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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Fatboy_Rob on December 06, 2007, 04:05:29 am

Title: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 06, 2007, 04:05:29 am
Here is a shove in the right direction to correct and fun Roleplaying, not just GTA, but all games.
Here are some tips on developing your roleplay-ability also

**-Role-playing-**
In roleplaying, participants adopt and act out the role of characters, or parts, that may have personalities, motivations, and backgrounds different from their own. Roleplaying is like being in an improvisational drama or free-form theatre, in which the participants are the actors who are playing parts, and the audience.
A role-playing game is a type of game in which the participants assume the roles of characters and collaboratively create stories. Participants determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, they may improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.

**-In Character-**
In roleplaying games, In Character (or IC) refers to the world of the characters, rather than the world of the players. That is, a character talking to another character is an IC interaction, set within the IC world, while two players talking about a football game or their real lives is an Out of Character ('OOC') interaction.
Most online role-playing communities make allowances for the intrusion of "RL" (real life) by introducing standards of communication, such as insisting that all "OOC" comments are placed inside brackets, or given some prefix. For example, "(OOC) Blast, the phone's ringing again, I'll go and pull it out of the wall."

**-Out Of Character-**
Out of Character (OOC) is a roleplaying term, referring to the world of the players, rather than the world of the characters. Actions in the game that are described from the point of view of the assumed character are referred to as In Character (IC). Actions or discussion of the character from the player's point of view are OOC. and also, widely known as Main chat, which is OOC chat, and is used for chit-chatting also.






PLEASE STOP DOING THESE THINGS
Meta-gaming
Meta-gaming is using Out of Character knowledge and applying it to an In Character situation. A common example of such is reading the name tag above a players head and saying their name in the In Character chat to gain their attention. You, the player, have seen the name on the screen, but your character does not know the person's name.

Power-gaming
Power-gaming is a term used to describe anything that is an unfeasible or non-realistic situation, or performing an action without allowing any other players to contest this action and come up with a suitable reaction. An example of such would be giving your character super-human strengths that allows it to break out of Police handcuffs or using a /me command to say that you knock someone out in one punch. Whenever an action is performed, it must always be an attempt. This allows the other player to react to this action. Hence Newton's Third Law - To every action, there is a reaction.




Prime Example of powergaming Via MSN:
Ûž[TCL]HaydenÛž  goes up and knocks him out in 1 punch and injects him with a sedative and takes his wallet

Prime Example of Metagaming Via MSN:
Ûž[TCL]HaydenÛž says: hey MrEcks! come over here! i wanna talk with you.
When your character does not even know his name.

Prime Example of OOC IC:
(( Hayden:  hey Wata, wanna go to chilliad and grow some weed? ))
(( Wata: Yea man, meet you there in 5 minutes ))
Cops are all there setup with guns & stuff, 4 minutes before Hayden & wata reach destination.
STOP USING OOC IN IC ITS METAGAMING

If your gonna use OOC in IC use (( <text> ))
like /l (( Hey where are we really going anyways? ))


Some Wise Comments from Gandalf ~

- If a player regularly meets the same character, he can recognize him. There for calling the name is not meta-gaming, it can be that the person is recognized. Same goes for people with some 'public function'.

- Use of the /ad command often leads to discussion.

/ad I am selling drugs
Cops: /suspect selling drugs

This IS good RP, because if in real life if you advertise to sell drugs you can expect the cops to pay attention.



5 step program to RPing good
1. Have common sense
2. Dont power/metagame
3. read what i posted up above
4. Have fun
5. dont make shit RP cause others will react to it

Note: i didnt make alot of this, i used some stuff from other RP sites
-Hayden
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: ODSTHelljumper89 on December 06, 2007, 04:18:59 am
 Nice, and ye if one person is trying to kidnap you with 1 punch to knockout it isn't going to happen, now if 3 or more were trying to kidnap without guns and you have no gun then yes what ever happens to you there is no chance to escape.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 06, 2007, 04:40:57 am
Yes, and if you have any scenario's that you need professional help on, you can ask here and ill help you.

