Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: KelviNC on September 20, 2014, 12:18:51 pm
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As we all know, BSF got closed. We can see that there're many companies opening now. How about getting the BSF back?
BSF gave an excellent opportunity for those who were running a business. It was like a government subsidy or grant issued to those who were keen to get their businesses up. Government involvement as BSF is necesarry here to hand out atleast initiating funds to the company owner. Atlast the businesses need some of the government help to atleast hand up at their own. What do you guys think?
Well, I don't want the same system to be implemented, which made some of the people millionaire at that time (RS4) including me. What about $50k to each company, but they should be approved by BSF management. I was a part of BSF as a manager and I know how it works. I'll hope that this will be considered.
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Supported. Atleast the companies might need some sort of grant to start off their businesses. For example preparing a HQ, getting vehicles, some of the capital reserved for the wages and other expenses.
Government can charge tax from the businesses on the other hand if needed.
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Came up with an idea. Like everyone company should have 10-15 members/employees to get themselves supported by BSF.
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Would be nice.
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This could be implemented for business groups as a perk, like the official mafias/groups get HQ's, vehicles etc. We would have official business corporations, who have proven to be active, organised, professional and have their unique style. Supported.
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Supported.
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Supported.
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I'd also like to show my support in this idea as I believe BSF would make jobs like driver/towtrucker more used, which we all would like to see.
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No.
If you want your company to be successful, find a way to make money while paying your workers fairly.
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Supported.
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This should be brought up at the Provisional State Assembly.
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BSF supplied money to any group that was registered with them, whether members roleplayed/actually did any work or not.
There is no way to simply "introduce" or spawn money on RS5 therefore BSF would have to find their own funds to supply others with if it was to be introduced.
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BSF supplied money to any group that was registered with them, whether members roleplayed/actually did any work or not.
There is no way to simply "introduce" or spawn money on RS5 therefore BSF would have to find their own funds to supply others with if it was to be introduced.
What do you think about payment from Government? A department within the government can easily be formed to help those businesses in need of some cash to start off. We're not telling the organization to pay the owners weekly, but how about some of the in the initial stage?
No.
If you want your company to be successful, find a way to make money while paying your workers fairly.
Suggest me some.
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Unsupported.
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There is no way to simply "introduce" or spawn money on RS5
Why there is no way, isn't there able to give money to people from Database?
Just say that HQ doesn't want to ruin the economy like it was in RS4 where millions were given away day by day from one guy to another...
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Supported, this will significantly help Argonath's crisis and get it back to where it was a year ago.
This time, there should be more restrictions with the BSF before money is issued. Fingers crossed this goes through, I miss the old Argonath.
An example of restriction may be;
To get BSF funds, the company must have a minimum of 10 players. Those 10 players should have played Argonath for atleast 2 months.
Regulations like this reduces the chances of the economy fucking up.
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Special Treatment Fund..
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Supported.
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100% supported.
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I was the first contract holder of Argonath Business Support Fund.
All of my contracts with BSF was good for both the server and contract holder employees, when I saw shitty excuse for companies and groups just applying and being dished out money, I was furious.
Those players who found their way into the VIP Committee and authorized the destruction of the economy should have gotten strict punishments for allocating state funds which counted as an abuse of state funds and abuse of spawning money (regardless of where or how they got access to it).
In my opinion, they got off lightly (BSF was simply closed and they probably just got a verbal warning if at most).
BSF ruined the economy of RS4.1.
It was abused by groups.
NOT AT ALL SUPPORTED UNLESS.
- The funds from the State Bank was used for financial support
- Proper criteria for supporting businesses only - and not EVENTS or Charity.
- Proper Workers was used. not just some rookies running the organization, role play or not, they have to have decent understanding of economy and economics.
- BSF did not simply pay the company employees wages.
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Waiting for HQ input on this, this is virtually the key to bring back Argonath.
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Special Treatment Fund..
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NOT SUPPORT
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Waiting for HQ input on this, this is virtually the key to bring back Argonath.
Pretty sure it's just the key to create lazyness where nobody want's to 'work' for their virtual money.
