Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Zaila on September 02, 2014, 01:25:08 pm
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As i'm getting alot of questions about this, i'm making a topic where everyone can see this. This will also not be the answer some people are looking for.
I'm getting alot of questions about the drug market in which players are claiming they have bought several thousand grams of weed for $40/g and want a refund for it. That will not happend as if we would, we would need to spend ridiculous amount of time checking through i dont know how many months of logs, track exactly how much each player claiming a refund has bought weed for, track what the selling player has done with the money, track who got money from each purchase and remove money from other players not directly involved in the dealing and so on. Each case of a refund request would take weeks and with 10 or 20 requests of refunds, we could be talking about over half a year of just checking through logs which is not feasible as we dont have 10 - 15 hours per day to look through logs only.
So, in short, I bought <amount> weed for <price> per g, the drug market value is way lower than i bought it for. Can i have a refund? No, no refunds will be given out.
Also a clarification about the drug market price.
You might be seeing a low market price, but considering the seed cost, and the lowest amount you can earn on each weed plant, you will ALWAYS make a profit of each plant. The purpose of the market is for a group to work togheter to earn money for their given group, not for individual players to become rich on it. We could increase the market price, but that would only be done after VERY careful considerations as we dont want groups to earn alot of money in a very short amount of time.
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Is there any possibility to raise the weed market price to at least 15$/g?
This 8$/g price made players to stop making weed. I barely see one guy doing weed these days. I guess 15$/g or even a bit more would make a change.
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Is there any possibility to raise the weed market price to at least 15$/g?
This 8$/g price made players to stop making weed. I barely see one guy doing weed these days. I guess 15$/g or even a bit more would make a change.
Thats will kill player to player dealing,I mean do u even see anyone doing drugs dealing now ? I barely see one or 2 deals
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And what about the thousands of grams we have stored in our container ? Me and my group have spent more than 500k on buying the drugs. If you, or any other manager buys the drugs from all of us ( players, not only my group ), it will inject a huge amount of cash into the server. I plan on working on drugs again, as that's the only way I can get a profit at this moment ( due to unfinished/bugged scripts ).
When I gave my name on a list a player made, I never knew it was for refunds. I, myself, don't ask for a refund, I ask for a buyer. I bought at $xx/g price and I had to sell at $xx+1/g price, which I didn't find profitable at all. So, I didn't sell the drugs, and instead kept storing them. Maybe the developers can buy it from players, just this once ? No one will buy at 30/g and sell at 8/g. Everything will go normal afterwards.
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I have other question i hear that growing and harvesting weed now it's illegal is this true or false ?
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Also a clarification about the drug market price.
You might be seeing a low market price, but considering the seed cost, and the lowest amount you can earn on each weed plant, you will ALWAYS make a profit of each plant. The purpose of the market is for a group to work togheter to earn money for their given group, not for individual players to become rich on it. We could increase the market price, but that would only be done after VERY careful considerations as we dont want groups to earn alot of money in a very short amount of time.
So what you're saying is; to become wealthy you're obliged to do drugs as a group and not as individual? What about people who don't want to be part of any group?
People won't be motivated to farm drugs with such low market prices, neither individually nor in a group, because it's simply not worth the effort. Not changing the market prices will only slow down the process of getting the economy going, think about it please.
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Your topic still did not give us a way how to solve this
I gotta agree with what Stivi mentioned above. I am also not looking for a refund, I am looking for a buyer. I am not going to sell my drugs for $8/g right now at the Market considering I bought them for around $40/g I will wait for the prices to increase or someone that will agree on buying for atleast $40/g, even if it takes a year. Since the new drug system was released, I have only grown 36grams of weed and bought 0. I've turned into a fireman which really sucks.
I hope you understand me.
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Wasn't it said that the whole reason that the drugmarket prices are low is that it should encourage player - player deals and that you should only use the market if you are in desperate need of money?
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I have other question i hear that growing and harvesting weed now it's illegal is this true or false ?
No, it's still legal. Check the constitution.
Wasn't it said that the whole reason that the drugmarket prices are low is that it should encourage player - player deals and that you should only use the market if you are in desperate need of money?
Was said, but I guess then they understood it was completely wrong.
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Off topic but Oh Boy your signature gets me everytime :P
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As i'm getting alot of questions about this, i'm making a topic where everyone can see this. This will also not be the answer some people are looking for.