:ps: yes, i know i just called myself a Pro RPer.

-Hayden
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: [R]yan on December 06, 2007, 04:41:55 am
Great guide, I do the name thing a lot its a habbit but lately I don't do it much which is good. I'm trying my best to RP well. And Its comin along great.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: BlackBird on December 06, 2007, 04:55:17 am
i agree entirely mate
this is getting out of hand, you should request a forum Mod to make this topic sticky
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 06, 2007, 05:00:49 am
Request sticky please

:ps: Info added :)

-Hayden
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Omri on December 06, 2007, 08:38:41 am
Nice Hayden :). Im sure it will help some people ;)





Omri
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 06, 2007, 08:49:47 am
Nice!
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: sRy on December 06, 2007, 08:55:34 am
Nice Mate im sure this can help a lot of player out
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Gandalf on December 06, 2007, 11:38:25 am
Some comments.

- If a player regularly meets the same character, he can recognize him. There for calling the name is not meta-gaming, it can be that the person is recognized. Same goes for people with some 'public function'.

- Use of the /ad command often leads to discussion.

/ad I am selling drugs
Cops: /suspect selling drugs

This IS good RP, because if in real life if you advertise to sell drugs you can expect the cops to pay attention.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: lionz on December 06, 2007, 11:40:47 am
Yes Gandalf, but the enforcement needs some sort of physical proof, maybe set up a drug deal going on, or spy on the dealer to see what he is really doing. Police need to get down and dirty :bow:
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Gandalf on December 06, 2007, 11:43:06 am
Yes Gandalf, but the enforcement needs some sort of physical proof, maybe set up a drug deal going on, or spy on the dealer to see what he is really doing. Police need to get down and dirty :bow:
Well put an ad in your local newspaper IRL that you sell drugs and see what happens  :devroll:
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 06, 2007, 11:44:50 am
Yes Gandalf, but the enforcement needs some sort of physical proof, maybe set up a drug deal going on, or spy on the dealer to see what he is really doing. Police need to get down and dirty :bow:

Yeah but its impossible to spy, because when they see a cop on minimap they will act like they are selling donuts or something :S

Delete the cop markers again!

or do a command like /spy and the marker dissapear and /spy again and it comes again..

Srry for a bit offtopic ;)
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Gandalf on December 06, 2007, 11:46:57 am
Yeah but its impossible to spy, because when they see a cop on minimap they will act like they are selling donuts or something :S

Delete the cop markers again!

or do a command like /spy and the marker dissapear and /spy again and it comes again..

Srry for a bit offtopic ;)
That is meta-gaming.... as if the cop is not in sight they could not spot the uniform.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on December 06, 2007, 11:59:22 am
Wel goodluck getting players here to not say yor name etc ...or to even use /p as ooc and /l as icc

And I believe it was you (rob ) who once said Argo is a FUN rp server and you like it this way btw This is the definition of metagaming

Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game.

So saying the players name isnt Metagaming , the names were left in by the devs and are thus usable also there is no rule against me saying 'hey Hayden hows it hangin' when I am rp ing a cop. So it may be Laming in a n RP enviroment but its not Metagaming
Posted on: December 06, 2007, 12:57:05 PM
About the cops I think there should be A detective class , plain clothed officers who have all cop commands but look white on the map and have civilian clothes on . this would be verry nice to have undercover cops etc .
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 06, 2007, 12:10:40 pm
That is meta-gaming.... as if the cop is not in sight they could not spot the uniform.


