Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: TinMan on July 14, 2014, 09:14:22 am
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Howdy!
:gand: :gand: :gand: I am TinMan a veteran of the Argonath RPG community since August 1st 2009. Rs5 has really been hard to get addicted and involved in as the commands and gameplay is very complex. Simplicity one was on the reasons why I played Argonath. I think when I first started it took me like a day to figure everything out. With Rs5 it has been a few weeks of playing and I have no idea how the game even works. It is almost impossible to make money. The economy still runs on drugs but it just takes too freaking long to make money and that is where players are getting discouraged and bored of the game very rapidly. Growing weed and harvesting weed use to be simple but now you have to find a spot which may take several hours to find one. The old system was the best. In addition if I were to sell my drugs I would have to find a player with money and that is kind of hard these days especially with the new wallet system where I think it is kind of messed up. Whatever happened to the /send, /wire, bank that was simple enough. Now I have several commands to go through before I can transfer money it is ridiculous enough. The solution is make everything simple and make money accessible remember it is just a game nobody wants to spend hours upon hours figuring everything out. There are a few features I do like and that is the police test before you become a cop especially the driving portion where they make you use the correct ramp. I was hoping the mdc would had been completed and updated it is kinda useless right now. The fireman script blows because it does not alert fireman that there is a firemission. Since when do firemen have to go inside a fire department to check a pager? Usually pagers are on them 24/7. I do like the ladder script that is pretty cool. I think the fireman script should at least alert the fireman that there is a fire. Another thing about Rs5 is there is no pay n spray you have to find a mechanic online and sometimes there are not any. The pay n spray was way better and I understand they want mechanics for better roleplay but trust me it has not help roleplay one bit. It is just one extra thing to annoy me with. I do like the gas script a lot better in RS5. At least now you have to turn off the engine to refill a vehicle. However refilling a helicopter it very outrageous. Since when in real life do helicopters have to land on top of a gas station to refill, another ridiculous thing. To be honest I was pumped up for RS5 believing change would be better for the whole community but really 3/4ths of the community has left as if they probably will agree with me on everything I have said. Honestly I do miss RS4. If you had Argonath RS4 and Argonath RS5 both online at the same time people would go back to RS4 server and play there. Instead just call the other RS4 RS6 so players can be tricked on how amazing RS4 really was but I don't think it would be necessary. I have no idea who I am directing this post towards but who ever made RS5 will probably get offended but this is constructive criticism and hopefully whoever this is can understand where I am coming from. I know my post won't do anything but probably get me banned for posting my beliefs and posting the truth about it. I am sure most players would have to agree with me on everything I said. I wish Argonath RPG was just left alone to RS4 but I know there is no going back. It has already been messed up. I don't even know if there is even a turning back or not. The community has mostly left the server in disappointment believing RS5 would be the best update because that is how it was advertised through the whole community. Therefore since Argonath RPG is stuck with RS5 I will probably say I am man enough to leave and there will be no mulholland intersection patrol. Everyone can now use the wrong ramp. ///End of message/// :gand: :gand: :gand:
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Words of wisdom.
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I don't really see the issue, I agree that RS4 has features that are good. So does RS5. But as you are saying yourself, you are playing a game to have fun. You hang around with friends and I actually have fun in RS5. You can't blame the script, but only blame yourself for the lack of activity.
As for the money part. I get enough money while just doing cop work. I don't see a reason to pump money in the server. People in RS4 were moaning there was too much money, now people are moaning theres not enough money.
The drug script is not supposed to be easy, it should require skill to earn money, not just get in an Infernus and drive around visiting all the same weed spots in and out. Now you actually have to find the active ones and make sure other players don't.
But ye, its your choice if you enjoy it or not.
If you are planning to leave, I wish you good luck in the future and you had a good run mate.
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The problem is not in the unfinished script, the problem is in the wrong decisions made, that makes the gaming even less fun and more annoying then it is cause of all the bugs.-That's the reason most of the people left.
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The only thing I hate is the bugs, everything else about RS5 is fine.I learned RS5 like in a week.But I'm sure there's some stuff that is still to be learned.Scripters are working as fast as they can.
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RS5 falling a part ...
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RS5 falling a part ...
No?
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The bonus system for mechanics and drivers is kinda good. You can get 4k every day by that.
I agree that /wire and /send was better.
The biggest fail to me is that there are no events happening, almost completly dead on that front. No Lottos. Things that many people would attend to. I remember in RS4 how fun it was to participate in those kind of things. But this is a result of the leaders of Argonath don't want to help get the economic rolling. I mean, some 10k events every week could have been sponsored by the server.
And I were hoping for all these reported bugs to be fixed long time ago.
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The bonus system for mechanics and drivers is kinda good. You can get 4k every day by that.
I agree that /wire and /send was better.
The biggest fail to me is that there are no events happening, almost completly dead on that front. No Lottos. Things that many people would attend to. I remember in RS4 how fun it was to participate in those kind of things. But this is a result of the leaders of Argonath don't want to help get the economic rolling. I mean, some 10k events every week could have been sponsored by the server.
And I were hoping for all these reported bugs to be fixed long time ago.
What he said.
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The bonus system for mechanics and drivers is kinda good. You can get 4k every day by that.
I agree that /wire and /send was better.
The biggest fail to me is that there are no events happening, almost completly dead on that front. No Lottos. Things that many people would attend to. I remember in RS4 how fun it was to participate in those kind of things. But this is a result of the leaders of Argonath don't want to help get the economic rolling. I mean, some 10k events every week could have been sponsored by the server.
And I were hoping for all these reported bugs to be fixed long time ago.
Why aren't you server Manager yet?
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The same moaning all over again. Stop looking for excuses to bash on RS5 just because you lost your weed-money you had in RS4 (not aiming this at TinMan specifically, but pretty much at everyone who's shitting on RS5). I can't believe you people, I really freaking can't. Everyone waited for RS5 for... wait.. how long even was it? 5 years? Everyone was like "SCREW RS4 AND IT'S BUGGY, UNSTABLE AND BORING SCRIPTS, OMG CONROY SHEEP PLZ GIMME RS5 ASAP". And then when RS5 came, everyone just started shitting, and at the end, left. Do you even realise how these scripters who worked on the game mode for five years must feel? By leaving RS5 you're just making damage to the community and show how much of a selfish ass you are. Don't you get it, people? YOUR ACTIVITY is required so RS5 can get fixed. Only our support and encouragement can encourage the scripters to fix all these problems as soon as possible, even though there arent that many. I believe that the current situation of RS5 might as well be influenced by pretty much being abandoned by Gandalf and Aragorn, since these people don't even show up on the forums anymore, but we're the only one who can save the SA:MP Argonath RPG, and we better start doing so by playing and helping the scripters, not being fucking assholes and discouraging them to even work on it any further.
