Teddy said it all... :app:
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i actually did read a bit, i guess well said or something
Too bad nobody will really change.
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Too bad nobody will really change.
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You want people to roleplay? Then start by doing that yourself.
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Some don't have the care or mental capacity to understand Tov, no need wasting time on those like him. Focus on those who want improvements and with that they'll see how better things are and maybe catch on :DWoops sorry... I still believe in a perfect world :D
Wish this would actually make a difference.It does when -->
[...]People still cannot believe it... but it does!
You want people to roleplay? Then start by doing that yourself.
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Whenever i try to stop someone for any purpose, they take out their m4 and be like" dafuq you want puto, fu** off".
Kidding me? Can't we just have a peaceful roleplay
You're in no way right here. When you are roleplaying a gangster, you're meant to be rude. And no, there is nothing wrong with people being rude as their character is meant to be that way. A mexican gangster talking with 'sir' and 'please' would be non-rp.
You want people to roleplay? Then start by doing that yourself.That only ends up with being reported for forcing roleplay :(
This exactly. There is a way to roleplay a character being aggressive and there is a way to be straight up disrespectful. Figure out the line and there will be no problems.Indeed but not everyone get this and later result into death-match.
Simple answer - You can f**k right off.Maybe you should refer to the main post?
Complex answer - Go to school or a medical institution and have your mind checked. Show some respect towards those actually trying to make a difference and stop being such a worthless piece of shit.
You guys have ranks for a god damn reason. You're the family's boss? Then act like one.Not thinking about leading a family, but you being a fucking asshole to people isnt exactly making people on argo act better, does it? Instead of acting all though guy towards a retard in this thread, you could have deleted the post instead. When people see leaders like YOU tell people to fuck off and call them a worthless piece of shit, they think its accepted. But if I told you to fuck off and called you a worthless piece of shit, I would have been permantly banned from the forum.
You're the LEADER. If you don't want your family to do that, then TELL them, you're there to GUIDE them as a leader.
Simple answer - You can f**k right off.That is quite ruide to be honest, is is it really necessary to use that language to forward what you have to say?
Complex answer - Go to school or a medical institution and have your mind checked. Show some respect towards those actually trying to make a difference and stop being such a worthless piece of shit.
That is quite ruide to be honest, is is it really necessary to use that language to forward what you have to say?
It is indeed, bullshit will be responded to with bullshit. :)Shouldn't you act up like a administrator and perhaps remove the post instead of breaking the rules and setting a bad example for the players here?
It is indeed, bullshit will be responded to with bullshit. :)This reminds me of Mahatma Gandhi quotes - "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind."
Shouldn't you act up like a administrator and perhaps remove the post instead of breaking the rules and setting a bad example for the players here?
A rulebreaker asking a HQ member to not break the rules...Well since you aint telling him someone have to, right? ;)
Btw are you done multiaccounting, banevading and cheating?
Well since you aint telling him someone have to, right? ;)
Well since you aint telling him someone have to, right? ;)
Maybe you should refer to the main post? Not thinking about leading a family, but you being a f**king asshole to people isnt exactly making people on argo act better, does it? Instead of acting all though guy towards a retard in this thread, you could have deleted the post instead. When people see leaders like YOU tell people to f**k off and call them a worthless piece of shit, they think its accepted. But if I told you to f**k off and called you a worthless piece of shit, I would have been permantly banned from the forum.
Act like a f**king leader.
To be honest, if you can't tell the difference between calling a person a worthless piece of shit and telling them to stop acting like a worthless piece of shit, then you may have a problem.People acting like a worthless piece of shit, is usually a worthless piece of shit, huh? And, "You can f**k right off." isnt exactly a nice sentence from a division leader is it? Pretty sure you wouldnt accept it if I said it to you?
I wouldn't care. :)
Now let's see it on topic.