I'm getting alot of questions about the drug market in which players are claiming they have bought several thousand grams of weed for $40/g and want a refund for it. That will not happend as if we would, we would need to spend ridiculous amount of time checking through i dont know how many months of logs, track exactly how much each player claiming a refund has bought weed for, track what the selling player has done with the money, track who got money from each purchase and remove money from other players not directly involved in the dealing and so on. Each case of a refund request would take weeks and with 10 or 20 requests of refunds, we could be talking about over half a year of just checking through logs which is not feasible as we dont have 10 - 15 hours per day to look through logs only.
So, in short, I bought <amount> weed for <price> per g, the drug market value is way lower than i bought it for. Can i have a refund? No, no refunds will be given out.
Also a clarification about the drug market price.
You might be seeing a low market price, but considering the seed cost, and the lowest amount you can earn on each weed plant, you will ALWAYS make a profit of each plant. The purpose of the market is for a group to work togheter to earn money for their given group, not for individual players to become rich on it. We could increase the market price, but that would only be done after VERY careful considerations as we dont want groups to earn alot of money in a very short amount of time.
Thank you a lot for these wonderful news.
Can you not just return the drug script to what it used to be 2 months ago? That way everyone will be happy. That's not too fast money, yet we'll get our money back.
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This is an complete absurd. It completely discourages players interact between each other. I mean what for they should interact with each other if they are not gaining any profit in that matter,nor they need to,as they got bot which they can spam all day long.
I thought if we implement an script,it should motivate player interaction,this one definitely doesn't.
This definitely needs rework done,or to be completely removed,and its not even matter of money here right now,its just bad to see that script already small community seperates even more apart,and no it wont encourage groups work together and stack drugs,it discourages if nothing else at all drug business.
Rework this please.
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You guys are really putting a lot of effort, to make Argonath even more annoying for players, and even more empty then it is at the moment.
And before anyone dare to say I'm wrong, go check the groups activity section, and the player count on the server.
The whole update is just the last nail in a coffin you guys are putting, to completely destroy groups activity.
Nothing personal to anyone, nor negative, but this is the truth, and you gotta hear it.
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You guys are really putting a lot of effort, to make Argonath even more annoying for players, and even more empty then it is at the moment.
I agree with this.
Players complain about things and features, they either get banned or told to /q if they don't like it, where's the gain in that?
If I was in shoes of owners/scripters I'd make sure players are interested into the mode and that it's fun for everyone, not shove it up with my ideas and let others adjust to it.
Removal of jurisdictions was a great and big step, still it was only for SAPD.
Those criminals and criminal groups used to make 60% of the server.
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Everyone is amazed with the criminal system update (drugs), never seen any other player getting annoyed about it but there is something no one is understanding.... Server isn't only SAPD and Criminals, server isn't only money... The missing key is the old imagination that everyone had. What's more annoying, you guys focusing only on yourselves thinking that the game is your "life" putting the blame on the scripters who're trying to make the server more enjoyable but you guys just keep moaning about a virtual "money".
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Everyone is amazed with the criminal system update (drugs), never seen any other player getting annoyed about it but there is something no one is understanding.... Server isn't only SAPD and Criminals, server isn't only money... The missing key is the old imagination that everyone had. What's more annoying, you guys focusing only on yourselves thinking that the game is your "life" putting the blame on the scripters who're trying to make the server more enjoyable but you guys just keep moaning about a virtual "money".
I seriously don't understand how can you base everything on imagination.
If everything is based on imagination, let's remove all the cars, all the house and business interiors and let's imagine being inside them.
Nobody lacks imagination, RS4 had more features and they were more effective and more simple, that's a fact.
I still don't get if RS5 is in alpha stage, beta stage or in full release, because some say one thing some say other.
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You guys are really putting a lot of effort, to make Argonath even more annoying for players, and even more empty then it is at the moment.
And before anyone dare to say I'm wrong, go check the groups activity section, and the player count on the server.
The whole update is just the last nail in a coffin you guys are putting, to completely destroy groups activity.
Nothing personal to anyone, nor negative, but this is the truth, and you gotta hear it.
Who said you're wrong? But you are very late in saying it not like we haven't noticed the server activity recently been like that for a while.
Do find it laughable that it's the update to the drug market that's at fault for group activity, that's just trying to point fingers because you have nowhere else to point. Market will never be perfect, it was never meant for a replacement for player > player trading (doesn't happen because no one has the money or they are whoring it) and it was certainly never meant as a way to earn a absurd amount of money quickly. It was simply a extra feature for those who had a specific status.
What would you guys want that prices changed on a hourly/daily basis ranging between $?? > $??
Cause this is what I see it comes down to that you cannot sell the drugs you have because you will be at a loss thus the uproar.
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I seriously don't understand how can you base everything on imagination.