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The same moaning all over again. Stop looking for excuses to bash on RS5 just because you lost your weed-money you had in RS4 (not aiming this at TinMan specifically, but pretty much at everyone who's shitting on RS5). I can't believe you people, I really freaking can't. Everyone waited for RS5 for... wait.. how long even was it? 5 years? Everyone was like "SCREW RS4 AND IT'S BUGGY, UNSTABLE AND BORING SCRIPTS, OMG CONROY SHEEP PLZ GIMME RS5 ASAP". And then when RS5 came, everyone just started shitting, and at the end, left. Do you even realise how these scripters who worked on the game mode for five years must feel? By leaving RS5 you're just making damage to the community and show how much of a selfish ass you are. Don't you get it, people? YOUR ACTIVITY is required so RS5 can get fixed. Only our support and encouragement can encourage the scripters to fix all these problems as soon as possible, even though there arent that many. I believe that the current situation of RS5 might as well be influenced by pretty much being abandoned by Gandalf and Aragorn, since these people don't even show up on the forums anymore, but we're the only one who can save the SA:MP Argonath RPG, and we better start doing so by playing and helping the scripters, not being f**king assholes and discouraging them to even work on it any further.
The same moaning guy all over again who thinks we are still talking about money. Ugh, WHEN WILL YOU LEARN. WE DONT like the GAMEPLAY. Nobody gives a flying f**k about money, they want the ECONOMY fixed not the money if they wanted money they would spam fireman and get 100k a week like everybody else on the server atm. Server has 38/200 players on atm. Too much if you ask me for a server that is 30% done, but even I go online. The scripters should be happy with 38/200 just saying, they shouldn't be asking for more players.(Not saying the scripters aren't happy) And sure we need to put some encouragement in it but we won't be doing it for months. We want change and now. We've been promised alot but it always gets stalled. Even the air of RS5 was stalled. I think everybody is done with waiting and is ready to play the game they are used to it. So if people leave it won't be a shocker to me.
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The same moaning guy all over again who thinks we are still talking about money. Ugh, WHEN WILL YOU LEARN. WE DONT like the GAMEPLAY. Nobody gives a flying f**k about money, they want the ECONOMY fixed not the money if they wanted money they would spam fireman and get 100k a week like everybody else on the server atm. Server has 38/200 players on atm. Too much if you ask me for a server that is 30% done, but even I go online. The scripters should be happy with 38/200 just saying, they shouldn't be asking for more players.(Not saying the scripters aren't happy) And sure we need to put some encouragement in it but we won't be doing it for months. We want change and now. We've been promised alot but it always gets stalled. Even the air of RS5 was stalled. I think everybody is done with waiting and is ready to play the game they are used to it. So if people leave it won't be a shocker to me.
Everyone who's leaving when Argonath is having a difficult time is simply being a selfish ass and just shows how loyal he/she was to the community, and I'd be very happy if once and when the server will shine again, and I trust it will, these people wouldn't be welcome anymore.. Especially the kind of you, with all the talk and no walk, where the only thing you do is cry how shit the gamemode is but do nothing, as a player , to contribute to it's repairs.
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No, the problem is that there's lack of Veterans which kept the server alive. Without them, there's no roleplay.
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Everyone who's leaving when Argonath is having a difficult time is simply being a selfish ass and just shows how loyal he/she was to the community, and I'd be very happy if once and when the server will shine again, and I trust it will, these people wouldn't be welcome anymore.. Especially the kind of you, with all the talk and no walk, where the only thing you do is cry how shit the gamemode is but do nothing, as a player , to contribute to it's repairs.
Bullshit. Even you were spamming the forum with criticism against developers and their work.
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Especially the kind of you, with all the talk and no walk, where the only thing you do is cry how shit the gamemode is but do nothing, as a player , to contribute to it's repairs.
Funny that you say that, when I am almost online everyday. People are contributing but we aren't getting anything back or atleast it's taking too long and ofcourse scripters have lives but doesn't that mean you don't fit the job because of real life issues? Also you are just blaming people you don't even know who contribute, you think he moans, he doesnt help and does not play and blablabla. Well I am a player that contributes with activity and doesn't like it one bit. We want change, now.
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Funny that you say that, when I am almost online everyday. People are contributing but we aren't getting anything back or atleast it's taking too long and ofcourse scripters have lives but doesn't that mean you don't fit the job because of real life issues? Also you are just blaming people you don't even know who contribute, you think he moans, he doesnt help and does not play and blablabla. Well I am a player that contributes with activity and doesn't like it one bit. We want change, now.
I'm not trying to prove that you're not online every day, what I'm saying is your shitting is not giving any encouragement. Instead of posting all that bullshit against RS5, you could have went to the ideas section and thought of something useful.
Bullshit. Even you were spamming the forum with criticism against developers and their work.
Incorrect. I was not criticising the developers work, I was criticizing the server's management's refusal to listen to what players have to say, to which they do now, once they saw how serious the situation really is. I'd also google the definition of spam if I were you. Accusing one of spam out of blue could be taken as an insult, ya' know.
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RS5 falling a part ...
Maybe because people like you keep saying it is. Instead of constantly complaining about every single thing that you don't like, suggest new ideas or try to improve things. Guide new players instead of robbing and killing them.
Want a better future? Start looking at yourselves.
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RS5 falling a part ...
It's not failing apart it's lacking bug fixes that are needed in the places that really need fixed.
The biggest fail to me is that there are no events happening, almost completly dead on that front. No Lottos. Things that many people would attend to. I remember in RS4 how fun it was to participate in those kind of things. But this is a result of the leaders of Argonath don't want to help get the economic rolling. I mean, some 10k events every week could have been sponsored by the server.
We've had players come to us for funding for various projects, some not so good some that we support. A more recent request was from Ramo to get the Destruction Derby again. If he keeps his activity up we'll review funding for the event. It's not that we DON'T want to get it rolling it's that we can't just spawn in money like RS4 and start holding events. We are VERY open to players requesting funding, a well laid out plan can be forwarded to any HQ member.
Lotto's were a massive thing, missed by everyone I hoped it would be back as-well as it was the thing most people looked forward to in times of lack of funds. Argonath's birthday is closing in two weeks today to be exact, I do plan on holding events then prizes that will interest pretty much everyone. (if rest of HQ agrees lol)
We're supposed to be a community and at times it doesn't feel like it, it's like we're split down the middle. Argonath has had to much bad this year as it is, don't need to pile more on support the community you first arrived to even if it isn't like it was.
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We're listening. Proposed ideas have been reviewed; some continue to do so. The scripts aren't the only thing that require changing; the general mentality needs to change from the players.
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That is great that the administration is wanting to make changes but I am going to use this expression of....are we actually putting money where our mouth is? You can say all the great things you want but is it actually going to get done and happen. I remember back in 2009 when RS3 running and I could say that the server was hard to play due to lag. However a year later or so RS4 was not all the great at first either but when when samp updated from 0.2 to 0.3c or so it was a lot better. Everything was more synchronized. I am not an expert on all this stuff but I believe that RS5 is currently laggy due to the server running a lot more scripts than never before. RS4 actually worked because the community made it work. It was actually one of the best systems than any other roleplay server has. I mean it was unique. Anyway maybe re fixing everything and reducing the amount of scripts and getting the economy will help get Argonath RPG back on its feet. So we can all enjoy an enjoyable game.
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For me Rs5 has been great so far but developers of any game work on it to make user friendly and easy for players to play. For me personally having a RP character as a cop, the jurisdiction thing is ridiculous. I would understand if we had like 100+ players but we're on 30-45 average. It is really annoying and can take up to 15 minutes just to get on cop duty with the right jurisdiction which is LS. The choice of teleporting helped a little but it is still VERY frustrating and annoying to have to wait all the time and re-duty like a million times. Either jurisdiction should be removed or we should get a choice on which one we want.