Yes, it is.
But don't you think they will?
As you loose 250 for getting killed and 500 for surrendering,
Yeah i know the /confess but nvm^^
Posted on: December 06, 2007, 12:09:24 PM
Wel goodluck getting players here to not say yor name etc ...or to even use /p as ooc and /l as icc

So saying the players name isnt Metagaming , the names were left in by the devs and are thus usable also there is no rule against me saying 'hey Hayden hows it hangin' when I am rp ing a cop. So it may be Laming in a n RP enviroment but its not Metagaming
Posted on: December 06, 2007, 12:57:05 PM
About the cops I think there should be A detective class , plain clothed officers who have all cop commands but look white on the map and have civilian clothes on . this would be verry nice to have undercover cops etc .

I want Argo more rp ;)
Nice idea about the undercover cops ;)
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Castor_Troy on December 06, 2007, 02:13:46 pm
I read this thread and I just want to point out one thing that many players get confused with. A suspect isn't guilty until proven guilty by terms of evidence and/or statements. Thus /suspect [id] [reason] is NOT = /guilty [id] [reason] (i know this command dont exist, just making a point). The only problem now (if they havent changed it recently) is that an officer cant unsuspect a suspect.

For an example it is RP for an officer to /suspect someone who does "/ad Im selling drugs, call me" just like Gandalf said. But then it is the reporting officers duty to check if this person really is dealing drugs because if another officer arrives at the scene first, he will assume that the suspect is guilty to the crime without further evidence.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on December 06, 2007, 02:37:35 pm
I know , wouldnt it be fun if there really was a trial for the heavy offences (like murder or large quantities of drugs) There then could be a Judge who had the /cancelsuspect and /jail command (either the prissoner is jailed for 1 to 5 mins or freed )
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Gandalf on December 06, 2007, 03:27:44 pm
And naturally the Judge would also handle cases where cops abused their rights and fine them or suspend them.
Cops would not be allowed to use weapons, unless in self defense.
And even then they would have to provide proof that they first fired a shot in to the air and gave the criminal a chance to give up before firing aimed.
After every killing of a suspect, the cop will be suspended from duty until the Judge will decide his case.

Nothing stops you guys from making trials for suspects. There even is a court interior ready for just such cases. So why does nobody use it ?
Set an example for others to show that it is fun.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: VMNT on December 06, 2007, 03:53:27 pm
And naturally the Judge would also handle cases where cops abused their rights and fine them or suspend them.
Cops would not be allowed to use weapons, unless in self defense.
And even then they would have to provide proof that they first fired a shot in to the air and gave the criminal a chance to give up before firing aimed.
After every killing of a suspect, the cop will be suspended from duty until the Judge will decide his case.

Nothing stops you guys from making trials for suspects. There even is a court interior ready for just such cases. So why does nobody use it ?
Set an example for others to show that it is fun.



I like the sound of that. But, where is the court?


(Sorry if it has been said beforehand)
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Call_me_Dad on December 06, 2007, 03:58:44 pm
Nice RP guide
worth a link in the HomePage coz it refers to all our servers
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 06, 2007, 06:18:32 pm
Yes Gandalf, i had forgotten about that(your coments) ill post them up on teh 1st post.

Iggy ~ Yes, that is one definition of Meta-Gaming.
Alot of players run by the one i used, and i mean alot. and yes, other people have their own definition on Meta-gaming, but its right there.
When have i stopped saying this is a Fun RP Server?

Also, Iggy, yo have to take into consideration, that if the name tags were removed.
i could walk up to you and say "Hey Iggy, its Ron" and you wouldent know.
Also, that would destroy any fun, but could be used for hardcore Rper's, but i woudent like it 100%

Quote
Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game.
Iggy, thats the same thing i said in my definintion.

Character not knowing me.
(( Player: Hey Hayden, im RPing a drug dealer today ))
(( Hayden: cool man :P ))
*player: hey hayden, wanna buy some weed?
*Hayden: no, go away.
(( Hayden: how do you know my name? ))
(( Player: Its hanging above your head ))


Thus Using an extrenal factor(my name above my head) to affect the game(or RP situation).

