Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Claire on December 10, 2007, 11:54:46 pm
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This topic is about Evolution, and how they got started ect.
I will write my opnion soon.
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Whats evolution? :p
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This the movie, or the stuf about us evolving from micro organisms to apes to humans??
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Evolution is what people believe that "we" humans evolved from Micro Organism to fish to amphibian to apes then to humans.
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Ah right.....i'll post tommorrow, too tired atm :gn:
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Wait.. there are people that don't?
I have a serious problem believing the fact that some people don't "Believe" in Evolution. As Friends once put it, its like not believing in Gravity.
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I don't believe in it, cause I aint gonna believe shit untill I get some proof.
Gravity has been proved, evolution has not. It's not so obvious... Maybe in 20 years they will realize Evolution is not true, then I will be laughing at yo' face.
If you give me a reason why I should believe evolution, I will... please note that my science teacher didn't even succeed that quest.
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I aint gonna believe shit untill I get some proof.
Same here man :lol:
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You should not believe in evolution any more than you believe in gravity.
It is not a religion, nothing to guide your daily life. It is a theory that describes the currently most feasible theory about the development of life.
It does not handle the origin of life, or the origin of the universe.
Do I believe in evolution ? No
Do I think it happened ? yes.
Was there any external influence on the origin of man or the origin of life ? Anyone who was there can tell me.
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Do I believe in evolution ? No
Do I think it happened ? yes.
Interesting, very interesting. :)
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I don't believe in it, cause I aint gonna believe shit untill I get some proof.
Same here man :lol:
Especially for you guys I will melt down the mammoth from Iceage and I'll make him talk about our history :lol:
In my opinion there are to stories of evolution that I believe: 1. we came from microorganism and the 2. that aliens exists in universe.
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Atleast it sounds more realistic than a god making world, animals, humans etc.
But, who knows. :eek:
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Especially for you guys I will melt down the mammoth from Iceage and I'll make him talk about our history :lol:
we both know that mammoth can't talk... stupidanimatedfilmsthatmakesnosense...
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crap crap crap all of this is crap i dont believe
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we both know that mammoth can't talk... stupidanimatedfilmsthatmakesnosense...
Im not agree with you Abe, that those animations are senceless.. :conf:
And speaking about mammoth talks - that was a joke, man ;)
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I would've thought the blatant evidence of evolution around us would've made more people realise that it's a theory that's backed up by common sense, not solid proof. So many organisms have adapted to suit new and changing environments over the years, some have survived, some haven't. Survival of the fittest and evolution go together hand in hand. I don't understand why some people can't understand that.
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Whats evolution? :p
Darwins theory, that we evolved from monkeys and monkey evolved from...etc etc.
Of course I believe it, I bet that most europeans do. We believe in science.
I bet claire will try to persuade you to believe in that bible shit, don't fall for it.
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PMP Im atheist, :" Dont try to make me bad guy here
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PMP Im atheist, :" Dont try to make me bad guy here
Same here :D
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PMP Im atheist, :" Dont try to make me bad guy here
ahaha, sorry.
Just don't expect many people saying they don't believe.
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I think evolution is stupid and I wont believe it.
I cant believe that I was a monkey, I mean look at me :P
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ahaha, sorry.
Just don't expect many people saying they don't believe.
Darwins theory, that we evolved from monkeys and monkey evolved from...etc etc.
Of course I believe it, I bet that most europeans do. We believe in science.
I bet claire will try to persuade you to believe in that bibleuncultural shit, don't fall for it.
So explain your reasons.
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I think evolution is stupid and I wont believe it.
I cant believe that I was a monkey, I mean look at me :P
*cough*No*cough*difference*cough*at*cough*all!*cough*
jk :lol:
About the topic, I'll stay out of this subject.
Being real or not, it won't affect our lives anyways...
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*cough*No*cough*difference*cough*at*cough*all!*cough*
jk :lol:
About the topic, I'll stay out of this subject.
Being real or not, it won't affect our lives anyways...
It will affect your biology vision which can ultimately affect your studies.
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Would you beleive that 3,5 billions of years ago the Earth was just a messy ball of Volcanos and earthquakes? If you do, you can beleive also to the Evolution Theory. There are a lot of similar factors between Monkeys and Humans, this doesen't mean we were monkey, but that we both have the same "father" who was probably something similar to a Monkey we can suppose what happened 10-100-900.000 years ago but we can't be sure, anyway our prescendants were not evolved as we are. The Great question is not: Whats the origin of the Homo Sapiens, but, What made the homo sapiens more intelligent than the monkeys if we got the same origin.