I don't think there is anyone on the server who RPs as a cop likes the jurisdiction system.
I also agree with too many commands. It is too complex and again just frustrating. I think nearly everything in RS4 was straight forward, I would like that to be the case in RS5 too.
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For me Rs5 has been great so far but developers of any game work on it to make user friendly and easy for players to play. For me personally having a RP character as a cop, the jurisdiction thing is ridiculous. I would understand if we had like 100+ players but we're on 30-45 average. It is really annoying and can take up to 15 minutes just to get on cop duty with the right jurisdiction which is LS. The choice of teleporting helped a little but it is still VERY frustrating and annoying to have to wait all the time and re-duty like a million times. Either jurisdiction should be removed or we should get a choice on which one we want.
I don't think there is anyone on the server who RPs as a cop likes the jurisdiction system.
I also agree with too many commands. It is too complex and again just frustrating. I think nearly everything in RS4 was straight forward, I would like that to be the case in RS5 too.
I totally agree 100% that the jurisdiction must go, but if there is one thing that I disagree on is the removing of the commands I think that it is perfect the waay it is and I think it could have been much harder to use but they actually made it user-friendly to need users and easier to input.
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I totally agree 100% that the jurisdiction must go, but if there is one thing that I disagree on is the removing of the commands I think that it is perfect the waay it is and I think it could have been much harder to use but they actually made it user-friendly to need users and easier to input.
Well the commands issue is arguable but I don't understand why the jurisdiction system is here still here. It has been opposed from day 1.
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That is great that the administration is wanting to make changes but I am going to use this expression of....are we actually putting money where our mouth is? You can say all the great things you want but is it actually going to get done and happen. I remember back in 2009 when RS3 running and I could say that the server was hard to play due to lag. However a year later or so RS4 was not all the great at first either but when when samp updated from 0.2 to 0.3c or so it was a lot better. Everything was more synchronized. I am not an expert on all this stuff but I believe that RS5 is currently laggy due to the server running a lot more scripts than never before. RS4 actually worked because the community made it work. It was actually one of the best systems than any other roleplay server has. I mean it was unique. Anyway maybe re fixing everything and reducing the amount of scripts and getting the economy will help get Argonath RPG back on its feet. So we can all enjoy an enjoyable game.
Performance wise; once RS5 is fully patched up it will perform 2 to 3 times better than RS4. We are use more efficient data storage methods and have drastically reduced the dependencies on timers which are very well know for their significant contributions to lag. I can list a handful of posts; including updates done by myself today where the changes made were a direct result of listening to a majority of the community.
Like you said.. the community made RS4 work. The community, including us, the developers, the admins, etc, can make RS5 work. You need to be willing to work with us and come forward to the table with a very detailed overview like you have. In the beginning some here came off with "RS5 sucks" and nothing more.. what do we have to work with here? Then shortly after we got "this could be better", "we think it should be this way", "what about changing this to this because of this". Those are the type of statements that get positive discussion going. We, or at least I, tone out negative bulshit so if that seems to be the general idea of the post I will skip it and any good points that may be in it.
The point is here: RS5 will perform better once we get the bugs fixed. We are humans however, at least, most of us are, Gimli might be from another planet.. strongly debatable.. point is we have real lives outside and as much as I'd love to I, and I know the others are the same as well; simply cannot dedicate 110% to scripting.
We will get the bugs fixed. We will listen to your ideas. However, listen does not mean they will get done... but we will read them and we will think themover. We make RS5 for you, and us, the community. It should be the community ideas at the foundation as most of it already is. But as we've found out not everything went as smoothly as we had visioned.
Bare with us. We will get through this as a community.
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I don't get a point of realistic economy, game is meant to be game, a place where you have fun and enjoy being.
What's the point of realistic circulating economy? what are it's positives? I think most of the players agree with RS5's efficient coding, but we agree with RS4's style of simpleness.
Players with worse knowledge of english won't be able to understand all of the systems as cards, wallets, wallet money, bank money, group money, hand money, ATM money...
The latest update where /send /withdraw, /deposit and wallet money was removed is amazing, still the lottery should be brought back, if you aim for realistic economy as it is in real life, then there's lottery also in real life. It would keep circulating from state to the one who won it and the one who won it would be buying things, which keeps it circulating as you imagined (if you imagined it so).
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A lottery is something I can produce; but it would be based on an actual lottery system as in the "jackpot" isn't defined by a manager but rather the ticket purchases. If nobody wins the roll then the current jackpot is added to the next and so on and so forth. The price will go down for the price of tickets; but the chances of winning will go down. We will increase the number from 1 to 100; up to from 1 to 1000.
I'll speak to HQ about this and get their approval before going forward.
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It would be cool if you could held local lotteries in like, casinos.
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we're the only one who can save the SA:MP Argonath RPG, and we better start doing so by playing and helping the scripters, not being f**king assholes and discouraging them to even work on it any further.
Agreed, but..
I believe that the current situation of RS5 might as well be influenced by pretty much being abandoned by Gandalf and Aragorn, since these people don't even show up on the forums anymore
Never, ever spread words saying that RON & Ronnel has abandoned us. If that was the case, Argonath RPG as a whole would cease to exist, but didn't. Everybody here seems to forget that there's the real world we have to deal with, not just Argonath. I honestly don't want players new and old to start bashing on them for not being around, it's rude and disgusting.
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I still think we are lacking what is not meant to be scripted.
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The new updated version of the money system is a big step in the right direction.
Just curious, when you say that you just can't spawn money like in RS4, do you mean it's technically impossible, or do you mean that the leaders has decided to not spawn money?
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The new updated version of the money system is a big step in the right direction.
Just curious, when you say that you just can't spawn money like in RS4, do you mean it's technically impossible, or do you mean that the leaders has decided to not spawn money?
There is virtually no command ingame to spawn money.
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There is virtually no command ingame to spawn money.
It doesnt make any sense , i'v seen paydays these cash came from ?
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There is virtually no command ingame to spawn money.
Maybe that is something to work on then.
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I know I am banned, and have been banned since the day RS5 was released, but I've popped in every now and then :jackson:
What people miss on the server is freedom, the simple thing such as they Pay N spray. Just small details like that make people get tired of a game. And of course, loads of people left because they lost what they worked for over many years. What made Argonath special was all the freedom we had, most people had loads of money, and money made even more RP. Remember the times where casinos where the big thing? I had 10 people standing in the queue to play BJ for hours. The easiest way to get people back, would be going back to RS4 and old accounts etc. But of course, I understand you don't want to do that at all after all the work by the scripters.
But tbh, if you want active players, a better community and more RP in the server, RS4 is the way to go. Take what people like from RS5 and put it into RS4, remove everything people dislike. Give people more opportunities, help out new mafias, gangs and maybe even give them a little bonus for their hard work. Give them a nice big HQ they can have, a few cars. Thats whats gonna bring back active players. And not only for "criminals", bring back groups for cops aswell, give them a little something aswell. A few buffalos/their own colored PD cars that only they can use would make people happy.
This makes me think about the old days with SRU, Corleone, Gvardia and Ancelotti. Only those four groups made the server have at least 40 active players.
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Do not continue on the bring back RS4 stuff again; we got over the lump of stuff ages ago.
Posts including it will be removed.
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Maybe that is something to work on then.