If everything is based on imagination, let's remove all the cars, all the house and business interiors and let's imagine being inside them.
Nobody lacks imagination, RS4 had more features and they were more effective and more simple, that's a fact.
I still don't get if RS5 is in alpha stage, beta stage or in full release, because some say one thing some say other.
To be honest RS5 has more features than RS4 but you people just keep crying for RS4 easy money winning and abusing firemission bugs to get 200k per mission. If people say a lot of things why don't you judge by yourself and say something by yourself instead of listening to other's bullshit and judging the wrong sides?
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I give up. It's impossible to satisfy this community no matter how fucking hard we are trying. No matter if we do changes everyone is whining for, it's apparently not fucking enough.
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I give up. It's impossible to satisfy this community no matter how f**king hard we are trying. No matter if we do changes everyone is whining for, it's apparently not f**king enough.
Don't only look at the negative side, look at the other people who're appreciating the efforts. Even if everything is perfect, people will still complain how perfect the work is. That's a fact...
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I give up. It's impossible to satisfy this community no matter how f**king hard we are trying. No matter if we do changes everyone is whining for, it's apparently not f**king enough.
Zaila stop getting demotivated all the time dude. Everybody is simply trying to help getting the community back on its feet.
You should see it as inspiration instead; lots of people are looking forward to your work.
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I give up. It's impossible to satisfy this community no matter how f**king hard we are trying. No matter if we do changes everyone is whining for, it's apparently not f**king enough.
Zaila, dont listen to the idiots, I tell you what give them scripter for a week tell them to script it... trust me, I only know roughtly a little but its F**king hard.
And these people Zaila, Teddy, Gimli, Conroy, Jones, put the work in to this community to make it better, and you all moan? Like seriously till you realize that moaning and annoying people gets you nothing. Sit and shows some respect. Slamming people for there hard work is disrespectful. Im sorry but the reason why you dont get the things you want is because the disrespect etc you give to the people who put the work in for us. Call me what you want, an asslick.. I know what your thinking... I sit up to 3-4am talking with Zaila and Gimli, talking to them while they script. 3 TO 4 AM! While you are all having a nice sleep, they are making YOUR community better.
But sit and put yourself into these peoples shoes, wouldn't you get pissed off?
Learn to respect what you have. Argonath is free. Till you have to pay for it then moan.
Also Zaila bro, we all love your work. Do not get upset alot of us respect your work.
RS5 is here to stay love it or lump it.
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Zaila, dont listen to the idiots
What?
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What?
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I give up. It's impossible to satisfy this community no matter how f**king hard we are trying. No matter if we do changes everyone is whining for, it's apparently not f**king enough.
Zaila to be honest, you are right. You people are basically trying to improve the status of RP and i dont know about anyone but i do appreciate it, But as far as i have seen if just people would comply strictly to RP they can get rid of the money problem, Kidnapping people and all your money on cars, Guns and recruiting people is wasted if it is possible please improve this thing in server and i am sure no one would be crying over money :)
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Alright, this is not to offend anyone but I just keep seeing this over and over again. And it getting rather annoying..
For some reason it seems like none of you have heard of the words 'Constructive Criticism'. I mostly see people say 'The script is bad because its 'blabla'. Yet, most ideas things that Zaila had made for YOU guys were out of YOUR ideas in the idea topic. And when he combines them, you guys are 'moaning' about it again. For example, Plam saw some flaws in the drugs script, he gave constructive criticism about it, and pointed out what he thinks should change, in what way it should change and how it should change. What I mostly see is 'Groups are leaving because of the bad drug system.' No, your groups are not leaving because of the drug system, your groups are leaving because you don't like it you lost your money. You guys should remember that this game is about having fun with your friends, enjoying life and overall having a good laugh. And I have these daily. The drug script is not there to pump in hundreds of thousands of dollars in every hour. Its there to make money, but not a ton more then a average person can. Risk awards, and I agree, the risks you have when growing or ordering drugs is not that big. Nor is the profit. But if you do it properly, you can make tons of money. It's not like RS4 where you can just grow a few thousands grams a week all by your own, then sell it for tons as you all did it by yourself. The current drug system needs you to work in teams, you need to work smart and make sure you can get the highest price possible. And no, you can't blame the scripts for that. The scripts give enough money to make you a nice profit.
It just feels like some of you have forgotten the reason why you joined this game. To have fun, to enjoy the game, play with friends and have role plays. I agree, there are not a ton of role plays lately, but who's to blame, the script, or you guys. And I guess the answer is clear enough on that one. Again, I am not pointing fingers towards anyone, or trying to bad mouth anyone. But if you really want to help. Write down what you think should change, how you think it should change and how you think it may help the server. And no 'Raise the prices of the drug market' is not proper criticism . It's just a way for you guys to earn more money.