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(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5876/theevolutionfanarton9.jpg)
YES i beilieve in revolution
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lol nice way of putting it. Very simple
(http://i11.tinypic.com/86i1vrk.jpg)
Real evolution here
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oh good god.
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You're making fun of science... :(
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I think evolution is stupid and I wont believe it.
I cant believe that I was a monkey, I mean look at me :P
Claire Humans and Apes/ Monkeys are very similar in bone structure, so you do look like one. Anyone who really think Humans or this solar system was created by a god.. Humans are imperfect and the fact that we created religion and the so called story of Christ well you can't really trust it can you? At least the part about god creating us.
So like the great Gandalf said.. we must know it happened not believe.
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I'd rather believe God created me then being born from monkey.
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I'd rather believe God created me then being born from monkey.
Well you can believe that, but doesn't mean that really happened.
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I'd rather believe God created me then being born from monkey.
Do you have brother or sisters?
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Then what came before the monkeys? and what came before that? and before that? and before that? etc etc... Now your "common sense" is kinda fucked up aint it?
That's why I don't believe in Evolution.
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PMP Im atheist, :" Dont try to make me bad guy here
gone wrong there - atheist = someone who doesn't believe in a god, obviously you didn't do R.E :razz:
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Then what came before the monkeys? and what came before that? and before that? and before that? etc etc... Now your "common sense" is kinda fucked up aint it?
That's why I don't believe in Evolution.
Micro organisms were brought to earth by aliens. There aim was to experiment creation of a planet with life in it, meanwhile they extinguish.
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some atoms eventually gain chemist plus abilities and from chemic reactions adopted living beings reactions.
Like prior to transforming thru chemic reactions CO2 they started breading it.
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Dave I said "I'd rather" that means I dont believe but I will acknowledge. Its a difference
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Micro organisms were brought to earth by aliens. There aim was to experiment creation of a planet with life in it, meanwhile they extinguish.
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some atoms eventually gain chemist plus abilities and from chemic reactions adopted living beings reactions.
Like prior to transforming thru chemic reactions CO2 they started breading it.
And god created the world in 7 days and 7 nights...
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Who believes aliens.....they have huge eyes and green skin?
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Who believes aliens.....they have huge eyes and green skin?
No, an 'alien' is a organism that is capable of basic vital signs of living on a different interstellar planet or mass. Aliens do exist, as microscopic bacteria was found on a rover launch to mars in the 1990's I believe. Don't believe idiotic stereotypes, it only reflects onto your thought and presents itself to everyone else as a sign of a lack of intelligence in the field in question.
Also, as I said, common sense should be enough proof for evolution. Millions of years ago, the planet was inhabited with amoeba, and look at us today. Evolution is a long and painstaking advance, but brings up results such as us, as we have adapted to the world around us. Look at desert animals, look at animals in arctic landscapes - they are undoubtedly suited to their environment from millions of years of trial and error by a natural process to create the organism perfectly deemed fit for that environment. If polar bears were taken out of the pole and moved to a warm climate, in a few hundred years they would've adapted to have no fur, as they wouldn't need to keep in warmth, and would have smaller paws, as they no longer need to spread their weight over a thin surface such as ice.
I'm sure we can all unanimously agree that as obvious, without resorting to believing a higher power changing them to that climate. Once again, it all boils down to common sense.
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Also, as I said, common sense should be enough proof for evolution. Millions of years ago, the planet was inhabited with amoeba
And what was there before the earth? and before ameba?
This is when your common sense fails.
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And what was there before the earth? and before ameba?
This is when your common sense fails.
But mine doesn't.
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I don't don't believe in it I just don't see the point in thinking about it, to be honest people can say we have similar bone structures to monkeys so what ?
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And what was there before the earth? and before ameba?
This is when your common sense fails.
Everything has a limit, including common sense, no matter how much I praise it. From there we can only speculate, but after the minisclue ball of mass responsible for the big bang erupted, giant lumps of elements and matter formed to what we have today. Amoeba was created by tiny carbon molecules, as was the earth. Science can predict what happened from then on. If anything, you've just backed up my point by allowing me to explain how common sense can bypass these boundaries, and think up new soloutions to these problems, rather then claiming it fails and trying to disprove it's usefulness.
Anyway, in May 2008, when the LHC is switched on, we'll understand it all.