It was purposely left out. The inflated economy seen in RS4 was caused by money constantly being created and leaving into a black hole. We have been able to create a server where this is minimized (obviously it has to be to some degree). There is no way to spawn money; there never will be.
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It doesnt make any sense , i'v seen paydays these cash came from ?
It came from players who were already wealthy in RS5, like when he did a 7k payday, but of course he contacted an admin to do it for him since obviously he can't do it himself.
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in RS5, the money comes out of state funds.
If you buy a hamburger, car, plane, house, Little of the money goes to the state, as far as I know.
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in RS5, the money comes out of state funds.
If you buy a hamburger, car, plane, house, Little of the money goes to the state, as far as I know.
This is correct. Money always stays in circulation.
Once businesses are fully working; tax will goto the state and the rest to the business owner.
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The same moaning all over again. Stop looking for excuses to bash on RS5 just because you lost your weed-money you had in RS4 (not aiming this at TinMan specifically, but pretty much at everyone who's shitting on RS5). I can't believe you people, I really freaking can't. Everyone waited for RS5 for... wait.. how long even was it? 5 years? Everyone was like "SCREW RS4 AND IT'S BUGGY, UNSTABLE AND BORING SCRIPTS, OMG CONROY SHEEP PLZ GIMME RS5 ASAP". And then when RS5 came, everyone just started shitting, and at the end, left. Do you even realise how these scripters who worked on the game mode for five years must feel? By leaving RS5 you're just making damage to the community and show how much of a selfish ass you are. Don't you get it, people? YOUR ACTIVITY is required so RS5 can get fixed. Only our support and encouragement can encourage the scripters to fix all these problems as soon as possible, even though there arent that many. I believe that the current situation of RS5 might as well be influenced by pretty much being abandoned by Gandalf and Aragorn, since these people don't even show up on the forums anymore, but we're the only one who can save the SA:MP Argonath RPG, and we better start doing so by playing and helping the scripters, not being f**king assholes and discouraging them to even work on it any further.
We have not abandoned ship, do not get your hopes up.
What people should understand is that everything, including SA:MP has a life span.
Perhaps we did not introduce RS5 the right way, as the largest issue was a loss of accounts that simply could not be fixed.
RS4 or RS5 does not matter, as actually RS5 should have more money to make if people would not be lazy to make it.
And yes, its hard to make money. That is why people cared when they lost it.
But just wait until you find out what we are working one... and it has nothing to do with a new RS version :D
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illuminati I tell you. :janek:
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We have not abandoned ship, do not get your hopes up.
What people should understand is that everything, including SA:MP has a life span.
Perhaps we did not introduce RS5 the right way, as the largest issue was a loss of accounts that simply could not be fixed.
RS4 or RS5 does not matter, as actually RS5 should have more money to make if people would not be lazy to make it.
And yes, its hard to make money. That is why people cared when they lost it.
But just wait until you find out what we are working one... and it has nothing to do with a new RS version :D
The fact is, people do not involve the roleplay part whilst they try to make some cash. Actually, that's a problem which you should mostly focus on because the roleplay level started decreasing a lot. I don't think your Veterans left because they lost their virtual cash.
However, if you ever try to grow up as a community start by communicating with your players before you decide to do shit.
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We have not abandoned ship, do not get your hopes up.
What people should understand is that everything, including SA:MP has a life span.
Perhaps we did not introduce RS5 the right way, as the largest issue was a loss of accounts that simply could not be fixed.
RS4 or RS5 does not matter, as actually RS5 should have more money to make if people would not be lazy to make it.
And yes, its hard to make money. That is why people cared when they lost it.
But just wait until you find out what we are working one... and it has nothing to do with a new RS version :D
Just for curiosity,
RS5 has been a huge change and the Scripts got a lot more complex, in RS4 everything was simple, maybe is there a way of making it easier?
Also "But just wait until you find out what we are working one... and it has nothing to do with a new RS version :D" Does this mean that there will be a RS5.1 or something ?
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It came from players who were already wealthy in RS5, like when he did a 7k payday, but of course he contacted an admin to do it for him since obviously he can't do it himself.
I believe there is a command to do this yourself, minimum is 1k, the command I forgot :D
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/sponsor
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I believe there is a command to do this yourself, minimum is 1k, the command I forgot :D
SA:MP Admin
*****
lol
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SA:MP Admin
*****
lol
You think admins know every single command? Hell I'm a scripter and I don't even know every single possible command. lol
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It doesnt make any sense , i'v seen paydays these cash came from ?
ArgoBank fees.
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Correct, people don't care for roleplay as much, and it's not up to scripters to fix that.
It's the people, 21th century and the evilness.
When in vehicle, there is that specific group of people who purposely go as near to you as possible just to attempt lag ram, and they just move away like nothing happened, if rammed or not.
That's so freaking annoying, ignorant and stubborn.
Then there are firemen, mostly people who are in mafias (I won't name) who respond to fire scene with personal vehicles, shamals, dodos and whatnot, ramming everyone and everything on their way, like, who cares about sirens, roleplay and that, it's free money!
Then there are mechanics, ramming people purposely to make someone /acceptrepair, racing you just to do /S REPAIR!?!? and blocking roads generally just to ask question like "REPAIR?!"
Then medics, oh wait, no, nobody is on medic duty because it doesn't give free money.
People generally refuse to roleplay properly, everything is about money and money only. Specially the ones that play RS5 just to troll and act like 5year old, just killing for no reason, provoking and complaining.
There are no more than bunch of players who will actually roleplay properly and seriously.
When I try to roleplay, people either drive away just to get suspected (as I'm on police duty 24/7) or just start insulting and provoking for no reason "FUCK U ABUSER *drives away*", specially the ones as soon as you drive to them in blue name and they're lie "WHUT DID I DO!?" and I didn't even say a word.
Simply, it's the people to blame, not the scripters.
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You all talking BULL. If your problem is that you can't understand the new script, start using your brain or gtfo. It's not that hard, really. I learned all kind of commands / scripts in my first week.
And whoever says ''people don't care for roleplay'' can go and, no, I won't say it because I'll get a forum warning. Anyway, don't start with that shit again. There are many active groups. You have Corleone, Gvardia, Soprano, ballas walking around Idlewood and a few other groups that I can't name right now.
Just go in game and have fun. That's what you're supposed to do.
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When in vehicle, there is that specific group of people who purposely go as near to you as possible just to attempt lag ram, and they just move away like nothing happened, if rammed or not.
:jackson:
Then there are firemen, mostly people who are in mafias (I won't name) who respond to fire scene with personal vehicles, shamals, dodos and whatnot, ramming everyone and everything on their way, like, who cares about sirens, roleplay and that, it's free money!
I've seen a few roleplays albeit not the complex ones you're vying for. You're basically asking people to roleplay things that don't need to be roleplayed. Why would anyone need to do "/me gracefully extends his hand to the fire extinguisher's nozzle to release sodium bicarbonate." when you can just fire the damn thing?
Then there are mechanics, ramming people purposely to make someone /acceptrepair, racing you just to do /S REPAIR!?!? and blocking roads generally just to ask question like "REPAIR?!"
This will never change. Not everyone knows how to roleplay in a way that you would find acceptable. If it's a new player, you should teach them if they're causing you such distress. If it's somebody who you know is a veteran, simply don't roleplay with them. You have the right to refuse roleplay in these situations if I'm correct. If they don't leave you alone, go ahead and report them.
