Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: rid on December 25, 2014, 10:28:20 pm
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This has been happening for quite a while now.
Every suspect tends to be chased by an annihilator (sometimes even two!). Helis make your /rhl take longer because they can easily keep up with you - that I am fine with, no problems, it's a good thing.
However, I believe Annihilators should only be used in robberies (where there is money involved), RP events and maybe chasing suspects who killed someone, were part of gang fights or anything like that.
Taking down a suspect who evaded a traffic stop with an Annihilator is quite overkill and it just screams "LAME!".
Let the driving cops do their work!
Because of this i've been going on the underground railroads more often. This is something cops do not like either. I've had PMs from cops to ask me to go back up to the surface. With Annihilators, you can bet on it that I won't do that so often. So maybe it's time to limit the Annihilator? Not saying to completely remove it.
Annihilator does not require any special skill to be able to kill a suspect. It's just shoot and keep shooting. I've even witnessed one case where an Annihilator pilot killed a fellow cop. I admit that having some skill in it turns the odds even more in the law's favor (getting a bit ahead of the suspect and then turn to shoot on the sides, for example).
Also, a minimum height rule could be added. I've seen some dangerously low Annihilators plowing through the roads just trying to get that kill. Something like a 5 meters above rule?
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LCPD Regulations:
14. LCPD operative is allowed to call NOOSE backup ONLY:
A. When LCPD and/or FBI cannot handle the situation.
B. When there is threat of terrorist attack.
C. When there is a hostage situation.
D. When suspects are barricaded in a building.
E. For transporting of highly dangerous fugitive(s).
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The only rule that would apply for most of my cases when I've had Annihilators after me would be:
A. When LCPD and/or FBI cannot handle the situation.
So you're saying LCPD / FBI are getting more and more incapable? Getting an Annihilator relatively soon in a chase feels a bit ridiculous.
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The only rule that would apply for most of my cases when I've had Annihilators after me would be:
A. When LCPD and/or FBI cannot handle the situation.
So you're saying LCPD / FBI are getting more and more incapable? Getting an Annihilator relatively soon in a chase feels a bit ridiculous.
Keep in mind they can engage suspects in supercars while no HSP Units are free or if you are a high ranked suspect (Dark orange)
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Most of these times I was not in a supercar (if not all). I was generally in heavy vehicles (Patriot, rarely Phantom).
NOOSE has police Patriots.
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Most of these times I was not in a supercar (if not all). I was generally in heavy vehicles (Patriot, rarely Phantom).
NOOSE has police Patriots.
If you think a NOOSE member is miss-using it feel free to use this topic (http://noose.argonathrpg.net/forum/index.php?board=12.0).
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I'm not gonna register in yet another website just for that.
And no one would give a damn if I reported some fellow high ranked players.
My suggestion still stands.
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You don't like the Annihilator coming after you? Don't be a suspect when a potential pilot is around.
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You don't like the Annihilator coming after you? Don't be a suspect then.
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As already mentioned above, there are strict procedures for the usage of the Annihlator. It's the suspects behavior what makes the Annhilator chase you.
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Sorry, then it just means they're breaking the rules.
A. When LCPD and/or FBI cannot handle the situation.
Let them try first then. Just today I got chased by a couple officers in their police cars. No FBI, no Noose. Few mins later (probably not even 5) I get an Annihilator after me.
Is this good? Certainly not.
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Better rp with cops theb just evading blah...
More annhilitors - no copbaiting and criminals will more rp....
Its not all about evading..
Its enough cops have slow cruisers and criminals comet.inernus..etc
And + client is bad we can't blow your tires or so.
If you want to evade so good study the map like dell...
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Dell generally uses fast cars (Sultan RS, for example).
Almost all the times I was running away from an Annihilator was with a slow vehicle, typically slower than cop cruisers.
Yes you can't pop our tires. Deal with it. Cars don't have damage either, that would really help criminals in chases (a lot of cops hit eachother, all the time), so for you guys it's actually good that there is no damage.
I kindly advise you to read the topic and understand what it is about before replying.
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Currently HSRD is not operational ( Still recruiting ) but I think once they become active these regulations may change, for now if you think someone is abusing it, I would suggest you to report it.