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When you look to chemistry you see that molecules exits of atoms, atoms are electrons revolving around neutrons. There are differend kind of neutrons, as some have more and others have less electrons. When you examine neutrons, they look like little suns. Electrons look like little planets. We are living on one elctron of an atom in a molecule on DNA in a cell in a living person. That person lives on a platen that actually is just an electron...... I just broke my mind. :conf:
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When you look to chemistry you see that molecules exits of atoms, atoms are electrons revolving around neutrons. There are differend kind of neutrons, as some have more and others have less electrons. When you examine neutrons, they look like little suns. Electrons look like little planets. We are living on one elctron of an atom in a molecule on DNA in a cell in a living person. That person lives on a platen that actually is just an electron...... I just broke my mind. :conf:
:conf: :conf: :conf:
and broke mine, I guess you either have a good memory or do chemistry.
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When you look to chemistry you see that molecules exits of atoms, atoms are electrons revolving around neutrons. There are differend kind of neutrons, as some have more and others have less electrons. When you examine neutrons, they look like little suns. Electrons look like little planets. We are living on one elctron of an atom in a molecule on DNA in a cell in a living person. That person lives on a platen that actually is just an electron...... I just broke my mind. :conf:
Not quite since electrons don't describe elliptical trajectories like planets.
And like I was trying to explain, chemic elements also suffer transformations, you can say they are alive(noobishly), amoebas were very simple beeings, they were almost like molecules suffering chemical reactions.
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Everything has a limit, including common sense, no matter how much I praise it. From there we can only speculate, but after the minisclue ball of mass responsible for the big bang erupted, giant lumps of elements and matter formed to what we have today. Amoeba was created by tiny carbon molecules, as was the earth. Science can predict what happened from then on. If anything, you've just backed up my point by allowing me to explain how common sense can bypass these boundaries, and think up new soloutions to these problems, rather then claiming it fails and trying to disprove it's usefulness.
Anyway, in May 2008, when the LHC is switched on, we'll understand it all.
This is where once again common sense fails and makes up stupid ideas of who created the "everything" (god).
I'm an agnostic, I don't believe in anything untill I see some solid proof, as for I can not say I believe in evolution, cause your so called common sense just aint solid enough. There are many other possibilities then the fac that we where monkeys.
Ofc I do believe in some sort of evolution, that we have came from something else, and we have evolved. But I can't say I believe we have once been... fishes, monkeys or w/e.
Ofc the human body is build up with hundreds of cells, so a possibility is that we where actually built up like this, as we are now. That cells for billions of years ago made man, as we are now. But as time has passed we have lost all memory of our past etc.
There are many many many many many many ways to describe how we where "created", and therefor I stay neutral and say I don't believe in it, untill I see some proof.
So Really I can't say I dont' believe in it, but I don't know what to believe, as for I stay neutral untill I see the proof.
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You can always blame "the system". :bird:
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I bet claire will try to persuade you to believe in that bible shit, don't fall for it.
Insulting the feeling of religious people...
Warned...
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When you look to chemistry you see that molecules exits of atoms, atoms are electrons revolving around neutrons. There are differend kind of neutrons, as some have more and others have less electrons. When you examine neutrons, they look like little suns. Electrons look like little planets. We are living on one elctron of an atom in a molecule on DNA in a cell in a living person. That person lives on a platen that actually is just an electron...... I just broke my mind. :conf:
when you are going on that kind of loops then make it a bit longer Gandalf. Atoms consists of electrons, that are orbits around the atomic nucleus what is made of protons and neutrons. Protons and neutrons are made of even smaller particles called quarks and leptons.
Rest is more like philosophy.
now quarks and leptons are made of even smaller particles, little vibrating strings of energy. But strings can also expand. It expands as big as it makes the whole universe, which brings us back to the beginning.
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Insulting the feeling of religious people...
Warned...
Did I got rly warned? :wow:
It's just the way I talk. I wasn't trying to insult no one.
when you are going on that kind of loops then make it a bit longer Gandalf. Atoms consists of electrons, that are orbits around the atomic nucleus what is made of protons and neutrons. Protons and neutrons are made of even smaller particles called quarks and leptons.
Rest is more like philosophy.
now quarks and leptons are made of even smaller particles, little vibrating strings of energy. But strings can also expand. It expands as big as it makes the whole universe, which brings us back to the beginning.
I see you know some shit.
Help me explain to Abe how atoms can became living creatures.