Then medics, oh wait, no, nobody is on medic duty because it doesn't give free money.
I caused two policemen to go on medic duty to roleplay and we all got into a pretty nifty scenario. If you want to see people on medic duties, create the scenarios.
People generally refuse to roleplay properly, everything is about money and money only. Specially the ones that play RS5 just to troll and act like 5 year old, just killing for no reason, provoking and complaining.
/report is there for a reason. That is all.
There are no more than bunch of players who will actually roleplay properly and seriously.
When I try to roleplay, people either drive away just to get suspected (as I'm on police duty 24/7) or just start insulting and provoking for no reason "FUCK U ABUSER *drives away*", specially the ones as soon as you drive to them in blue name and they're lie "WHUT DID I DO!?" and I didn't even say a word.
Nobody wants to roleplay the same old "ser pls. u were speeding. pay ticket pls" scenario for the 50th time. Coming up with creative ways to roleplay and I'm sure they'll play along. Not everyone takes this game as seriously as you might.
Simply, it's the people to blame, not the scripters.
Agree. I mean, I want to say it's both but the same thing happened when RS4 was released. It has just been released. There are good ideas and bad ones. Reading back on this, I notice that I worded it in a not so nice way. Apologies for that.
To others:
Telling scripters to fix vague things isn't going to help. They can't script people to roleplay more. If you want to blame the scripts, go ahead. All I know is that I started in this community with the simple /me command on MTA:VC and had lots of great fun. The scripts are merely there to assist in roleplay. You're not forced to use them all. I will say, however, that I do appreciate some simplicities about RS4. Some things like /wallet system, the entire gas fill up procedure and others I'm forgetting could be made simpler.
P.S. Jurisdiction would be an okay idea with a few refinements. It doesn't work too well with the current player count.
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/me removes the video as the creator saw what I meant to show.
Exactly what I'm talking about, I don't want people to do hardcore roleplay, and I neither don't want this to be done.
Trolling.
I'll admit tho, the accent you do while with Antonio is amazing.
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[Deep Cover video]
#t=110
*types in the password*
*Str8shoot3r has logged into the server...*
The administration already knows that. Congrats.
If you're trying to take lessons from a video made by a ban evader, I think you might be doing it wrong. The videos were never meant to show how to roleplay properly.
I have footage of that but I don't use it because I personally don't find it funny, which is what the videos aim to be. I would also advise to remove it since you are spreading it and that's considered a bannable offense. But then again, you were credited on the season finale for spreading it so, it's all good.
Exactly what I'm talking about, I don't want people to do hardcore roleplay
Then?
and I neither don't want this to be done.
Trolling.
The most "trolling" thing in that video was ruining the car spawns. Even then, it'll just get reverted because they're cars, not players. If you see anything else that might be considered trolling, be sure to point it out so I can explain to you why you are wrong.
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Shit, I come back to check what's going on here and what do I see? Same old shit. You people need to get the old easy system out of your heads. The real problem is your laziness and your lack of initiative. Hell, it might be a little hard to get some cash and stay aflow, I agree. But the one thing Argo is about is totally ignored nowadays.
Hell, I've went in game a week or so and just drove around looking for someone to Roleplay with. What I got was people pointing guns at me because, as it turns out I got close to their weed spot. Even asked on /p if there's anyone around willing to Roleplay, open up my bar...I wasn't even noticed. Instead of talking bullcrap about the new system and how it's bad just head InGame and organize a protest. Ask for a change in the system, in the economics.
You all yap about money being hard to get and everything. You know why? Because you don't even deserve a dollar from the system. You get your cash to buy a Sultan and drive around and bait the cops. No need to bullshit anyone here, 80% of the players who moan about money have that in mind. The other half will spend it on guns and go around in a State car.
You people just helped me remember the reason I decided to step away from Argonath...
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But just wait until you find out what we are working one... and it has nothing to do with a new RS version :D
What is it? ha ? ha ? tell me ha? what is it? tell me ha? TELL ME! :D
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Just pointing out few things attracted me here:
About making money part: It's not hard to make it as you're saying I spent 2hours working yesterday and collected 20k. You are just whinning because its not easier like in RS4.1.
About the fight of firemissions: Believe me, those happen rarely I have never seen such actions those two weeks only by few regulars who are just here to FUCK the gameplay and troll around or bunch of new players messinng around because of US the regulars and veterans whom just think that they are the most important person on the server just because of his registration date of his forum account. We should blame ourselves for that not admins...
Last thing about roleplaying: I to be honest never seen a cop roleplaying properly (talking about the cops that are moaning about it here) except some respected legal families and clans. The way you guys saying it is funny and disgusting in the same time, you should teach that new player so he be what he is supposed to or even better than you which will make you glad about it in the future. The veterans who're messing around are just non-lifers. Just because they lost their account on RS4 they don't want the others get on their feet again, yeah jealousy and stupidity.
In the end, I know some of you may get disrespected of what I wrote. Think about twice again, either you still don't get the fact that you must give ut a shot ori am here wasting my time with bunch of kids.
P.s there are some grammar issues so please..... its 4am and im using phone.
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No, the problem is that there's lack of Veterans which kept the server alive. Without them, there's no roleplay.
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No, the problem is that there's lack of Veterans which kept the server alive. Without them, there's no roleplay.
Bullshit. You have not seen what new players do each day, when veterans disrespect them and count them as something "less worthy". Like what you are implying...
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Bullshit. You have not seen what new players do each day, when veterans disrespect them and count them as something "less worth".
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Yesterday SAPD senior officer raged because of SAPD officer making an organized patrol.
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Yesterday SAPD senior officer raged because of SAPD officer making an organized patrol.
The problem is in the veterans, the SAPD Senior keep "raging" on new player when the SAPD officer trying to create some roleplay...
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Last thing about roleplaying: I to be honest never seen a cop roleplaying properly
Thats what i was looking for ,thanks.
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Agreed, but..
Never, ever spread words saying that RON & Ronnel has abandoned us. If that was the case, Argonath RPG as a whole would cease to exist, but didn't. Everybody here seems to forget that there's the real world we have to deal with, not just Argonath. I honestly don't want players new and old to start bashing on them for not being around, it's rude and disgusting.
I'm not saying they abandoned us, but it certainly feels kinda empty and chaotic without them. Real life or not, they still could hop in once in a while and tell us what's up. The matter of the fact was that Gandalf and Aragorn, especially Gandalf, somehow managed to get players motivated and kick the asses of those who would spread anti-RS5 bullshit we see now, but now when they're absent, these people feel free to shit on RS5 as much as they like.
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these people feel free to shit on RS5 as much as they like.
And "these people" will meet a wall if an HQ member or myself happen to see them. If someone wants to complain, then why are they still here?
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Correct, people don't care for roleplay as much, and it's not up to scripters to fix that.
It's the people, 21th century and the evilness.
When in vehicle, there is that specific group of people who purposely go as near to you as possible just to attempt lag ram, and they just move away like nothing happened, if rammed or not.
That's so freaking annoying, ignorant and stubborn.
Then there are firemen, mostly people who are in mafias (I won't name) who respond to fire scene with personal vehicles, shamals, dodos and whatnot, ramming everyone and everything on their way, like, who cares about sirens, roleplay and that, it's free money!
Then there are mechanics, ramming people purposely to make someone /acceptrepair, racing you just to do /S REPAIR!?!? and blocking roads generally just to ask question like "REPAIR?!"
Then medics, oh wait, no, nobody is on medic duty because it doesn't give free money.
People generally refuse to roleplay properly, everything is about money and money only. Specially the ones that play RS5 just to troll and act like 5year old, just killing for no reason, provoking and complaining.
There are no more than bunch of players who will actually roleplay properly and seriously.
When I try to roleplay, people either drive away just to get suspected (as I'm on police duty 24/7) or just start insulting and provoking for no reason "FUCK U ABUSER *drives away*", specially the ones as soon as you drive to them in blue name and they're lie "WHUT DID I DO!?" and I didn't even say a word.
Simply, it's the people to blame, not the scripters.
Oh boy you have my total respect. :hah:
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Bullshit. You have not seen what new players do each day, when veterans disrespect them and count them as something "less worthy"
Or constantly get picked on and suspected/kidnapped for profit.
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Yesterday SAPD senior officer raged because of SAPD officer making an organized patrol.
What gives the other officers less of a right for making patrols? There's a chain of command then there's totalitarian organizations. This is why I liked the division of freecops and then SAPD. SAPD was a lot more strict but it wasn't required to be a police.
What habits did ARPD, aspiring to be SAPD, pick up? Ten codes, how to drive by, PIT and how to shoot to name a few. How does that help roleplay? I had better roleplays with new players. Why? They're not copying the same template over and over. A criminal or officer shouldn't just be another criminal or police. Every player should be unique and craft their own story.
I'm not saying they abandoned us, but it certainly feels kinda empty and chaotic without them.
They were there before, yes, but you didn't see them on every day. When one of them logged on, it was a celebration of sorts.
now when they're absent, these people feel free to shit on RS5 as much as they like.
They're community leaders. They're not babysitters. The forums have other moderators that could do the same thing. Sort of like:
And "these people" will meet a wall if an HQ member or myself happen to see them. If someone wants to complain, then why are they still here?
See? However, if they don't know about it then they won't take action. Reporting is there for a reason.
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And "these people" will meet a wall if an HQ member or myself happen to see them. If someone wants to complain, then why are they still here?
Because they want to see SA:MP get fixed as much as we do, but some people just can't help but moan :S
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And "these people" will meet a wall if an HQ member or myself happen to see them. If someone wants to complain, then why are they still here?
That kind of mentality is the reason why people simply don't want to play anymore.
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That kind of mentality is the reason why people simply don't want to play anymore.
You think its fine to just straight out shit on something; without giving any sort of ideas, suggestions, or otherwise positive discussion? And we're the assholes for just ignoring the stuff that accomplish nothing? I don't think you understand the point he was making.
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You think its fine to just straight out shit on something; without giving any sort of ideas, suggestions, or otherwise positive discussion? And we're the assholes for just ignoring the stuff that accomplish nothing? I don't think you understand the point he was making.
The point is, if you have an alternative opinion (whether it be positive or negative) to something, you are hushed and told to not express it. Recently (within the last year), the mentality switched from being a community (a feeling of fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals) to a place of "It's our way or the highway". That doesn't seem very welcoming at all. But hey, that's none of my business.
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The point is, if you have an alternative opinion (whether it be positive or negative) to something, you are hushed and told to not express it. Recently (within the last year), the mentality switched from being a community (a feeling of fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals) to a place of "It's our way or the highway". That doesn't seem very welcoming at all. But hey, that's none of my business.
The developers have said several times that they are open to ideas that will benefit both mindsets (who like the way RS5 works and those who don't).
People have been suggesting ideas like returning to RS4 - that's impossible, 1. because hard work by the development team will be wasted, 2. because going back to RS4 would be a downgrade since RS5 uses new methods that will keep up with the new demands as well as be faster than RS4 (quoting Teddy)...
What exactly are you talking about? RS5 has changed a lot since it was first made public. People requested confusing stuff to be removed and guess what? Wallets, cards, pickpocket have been removed. As you can see changes such as jurisdiction and PnS are being heavily discussed in the SA:MP ideas section. Even a part of the staff members want some stuff to be changed.
Devin started giving groups a reason (for those who didn't want to cause of losing their HQ and vehicles) to play by providing them with resources (HQ, vehicles).
Had it not been for the positive feedback by the players who gave positive feedback (and not just complain that RS5 is bad RS4 is better without providing proper reason and alternatives), RS5 would still have been hated as much as it did in early stages.
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The point is, if you have an alternative opinion (whether it be positive or negative) to something, you are hushed and told to not express it. Recently (within the last year), the mentality switched from being a community (a feeling of fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals) to a place of "It's our way or the highway". That doesn't seem very welcoming at all. But hey, that's none of my business.
Can you not read or have you selected not to read? You're spurting out wrong facts. Since day 0 of Argonath developers have asked for input on everything. SA:MP Ideas board is a thing... when we released RS5 multiple topics were officially created asking for feedback, suggestions, what you like, didn't like, etc. etc. To this day, yes, today, I posted saying your feedback is what is gonna keep us going. Yet we're hushing you?
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These are evidence about my post regarding SAFD and personal vehicles:
(http://i.imgur.com/m9qVAns.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/g7ozgBg.png)
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These are evidence about my post regarding SAFD and personal vehicles:
[picture set]
I don't get what's the big deal here. How is it affecting you? Was there even a fire mission to begin with?
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The point is, if you have an alternative opinion (whether it be positive or negative) to something, you are hushed and told to not express it. Recently (within the last year), the mentality switched from being a community (a feeling of fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals) to a place of "It's our way or the highway". That doesn't seem very welcoming at all. But hey, that's none of my business.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103344.0
Your argument is invalid.
I'm not able to take you seriously considering you are saying that you've been here for atleast a year, yet you are using a forum account that is registered 12 days ago, which means you got something to hide and dont want people to find out who you are. Also, as long as any kind of criticism is constructive, and contains ideas on how to improve whatever the criticism is about, then i'm all ear to hear it as i value that. However, saying shit like "this feature sucks, delete it" or something similar will just make me ignore you as it's just a waste of time trying to talk with people that can't even forumlate properly why they think something is bad.
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I tend to agree with the gentleman above that a problem when it comes to expressing your opinion exists, however, there is a difference between an opinion and contribution and plain shitting. Pointing out that there is a problem and good-willingly proposing solutions, or better yet, taking actions yourself to make sure that the situation is improving, is expressing your opinion and contributing to the problems solution, while just pointing the flaws of someone's work with willing to do nothing but just sit your ass infront of the computer and feel good that you turned someone's self confidence down today is just shitting and will not and should not be tolerated.
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I should create a topic called Sorry can't get addicted to Heroin much more intresting.
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Shooter, yes, there was a mission, and that's exactly how FD responds to them.
Racing, ramming, breaking traffic laws and killing eachother just to gain more money.
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I can't even think of how many times I investigated cases when a fireman "accidently" killed another fireman with the spray..
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I can't even think of how many times I investigated cases when a fireman "accidently" killed another fireman with the spray..
:lol:
Me too :neutral2:
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I'm all for change and truly would embrace it. Please work on making this into a community it once was.
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Shooter, yes, there was a mission, and that's exactly how FD responds to them.
Racing, ramming, breaking traffic laws and killing eachother just to gain more money.