I know there is no rule for it.
but this is a RP Server, and it should be suggested more often.
cause it ruins all the RP for us all hardcore/Pro Rpers

-Hayden

Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: MrEcks on December 06, 2007, 10:41:59 pm
I love it and all, excpeilly because my name is in there, but if you really don't want cop to caught you talking of drugs then you should really use /pm. Not that it's forced, but it is a bit wiser.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 07, 2007, 12:07:51 am
but even then MrEcks. its non RP

use cellphones for stuff like that

-Hayden
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: MrEcks on December 07, 2007, 12:19:07 am
but even then MrEcks. its non RP

use cellphones for stuff like that

-Hayden

Not if your setting up the RP characters.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: RobbyMeister on December 08, 2007, 02:49:56 am
Nice guide. Hayden is a great RPer, I noticed when we had our preparation meeting today in Bayside :)
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 08, 2007, 03:36:47 am
Thank you Robbymeister :)

Yes, your's is set fairly high too, i enjoy RPing with you, cause, you take what your doing seriously.

- Ninja Gayden
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: ODSTHelljumper89 on December 08, 2007, 04:37:45 am
 I think more animations would help to display what you might feel, more like /sleep or /fuckyou to do a hand motion, or /hurt to look like you shot. I know its possible for a lot of these because I was on this other RP server and they had tons of these animations, and for some reason I never timeout and entering a building takes a couple seconds.. weird. I like the scripts and commuinty and ArgonathRPG style but we need a way to get more RP :D and yeah, I always look for the skin of the other player and look at my skin and if they match and I met them before then I should know them and I can use there name in a RP, but if I haven't met a person then I always use sir or miss, and I sometimes ask for there name if I care. If you never met the person and just plain say hey Bryant_Dax whats up, I would do this (( How you know my name, learn some RP)) its very insulting to some players and gets them to RP more.

 The other server has some good things, but its very boring and too much RP for me. I would rather have a simple scripts so I can create the RP, not have it created for me to follow all the time, for example The Godfather server failed because it was too much damn RP, it forced you to get a drivers license for 20k and to wait for hours just to get one. If cops are on you or anything and your car crash and they get close and you mange to escape in another car you get banned, this is what happened to me on lame Godfather server. So too much RP can kill a server, Argonath RP is perfect.  :D few things need to be fixed, such as the timeouts if possible and more animations would be nice for the RP. If devs would fix the Drug scripts and fix the building scripts so we enter in a few seconds it would be nice as well.

 Argonath is a nice community and nice server, that is why I have been here since March. Some players can be dicks though, some admins as well. The main Admins are great [Rstar] is a great RP clan :D. Anyways I think I am just bored and had too much coffee so I can't stop typing. :D

 Tips for RP

 1. Look at other player skin to know if you met them before and also your own.

 2. If you get in a car crash try to RP it.

 3. Get shot, try to RP it, but if in gun fight I would just continue to fire and then RP if you got shot. Like do /me screams and needs medical attention.

 4. If you do die, your charater can't remember it and always RP that you didn't die you were in the hospital, if you are in RP mode and say ah I was killed then how are you there? Are you a ghost? Lool

 5. Respect the police, help the noob cops out.

 6. Try not to always use the radar, because when I get away from cops they always find me and IDK how.

 Anyways good night :D
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 08, 2007, 05:17:48 am
Yea, recently ive been playing waith radar off, but Hell, when i was chasing you in the desert, i seen someone poke their head out over the cliff, and thats why i seen you guys, i didnt have radar on the whole time.

:ps: i like the new drug system. alot more RP can be implemented.