So again, If you really want change. Stop just writing 'Its bad, change it'. But give them ideas, how do you think the changes can help, and how do you think they should make it. And no, I am not saying it will go exactly your way, but I am sure they'll take it in to account.
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I give up. It's impossible to satisfy this community no matter how f**king hard we are trying. No matter if we do changes everyone is whining for, it's apparently not f**king enough.
Hey, i was one of those who complained about the drug system, but what you've done to improve it is great. Thank you for that.
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Since everyone wants to be f***ing mad, here's a solution. How about this? The ONLY people that can grow weed or order heroin are OFFICIAL Criminal Groups. This solves the abuse of your drug changes as now no casual player can simply abuse the drug system for quick money. These casual players may now interact with each other to sell drugs. But wait you're saying "Durr hurr, that decreases RP cause nobody will buy."
This opens the ability to scam/trick other people or even start drug raids where players can attack Criminal groups for their weed and sell it for cheap on the street.
I think the real issue on why Argonath is having its scripters fall apart is because it can't decide who it is. We MUST (Yes. WE. The community and its members must choose, what kind of community is this supposed to be) address the question. Are we a Light RP Community or are we a Freeroam Community? We can't have our cake and eat it.
Either start having scripts that involve force rp and having Closed groups or just stop the RP and allow everyone access to everything the server has to offer by letting players "do as they want," since "Anyone can be anything." (I personally vote for the Light RP.)
The community will fall apart if it doesn't choose. End of Story. Best of Luck to you all. DSB out. :depature:
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Since everyone wants to be f***ing mad, here's a solution. How about this? The ONLY people that can grow weed or order heroin are OFFICIAL Criminal Groups. This solves the abuse of your drug changes as now no casual player can simply abuse the drug system for quick money.
Great idea, let me update this on the server.
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Great idea, let me update this on the server.
Why do I feel, like that's sarcasm?
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Why do I feel, like that's sarcasm?
I don't know if you were serious about the idea you proposed.
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I don't know if you were serious about the idea you proposed.
I actually am. If this server wants to be successful to its "RP Self," this drug system is going to have to work like this, else the server will get abused more and more despite how everyone wants to fight it saying we're not.
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I actually am. If this server wants to be successful to its "RP Self," this drug system is going to have to work like this, else the server will get abused more and more despite how everyone wants to fight it saying we're not.
I better give up.
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I better give up.
I'm surprised how you didn't do it before
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I'm surprised how you didn't do it before
ok
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The ONLY people that can grow weed or order heroin are OFFICIAL Criminal Groups
No way in hell will we limit the growing of drugs to a specific status groups members only.
However the drug market is limited to Official and Recognized groups members.
I think the real issue on why Argonath is having its scripters fall apart is because it can't decide who it is. We MUST (Yes. WE. The community and its members must choose, what kind of community is this supposed to be) address the question. Are we a Light RP Community or are we a Freeroam Community? We can't have our cake and eat it.
Scripters fall apart? More like the disrespect from ungrateful members of the community that drive the developers away. The relentless disrespect and beating on their work, the lack of empathy or care given when talking about another persons work.
The developers and all of the staff are here giving up their time to help develop the server, to get things working for the players to make use of.
When people come out of their caves and start disrespecting the work of the developers and staff whilst blaming the developers for the player count when they (those shit-talking the current scripts and development) are not even active within the community for whatever reason they may have.
That's when it starts to get ridiculous, if one is not even active within the community to then come and voice your opinion and disrespect the work done, that's when things get personal and unacceptable.
Either start having scripts that involve force rp and having Closed groups or just stop the RP and allow everyone access to everything the server has to offer by letting players "do as they want," since "Anyone can be anything." (I personally vote for the Light RP.)
Scripts do not create roleplay nor should they be required for a player to roleplay. They are merely additions to roleplay, for example animations.
No script will be made that forces someone to roleplay.
The community will fall apart if it doesn't choose. End of Story. Best of Luck to you all. DSB out. :depature:
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The blue pill or the red pill?
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Holy fuck this turned around in another direction quick.
Can we just get back on topic not derail it like everything else.
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Scripters fall apart? More like the disrespect from ungrateful members of the community that drive the developers away. The relentless disrespect and beating on their work, the lack of empathy or care given when talking about another persons work.
The developers and all of the staff are here giving up their time to help develop the server, to get things working for the players to make use of.