I only see that on the wrongly handled new players so we should blame ourselves instead.
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You think its fine to just straight out shit on something; without giving any sort of ideas, suggestions, or otherwise positive discussion? And we're the assholes for just ignoring the stuff that accomplish nothing? I don't think you understand the point he was making.
Because criticism is totally out of the blue and doesn't happen for a reason.
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I agree with most of the points stated in here. RS5 does not make me feel the same way I used to feel back in RS4, we had more players, more fun, more roleplay, more stuff do to while being in-game but now - we drive with cars around doing nothing getting really bored, when you go up to someone trying to roleplay with him he'd appear to be AFK or a player which is not in the "mode" to roleplay..
The RS5 script is a good script, don't get me wrong but it's suitable for the player count we used to have in RS4(120 approx) and not for the player count we get those days(30).
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Everyone who's leaving when Argonath is having a difficult time is simply being a selfish ass and just shows how loyal he/she was to the community, and I'd be very happy if once and when the server will shine again, and I trust it will, these people wouldn't be welcome anymore.. Especially the kind of you, with all the talk and no walk, where the only thing you do is cry how shit the gamemode is but do nothing, as a player , to contribute to it's repairs.
I left the community because of the lack of roleplay.
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I left the community because of the lack of roleplay.
Okay. :app:
"I left" yet still posts here.
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So long for these so called ' veterans ' you don't get anything from them but moaning ( not everyone of course ) , get new players and they will make a difference. RP is not based on veterans only, new players can roleplay way better than them if you treat them well.
Pointless to cry for their leaving.
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Well, today Mario decided to make a roleplay scene, we were quite enjoying it only bunch of "veterans" came and decided to ram the shit out of cars around until some of us die.
Admin however "didn't see anything" even though there was another person next to us which was reported for returning after death, so I didn't really get if the screen was frozen or what.
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Admin however "didn't see anything"
Did you report them? Has anyone looked into your report?
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Did you report them? Has anyone looked into your report?
I reported 1 person nearby first, then the second one came minutes later to the same spot and I reported the second person.
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Indeed, I did not see it and since he apologized and started roleplaying I choosed to not take any action against him.
Admin however "didn't see anything" even though there was another person next to us which was reported for returning after death, so I didn't really get if the screen was frozen or what.
How do you know I didn't send a PM to the guy telling him to not try to be a part of your roleplay since he died? Oh yeah, you don't. And for the record, instead of ragequitting you would have seen that he left the scene.
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I reported 1 person nearby first, then the second one came minutes later to the same spot and I reported the second person.
Just because you dont see the warn doesn't mean we dont deal with the reports
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Just because you dont see the warn doesn't mean we dont deal with the reports
A concept so many people fail to grasp. It's disappointing really. It's like the team isn't doing anything unless we, immediately, without time to investigate or anything issue something that provisions pretty red text on the screen. However this is hardly the case; we have this special command you might have heard, called /pm, works quite well.
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A concept so many people fail to grasp. It's disappointing really. It's like the team isn't doing anything unless we, immediately, without time to investigate or anything issue something that provisions pretty red text on the screen. However this is hardly the case; we have this special command you might have heard, called /pm, works quite well.
I know he was checking the report, but the thing is that people who try to ruin rare roleplay scenes which occur in argonath are not adequately punished.
And in my situation, you couldn't ignore them since they killed you and you spawned in middle of LV.
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in argonath are not adequately punished.
What would you consider adequate punishment?
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you couldn't ignore them since they killed you and you spawned in middle of LV.
In this case, I suggest just letting it happen. Showing no RP with these types, then if they do kill you, report them. (or if you already did, just PM the admin that took the report to see if he saw it or something.) The admins do look into things. I just feel different admins are heavier with punishment and many are light.
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What would you consider adequate punishment?
What he means, I think, is that people are not punished equally. The last time I checked, leaving topics are not allowed and forbidden by Gandalf, however, I've seen some players who are more known in the community make such topics and nobody does anything to them, while a less known player posts one and the topic gets locked. Very good example is this topic too, since it's pretty much a leaving topic which also contains some typical moaning about RS5 without willing to contribute to its progress.
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leaving topics are not allowed and forbidden by Gandalf, however, I've seen some players who are more known in the community make such topics and nobody does anything to them, while a less known player posts one and the topic gets locked.
The reasoning behind this is there was a period in time where people would make leaving topics, shit on the community in these topics, take a few days, or few weeks, and then return and act like nothing happened. However, there are some instances where this is let to slide for a period for members who have made significant contributions to the community and are just saying their goodbyes out of respect. While I may disagree with the stance, there is logical reasoning behind it.
As for the rest; I'm not asking in particular I'm pointing to the fact most people see a punishment is always in need for every report. This idea is a false and largely demanded.
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Like Rytuklis said, it seems like older players get weaker punishments than newer players.
Some old players just wait for situation to happen, then they out of nowhere do something, for example if it's a traffic accident, they'll go on medic duty and ram all the cars and act like superman paramedic, while some of the cars could've be rammed on nearby player (like it happened to me) and kill, while the admin was dealing with another situation and didn't see it happen.
It just makes you frustrated that old players, those who should represent argonath do such things purposely for own entertainment instead of entertainment for everyone in the scene.
And in such situation, the best admin can do is /pm them to stop, and they'll just move out and repeat the same as soon as new situation appears.
+ In most situation, admins would think that old players wouldn't do such things, because they're "old players" and "loyal".
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Erm... I think you should be more patient against to new players. Anyhow, they're learning the rules. You know that car killing is rulebreak but perhaps most of new players don't know even what is car killing (like me, when I log in a server first time). So, why don't you go and say that "car killing is a rulebreak so please do not do it again" to this rulebreaker instead of complaining a situation like that. And I believe this will get more happier both side, new players and regulars.
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Erm... I think you should be more patient against to new players. Anyhow, they're learning the rules. You know that car killing is rulebreak but perhaps most of new players don't know even what is car killing (like me, when I log in a server first time). So, why don't you go and say that "car killing is a rulebreak so please do not do it again" to this rulebreaker instead of complaining a situation like that. And I believe this will get more happier both side, new players and regulars.
I'm talking about old players, not new players.
New players are new, they need to learn and get used to the environment, while the old ones were in it for longer time.
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admins would think that old players wouldn't do such things, because they're "old players" and "loyal".
The largest ammount of rulebreakers are old players.
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I'm talking about old players, not new players.
New players are new, they need to learn and get used to the environment, while the old ones were in it for longer time.
Yes, the older players might get bored and they decide to hack or just fuck around because they don't give a shit.
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Bullshitting on old players...Nothing new under the sun. Christ, I swear if I say the same thing you said but replace "old players" with "new players", I'd get banned. I can't believe how ungrateful the community is to veterans nowadays...From admins punishing old players because they fought back against a DMing New Player to newbies ban evading, hacking, DDoSing the server after which they're welcomed back to the community with open arms...Veteran decides to fuck around? Banned. No second chances.
People making groups full of rulebreakers...They get banned, month later I log in, guess who's back online? Oh yeah! /that/ guy!