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Please do explaine exactly how an atom becomes a living creature.
Also, I know what an atom is and what it can do, but everyone fails to tell me where the atom comes from.
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when you are going on that kind of loops then make it a bit longer Gandalf. Atoms consists of electrons, that are orbits around the atomic nucleus what is made of protons and neutrons. Protons and neutrons are made of even smaller particles called quarks and leptons.
Rest is more like philosophy.
now quarks and leptons are made of even smaller particles, little vibrating strings of energy. But strings can also expand. It expands as big as it makes the whole universe, which brings us back to the beginning.
That takes me back... a year or so... except I have never heard of leptons.
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I dont belive in it...
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Wait.. there are people that don't?
I have a serious problem believing the fact that some people don't "Believe" in Evolution. As Friends once put it, its like not believing in Gravity.
Then your friend is stupid to make such a comparison, Gravity has been proven, Evolution has not.
No, an 'alien' is a organism that is capable of basic vital signs of living on a different interstellar planet or mass. Aliens do exist, as microscopic bacteria was found on a rover launch to mars in the 1990's I believe. Don't believe idiotic stereotypes, it only reflects onto your thought and presents itself to everyone else as a sign of a lack of intelligence in the field in question.
That bateria that you speak of, was probably from that incident where a spacecraft a while back was found to have living organisms on board but it was then discovered that they were from Earth and only got onto the ship because people were not careful enough to protect the craft from getting unwanted living organisms from Earth such as bacteria before it left for space.
When you look to chemistry you see that molecules exits of atoms, atoms are electrons revolving around neutrons. There are differend kind of neutrons, as some have more and others have less electrons. When you examine neutrons, they look like little suns. Electrons look like little planets. We are living on one elctron of an atom in a molecule on DNA in a cell in a living person. That person lives on a platen that actually is just an electron...... I just broke my mind. :conf:
lol, wth?
I personally do believe in god and I somewhat belive in Evolution in a sense that living things have "evolved" to make them somewhat different to say thousands of years ago but not to the degree that an Ape become a Human after great evolution.
There is not enough evidence the make me consider the Darwin Theory as definitively true.
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Abraham atoms are the result of a big nuclear reaction.
Jubin, when I had chemistry the leptons were not yet discovered, or not accepted as existing. However I did always have the idea that smaller particles could provide the solution to nuclear radiation, if we would learn to control them.
As for apes to human, the forefathers we call apes were not like chimps or gorilla's, they are more like cousins than ancestors.
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im confused... :lol:
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Abraham atoms are the result of a big nuclear reaction.
And where'd that nuclear reaction come from?
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And where'd that nuclear reaction come from?
Hey I am not THAT old that I witnessed it :gand:
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Hey I am not THAT old that I witnessed it :gand:
lmao :rofl:
IMO bAbe, if you seek the origin of the origin of the origin, you will never end up with a good answer :conf:
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sry for offtopic:
Abraham you say that you don't believe in something until you get some proofs. Ok then how do you know you even exists? What proof you got? Your mom told you that she gave birth to you. Well everybody lies. You have video proof? Can be fake. Now comes a question if I haven't been born do I exists? Of course I exists because I think. But how can I be sure that it is not just an illusion what universe has created for me and actually you still do not exists. I am alive because I sense ( see, touch, hear, taste...) so I am alive and do exists. Another illusion created by the "system". If you even read this text is it really created by another guy in Estonia who also does not exists or is it just your own thoughts that has been created by the universe for yourself to see?
That is what your agnosticism goes to.
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Agnosticism cercuts around religion, and the theory of evolution contredicts most religions. As for I pointed out, I'm an agnostic and will not believe in any religion untill I see wich one is the "real deal".
Also, I never said I believe that I exist... If you've read my previous topic it clearly states that I believe this is an an illution and I do not believe in humanity.
BUT, I believe in living this illution to its fullest until I shall one day see the real world. (the real religion)
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And what was there before the earth? and before ameba?
This is when your common sense fails.
Nothing... one day the universe woke up and said hello and there was our Solar System, the end Abraham.. its logic to know things happen naturally and that natural selection is real.
Human- Caveman type- early human- ape- monkey- bacteria- nothing
What happened was a special event, a rare process that occured and created bacteria then it evolved, Humans are here because of great chance and natural selection.