When people come out of their caves and start disrespecting the work of the developers and staff whilst blaming the developers for the player count when they (those shit-talking the current scripts and development) are not even active within the community for whatever reason they may have.
That's when it starts to get ridiculous, if one is not even active within the community to then come and voice your opinion and disrespect the work done, that's when things get personal and unacceptable.
I think what I'm trying to say is that there is an issue with the community that is pushing the Scripters into a corner which they can't understand how to get out of. While I'm not one to talk since I don't exactly focus on the issue with drug scripts yet there is a pressing matter on hand where we got some members talking trash while other members support (Should they support). I'm not against the developers or what they design but perhaps it's a good idea to know just what kind of project you are going to construct here. You can't just make changes without knowing what you want your outcome to be. Are you making these changes to start a more Roleplay type of server or are you make changes to start a more Freeroam type of server.
Scripts do not create roleplay nor should they be required for a player to roleplay. They are merely additions to roleplay, for example animations.
No script will be made that forces someone to roleplay.
Scripts are a basis for roleplay, they are there to guide people into roleplaying and prevent abuse (at least in some cases). While you may think otherwise and laugh at that, I have seen how a server without much roleplay scripts function. It does seem like a nice idea but it's quite liberal. It's like having a pure democracy. It doesn't work. It won't work. It never will work. You can't trust the entire community to act right and roleplay properly. There has to be some way to control the roleplay. Saying that "It's merely additions to roleplay," is quite funny considering you can't use imagination to build roleplay. Can you use imagination to build up your house? No. You have to have something concrete to BUT you can use imagination to design what kind of house you want.
Point is. Scripts to build up Roleplay Access -> Community to use the Scripts and build Roleplay off of it -> Success
Although if you disagree with this, you may do so. I'm not trying to offend you, nor am I against you.
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The blue pill or the red pill?
Red pill. Show me how deep the Argonath Community really is. (You may contact my skype if you wish: darkshadowblade.)
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Amazing script !!!
Good job zaila amazing :)
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Ahahahahahaha sexy signature you got there DarkShadowBlade!
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Ahahahahahaha sexy signature you got there DarkShadowBlade!
This is so confusing i thought my post changed wtf
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If there were some Mikal's in SA:MP Argonath nobody would leave. :rolleyes:
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Scripters fall apart? More like the disrespect from ungrateful members of the community that drive the developers away. The relentless disrespect and beating on their work, the lack of empathy or care given when talking about another persons work.
The developers and all of the staff are here giving up their time to help develop the server, to get things working for the players to make use of.
I must agree, wether people like the scripts or not they should appreciate and live with them as the scripters have spent alot of their own private time writing them up for players to use.
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Original drug system suggestion idea. (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=46579.msg592767#msg592767)
We will use the term 'export' for the sell that will remove the drugs from server.
1. Only players with the position of clan leader can 'export' the drugs.
2. To export they need to go to secret, and randomly changing positions as otherwise the cops would just camp outside the export place.
3. If arrested while on their way gang leaders are forced to give up their drugs if any are found. They can avoid losing all by dividing the drugs to 'drugs runners' who they will tel the location to go to. This can be a RP job not exclusive to gang members, to confuse the cops.
4. Export opportunities will appear randomly, and be available for limited time.
Add those, and a higher price and no developer will have to give up on this community.
If you give up, what do you expect us to do ?
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If there were some Mikal's in SA:MP Argonath nobody would leave. :rolleyes:
Mikal u remember when I killed you and rusty in dayz when you were in a store :D ?
hahahaa fun days
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WE ARE NOT HERE TO F**KING MONEY FARM. What dont you guys understand?
They will higher the prices of the drug script when you higher your respect.
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WE ARE NOT HERE TO F**KING MONEY FARM. What dont you guys understand?
If that's so, why is there a fireman job ?
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Mikal u remember when I killed you and rusty in dayz when you were in a store :D ?
hahahaa fun days
I still hate you for that. On flip side I wish we still had a DayZ server I want to get back into playing it again.
Original drug system suggestion idea. (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=46579.msg592767#msg592767)
Add those, and a higher price and no developer will have to give up on this community.
If you give up, what do you expect us to do ?
Prices from the drug market can reach up to $40 as it is just have to get lucky every five days, though am sure the waiting time between price switching could be lowered.
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I still hate you for that. On flip side I wish we still had a DayZ server I want to get back into playing it again.
I was playing on a non-PVP 'creative' Arma 2 Dayz server a couple months ago, it got boring soo fast, and I find PVP servers annoying. :neutral2: