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Title: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: CBFasi on December 15, 2007, 04:21:36 pm
 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

These images show just a fantastic example of the abuse that this feature is causing...

SF had at the time just one person on duty, and as you can see I had NO chance of intercepting this individual!

Move it to LS as at least there are normally far more cops, giving a chance for the suspect to get caught rather that running unopposed.

The /cancelsuspect could be brought back, for captains and chiefs as in thoery they should have the suitable experience to make a fair choice, anyone junoir would have to present justification for the request to a senior rank.
AND if they are found abusing it then demote them!

This shows where I was when I got rammed into the water!, anyone who knows it, knows its a long swim to get out!
(http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/13043718.jpg)
Big version (http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/13043718.jpg)

The intial reaction, suspect, can even tell its on purpose, not just accidental.
(http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/12548484.jpg)
Big version (http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/12548484.jpg)

He has reached the church and confessed, and I still swimming
(http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/12577062.jpg)
Big version (http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/12577062.jpg)
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Carhartt on December 15, 2007, 04:33:26 pm
I think there shall be a chance to get rid of the wanted level, but i am also missing the /cancelsuspect ID <reason> command.
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Jnn on December 15, 2007, 05:29:41 pm
I kinda agree with you, it's not cool when people just run to the church to get rid of their wanted level.

I liked /cancelsuspect more, to be honest. :neutral:
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Austin on December 15, 2007, 05:41:35 pm
I fully agree. I also liked the /cancelsuspect command, because when some is getting abused, its easier to cancel it...  :cop:

But thats my opinion...
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: CBFasi on December 15, 2007, 06:16:28 pm
Another one..

(http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/20452718s.jpg)
Bigger Piccy (http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/20452718s.jpg)

The response again says it all..
(http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/20523921s.jpg)
Biggey Piccy (http://www.cbfasi.co.uk/samp/20523921s.jpg)

So far today EVERY criminal in SF has ran straight for the church!!!

SF cops have almost NO chance!!!

And yes I am getting more and more annoyed with SF and hows it treated.

Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Tovenaarke on December 15, 2007, 07:10:50 pm
Isn't there a opportunity to make the church a big entre fee? Like 1k or something... And add /cancelsuspect to chiefs an captains (even officers)?

When it's 1k entrance, less ppl would take the church. Its better they gave up and /gu or just die...

Of cource when there is a event going on (wedding, funeral...) the fee would be less (even 0$)

Greerz

- Officer Tovenaarke
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Pandalink on December 15, 2007, 07:27:57 pm
To be honest, there was no problem with any cancelsuspect abuse in 0.2.1, so why can't everybody use it? Especially when many of the Chiefs and Captains aren't trusted, I think it would be better if everybody could (even Free Cops). When before you could just spawn, even then there was no trouble.

Also, if you wish to charge money for confess, then it should charge for the actual /confess command rather than the enter, then the Church is free as it should be.
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Tovenaarke on December 15, 2007, 07:42:25 pm
Totally agree Panda....

 :cop:

(only /canselsuspect for chiefs, captains, officers and cadets would be better) :-)
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Watti on December 15, 2007, 07:46:31 pm
guys... Why get rid of it??... i have seen no abuse...

Cops already have alot of optoions... i dont agree with /cancelsu.. for cops.. i think admins only
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: CBFasi on December 15, 2007, 07:57:05 pm
Come to Sf by yourself and try and enforce law...

At the moment its possible to kill a cop multiple times outside the cathedral and get away with it..

And yes I have been killed outside that cathedral, often now just letting them go as I dont have the means to arrest or  take down guys with automatics that can confess at will.

The idea of the 1k linked to confess might be better, but rather than on entry, make it on use of the confess command.  A 'donation' to cathedral funds??
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on December 15, 2007, 08:08:31 pm
Watti, Do you know why you see no abuse with it?

cause you never play :lol:


-Hayden
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Watahell on December 15, 2007, 08:13:37 pm
Totally agreed CB. People abuse it very often.
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: dan_lcfc on December 15, 2007, 08:39:08 pm
Well actually, you can only confess with a 1 star wanted level (or at least I think you can). Therefore, you cannot kill a cop multiple times and get away with it as murder gets you 4 stars....
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Pandalink on December 15, 2007, 11:23:44 pm
guys... Why get rid of it??... i have seen no abuse...

