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Title: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on July 20, 2014, 11:21:22 pm
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Introduction
The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas is the reformed version and a successor of the Argonath Democracy Movement. It is a forum for the citizens of San Andreas and the representatives of different branches of Argonath society to come together in one place to discuss the issues which are important to us all as citizens. The vision of a political system in Argonath is not a dream. It's achievable - as stated by the President, Gandalf. (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=90092.msg1437498#msg1437498)

The Assembly shall meet to discuss issues which are of concern to the citizens of San Andreas and decide on which is the best approach for us to take. Through our work we shall lobby the Argonath government to make changes and work with existing Argonath authorities to implement changes that we wish to see.


The Assembly Constitution
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1   NAME AND PREAMBLE
1.1. The name of the Assembly shall be the United States of Argonath Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas, herein referred to as ‘the Assembly’.

1.2. The Assembly shall be subordinate to the President and Prime Minister of the United States of Argonath and shall act in accordance with the Constitution of the United States of Argonath.

2   AIMS AND OBJECTIVES
2.1. To promote democracy in San Andreas through representation of citizens in the political process.

2.2. To aid in making decisions which effect citizens and put their interests first in these matters.

2.3 To cooperate with Argonath authorities in the work of the Assembly.

3   MEMBERSHIP
3.1. Membership shall be open to all citizens of San Andreas who are in broad agreement with the Aims and Objectives of the Assembly, as defined in clause 2 of this Constitution and of the Constitution of the United States of Argonath.

3.2. Membership shall be subject to approval by the leadership of the State Assembly.

3.3. A person who is a member of the Assembly shall be referred to in full as "Member of the Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas" or simply an "Assembly Member".

4   ASSEMBLY GOVERNMENT
4.1. The officers of the Assembly shall be as follows:-
       
       Speaker
       Speaker pro tempore
       Chief Clerk
       Sergeant-at-Arms

4.2. The speaker is the person who chairs debates in the Assembly and decides the issues which are to be discussed at meetings. A speaker shall be elected every three months or in the event of resignation, death or incapacity of the incumbent.

4.3. A speaker shall be elected by a two-thirds majority of the Assembly. In the event no speaker is elected, the current speaker shall remain as interim until such a time when the office is filled. Should an interim speaker be required but there is no current speaker, the speaker pro tempore shall become interim speaker.

4.4. The speaker pro tempore shall be the person who has served longest in the Assembly. Should no single member meet this criteria, the person who secures a majority vote of the Assembly shall become speaker pro tempore.

4.5. The chief clerk is a non-partisan officer who shall be in-charge of recording voting of members of the Assembly.

4.6. The sergeant-at-arms is a non-partisan officer who shall be in-charge of keeping order during meetings of the Assembly. He/she is the only person who may be armed during meetings.

5   AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION
5.1 Amendments to this Constitution shall be deemed to take effect once approved by a 66% majority of the Assembly members.

Membership
To join the Assembly, simply complete the short form below. Every potential member will be reviewed by the current  members first. You will be contacted back via PM if needed. By registering you confirm you are in agreement with the Assembly's Constitution.

Code: [Select]
[b]In-game name and roleplay name:[/b]
[b]Political views?:[/b]
[b]Why do you wish to join the Assembly?:[/b]
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on July 20, 2014, 11:21:38 pm
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Members

Speaker:
Jacob Jones (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?action=profile;u=19138) (interim)

Speaker pro tempore:
Alfred Al Monroe (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?action=profile;u=9803) (interim)

Chief Clerk:
-

Sergeant-at-Arms:
-

Assembly Members (AM):
Marcel de Rooy
Alex "Pulse" Treblin
Ben Martin

Speaker: The person who chairs debates in the Assembly and decides the issues which are to be discussed at meetings.

Speaker pro tempore: The longest serving member of the Assembly, or person elected to that office by the Assembly, who shall assume responsibilities of the Speaker when he/she is absent.

Chief Clerk: The non-partisan officer who shall be in-charge of recording voting of members of the Assembly.

Sergeant-at-Arms: The non-partisan officer who shall be in-charge of keeping order during meetings of the Assembly. He/she may need to cooperate with law enforcement agencies to ensure the safety of member of the Assembly.

Assembly Members: Those who are serving in the Assembly and are requested to attend its meetings and vote on issues which are of concern.

Interim: This person has not been elected to their position but is holding the office for the time being.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Marcel on July 21, 2014, 10:03:50 am
Finally, this looks great!

In-game name and roleplay name: Marcel Adam James de Rooy / DHR.Marcel
Political views?: Liberal, Progressive
Why do you wish to join the Assembly?: I love to roleplay on a more meta-level which means politics and law are a good way to practice that.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Archie on July 21, 2014, 10:10:13 am
Best of luck with you, Jacob. Nice one!
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Slavik on July 21, 2014, 11:36:41 am
Very nice, let's see how it goes :)

Best of luck
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on July 21, 2014, 12:09:15 pm
In-game name and roleplay name: Marcel Adam James de Rooy / DHR.Marcel
Political views?: Liberal, Progressive
Why do you wish to join the Assembly?: I love to roleplay on a more meta-level which means politics and law are a good way to practice that.
Accepted, welcome.

Thank you for your kind comments.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: PulseEffect on July 21, 2014, 03:19:09 pm
In-game name and roleplay name: PulseEffect / Alex "Pulse" Treblin
Political views?: Conservative
Why do you wish to join the Assembly?: I enjoy the good old politics and discussing ideas that can help citizens with their lives.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on July 21, 2014, 04:03:58 pm
In-game name and roleplay name: PulseEffect / Alex "Pulse" Treblin
Political views?: Conservative
Why do you wish to join the Assembly?: I enjoy the good old politics and discussing ideas that can help citizens with their lives.
Accepted.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: beLTa on July 21, 2014, 04:08:01 pm
Great! Looks good. Godo luck!
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2014, 04:16:38 pm
Looks awesome, I'd love to see you actually have roleplay debates with other politic groups!
Good luck Jacob!
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on July 21, 2014, 04:29:55 pm
Looks awesome, I'd love to see you actually have roleplay debates with other politic groups!
Good luck Jacob!
Thank you, although you may have got confused. This is not a political party, it is a political forum for discussion and debate on different issues. Political parties may join the Assembly should they wish to do so but as the Assembly is not (yet) wholly elected it would be preferable to have people who act along with their own individual opinion. However, this is something we will have to discuss when the Assembly is in session.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2014, 04:34:43 pm
Thank you, although you may have got confused. This is not a political party, it is a political forum for discussion and debate on different issues. Political parties may join the Assembly should they wish to do so but as the Assembly is not (yet) wholly elected it would be preferable to have people who act along with their own individual opinion. However, this is something we will have to discuss when the Assembly is in session.
Ahh my bad, still a great idea that can bring lots of roleplay.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Tiny on July 21, 2014, 04:36:23 pm
Looks promising, best of luck!
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Benn on July 24, 2014, 02:53:56 am
In-game name and roleplay name:Ben Martin
Political views?:None that I know about but since I have to choose I would say Socialist since I support equality , but not exactly in the same way Socialism does..
Why do you wish to join the Assembly?:To keep balance at the assembly so their won't be only one vision to rule the assembly

Also I am applying as an Argonath citizen not as a party leader **
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on July 25, 2014, 10:48:55 pm
Accepted. Please PM me your Skype name, Ben.
Title: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas: Release #1
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 13, 2014, 05:09:53 pm
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The following statement is issued by the present Assembly assembled, as follows:—


Session #1
2014.08.04

TOPICS:

1. Amendments to The Constitution of the United States of Argonath
2. Official stance on the Flint County Liberation Front
3. Suggestion regarding the Argonath Fire Department‘s status across Argonath


1.   Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of Argonath

The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas has reviewed the constitution of the State of San Andreas and has determined that certain changes to the constitution has to be made to suit the current state of the state. The following report will cover the amendments to the constitution that are deemed necessary by the State Assembly members.


1.1.    The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas has determined that Article XIII.I of Act XIII, Section III needs to be amended, as it contains terms that no longer apply to the State of San Andreas under RS5. The terms Security Guard and Cadet are no longer valid as these positions are no longer existant in the State of San Andreas and therefore should be removed from the constitution.