Unless what PMP said.. and I sort of believe this.. Aliens came to this planet when it was lifeless, nothing and dropped some life onto the planet and after millions of years and the aliens still watching there experiment humans are here. Who knows the real purpose of Human life, we could be accident or purpose.. we only know when we find other intellgent life out in space that know the ''real deal''
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And what was there before the earth? and before ameba?
This is when your common sense fails.
A theory is, as the expanding universe.. expands... it will eventually reach its limit, then shrink, until it compresses...
No wait, forget it, I can't remember it... but, maybe I will go through my physics notes at some point, I find it really interesting.
As for evolution, it's the theory that I think is plausible, as it makes most sense to me- That doesn't really interest me though, I'd rather find out how big the universe is.... :lol:
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perhaps aliens put dinosaurs on Earth, then decided they sucked at life and killed them all and had a idea for Humans.. who knows for sure
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What if god made us, and we evolved into more and more people, then we turned around and killed his son, if god was so mighty and powerful, why didnt he stop all of our pain and suffering we recive daily, whether its from money troubles, disease, social problems?
Two reasons.
he dosent care for us
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he dosent exist...
Religion is just belife...
Blame it on god.
-Hayden
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But which god to blame ?
Christian god ?
Jewish god ?
Muslim god ?
Buddhist god ?
Norsk gods ?
Greek gods ?
So many choices...... :conf:
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But which god to blame ?
Christian god ?
Jewish god ?
Muslim god ?
Buddhist god ?
Norsk gods ?
Greek gods ?
So many choices...... :conf:
Blame the birds who craps in our cars then :bird: :rofl:
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So many choices...... :conf:
My point exactly...
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What if god made us, and we evolved into more and more people, then we turned around and killed his son, if god was so mighty and powerful, why didnt he stop all of our pain and suffering we recive daily, whether its from money troubles, disease, social problems?
Two reasons.
he dosent care for us
or
he dosent exist...
Religion is just belife...
Blame it on god.
-Hayden
But which god to blame ?
Christian god ?
Jewish god ?
Muslim god ?
Buddhist god ?
Norsk gods ?
Greek gods ?
So many choices...... :conf:
As hayden said that we(Romans) killed God's son then we can exclude following:
Jewish God
Buddhist god
Norsk gods
Greek gods
Muslims god
so only one remains is Christian god.
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I believe jewish, muslim and christian god is the same.
also buddist doesn't have a god.
Also, Jubin, Hayden did base his post on the christian god...
What if god made us, and we evolved into more and more people, then we turned around and killed his son
I believe this is Jesus, "gods son" according to the christian bible.
Also, this could be the rastafari.
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I really don't know what to believe, i believe in the catholic religion of Jesus Christ cos i was brought up to believe it, but i sometimes think if there even is a God, or anything else, i choose not to think about it, i really don't know, i really believe that all humans should know about their past, for example the past of their family's and their country's but anything beyond that, then i don't know.
Anto
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I believe jewish, muslim and christian god is the same.
also buddist doesn't have a god.
Also, Jubin, Hayden did base his post on the christian god...
I believe this is Jesus, "gods son" according to the christian bible.
Also, this could be the rastafari.
Muslims nor Jews do not accept Jesus as God's son, so yeah he meant the christian god, never said the opposite.
And budism has gods not the way of " creator of all" but in other forms.
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Muslims nor Jews do not accept Jesus as God's son, so yeah he meant the christian god, never said the opposite.
And budism has gods not the way of " creator of all" but in other forms.
But the Greek and Roman gods had sons. As did the Norsk.
And who says that the story of Hayden is the right one?
It may be one of the others who is right.
And how about the Egyptian Gods ?
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We all have different believes, i dont believe in jesus christ, I have my belief in Asgaard and Æsir, where the old gods Odin,Thor and Frey lived in, jesus have never been in my life only the old mighty gods from Asgaard
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But the Greek and Roman gods had sons. As did the Norsk.
And who says that the story of Hayden is the right one?
It may be one of the others who is right.
And how about the Egyptian Gods ?
True, I am not very familiar with mythology, can you Gandalf say any human who have slayed a god's son in any of these mythologies. I mean regular warrior, no god's son who is half-god and half-human.
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I don't belive it. We don't have proof of evolution or God. But a God made more sense than mud and a lightning strike bring us into existance to me. The idea of a God speaks better. Though I belive in God 100% I do not lable therories such as the Big Bank as impossible. For all we know, mabey God created the universe or mabey The Big Bang created God and then God made the universe. Nobody will ever know this kind of shit for sure.