Cops already have alot of optoions... i dont agree with /cancelsu.. for cops.. i think admins only

No, I refuse to leave another thing up to the Argonath Admins..

Thats a piece from MTA that was somewhat ineffective at times, and I believe that Cops should have that right, particularly to solve their own ID Errors and the such.

SO many times I have seen maybe a new Cop go "Ok, I'm sorry that was wrong to suspect you, how do I undo it?". And of course, the only way is to go to San Fierro. At which point we are slaughtered by Cops just waiting at the Cathedral (I'm looking at you, Jenn  :roll:).
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: [GSF]Niall on December 16, 2007, 12:10:55 am
Well actually, you can only confess with a 1 star wanted level (or at least I think you can). Therefore, you cannot kill a cop multiple times and get away with it as murder gets you 4 stars....

was going to say that :)
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: CBFasi on December 16, 2007, 01:26:55 am
When I meant multiple times I meant confessing between each kill..

As for the wanted level, I presume thats based on the number of reports (if so explains something from earlier)
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: dan_lcfc on December 16, 2007, 01:49:25 am
When I meant multiple times I meant confessing between each kill..

As for the wanted level, I presume thats based on the number of reports (if so explains something from earlier)

Incorrect.
You get a 4 star wanted level when you kill someone. You can only confess with a 1 star level. So you cannot confess when you kill an officer or anyone else.

was going to say that :)

 :)
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Gandalf on December 16, 2007, 12:13:20 pm
Cancelsuspect was taken away from cops because of abuse. Some gangs would have one member as cop to cancelsuspect them once they got suspected.
Also there would be suspect for 'lol' reasons, and then cancel. If it comes back it will be for captains and chiefs only, and should be used only in case of mistakes.
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: [GSF]Niall on December 16, 2007, 12:19:11 pm
lol yeah like yesterday ints jumped out of the heli i was driving and it helikilled him and i got suspected  :lol:
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Kojak on December 16, 2007, 06:21:58 pm
Quote from: The Rules
Being wanted and CHASED you cannot just run into cathedral for confess. You have to surrender in this situation.

Any player who is being pursued by the police and uses /confess is breaking the rules and should be dealt with accordingly. Back to the real world... I know that this is very difficult to enforce so it may be necessary to find a workaround.

Entry to the cathedral must be free or very low cost so making a $1000 entrance fee is untenable. Aragorn or Gandalf, can /confess be changed so it costs the suspect money to use it?

I think the most effective workaround is actually far broader than this. Remove /confess, give cops /cancelsuspect and then restrict the role of cop. The cop position is given as opposed to taken and is a privilege not a right. It is linked to your account so only authorised accounts can select the cop skin. This will ensure that only responsible players get to be a cop, cops who break the rules can then be suspended or fired. Is this technically possible?

Elrond

Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Gandalf on December 16, 2007, 06:32:00 pm
It is possible to make the cancelsuspect connected to ARPD level.
But the /confess was made to avoid players having to look for a cop to correct a mistake suspect, and it can still serve that purpose.
Perhaps adding a /bribe command would be helpful.
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: Pandalink on December 16, 2007, 08:00:16 pm
/bribe Cop_Man 500

Cop_Man, Panda_Solonik is offering you a Bribe of $500.

/acceptbribe = cancelsuspect, $500 paid.
/declinebribe = Nothing happens
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: CBFasi on December 18, 2007, 12:16:57 pm
But the /confess was made to avoid players having to look for a cop to correct a mistake suspect, and it can still serve that purpose.
Perhaps adding a /bribe command would be helpful.

Problem is that it may have been intended as a means of correcting mistakes, but its being used for all the legit crimes too
Title: Re: Can we just get rid of confess!!
Post by: VMNT on December 18, 2007, 02:12:26 pm
Problem is that it may have been intended as a means of correcting mistakes, but its being used for all the legit crimes too


That doesn't look right for some reason hehe.
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