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i dont wana say this anymore but cops tend to overpower suspects. think im gonna start using the underground railtrack from now on, fair enough on the criminal side. i suggest all the criminals out there do the same as well. if the cops can have extraordinary privileges, im gonna have my own privileges too like having to carkill a cop and speed off just because im surrounded by a few of them, RP included ofcourse. dont block the way or get killed sorry
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I just don't see the point here. I mean, you hate getting killed by a Annihilator or what? nobody stops you from using fast cars , nobody stops you from becoming a criminal and evading like a pr0. Now you are saying that you hate getting yourself chased by annihilator. NOOSE and FBI have strict procedures for the use of annihilators (AS Martjin mentioned above). They are not breaking rules , have you ever counted the no. of cops on the time of your chase? Whenever i chase a suspect , a Annihilator comes for help when there are a mere 2 or 3 cops. i never saw a annihilator if you chase a suspect with 7-10 cops on him. If there are 7-10 cops on a suspect with a Annihilator , then be sure its a dark orange not a normal suspect. We must give more priority to them.
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Rules of Noose intervention (Anni using) are liberal and should be liberal, as its up to the officers them self's to decide if the suspect is too much to handle.
So you guys who think the Noose rules are too liberal pm Kerbe or Mihail, maybe they agree and are willing to talk to you and change the rules for Noose making them more strict them.
Arguing here wont change anything. As IVMP idea boards aren't meant to be used to make LCPD change protocol.
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I personally love when an annihilator chases me.
Makes tunnels and other obstacles useful.
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I'm not gonna register in yet another website just for that.
Then stop fucking complaining. It's LCPD protocol, not a server rule. If you want to change this, you must address LCPD, not the server team.
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Then stop f**king complaining. It's LCPD protocol, not a server rule. If you want to change this, you must address LCPD, not the server team.
Made my day. Should be locked, as it is on the wrong forum.
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Wheel, why are you whining? You use subway tracks or tunnel for most of the time, even if its 1 cop after you :rolleyes:
i dont wana say this anymore but cops tend to overpower suspects. think im gonna start using the underground railtrack from now on, fair enough on the criminal side. i suggest all the criminals out there do the same as well. if the cops can have extraordinary privileges, im gonna have my own privileges too like having to carkill a cop and speed off just because im surrounded by a few of them, RP included ofcourse. dont block the way or get killed sorry
The percentage of suspects being caught is still lower than desirable. Do you want it to be 0%? Then it will be "fair" on your opinion? Then what will be the point of being a suspect?
Carkilling, are you serious? :eek:
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The percentage of suspects being caught is still lower than desirable. Do you want it to be 0%? Then it will be "fair" on your opinion? Then what will be the point of being a suspect?
Carkilling, are you serious? :eek:
suspects being killed is still higher than expected xD carkilling yes im serious, as i have mentioned 'how' (RP carkill), not deliberate ofcoarse. taking the subway, yes i will since the anhi is dangerous to face off and also i dont want any heli to track me. gg :D
Then stop f**king complaining. It's LCPD protocol, not a server rule. If you want to change this, you must address LCPD, not the server team.
welcome to ivmp mate? he has the liberty to post any idea he wants, youre just throwing more salt on the LCPD's plate. and easy on the language there, you dont wana provoke anyone here
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Wheel, why are you whining? You use subway tracks or tunnel for most of the time, even if its 1 cop after you :rolleyes:
Tell me when did that happen. I can't remember the last time I used subway tracks without an Annihilator after me. I used to stick on the highways.
I'm not even that familiar with the subway tracks, mainly because it wasn't needed until recently.
Also, if the cops are really having trouble (and I understand that when they're in low quantity) then maybe they should first try using NOOSE ground vehicles, or FBI. That is what used to happen before. Now they all step up to the Annihilator, because it's easy and has that "xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD kek kill pew pew pew im a terminator" factor.
Like I said before, I've been using slow vehicles. That shouldn't need an ultimate step up to the Annihilator, since the rhl remains frozen pretty much of the time with the cops after me. They might not be able to completely stop me in low quantity, but I'm not gonna easily escape from them either.
Then stop f**king complaining. It's LCPD protocol, not a server rule. If you want to change this, you must address LCPD, not the server team.
You don't play IV:MP. Get out. Subforum description:
"Please post here Suggestions regarding IV:MP, Ideas regarding Scripts please in subboard!"