1.2.    The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas has determined that Article XIII.IV of Act XIII, Section III needs to be amended. The terms President and the Prime Minister should be removed, because the mentioned positions already have complete authority over any ruling in the server.

(a) The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas has also re-viewed the involvement of San Andreas Police Chief and The Federal Bureau of Investigations directors in the stated article questionable. We believe that SAPD Chiefs and FBI Directors should not be given the legal right to issue arrest warrants, as this should not be a priority of a LEO. We believe that only the respective judges of the court of the State of San Andreas should be allowed to issue arrest warrants. Our reasoning behind this is that this would improve roleplay between the law enforcement branches and the courts in game without any need of additional script implementation.

1.3.   The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas has determined that article XIII.VI of Act XIII, Section III should be extended to apply to all emergency services, not only law enforcement. We believe that a seperate Section should be made in the constitution, which would cover laws regarding the acts of all Emergency Services, including EMS and ARFD. The mentioned point of the constitution could be used to cover the negligence of duty, now often performed by the volunteer firefighters of ARFD (growing weed on duty, disobeying traffic laws and so on). As per presidents order, SAFD is now allowed to sue ARFD firefighters who grow weed on duty, however, there is no constitutional amendment made for this order. We believe that this suggestion of the Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas could be used to fix this flaw.

1.4.    The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas has found that ACT XXIII is unconstitutional, as it directly conflicts with Section III, ACT IV.

1.5.    The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas believes that ACT XXVII of Section III should be amended. We believe that before such event is made, SAPD and ARFD branches must be contacted so they can be ready for any emergencies that would arise during such an event.

2.   Official stance on the Flint County Liberation Front

2.1.   As a legal, democratical political entity of the State of San Andreas, United States of Argonath, we believe that it is necessesary for us to express our concern regarding The Flint County Liberation Front, the newly arisen political entity of the State of San Andreas.

While the Provisional State Assembly recognizes the potential and positive effects of the FCLF on Flint County in the short time they have been active in the area, the Assembly urges them to review and change their policies and laws so that they reflect and respect the (supreme) constitution of the United States of Argonath. The Assembly further notes that any declarations of independence are unfounded as long as the constitution of the United States of Argonath applies. Therefore, until points of their policies that conflict with the Constitution of Argonath are amended or removed, we cannot recognize this entity as a legal organisation.

3.   Suggestion regarding the status of Argonath Fire Department across United States of Argonath

3.1.    The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas has determined, that the Argonath Fire Department's status not only in San Andreas, but in other states as well, and its authority has become a subject to question. The Assembly urges the ARFD to come up with regulations that would determine their authority around each state and address the President on this issue ASAP.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on August 18, 2014, 02:05:18 am
*Note*

Mr Speaker.
I think any notion to even recognise the flint county liberation front as anything more than a criminal entity does not bode well for the reputation of the position of speaker who should not jump to put forward discussions that are not needed.

From what I have heard, the flint county liberation is nothing more than a anarchist criminal entity. Politics if it could be called that is nothing but a cloak for their illegal activities. The speaker should not have allowed a discussion of them at all.

Please also accept my request for a copy of the minutes for the meeting / discussions.

Kind Regards,
Admiral.  Monte Montague. Phd.
San Fierro.

Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 18, 2014, 01:42:52 pm
Dear Admiral M. Montague,

I thank you for your input. As you will see clearly on the last line of the statement, when assembled members of this Assembly did not recognise the Flint County Liberation Front as a legal organisation:

Therefore, until points of their policies that conflict with the Constitution of Argonath are amended or removed, we cannot recognize this entity as a legal organisation.

That meeting lasted for around 1-2 hours and on the request for the copy for the discussions, that won't be completed as the Hansard was unable to attend but the statement issued there is everything which was discussed. I will also remind the Admiral, that the statement is from the Assembly's activities and not from myself directly, not to mention, I did not take any part in that particular meeting.

