If you don't wish people to complain then make a fair selection. Don't accept people because their past, accept for those who do dedicate their time helping your server and contributing with something. I'm not saying the fact that those who you did accept are not capable to take care of their duty but there are some who really deserves it , yet they're getting ignored. The logic is definitely pathetic, don't mind me but HQ should pay more attention for those who contribute in a way or another. Everyone should receive the opportunity, not because they've been a pest in the past, maybe they really changed. What kind of example do you give to players? That they can't receive the opportunity to help the server because they did not play 7 years? . What happened should remain in the past. There's a new era on-going on Argonath so don't say shits like x or y has been a good admin in the past and that's why he got accepted. Jesus Christ, you wish to be a bigger community but you rather make your own players feel like they're nothing. A player is considered for his punishment history? Lol, you almost made me laugh. If the respective player changed then he should be rewarded if he's doing something positively or not. Players should be accepted for their contribution towards the server, not because they have playing for a long time.
If you wish to remove my post do it, but I'm just saying my opinion.
That's the point. Those who were accepted are making valuable contributions to RS5, many of which came in when the server was still in its critical recovery phase.
I don't think so, not all of them. And I'm pretty sure it's not only my opinion. Nowadays players feel frightened to assert their own words, own opinion because they know the fact that they would be considered as moaners then. If you would make an anonymously poll stating that if all of the recently accepted moderators list was deserved, you'd be surprised after seeing the outcomes.
I'm not moaning nor trying to. My point is not that. My point is that the moderator recruitments should be honest and rightfully. Not because they've been an administrator before. That's a ridiculos logic. I'm not stating the fact that everyone who helps in a way or another deserves the moderator position, those who CONTRIBUTE should be. It's unfair seeing people getting accepted due to a stupid reason and others being ignored. Why? Maybe not everyone will be a succesfully administrator but still, everyone should get the opportunity.
2. If you think that people are chosen because "they suck up to an unfair, high-and-mighty admin team", then I advise you get off your high horse and learn to accept the fact that the administration is tasked with keeping order here, whether you like it or not.
4. While many of those who were not chosen do not deserve a post for at least one valid reason, it does not follow that everyone (potentially) deserving of a post, yet not chosen, is automatically unsuitable to become a moderator just because they did not make it to the top of the list.
7. Your "opinion" of who should be chosen is not automatically concurrent with the criteria of who can best serve and protect the community. Decisions are not made at one person's whim, and the list of candidates is submitted for deliberation and further refining before it is finally announced.
8. While some (potentially) deserving candidates were overlooked this time, people who really want to serve and help will do it with or without a position. A rank can be changed in an hour or a day, but the genuine willingness of someone to serve this community (and be an example of a rule-abiding, worthy player) is something much harder both to gain and take away. Those who truly help out this community for the sake of helping will eventually get the rewards that they deserve.
I've had a colourful past with punishment, with issues caused and even bans. People are always given a chance to prove themselves despite punishment history.
I'm saying those who actually struggle to get it, to help the community, to improve it are the ones who deserve to be a moderator/admin. That's why people should be accepted.Actually that would be totally the wrong reason by itself, but it does play a part of the whole decision making process.
Not because the respective player has contributed the community in another server, he is supposed to be accepted because of his dedication to your server.That other players you keep bringing up, has been a SAMP player a lot longer than you AND has actually exceed even your own requirements for moderator, never mid an admin, he has dedicated a huge amount of time helping Argonath and in particular our SAMP server just because you have not seen it does not mean it has not happened .. again its why we do not rely on one persons view...
You say people are getting appreciated for their work.. uhm, what? You sure we're both talking about Argonath? I never seen a player getting even a damn thank you from anyone which makes a lot of players lose their motivation, feel awkward. And exactly the opposite, you accept people who did not even pay attention on his own application which is just.. lol.
Your logic is totally wrong, in my eyes. Accepting people because HQ thinks they would be capable of taking care of admin related stuff? No, everyone should have his own chance of being accepted. There are many people who try to get the rank because they wish to help your damn community but they're getting unobserved.Okay. Player X has been a good administrator in the past, helped the community. Good for him, he has my respect. But you shouldn't ignore other people who work their asses off to make your community better.We do not ignore them, you have no idea what is going on in the staff discussions and yet again have NO right to know... STOP making assumptions on something you have little knowledge about.Then you should make moderator applicaitons only for veterans, ex-admins. No one would moan then.That would be unfair as we do find some good moderators/admins in the newer players.I'm not moaning nor trying to. My point is not that.I think you already proving you are..My point is that the moderator recruitments should be honest and rightfully.They are honest, but clearly not in your opinion, we do not go buy one persons view, we have multiple assessmentsNot because they've been an administrator before. That's a ridiculos logic.Agreed that is why some ex admins have been denied...It's unfair seeing people getting accepted due to a stupid reason and others being ignored.I do not think there has been any stupid reasons, and believe me when looking and the admin discussion over this wave there is nothing stupid there.Why? Maybe not everyone will be a succesfully administrator but still, everyone should get the opportunity.I say not, because there are many who do not deserve that opportunity due to their actions.