It might be worth for you to know (since you don't seem to play IV:MP, you just want to be alpha and show the world how truly a leader you are) that recently the IV:MP server started counting Annihilator gun kills as a proper way of killing a suspect (giving the suspect a 300$ fine), whereas it did not happen before. But this is not what i'm talking about, and I don't have a problem with the 300$ fine.
Last I remember LCPD is part of IV:MP. Since you're the big boy here, tell me again why are they even in a separate forum? Is that really needed? (In my honest opinion, that just sounds like unnecessary extra work. Having to mantain two different forums "just because", while they're still dependant on eachother)
NOOSE and FBI have strict procedures for the use of annihilators (AS Martjin mentioned above). They are not breaking rules , have you ever counted the no. of cops on the time of your chase?
I don't blame you, you didn't see the last chases I had. There was a fair amount of regular cops most of the time (4+), I was not in a fast car (so rhl would stay frozen most of the time), and in most of these chases I didn't have FBI or NOOSE ground vehicles chasing me. Most of the time I died because of the Annihilator. (there was one where Joseph used a NOOSE Patriot, that was cool. ONE. That one didn't have an Annihilator after me, and they still caught me).
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It doesn't matter if he plays IV:MP or not, he is free to post his idea.
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I only replied like that because he clearly just wanted to spice things up, and has no idea what is going on in IV:MP. Plus, his language didn't help a bit.
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I would actually agree that Ann. is over used. It shouldn't be limited thou as you ask, only already written procedures needs to be applied.
Height rule is just bad. Who's gonna measure 5m? Pilots just need to be trained to use it right.
@ Samp invader - there is no need for that attitude really...
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Tell me when did that happen. I can't remember the last time I used subway tracks without an Annihilator after me. I used to stick on the highways.
I'm not even that familiar with the subway tracks, mainly because it wasn't needed until recently.
That happens almost every day I see you playing, sometimes even not once per your playing session. Like the day before I came after you when there was only one officer after you and you were on the way to the subway tunnel already. Nothing looking like Annihilator, only one cop! Then, the day before you were chased by Mihail only, I joined the chase and you went straight to subway where I kept crashing.
You guys keep abusing the tunnel because you know it's a buggy and crashy place and you can escape the chase because of people crashing. And if you crash, you can just not come back or come back much later. Also, not all the cops, especially new ones, can get there. The reason of you using the subway tunnel all the time is this, not the Annihilator, just admit it. :uhm:
Peace :depature:
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5meters as in just high enough to not crash into cars and potentially some civillians that can be around. Not necessarily a rule, just something to keep in mind.
I agree that the written rules seem to be a bit forgotten (and perhaps should be a bit more specific), because everyone is stepping into Annihilator as the "ultimate solution for all your criminal problems", not as something like "last resource".
@ Hurricane i'm not gonna admit something that is not true. I never said I *never* go to the subways though. But from what I remember, it has been a seriously rare event. Most people who chased me would agree that I spend most of my time around highways.
But I really can't remember the last time I went to the subways without Annihilators around.
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Dont Brake the Law. If You brake it Then you get punished End of story.
Better Rp like i said and you wont get shot by annhilitor , Still this is RP server And rp-ing abit then just Evading Would be nice.
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You guys keep abusing the tunnel because you know it's a buggy and crashy place and you can escape the chase because of people crashing. And if you crash, you can just not come back or come back much later. Also, not all the cops, especially new ones, can get there.
good information nonetheless
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Funniest topic I ever seen :rofl:
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There is no better death, than those shiny, big rounds.
Mark my words, ey :rolleyes:
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Dont Brake the Law. If You brake it Then you get punished End of story.
Better Rp like i said and you wont get shot by annhilitor , Still this is RP server And rp-ing abit then just Evading Would be nice.
Let's all brake a bit plz. Such constructive comment, when you evading you are not rping your role mate?
Btw as same as yoske said i agree that the anni is getting a bit overused , i would say that it in last period it has been used alot also to test the drivers even if they did a training.
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Funniest topic I ever seen :rofl:
not sure whats so funny about this topic sole
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I agree the Annihilator is used quite often now, sometimes more than necessary, however I believe it is mainly because in past, there was way fewer people who could operate it, and so unlike today, some calls for it were actually never heard. I believe that this is one of the reasons FBI has got its own Annihilator - NOOSE was inactive and there was no one to provide the necessary power when needed.