Why create something that makes people strive for cash instead of roleplay, that's all BSF was even if you force BSF-group members to upload screenshots of their so called 'RP', on some of the business topics that had BSF a while back I used to laugh so hard at how extremely bad some of the roleplay uploaded in pictures was, sometimes it was just a guy with a van by himself doing "/me loads goods" > drives to destination > "/me unloads goods" and then getting paid like 30k a week just for doing that, honestly BSF is one of the things that brought Argonath down, it didn't encourage group RP situations and honestly, I bet tons of money ended up where it wasn't supposed to be, either it wasn't regulated enough or it was just BSF as a whole that was the problem, BSF is not the way to create RP, it's just another way for players to get money, and from what I can tell even though I haven't been able to play on the server in a while there are already lots of ways to make money.
All it ended up being was:
Special Treatment Fund..
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Pretty sure it's just the key to create lazyness where nobody want's to 'work' for their virtual money.
Why create something that makes people strive for cash instead of roleplay, that's all BSF was even if you force BSF-group members to upload screenshots of their so called 'RP', on some of the business topics that had BSF a while back I used to laugh so hard at how extremely bad some of the roleplay uploaded in pictures was, sometimes it was just a guy with a van by himself doing "/me loads goods" > drives to destination > "/me unloads goods" and then getting paid like 30k a week just for doing that, honestly BSF is one of the things that brought Argonath down, it didn't encourage group RP situations and honestly, I bet tons of money ended up where it wasn't supposed to be, either it wasn't regulated enough or it was just BSF as a whole that was the problem, BSF is not the way to create RP, it's just another way for players to get money, and from what I can tell even though I haven't been able to play on the server in a while there are already lots of ways to make money.
All it ended up being was:
Let's suppose I am not talking about BSF, let's suppose I am not talking about getting monthly support, let's suppose I am not talking about BSF encouraging "laziness." What if an owner wants to register his business in the directory, but he doesn't have enough reserved capital to cover the expenses? If your answer to this will be that he should earn the money before starting the business, it will take ages to earn such capital to even cover two month's wages.
I found a way to create an era to pay the wages to the employees and it is the policy I am running my current company on. But the problem is, it's my interest to run the business and therefore I am paying the people by my own expenses. But what will an owner get by running a business? He's just covering the expenses, he's not earning anything.
Government's involvement here gets necessary. Why? Well they need to hand some initial stage cash to the ones interested in a business. Everyone will come to receive the funds and then keep it for themselves? No, they will not if you create a proper organization for registering and considering applications of the ones who are actually there with the intention of one. Use proper application form, with all of the information you guys have to ensure before handing the starting cash to run the business. Once the business has received the starting cash, they will have some support to actually get vehicles, getting resources employed and etc.
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NOT SUPPORT
Oh really.
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Totally supported. It'll help people making their businesses sucessfull simultaneously with boosting the economy and creating jobs among the companies. For who just said "Not Supported" and left, maybe you can support your opinion by explaining why.
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explaining why.
*cough* Roman Collin *cough*
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Let me explain very quickly why BSF shouldn't be available ever again.
The concept is simply unfeasible and always abusable. It has proven in the past to be a problem for the economy though some companies actually used the money as intended and followed the original vision the rest simply did not. I think it's important to survey and understand the working economics of a server before simply introducing money into the economy. BSF was never limited or regulated like it should have been to prevent severe economic instability. If however it does come back it needs to have a separate regulatory agency just to maintain that the money moves as intended. Also limitations the previous system was based on employee count and never paid more than a set amount per employee count of ten, this caused companies to just add members to their rosters in an almost fraud sort of way but also when a company exceeded fifteen employees they were only to receive a set amount no matter how many more thus limiting potential of specific companies. It would take a lot to make BSF work the way it was intended more than should be funded by the state.
If anything should happen it should commence towards banks instead of money spawn agencies. I have a lot of experience with BSF starting out from an ASM rising to the vice of it and the entire time I seen BSF do more harm than good.