-Hayden
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: ODSTHelljumper89 on December 08, 2007, 07:07:21 am
 Hayden let me just say.. how can RP be put to use when no one can acquire the drugs by going to the spawns? I swear I only got the weed field to work once in the entire day of trying and the Heroin never did work..  :neutral:



 Best regards,

   Bryant Dax
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 08, 2007, 07:13:15 am
Well, today, when i did /growweed it gave me a checkpoint on LS near the hospitl and gave me 5 weed & 3 herion :\

and i was RPing a diferent version of "555 we TIP" from singleplayer in LS :P

it was a mix of that missioon where you steal the guys car from the restaraunt in LC and put a bomb in it.

but i towed it away and stashed drugs in it, and it was damn fun, for me anwyays
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: stiffler2100 on December 09, 2007, 04:03:40 am
when i pull someone over when im a cop i ask them there name and there like u dont need me to tell u. PEOPLE CANNOT ROLEPLAY THESE DAYS
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: ODSTHelljumper89 on December 09, 2007, 07:35:43 am
 Cops need to learn RP buddy, not the other way around. I was stoped today when I was paradeing around town with some DWU workers, Dave can comfirm that, well the cop pulls me over to check my rig for drugs... ffs why would he think I have drugs? He even ask me for my drivers license, wtf man? Cops need to learn respect to other players, even if you are a cop you must respect all! Not the other way, of course the cilvian needs to obey the orders of a cop, but the cop must also respect the cilvian. I said do you know who I am, I am Mr.Dax the manager of DWU. and the cop says, the dont give a shit all I want to do is check if you have drugs and to piss you off so that maybe you run and I can chase you and kill.

 same thing with Austin today, he stopped me at the fucking Solonik party and said I must pay a fine of 200 for wreakless driving and I dont have money to give around to bad RPers I am sorry.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: VMNT on December 09, 2007, 07:45:27 pm
Cops need to learn RP buddy, not the other way around. I was stoped today when I was paradeing around town with some DWU workers, Dave can comfirm that, well the cop pulls me over to check my rig for drugs... ffs why would he think I have drugs? He even ask me for my drivers license, wtf man? Cops need to learn respect to other players, even if you are a cop you must respect all! Not the other way, of course the cilvian needs to obey the orders of a cop, but the cop must also respect the cilvian. I said do you know who I am, I am Mr.Dax the manager of DWU. and the cop says, the dont give a shit all I want to do is check if you have drugs and to piss you off so that maybe you run and I can chase you and kill.

 same thing with Austin today, he stopped me at the fucking Solonik party and said I must pay a fine of 200 for wreakless driving and I dont have money to give around to bad RPers I am sorry.


If you were driving recklessly then what's the problem?
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: ODSTHelljumper89 on December 10, 2007, 06:31:58 am
 I was not, I was parking the tow truck but it was little hard getting it into position and then Austin came and said give a fine of 200, I was pissed at him so I drove off and later escaped by towing his police car :D
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Castor_Troy on December 12, 2007, 01:27:31 pm
Im so tired of cops fining everything i do.. like if i hit a building with my car and hurt myself, i have to pay the cop 200 dollars!?
U cops ever heard of giving a warning?

Also its "Protect and Serve" not "Fine and Get payed" u greedy bastards!
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 12, 2007, 04:46:22 pm
Im so tired of cops fining everything i do.. like if i hit a building with my car and hurt myself, i have to pay the cop 200 dollars!?
U cops ever heard of giving a warning?

Also its "Protect and Serve" not "Fine and Get payed" u greedy bastards!

Haha^^
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Pandalink on December 12, 2007, 11:28:05 pm
"You must pay to fix the wall!"

"Urgghh..."

"Oh.. you might want to get your Spine seen to also, your head is backwards. But first the money. Or I shoot you, k?"

Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: cDa on December 13, 2007, 12:41:31 am
I have something to add, maybe it will fit better in killzone but what the hell...

OK thing i rally hate is guys killed in middle of "RP" that just come back to scene like nothing happened....

Example, today kidnapping crimson, OK i got killed, stood away from rest of Montana's for 2 hrs, enough for them to finish that RP, i was dead couldn't help them no?