Believe it or not, we rarely take it without being requested to do so. Even yesterday, when you were evading in the Patriot and later drove to the subway, we were requested to aid the ground units by a high ranked LCPD member who was chasing you the entire time. (Quite( since we did you almost no harm)) unfortunately for you, both Annihilators were in the air at that time since we've been on a training, so that might have been a slight overkill.
The point of what I'm saying is that the requests of 'air support', 'AU' and 'pew pew' are getting much more frequent. But in the same time, the amount of suspects evading in 'irregular' vehicles, such as supercars or even the damn firetruck, is increasing. We did not start using it so often just because we feel like pwning someone.
For the procedural part, a quote from NOOSE procedures set by hAWK (scratch number2):
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VI. NOOSE operative is allowed to use NOOSE Annihilator machine guns ONLY:
1. When a suspect is trying to evade and there is not other way for catching/stopping him/her. For example: busses, trucks, fast cars. (NEVER use the Annihilator machine guns on on-foot suspect!)
2. When the suspect is fleeing by helicopter.
This indeed gives plenty of liberty to NOOSE staff, but judging from the lack of complaints, the Annihilator 'real abuse' rate is 0, and therefore no real wrongdoing has been done with it. It's just that people get annoyed by losing.
Anyways, this has been quite an issue lately, I can see that just as you do. And while I don't believe any real harm is caused, I will try to reduce the Annihilator usage - but not by procedures, but by talking to the people who operate it, myself included. I will still leave operatives the liberty to decide whether the Annihilator is necessary or not, but I will ask them not to use it so thoughtlessly (and I think I am to blame for this, since my piloting of it is certainly not just occassional).
As for the ground units, that's quite complicated - either suspect drives a car that can be caught by regular police vehicles (Cruiser, Buffalo) and therefore no NOOSE Cruiser or Patriot interfering is needed, or he drives a supercar, against which NOOSE ground units would have the same effect as the LCPD/FBI ones. That leaves NOOSE cars to be used mainly for roleplays.
And just by the way, we don't get paid for killing you with the machine guns.
tl;dr version: I'll try to do something about it.
Peace
Kerbe
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@ Samp invader - there is no need for that attitude really...
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not sure whats so funny about this topic sole
I just found some things I read funny, and I wont comment because Im sure it wont be of any help, and Im tired of arguing and explaining obvious things to some ppl.
That`s all, no disrespect or something.
Regards
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I do think its not about limiting the power, but to self-restrict the power.
Something abstract:
Rather than complaining others over-powered, think of what power you have been given.
Rather using your own rights, think of what responsibility you should hold.
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By same mean, I think its not the matter of limiting the power or usage, whatever, but to teach them how they should perform their rights. So I don't think rules restriction/limitation are applied in this case, but the consciousness of our player to maintain a suitable playing and role play environment.
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I just found some things I read funny, and I wont comment because Im sure it wont be of any help, and Im tired of arguing and explaining obvious things to some ppl.
That`s all, no disrespect or something.
Regards
Sometimes I do think these are pointless arguing, because these things can be deal with a simple kick. Nonetheless, having a deeper conversation and discussion always allows us to understand how others react to this issue.
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For the record, FBI's Annihilator policy is much more restrictive than NOOSE's (top secret so if I told you I would have to kill you). :lol:
If NOOSE is following their policy then I don't see much of a problem here as far as its usage is concerned. It seems that the complaints here are limited to one or two people and is not a widespread epidemic needing immediate attention.
Secondly, this appears to be a procedural complaint which should be filed with LCPD Command. If the problem persists then management can intervene if necessary. Bottom line is I don't see this to be a huge concern at the moment.
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You don't play IV:MP. Get out. Subforum description:
"Please post here Suggestions regarding IV:MP, Ideas regarding Scripts please in subboard!"
It might be worth for you to know (since you don't seem to play IV:MP, you just want to be alpha and show the world how truly a leader you are) that recently the IV:MP server started counting Annihilator gun kills as a proper way of killing a suspect (giving the suspect a 300$ fine), whereas it did not happen before. But this is not what i'm talking about, and I don't have a problem with the 300$ fine.