I've had a colourful past with punishment, with issues caused and even bans. People are always given a chance to prove themselves despite punishment history.
Same here .. :rolleyes:
Mhm, sure. Let me ask you something, where are you from?
Prove it. Words are not enough.
Mhm, sure. Let me ask you something, where are you from?
I am the living proof.Wow. Banning 6 times, really good. Well done Brian.
I have been banned 5 times maybe 6 and have had a huge ammount of punishments. I changed and look where I am at now.
And exactly the opposite, you accept people who did not even pay attention on his own application which is just.. lol.(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/49950751.jpg)
I've had a colourful past with punishment, with issues caused and even bans. People are always given a chance to prove themselves despite punishment history.
Sweden, why?Exactly.
I am the living proof.I almost cried.
I have been banned 5 times maybe 6 and have had a huge ammount of punishments. I changed and look where I am at now.
Why does every topic have to end up in a unnecessary discussion where at least one person gets provoked/flamed? Can't we just congratulate those who were invited to the admin team and stop whining?Yep, whoever has the balls to say everything in face is either a moaner or rulebreaker. What? I came up with proper arguments and you should get off of your high horse, son.
Joining a-team is not by typing longass reason, it's by your work, your dedication.Everything I said can be adequate to this sentence. People don't pay attention those who deserve it, they pay attention on those who are either a admin/manager or another server or he's an old administrator. Wake up, people. It's quite obvious that they're selected for another reasons. Totally different on what they say, just to make you feel that everyone receives the opportunity. Are you f**king kidding me? I'm going to give you an example. My boss from Gvardia family, Stivi. He's been active and playing from the beginning of RS5 but he's being ignored. He wasted his time fixing the server bugs and so many other things. He leaded a big group together with Jeremy and they kept your fucking server alive. While those who did you accept, wasn't playing at all or did not even register. Yet they're being ignored. Maybe my arguments won't solve anything and I'm pretty aware of that but still, that's what most of people think.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/49950751.jpg)"Because I want to help" - :lol: . Firstly I thought it's a joke, honestly. But, it's just too obvious. May I ask you from which country is Abraham?
People don't pay attention those who deserve it, they pay attention on those who are either a admin/manager or another server or he's an old administrator. Wake up, people. It's quite obvious that they're selected for another reasons. Totally different on what they say, just to make you feel that everyone receives the opportunity.Hi i used to play in SA:MP even though i've never been a moderator/admin in that division, i moved to IV:MP and they selected me to be an IV:MP admin , guess what ? I never been in the A-team during my 4 years in argonath. You need to get your facts straight my friend. People who are not chosen in this wave might be selected in the next one , it's all based on your patience , up to i guess.
Who said people are not appreciated for their dedication and work which in essence helped the server?Absolutely. You needn't be chosen as an admin or a moderator. The importarnt thing is that we can play with fun, not compete with players for getting chosen as an admin. Maybe you won't selected as an admin. This is so normal. Anyone who hasn't selected as admin for this community musn't plead, crave or complain. Just have fun. You will selected such admin already if you deserve it. I mean "don't worry about it."
If people chose to be mature about things and not go all rogue moaner style when the new moderators were chosen things would be different.
So someone wasn't chosen this time, it doesn't mean their chances are over. However if you want to go about moaning that you weren't chosen you're burning the bridges for yourself.
I applied for a moderator position each time from 2008 to 2013 and I was only chosen in 2013, did I run about screaming and shouting because I wasn't chosen for a wave? No as that solves nothing.
Hi i used to play in SA:MP even though i've never been a moderator/admin in that division, i moved to IV:MP and they selected me to be an IV:MP admin , guess what ? I never been in the A-team during my 4 years in argonath. You need to get your facts straight my friend. People who are not chosen in this wave might be selected in the next one , it's all based on your patience , up to i guess.Right, wait for the next one.
Who said people are not appreciated for their dedication and work which in essence helped the server?You. The HQ. The recent recruitment wave. Keep ignoring people, seems like for you it's like the key of success.
If people chose to be mature about things and not go all rogue moaner style when the new moderators were chosen things would be different.Ever heard of being frustrated? I would proceed in the same way. If I'm getting ignored what's the point of believing over and over? It would never end and those who don't deserve would be always chosen. The onle message you're addressing to your own players by making such recruitments its like don't pay attention to server, don't be helpful, don't contribute and you will be accepted.