Second example , latter cop chases us ( i wont tell name, he knows who he is....), Castor dies and leaves,OK isn't in current RP story, i kill cop, a min latter oh look a suprrice! He is back, still in chase,still strong... this happened 4 times,he died 4 freekin times, he just kept coming back, and back, is that RP? if yes please show me some DM server, i wanna go there and RP typing /fish /fish /fish...
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: ODSTHelljumper89 on December 13, 2007, 02:55:29 am
 I agree.. /fish /fish /fish is more RP then a cop that comes every 2 mins to kill you..


 This server say it is RPG.. where is the level system or reward system? There is no way to get money unless other players and most don't want to give there money because of the /loan system and the coming of the Argonath Depression.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Duneseek on December 13, 2007, 03:02:36 am
Complaints about players should be sent to [email protected] lol...
As for cops rping...when asked name and stuff do it and then when the cop rps bad like tickets ya for nothing drive away :D if you don't want suspect(if you do) then try and stall a little...Lol idk,Usually ive not seen or heard of bad rping cops whenever im on and a cop watching my "nifty" lol Police radio in my hands while patrolling. :cop:

Best Regards,
[ALS]Dune
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: ODSTHelljumper89 on December 13, 2007, 03:04:52 am
 Yeah and today I was doing a RP story with Montana as I was a corrupt cop on there payroll, and Montanas were camped at the base of Mt. Chilad I arived in a heli then a cop comes to bust Montanas ( I believe it was same that kept comming)  well I started to shoot the cop, I can do that right? That is called Rping a corrupt cop, not much to do on server other thing what you want, you can't say its bad to rules to shoot another cop if you are corrupt... :sig:
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Gandalf on December 13, 2007, 05:25:09 pm
I still do not understand the use of a level system. So that you can say you are superior or have advantage over new players ? Sounds strange to me.
What we try to achieve is to make a place where players can be creative to make their own stories and ideas. Is it hard ? Well sometimes it seems like it.

Look to the Svenssons and their farm. They have made some original ideas that are good RP. Learn from them that simple ideas and the intention to have fun is better as a million scripts that give out money.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 13, 2007, 05:28:20 pm
Look to the Svenssons and their farm. They have made some original ideas that are good RP. Learn from them that simple ideas and the intention to have fun is better as a million scripts that give out money.

Svenssons pwns at RPing and i really hope more peoples will start more RP
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: RobbyMeister on December 13, 2007, 05:42:59 pm
Look to the Svenssons and their farm. They have made some original ideas that are good RP. Learn from them that simple ideas and the intention to have fun is better as a million scripts that give out money.

Yay, I'm one of them :D
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Pandalink on December 13, 2007, 06:22:18 pm
Yeah and today I was doing a RP story with Montana as I was a corrupt cop on there payroll, and Montanas were camped at the base of Mt. Chilad I arived in a heli then a cop comes to bust Montanas ( I believe it was same that kept comming)  well I started to shoot the cop, I can do that right? That is called Rping a corrupt cop, not much to do on server other thing what you want, you can't say its bad to rules to shoot another cop if you are corrupt... :sig:

You did not at any time declare that you were a Corrupt Cop, until you had killed me.

Deathmatching Cops as a Cop is not allowed, Hell.

Why did I keep coming back?
Meh, there isn't any DPD because they can't be bothered to sort it out in the ARPD. The cops refuse to leave Los Santos, for some reason.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: VMNT on December 13, 2007, 06:31:09 pm
You did not at any time declare that you were a Corrupt Cop, until you had killed me.

Deathmatching Cops as a Cop is not allowed, Hell.

Why did I keep coming back?
Meh, there isn't any DPD because they can't be bothered to sort it out in the ARPD. The cops refuse to leave Los Santos, for some reason.