Last I remember LCPD is part of IV:MP. Since you're the big boy here, tell me again why are they even in a separate forum? Is that really needed? (In my honest opinion, that just sounds like unnecessary extra work. Having to mantain two different forums "just because", while they're still dependant on eachother)
@ Samp invader - there is no need for that attitude really...
My God..
First of all, I used to actively play IV:MP. I know how shit works there. Then I went inactive due to real life issues, and upon return, I was treated badly, since I changed my in game name and everyone regarded me as "SA:MP" player. It's disgusting to see such attitude from administration. For your information, I come from VC:MP. Second, keep shitting on SA:MP and I might see Argonath HQ intervening. We're all one community and no branches have right to disrespect or mistreat players from the other. People like you are the reason I left IV:MP. Disgusting attitude towards SA:MP division members..
Secondly, LCPD is firstly part of ARGONATH, and only then IV:MP server. LCPD, SAPD, VCPD, LU LCPD are all united and commanded under ARPD (Argonath RPG police department). All Argonath police departments operate under the ARPD forum. Same goes for FBI. So before lecturing me, get your facts about Argonath together.
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My God..
First of all, I used to actively play IV:MP. I know how shit works there. Then I went inactive due to real life issues, and upon return, I was treated badly, since I changed my in game name and everyone regarded me as "SA:MP" player. It's disgusting to see such attitude from administration. For your information, I come from VC:MP. Second, keep shitting on SA:MP and I might see Argonath HQ intervening. We're all one community and no branches have right to disrespect or mistreat players from the other. People like you are the reason I left IV:MP. Disgusting attitude towards SA:MP division members..
Secondly, LCPD is firstly part of ARGONATH, and only then IV:MP server. LCPD, SAPD, VCPD, LU LCPD are all united and commanded under ARPD (Argonath RPG police department). All Argonath police departments operate under the ARPD forum. Same goes for FBI. So before lecturing me, get your facts about Argonath together.
im not trolling but lol
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im not trolling but lol
What's so funny ?
He is completely right, and I am afraid that if this behaviour continues Argonath HQ will be the next to comment.
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What's so funny ?
He is completely right, and I am afraid that if this behaviour continues Argonath HQ will be the next to comment.
hes accusing us of disrespecting samp, lol?
also, hes 'used' to be active in ivmp and he doesnt know whats going on in ivmp now. so commenting on something which is unknown to him is lol. good for him hes from vcmp and all that, irrelevant to the topic. following is his former post by him which provoked, he doesnt even know whats going on in ivmp and being aggressive didnt help at all, lol
Then stop f**king complaining. It's LCPD protocol, not a server rule. If you want to change this, you must address LCPD, not the server team.
i dont realy want to argue here for no reason btw. peace be upon you my friend
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hes accusing us of disrespecting samp, lol?
also, hes 'used' to be active in ivmp and he doesnt know whats going on in ivmp now. so commenting on something which is unknown to him is lol. good for him hes from vcmp and all that, irrelevant to the topic. following is his former post by him which provoked, he doesnt even know whats going on in ivmp and being aggressive didnt help at all, lol
i dont realy want to argue here for no reason btw. peace be upon you my friend
The "Used to" is not more than three months ago. Yes, I am accusing you of such, and these two posts I quoted prove every point I said, which you probably did not read, assuming from the amount of nonsense you just wrote.
Anyhow, I don't need to be active in IV:MP to tell you how it works. The Annihilator usage is not regulated by administrator or server management, it's regulated by LCPD, which means that these kind of complaints go to ARPD forum. This is how it works in all Argonath RPG branches. Yet the OP says he's too lazy to go there so he'll just rant here, which will change completely nothing. Therefore, it's obvious he's here to cry rather than make any change. One of these people with all talk but no walk.
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hes accusing us of disrespecting samp, lol?
Yes he is and I can back up that, specially from being a player that came from there.
In game people shit at SA:MP accusing it of "We would be better if it wasn't for the client" or "Just because they have more players". And most of the times what I would like to reply and will is simply, IV:MP is full of rulebreakers and non RPers, and don't start shitting here stating "I have never seen a good RP from you" because as a matter fact I don't RP much on IV for a simple reason, no one responds on the same roleplay level or even don't roleplay at all, every one has their favourite but at no moment you should be shitting on other community branches and their players. Same as me saying "Dayz is shit because there's no RP there" even dough I never played there, it's completely bias and unfair.
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Locked because of excessive bitching.