So someone wasn't chosen this time, it doesn't mean their chances are over. However if you want to go about moaning that you weren't chosen you're burning the bridges for yourself.Everyone is telling the same bullshit. Prove it, speaking about it it's just pointless. I'm bored of hearing the same shit every time.
Hi i used to play in SA:MP even though i've never been a moderator/admin in that division, i moved to IV:MP and they selected me to be an IV:MP admin , guess what ? I never been in the A-team during my 4 years in argonath. You need to get your facts straight my friend. People who are not chosen in this wave might be selected in the next one , it's all based on your patience , up to i guess.It's not about that. It's about people who're actually contributing to their server are ALWAYS being ignored. Recruiting pointless people is another evidence. Seeing people being accepted without any point is why I'm arguing. They're always waiting players to improve their server but yet they're ones who fucks up everything. And they wonder why so much veterans left.
Absolutely. You needn't be chosen as an admin or a moderator. The importarnt thing is that we can play with fun, not compete with players for getting chosen as an admin. Maybe you won't selected as an admin. This is so normal. Anyone who hasn't selected as admin for this community musn't plead, crave or complain. Just have fun. You will selected such admin already if you deserve it. I mean "don't worry about it."Right, wait for the next one.How you could enjoy playing on a server with a corrupt staff? People are waiting for ages now, waiting more would be a big mistake, according to HQ. Maybe if they just fuck around they would have their own chance.
How you could enjoy playing on a server with a corrupt staff? People are waiting for ages now, waiting more would be a big mistake, according to HQ. Maybe if they just f**k around they would have their own chance.Do you really think that all admins staff corrupt? You are the one who doesn't think that they're corrupt. Do you think you are the only correct one? I don't think so. Also you don't need f**k around to get your chance. Just concede that you aren't right person to be a moderator if you didn't chosen.
You. The HQ. The recent recruitment wave. Keep ignoring people, seems like for you it's like the key of success.
Ever heard of being frustrated? I would proceed in the same way. If I'm getting ignored what's the point of believing over and over? It would never end and those who don't deserve would be always chosen. The onle message you're addressing to your own players by making such recruitments its like don't pay attention to server, don't be helpful, don't contribute and you will be accepted.
Everyone is telling the same bullshit. Prove it, speaking about it it's just pointless. I'm bored of hearing the same shit every time.
I don't even want to become a moderator, but if I was active I guess I'd be chosen because those who are dedicated are being ignored obviously.
It's not about that. It's about people who're actually contributing to their server are ALWAYS being ignored. Recruiting pointless people is another evidence. Seeing people being accepted without any point is why I'm arguing. They're always waiting players to improve their server but yet they're ones who f**ks up everything. And they wonder why so much veterans left.
How you could enjoy playing on a server with a corrupt staff? People are waiting for ages now, waiting more would be a big mistake, according to HQ. Maybe if they just f**k around they would have their own chance.
Do you really think that all admins staff corrupt? You are the one who doesn't think that they're corrupt. Do you think you are the only correct one? I don't think so. Also you don't need f**k around to get your chance. Just concede that you aren't right person to be a moderator if you didn't chosen.Yes. People are getting ignored over and over, like they're either nothing or invisible. Don't accept people because they're cool friends with you or you think they deserve it. He needs to prove himself that he's capable of taking care of the admin duty. You're giving opportunities to everyone, no. You have to give opportunities to the ones who work to achieve it, who contribute your server, who keeps your server alive. With this logic you can't get anywhere.
Yes. People are getting ignored over and over, like they're either nothing or invisible. Don't accept people because they're cool friends with you or you think they deserve it. He needs to prove himself that he's capable of taking care of the admin duty. You're giving opportunities to everyone, no. You have to give opportunities to the ones who work to achieve it, who contribute your server, who keeps your server alive. With this logic you can't get anywhere.They can't accept all the players as moderators, everyone will get a chance.
Sure people get frustrated when they believe they're ignored and their time spent is a waste but it does not help to throw that down the toilet by complaining when there's future chances to be productive within the administration team.Then don't moan about people complaining when they tell the truth. They have the right to, when you make such fucked up recruitments.
To begin with, who are you to talk on behalf of HQ? Don't start spreading rumours when you haven't a clue what actually happens with moderator waves.Yes, I blame HQ for being corrupt and accepting players who don't deserve to be a moderator. Got a problem with it? Get over it, everyone knows that. You're either living in the past when everyone had his own chance to become a moderator or maybe you're just ignoring it. Accept them because they deserve it, not because of another reasons which I listed above. Make them fair for everyone, for fucking sake.
So HQ f**ked up the server? Yeah go blame the entire HQ for what? Players attitude towards change?
They can't accept all the players as moderators, everyone will get a chance.From the current list, only Manoni fully deserved it. The others have been accepted for another reasons, because HQ felt like they can take care of the job. YOU KIDDING ME? Do it because they WORK for it NOT because they have been an administrator before or they're being one in another server.
