and suspect him, while you reported him.
That's 3 things you did wrong there mate.

On another note, you do not get unsuspected after you relog. So that means he escaped or got admin handled already, or died. This means that you can not suspect him again as he escaped/got killed/got admin handled already
Title: Re: Hacking or Cheating is not fun
Post by: Simon_sullivan on May 13, 2014, 07:06:23 pm
Actually I heard the conversation between the fireman and Slavik and he told the fireman to follow me to police station but I could not cuff him unless he was suspected
 
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