That's because there is no one outside of LS.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Pandalink on December 13, 2007, 11:07:59 pm
I meant when a Suspect crosses the bridge out of LS the Cops literally trip over each other trying to  turn back. And this is not all LSPD ARPD members, by the way.  :poke:
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: VMNT on December 13, 2007, 11:31:51 pm
I meant when a Suspect crosses the bridge out of LS the Cops literally trip over each other trying to  turn back. And this is not all LSPD ARPD members, by the way.  :poke:


That's because LSPD should not cross the boarder into any other county, LSPD works in LS.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Jnn on December 13, 2007, 11:38:20 pm
All departments have their own area of working. LSPD members can enter DPD area only if they are allowed by DPD chief.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Pandalink on December 13, 2007, 11:52:09 pm
They were not LSPD Officers, they were Free Cops. Also, there is no DPD Chief. Therefore permission is automatically granted..
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Jnn on December 14, 2007, 12:52:41 am
Therefore LSPD chief may grant the permission, if it's really needed, you mean. :)

And maybe they don't feel like going out of LS, maybe they love LS too much to leave it. :razz:
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 23, 2007, 12:48:14 am
ARPD should be Pro RP cops right?

Why did they then, suspect for ramming, then drivebying with tec9 until the victims car explodes.
Then they suspect the passenger that just sat in the car for Aiding a Suspect.
Then they killed the passenger without asking surrender, because he did selfdefence against a cop that smacked him in the face.
The passenger lost 500$, and they killed the driver that had surrendered. Driver lost 500$ too, ( i think )

They didnt tell us to stop or pullover, they had sirens on, but how should the passenger and the driver know that they wanted them to stop and pullover, reading the "You are suspected (reason) by Officer (Name) is Metagaming





Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 23, 2007, 12:52:25 am
Yep... Welcome to my world knoot....

Another thing, when a cop has siren's on, you should always pull over and pray that the guy is a roleplayer, if he isnt, haul ass and goto an admin.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 23, 2007, 12:58:34 am
Yep... Welcome to my world knoot....

Another thing, when a cop has siren's on, you should always pull over and pray that the guy is a roleplayer, if he isnt, haul ass and goto an admin.

They all were admins...
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 23, 2007, 01:06:06 am
Yep, i have had the same expeirence with admin ARPD's.
The exact same experience./me looks at Lionz...

Anyways, Gandalf made a Complaint topic, you should use that.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Knoothead on December 23, 2007, 01:11:24 am
Yep, i have had the same expeirence with admin ARPD's.
The exact same experience./me looks at Lionz...

Anyways, Gandalf made a Complaint topic, you should use that.

K, Well it wasnt made as complaint, but when i read it. it really sounds like one ;)

I posted it on Gandalf's topic
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Jaaskaa on December 23, 2007, 06:10:55 am
Hum actualy Gandalf I really enjoyed ur post about the idea of a complex system of the cop shooting and having to prove that his life was endengered and so on ... This is complex. But as you know, it is difficult to have the court. It would require judges almost 24/7 ...

And yeah, the other day we wanted to rp a story about a murder attempt and so on. First difficulty, the guy who is the ''suspect'' keep roaming around, in a heli, he come flying over us. Then, there's a nowhere dude who come running around while we interrogate the victim and he start punching us. Like ... what the hell ... I never saw someone crazy enough to drive on a highway, come beside 4 cops, start punching thems and run around. We all make sometimes rp mistakes, but common ! That is so pathetic. And yeah, some people do some rp like the dude we were interrogating, he was hurt and mad because he lost money but he kept roleplaying great !

Then, I ask for a court warrant, to bring the suspect in court to open a trial and maybe make him accused. No judge online... So no warrant can be issued, we can't roleplay the court in this case ? Well maybe that some player could have proposed himself, I don't know. So I need to keep following the guy to make sure he don't make anything illequal ... Then, he just go around like a crazy on a motorcycle doing crazy stunts and all ... We see him making drug deals, he even admit it and then say we have no proof ... THAT'S TRUE ! I can't take picture if the guy isn't doing an animation of dealing, or it's powergaming so I can't suspect him ... Still ... I try and try to get a warrant ... No judge ... I left after two hours ...