Your sincerely,
Speaker Jacob Jones
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on August 19, 2014, 12:16:36 pm
Dear Admiral M. Montague,

I thank you for your input. As you will see clearly on the last line of the statement, when assembled members of this Assembly did not recognise the Flint County Liberation Front as a legal organisation:

Therefore, until points of their policies that conflict with the Constitution of Argonath are amended or removed, we cannot recognize this entity as a legal organisation.

That meeting lasted for around 1-2 hours and on the request for the copy for the discussions, that won't be completed as the Hansard was unable to attend but the statement issued there is everything which was discussed. I will also remind the Admiral, that the statement is from the Assembly's activities and not from myself directly, not to mention, I did not take any part in that particular meeting.

Your sincerely,
Speaker Jacob Jones

Mr Speaker,

So it was not an official meeting? but rather a select committee.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 19, 2014, 01:44:42 pm
Mr Speaker,

So it was not an official meeting? but rather a select committee.
It was an official meeting. The outcome of which you can see in reply #15.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: PulseEffect on March 10, 2015, 03:20:06 pm
Bumping.. The Provisional State Assembly of Argonath has moved to pass the "Government Legislation Protection Act 2014", which is tabled here;

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GOVERNMENT LEGISLATION PROTECTION ACT 2015
An Act to protect the Government and the Public from unlawful passing of laws.

In the Assembly convened, hereby enacts as follows:

Short Title

(1) This Act may be cited as the Government Legislation Protection Act 2014.

Definitions

(2) Public Services: An organisation that is paid for by the taxpayer and serves the public or government in some way.
(3) Legislative (Branch/Body, etc): The Assembly and related Councils.
(4) Judicial (Branch/Courts): The Courts from Civil, Economic, Supreme & Criminal.
(5) Executive: The Prime Minister/Vice President + President of the United States of Argonath.
(6) Precedent: A punishment used in the first case and then considered as a base for future related cases.
(7) Unlawful: An act that goes against the Constitution or is generally not lawful.

Provisions

(8 ) General Morale of the Bill is stated in 8a of the Government Legislation Protection Act 2014.
(a) That this bill prevents public services and other governmental organisations that are not defined by the Constitution Section 4, Separation of Powers be prevented from making non-existent laws that do not apply or have been added to the Criminal Laws Act, Fire Protection Laws Act and the Constitution.
(9) The organisations that are exempt from this law are;
(a)That Legislative Bodies be able to pass laws through their respective procedures and present these laws to the Executive Branch.
(b) That the Judicial System has the power to create and enforce precedent should a case of criminal jurisdiction be present before them.
(i) That the Judicial System also consult the Executive Branch before creating precedent.
(ii) That the Judicial System also make sure they interpret the correct laws appropriately before creating precedent.
(iii) That Precedent apply to all other cases from then on.
(iv) That should a court not decide to apply precedent, that the judge make a reasonable explanation to the exemption.
(10) That this act prevents the Judicial System from creating laws when a case is present before them and that case has the intention to create laws, furthermore, prevents the Judicial System from making unlawful edits to the related Acts in Section 1.
(11) That the Executive Branch create “emergency” laws should the relevant Judicial and Legislative bodies be unable to respond.
(12) The punishments that may occur from violating this act in accordance with the principle of “Innocent before Proven Guilty”
(a) Should any body violate the “Government Legislation Protection Act”, the (acting) head of the organisation be punishable to removal of position and banned from applying to that organisation for a period, no less than 1 month and as well, possible damages to victims.
(b) Related parties will also be removed of position and banned from applying to that organisation for 2 weeks and also pay possible damages to victims.

Schedule

(13) That this Act be effective upon passing of the Assembly.

The Provisional State Assembly will move to assent this bill through the Supreme Court or the President himself.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: PulseEffect on July 04, 2015, 12:59:34 pm
The Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas will be returning in the wake of the constitutional update, updates to follow.

Our Objectives;

- To debate and issue white papers regarding legal issues within the constitution and common-law issues.
- To debate and work on a proper, sustainable government model for the State of San Andreas.
- To stay relevant with the population of Argonath.
- To advance the constitutional rights of the citizen with the upcoming updates to the constitution.
Title: Re: Provisional State Assembly of San Andreas
Post by: Marcel on July 13, 2015, 01:33:48 pm
Great! Let's get this show on the road again!
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