Argonath's vision is aimed toward new players, and that has always sickened me. Don't take me wrong, there is a lot of potential in the new people who join...But people who dedicate years of their life to Argonath don't get anything. People who donate to the server? Nah, who cares. Simple "thank you" is enough...I'm not gonna moan, I gave up on my part of the community long ago. People just don't respect anyone nowadays...Just sharing my opinion on things. :rolleyes:
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Bullshitting on old players...Nothing new under the sun. Christ, I swear if I say the same thing you said but replace "old players" with "new players", I'd get banned. I can't believe how ungrateful the community is to veterans nowadays...From admins punishing old players because they fought back against a DMing New Player to newbies ban evading, hacking, DDoSing the server after which they're welcomed back to the community with open arms...Veteran decides to f**k around? Banned. No second chances.
People making groups full of rulebreakers...They get banned, month later I log in, guess who's back online? Oh yeah! /that/ guy!
Argonath's vision is aimed toward new players, and that has always sickened me. Don't take me wrong, there is a lot of potential in the new people who join...But people who dedicate years of their life to Argonath don't get anything. People who donate to the server? Nah, who cares. Simple "thank you" is enough...I'm not gonna moan, I gave up on my part of the community long ago. People just don't respect anyone nowadays...Just sharing my opinion on things. :rolleyes:
Not everyone is the same, so don't talk about "Argonath" in general. The lack of respect exists even in real life, what do you expect from a game?
Also, about the Veterans and newbies thing;
Newbies are newbies, who have lack of knowledge of the rules and the community's tradition in general, what would happen if they were treated equally with the knowledged Veterans? A "Veteran" has been here for years, it's time for him to learn the rules and follow them. Most of old players are now trolling around, shitting on the community because "things are not like they were some years ago". Yeah, i'm here for 2 years and things have already changed a lot since my first months.. but that's it, if Veterans can't follow the rules, no newbie will do it.
And for the donations, there's nothing more they can do than thank him; However nobody ever forced players to donate. You really shouldn't complain about that..
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And for the donations, there's nothing more they can do than thank him; However nobody ever forced players to donate. You really shouldn't complain about that..
Don't make me dig into the forums to find the amount of times donations were required. From the server downtimes, to club.argonathrpg showing how much money is needed to bring the servers back up...To Gandalf's latest "200$ to bring RS4 back" or whatever it was...It's not stated directly, but it's been hinted way too much.
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Don't make me dig into the forums to find the amount of times donations were required. From the server downtimes, to club.argonathrpg showing how much money is needed to bring the servers back up...To Gandalf's latest "200$ to bring RS4 back" or whatever it was...It's not stated directly, but it's been hinted way too much.
What's your point with this?
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What's your point with this?
I think it's pretty clear. Think about what you said.
" However nobody ever forced players to donate."
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I think it's pretty clear. Think about what you said.
" However nobody ever forced players to donate."
Respect the fact that they've kept the server alive for all these years, and let us all have fun for free. If someone is able to and wants to help the community even with IRL money, then why not do it?
I was never forced to donate to Argonath, really not sure how you call that "forcing", they just with one way or another asked for help to keep the server up, and not for their own profit, but for us all.
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Don't make me dig into the forums to find the amount of times donations were required. From the server downtimes, to club.argonathrpg showing how much money is needed to bring the servers back up...To Gandalf's latest "200$ to bring RS4 back" or whatever it was...It's not stated directly, but it's been hinted way too much.
Actually it was directly stated he would charge to re-host RS4. I take it you know nothing about servers, server hosting, business management, or anything in this ballpark?
I think it's pretty clear. Think about what you said.
" However nobody ever forced players to donate."
In the case of RS4, it was optional right? If you wanted it back, you had the OPTION. Not forcing. In the time of a one month downtime, it was caused by a mess up at the bank. Gandalf stated if people pitched in the server would come back up faster than waiting for the bank to pull its finger swiftly from its anus and do something.
What is meant by this, is, there is no perks to donating. You don't get any special treatment. We're not a Pay-to-win server, we're not like that other popular server that charges you to get extra shit just to RP with a script. If you like the server and wanna see it continue to run, we ask for help. If we, as in Gandalf, encounter a problem and are unable to do so for a month, we ask for help to get it back up quicker.
If you donate you donate; if you don't you don't. You are treated the same. You get the same. You are the same. Nothing more, nothing less.
Hope its clear. I can simply if needed.
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This is quickly moving the attention to another part of my post on the previous page, I won't go on about the donations, it's simply my point of view I guess. But still, I'd like to see your explanation of the lack of respect and the disrespect toward veterans of this community.
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This is quickly moving the attention to another part of my post on the previous page, I won't go on about the donations, it's simply my point of view I guess. But still, I'd like to see your explanation of the lack of respect and the disrespect toward veterans of this community.
The disrespect is not only against the Veterans. If you come online, or even on forums, you can see veterans who behave worse than newbies. It's not about the rank, really. Lack of respect is everywhere.
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Veteran decides to f**k around? Banned. No second chances.
Why would you decide to fuck around?
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I believe we as a community have the ability to create nice RP without the need to guns and fighting and moaning as it was done mostly in RS1/2. But it would also require the community to be willing to accept that style.
So the big question is, is the community as a whole competent enough to accept people who RP more than they shoot? No one knows this answer, but I believe doing so would be worth a try.
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I believe we as a community have the ability to create nice RP without the need to guns and fighting and moaning as it was done mostly in RS1/2. But it would also require the community to be willing to accept that style.
So the big question is, is the community as a whole competent enough to accept people who RP more than they shoot? No one knows this answer, but I believe doing so would be worth a try.
Well said.
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The bonus system for mechanics and drivers is kinda good. You can get 4k every day by that.
I disagree, the mechanic system is practically just the same as a medic asking for /heal for cash.
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I believe we as a community have the ability to create nice RP without the need to guns and fighting and moaning as it was done mostly in RS1/2. But it would also require the community to be willing to accept that style.
So the big question is, is the community as a whole competent enough to accept people who RP more than they shoot? No one knows this answer, but I believe doing so would be worth a try.
What? that's a roleplay server mate why should people roleplay with guns? what roleplay can you do without guns? open a club and dance like a retard? smoke a cigarette? I mean seriously if some people are breaking the rules doesn't mean people should start RPing with no guns and stuff beacuse that's even more boring from the current situation.
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I believe we as a community have the ability to create nice RP without the need to guns and fighting and moaning as it was done mostly in RS1/2. But it would also require the community to be willing to accept that style.
Far be it for Crime Families to ever get into disagreements that escalate into violence. :rolleyes:
Neither should Gangsters be expected to join hands with the Police and sing kumbaya... Seriously... lol
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I'm sorry but I just can't overlook the fact how the author of this topic, full of shitting on RS5 and so on, has been playing yesterday like nothing has ever happened, and when I confronted him about this topic in game in the public chat, he somehow had no recollection of what he wrote here! Speak of hypocracy. It justifies the statement one of the developers said here - all these who "leave" with throwing all kinds of shit towards the community are not taken seriously, because in the end they end up playing anyways, and they were right.
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I'm sorry but I just can't overlook the fact how the author of this topic, full of shitting on RS5 and so on, has been playing yesterday like nothing has ever happened, and when I confronted him about this topic in game in the public chat, he somehow had no recollection of what he wrote here! Speak of hypocracy. It justifies the statement one of the developers said here - all these who "leave" with throwing all kinds of shit towards the community are not taken seriously, because in the end they end up playing anyways, and they were right.
Economy 2.0 covered few of his problems.