Yes. People are getting ignored over and over, like they're either nothing or invisible. Don't accept people because they're cool friends with you or you think they deserve it.Hehe. I want to let you know that I never seen "Abraham_Corleone" in game and never heard of him. Do you still think we accept them because we're cool friends. We accept them really as they deserved it.
He needs to prove himself that he's capable of taking care of the admin duty.Agreed.
You're giving opportunities to everyone, no. You have to give opportunities to the ones who work to achieve it, who contribute your server, who keeps your server alive. With this logic you can't get anywhere.You know, I am just a player. Imagine you are the owner of this community. Won't you get moderators who keeps your server alive and contribute it? Of course you'll. And you can't give a chance to players to prove themselves. To all players. In your logic, who can help new players can be a moderator. No.
They can't accept all the players as moderators, everyone will get a chance.Totally agreed...
Then don't moan about people complaining when they tell the truth. They have the right to, when you make such f**ked up recruitments.
Yes, I blame HQ for being corrupt and accepting players who don't deserve to be a moderator. Got a problem with it? Get over it, everyone knows that. You're either living in the past when everyone had his own chance to become a moderator or maybe you're just ignoring it. Accept them because they deserve it, not because of another reasons which I listed above. Make them fair for everyone, for f**king sake.
Hehe. I want to let you know that I never seen "Abraham_Corleone" in game and never heard of him. Do you still think we accept them because we're cool friends. We accept them really as they deserved it.Sorry, who's "we" again ? Ever heard of timezones ?
Hehe. I want to let you know that I never seen "Abraham_Corleone" in game and never heard of him. Do you still think we accept them because we're cool friends. We accept them really as they deserved it.Agreed.You know, I am just a player. Imagine you are the owner of this community. Won't you get moderators who keeps your server alive and contribute it? Of course you'll. And you can't give a chance to players to prove themselves. To all players. In your logic, who can help new players can be a moderator. No.Totally agreed...
Scars, you're wasting your time, nobody will give two damn things about your words and your effort for this community. Argonath will never change, and I'm sorry too about this.
Sorry, who's "we" again ? Ever heard of timezones ?I usually login the server in the evening. But I login in the morning, too.
I usually login the server in the evening. But I login in the evening, too.I've seen Abraham couple of times in the morning(+5 GMT).
Exactly.
Just a proactive advice to any other aspiring shitters and mentally-challenged complainers...Best advice ever. Thank you for reminding.
If you do not actually know how the system works entirely, then it's best to keep your mouth shut rather than trying to look like an expert while moaning, when in fact you know nothing. Save yourself the waste of breath and the act of making yourself look stupid.
Sucking up to the entire staff is in no way part of the criteria, and if you cannot differentiate that from the actual dedication to serve, then I pity your brain cells. An example is Abraham, with whom I have clashed openly on the forum. Yet, he (like the others chosen) is still deserving of the position.
Bottom line: Those who were chosen were chosen because they are both deserving and qualified, but that doesn't mean we can accept everyone at once who is.
The new moderators still have their chance to prove themselves as staff, and the current staff will be there to help them along the way. Let's see how they do first before we judge them.
What this suppose to mean ?
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What this suppose to mean ?He has banned 6 times but he changed himself. Now he's Stunt Manager.
Tell us more about who deserve it or not while you haven't connected for the past 2 months.I wanted to say that too. :)
congratulate new moderatorsThat's the key word for someone who doesn't know that.
There is no point, it's not going to change what has happened. There are more moderator waves as mentioned so those who were unlucky have another chance. People will always need their fix and this for some is how they go about it.
There is no point, it's not going to change what has happened. There are more moderator waves as mentioned so those who were unlucky have another chance. People will always need their fix and this for some is how they go about it.Implying those who were accepted are just lucky ? :lol:
Implying those who were accepted are just lucky ? :lol:I think he didn't mean :)
Implying those who were accepted are just lucky ? :lol:
I hope I don't go off-topic but here it goes:
Then don't moan about people complaining when they tell the truth. They have the right to, when you make such f**ked up recruitments.It's good if an applicant does his best for the server and constantly contributes to the community. And yeah, there are probably a lot of people who deserve to be moderators.
Yes, I blame HQ for being corrupt and accepting players who don't deserve to be a moderator. Got a problem with it? Get over it, everyone knows that. You're either living in the past when everyone had his own chance to become a moderator or maybe you're just ignoring it. Accept them because they deserve it, not because of another reasons which I listed above. Make them fair for everyone, for f**king sake.
From the current list, only Manoni fully deserved it. The others have been accepted for another reasons, because HQ felt like they can take care of the job. YOU KIDDING ME? Do it because they WORK for it NOT because they have been an administrator before or they're being one in another server.