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Let me explain very quickly why BSF shouldn't be available ever again.
The concept is simply unfeasible and always abusable. It has proven in the past to be a problem for the economy though some companies actually used the money as intended and followed the original vision the rest simply did not. I think it's important to survey and understand the working economics of a server before simply introducing money into the economy. BSF was never limited or regulated like it should have been to prevent severe economic instability. If however it does come back it needs to have a separate regulatory agency just to maintain that the money moves as intended. Also limitations the previous system was based on employee count and never paid more than a set amount per employee count of ten, this caused companies to just add members to their rosters in an almost fraud sort of way but also when a company exceeded fifteen employees they were only to receive a set amount no matter how many more thus limiting potential of specific companies. It would take a lot to make BSF work the way it was intended more than should be funded by the state.
If anything should happen it should commence towards banks instead of money spawn agencies. I have a lot of experience with BSF starting out from an ASM rising to the vice of it and the entire time I seen BSF do more harm than good.
I did not see you do anything to amend BSF issues at the time.
I wanted a public inquiry.
I would accept nothing less than a complete public scrutiny of BSF if it was EVER to return. (although it will probably only ever return if State bank money is used) with a committee which answers to the public if needed, on a weekly basis.
Also the members of the committee should be made up of a working quorum of 10 which 5 must be public and should not hold contracts with BSF and they should not represent the state officially in anything else.
They did not heed my warnings at the time and it ruined the economy.
I still think they (each of the members of BSF) should be sent to Mordor for their 30 minutes of punishment! But hey ho, it's RS5 now.
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I'd like to see it return but very different than the past BSF.
Conditions:
- No money is spawned, and it is not free. BSF should be a argonath bank government business loan with a quite low interest rate.
- Not everyone should be eligible to deter abuse. Credit history should be done and a criminal background check ran by the FBI.
- Approved clients should sign a contract with conditions and contract may be terminated at any time by Argonath Bank.
- Money should be used for business and business related transactions only. If caught using for personal purposes, Argonath bank should reserve the right to terminate client's contract, and call in the debt via court.
- Should the money be used to launder criminal activities, and if caught, FBI will investigate and client must pay back the money, and/or lose assets, and serve time in Mordor.
etc, etc, etc
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I'd like to see it return but very different than the past BSF.
Conditions:
- No money is spawned, and it is not free. BSF should be a argonath bank government business loan with a quite low interest rate.
Argonath needs to review its entire structure first before doing stuff like that
- Not everyone should be eligible to deter abuse. Credit history should be done and a criminal background check ran by the FBI.
FBI would take the position as Federal Bank Workers?
- Approved clients should sign a contract with conditions and contract may be terminated at any time by Argonath Bank.
That was the case before.
- Money should be used for business and business related transactions only. If caught using for personal purposes, Argonath bank should reserve the right to terminate client's contract, and call in the debt via court.
that's what it was used for before but it had no reservations on what part of teh businesses the money can be used for.
Instead of a business getting a grant of $50,000 for a truck for example, the business got $50,000 and was then told spend it how you want, just show us an f8.
I really do not think the people running BSF had a clue what they was doing.
- Should the money be used to launder criminal activities, and if caught, FBI will investigate and client must pay back the money, and/or lose assets, and serve time in Mordor.
etc, etc, etc
And the BSF people who authorized the money would be Investigated.
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Let's suppose I am not talking about BSF, let's suppose I am not talking about getting monthly support, let's suppose I am not talking about BSF encouraging "laziness." What if an owner wants to register his business in the directory, but he doesn't have enough reserved capital to cover the expenses? If your answer to this will be that he should earn the money before starting the business, it will take ages to earn such capital to even cover two month's wages.
I found a way to create an era to pay the wages to the employees and it is the policy I am running my current company on. But the problem is, it's my interest to run the business and therefore I am paying the people by my own expenses. But what will an owner get by running a business? He's just covering the expenses, he's not earning anything.