Morale of this long and uneseful story :
1- Sometimes, even tho it's frustrating, cops, please, roleplay and take evidences in consideration
2- We definitely need an animation for the dealing so we can take ''pictures'' (screens) and an action were we can frisk people to know what is in inventory ... (I know it will be abused tho .... But maybe it could help to reduce level of tiredness of people who come around, don't do anything bad and then get suspected of drug possession ... ) .. and we do need both, because if they do sell donuts, and that you suspect them for dealing ... you look stupid ... if they do really make drug deals, at least, with a frisk action, you will know that you were right or wrong. And if you were right, you can then suspect...
3- /ad is not for illegal stuff, no newspapers will accept to publish a ad where you say that you sell weed ... And if you still manage to do it (and don't live in Amsterdam (I don't even think it's legal to announce it there tho)) well, the cops should have a serious doubt about it, that is so true... But they have no evidence. And that can be a bit frustrating but see point 1 ...
4- An /undercover action would be more than welcome for cops who are member of ARPD
5- There is absolutely no reason to shoot at an unarmed suspect
6- Please, if you get disconnected as a suspect and that you reconnect and wanna keep a decent rp level ... Ask for being re suspected again
7- Stop saying : I will report you ... When ur not even wanted but that ur doing illegal stuffs and that a cop is watching you because he have a wise doubt out of it and that you're not even supposed to see that cop because he is far away from you.
8- Officers, when you see someone wanted, please, check the reason before drawing out your pistols ... I mean, I saw a guy wanted for speeding ... 3 cops came, never asked for pullover, shot the guy down, then, went after him again for evading cops ... poor guy ...

In conclusion, yes people can complain about cops works, some of them don't rp, but some other try to and don't have the tools to make it nice rp...

P.S. sorry for the lenght, but alot of facts had to be shown, and thanks Gandalf for bringing some interesting comments in this, because at some point, you just show that we can't rp like it was 100% real life, but also that the cops should have more tools and those damn tools wouldn't give them money but help them to make a better job and make a better rp possible, so that players with imagination wouldn't be scared of being wrongly suspected and jailed for no reason. And yes I know that I don't rp at 100% but I haven't been there for a while and need to get back into it...
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 03, 2008, 08:11:53 am
Bump it for all you new and regulars alike....
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 03, 2008, 08:30:54 am
Aragorn issued a roleplay guide that I would suggest anyone to have a look at while the subject is back up.

The link is here, we won't tell it often enough, learn to act like real life a bit ... So yeah here's the link

http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=10980.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=10980.0)
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: PMP on January 04, 2008, 02:23:56 am
Is it Meta gaming if I use the others player name in the /me command?
e.g. *PiMP steals Hayden's car or*PiMP kidnaps hayden
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 04, 2008, 04:12:24 am
Actualy it is metagaming if you force him to join your roleplay. If it is already planned, then, no.

About the kidnap, if you want to make it look like more realistic :
 /me grab **/me throw ** in the car
/me tie him

Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 04, 2008, 09:21:48 am
no PMP its not.

Jasskaa, forcing someone into RP is Powergaming.

And look, if there is a group of people around, would i do /me grabs **

they would think i grabed them all -_-
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: PMP on January 04, 2008, 10:41:15 pm
no PMP its not.

Jasskaa, forcing someone into RP is Powergaming.

And look, if there is a group of people around, would i do /me grabs **

they would think i grabed them all -_-
Is it powergaming if it's scripted or part of the game? example, VC:MP where you cannot leave car when it is moving.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 05, 2008, 05:04:27 am
No, thats just the game.
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 06, 2008, 07:14:04 pm
Yes sorry powergaming ...

Actualy, Rob ** was to replace the name of the person, I didn't felt for writing /me grab victim, /me throw victim in the car and son so I used ** ...
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: tiderman on January 06, 2008, 07:47:28 pm
Very good hayden :) shud almost be a sticky
Title: Re: A shove in the right direction of Roleplaying correctly.
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 08, 2008, 05:38:40 pm
Thank you :D

I wish it did :D
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