Government's involvement here gets necessary. Why? Well they need to hand some initial stage cash to the ones interested in a business. Everyone will come to receive the funds and then keep it for themselves? No, they will not if you create a proper organization for registering and considering applications of the ones who are actually there with the intention of one. Use proper application form, with all of the information you guys have to ensure before handing the starting cash to run the business. Once the business has received the starting cash, they will have some support to actually get vehicles, getting resources employed and etc.
Exactly. As a business owner I know there is no way to have both the owner AND the employees profit, it's either or. And currently it means that I pay my employees from my own pocket.
TiMoN encountered this issue with his trucking company. He tried to make both the owner and the employees profit. Of course, it could not work. The employees may have just quit the company and make more profit on their own without needing to follow orders/guidlines/schedules.
Then your business will fail since you're not making a profit at all. The drivers may simply do their own jobs on their own without needing to follow a set of rules and guidelines (work on their own time without time restrictions) and still make their money. It therefore makes the business unneeded. Good day now.
Bringing BSF back with possibly restrictions (many good suggestions were mentioned earlier) would fix this problem.
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Exactly. As a business owner I know there is no way to have both the owner AND the employees profit, it's either or. And currently it means that I pay my employees from my own pocket.
TiMoN encountered this issue with his trucking company. He tried to make both the owner and the employees profit. Of course, it could not work. The employees may have just quit the company and make more profit on their own without needing to follow orders/guidlines/schedules.
Bringing BSF back with possibly restrictions (many good suggestions were mentioned earlier) would fix this problem.
You clearly do not understand business.
What is this faff about "employees can not profit".
The employees are indeed there to make money for themselves, but, YOU NEED them to make yourself money.
Companies main costs tends to be Employees most of the time.
If you do not know how to make a profitable business, you're in the wrong.
If you think you can make money without employees, go ahead.
State should not give you a wage when you can not even show profitability.
If you do not have money to start a business, do not start a business. It's as simple as that.
When I opened my café (which I later sold) with my brother, we spent £7500 doing it up from scratch. With £5000 set aside for working capital. With £2500 set aside for an emergency fund.
As we worked there we accepted a humble wage of £150 a week each which came out of profit, not some fancy government initiative. Food was eaten in the Café so we did not need to worry about "Groceries" and we could take advantage of the inevitable's in a food business (just eat what was low / soon to expire, what was the cheapest, still was blood fantastic).
Seriously, I can't even bother to explain anymore... you seem to have no clue about business...
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After reading the posts, there are some who support and some who don't. If a member of HQ would initially approve the idea of BSF to return, I will go into detail about my idea of how BSF should be run.
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You clearly do not understand business.
What is this faff about "employees can not profit".
The employees are indeed there to make money for themselves, but, YOU NEED them to make yourself money.
Companies main costs tends to be Employees most of the time.
If you do not know how to make a profitable business, you're in the wrong.
If you think you can make money without employees, go ahead.
State should not give you a wage when you can not even show profitability.
If you do not have money to start a business, do not start a business. It's as simple as that.
When I opened my café (which I later sold) with my brother, we spent £7500 doing it up from scratch. With £5000 set aside for working capital. With £2500 set aside for an emergency fund.
As we worked there we accepted a humble wage of £150 a week each which came out of profit, not some fancy government initiative. Food was eaten in the Café so we did not need to worry about "Groceries" and we could take advantage of the inevitable's in a food business (just eat what was low / soon to expire, what was the cheapest, still was blood fantastic).
Seriously, I can't even bother to explain anymore... you seem to have no clue about business...
So according to you the chairman should also do the mechanic's work. No, that's just not how it works. The mechanics do their work and the chairman keeps the business organized. How often did you see Steve Jobs assembling iPhones?
Oh, and you know why it is hard to gain profit as a business? Well, let's say you work as a mechanic in a company. The company let's you keep your 50 dollars (example) for a repair you did. The trick here is that you can gain the same 50 dollars WITHOUT being part of a company, so why would someone want to work under the guidelines and rules of a company when they can make the same money individually? And if the company gives out paychecks, the company has no profit. And no, CEOs and charimen do not do repairs and such so don't say I should work.