[19:21:34] {0055FF}Bruce_McCane{FFFFFF}: (0) WOAH
[19:21:34] {0055FF}Bruce_McCane{FFFFFF}: (0) HAcker
[19:21:34] {0055FF}Bruce_McCane{FFFFFF}: (0) halp
[19:22:00] {0055FF}Jack_White.{FFFFFF}: (37) tell him to stop acting like a worthless piece of shit, after that ask him to fuck off
[19:22:19] {0055FF}Jack_White.{FFFFFF}: (37) Or the other way around, Devin knows how it works
[19:22:32] <iMarkz> (66) Jack, moderate your language please.
[19:22:46] {0055FF}Jack_White.{FFFFFF}: (37) iMarkz, tell me, is it accepted that Devin tells people EXACTLY the same on the forums
[19:22:54] {0055FF}Jack_White.{FFFFFF}: (37) but when I do here towards a hacker, I get told to moderate my language?
[19:23:21] {0055FF}Jack_White.{FFFFFF}: (37) If not, please step up into that fucking topic and be a man enough to tell him STRAIGHT up
[19:23:31] <iMarkz> (66) We do not tolerate that language, whoever those words are directed to.
[19:24:02] You have been warned by iMarkz(66) for flaming..
[19:24:02] Jack_White. was warned by iMarkz(66) for flaming.
[19:24:02] {0055FF}Jack_White.{FFFFFF}: (37) Please, tell devin to stop in the topic aswell then
Well, iMarkz would. Maybe you leaders should talk together and figure out whats okay to say and what not, because I don't wanna get banned for telling someone to f**k off.
You know Astar, you do also bring up a good point about cops as well. I know in my original reply I only mentioned mafias and such but really it extends to all areas of the server in different degrees.Indeed Teddy, if people want everything to improve on the "RP" thing, EVERYONE needs to start doing it, firstly for themselves, as we said - from all sides
Honestly it's going to take effort from all sides in order to rectify the view of "RP" within the community. There is little standard for RP so justification to do so is fairly reduced.
Indeed Teddy, if people want everything to improve on the "RP" thing, EVERYONE needs to start doing it, firstly for themselves, as we said - from all sides
if there's a will there's a way.
I applaud your efforts. I just wish I was active enough to contribute to the movement forward. Unfortunately all I can be is words on a screen with my current activity.:rage:
I can understand that with all the anus sliding of pussy shotguns it can be a little discouraging to RP but as I saidDoing 20x /me's before pulling out a gun != RP.
It's just the same everywhere, isn't it? Drugs,You forgot about fucking bitches.kills, properties, money and cars. Is that what it's all about? If you answered yes then damn, you're the one wrong.
But what bothers me the most is, the same people who bad girl about people NOT roleplaying are the people who don't roleplay, or even try to.
Instead of suspecting or chasing down to kill anewplayer cause he punched you, try teaching him a thing or two.
Doing 20x /me's before pulling out a gun != RP.
That is exactly my point. Thanks for the reiteration.I must have lost the context somewhere down the line, sorry.
Most Mafia's avoid conflict with the law as it's bad for business. They buy corrupt cops to help protect them from the legitimate. If they kidnap someone they don't call the police (see prior point) they use them to negotiate a point or money from another family or business entity.
I'd recommend watching the godfather series.
This is a thing I wish the high ranked Police agreed to, bribery. Most of the time, if you offer bribery and have some cops in your pocket, you get /su'ed instantly. It's not a fair RP, and cops should be more lenient when it comes to that. Godfather is also another good series to watch. Mafia isn't about killing people for the most part, it's business.
This is a thing I wish the high ranked Police agreed to, bribery. Most of the time, if you offer bribery and have some cops in your pocket, you get /su'ed instantly. It's not a fair RP, and cops should be more lenient when it comes to that. Godfather is also another good series to watch. Mafia isn't about killing people for the most part, it's business.Hm, the problem is, if you RP a corrupt cop, there's no way you're gonna get up there in the ranks, and most if not all high ranked SAPD members don't want to risk it as it's really not that hard for it to get leaked or investigated and that would lead to them losing their rank. Sure, there are some people that RP corrupt officers but they just keep getting copbanned, accused of trolling, they will never actually get into an influential position.
Tell that to jcstodds, he used to sell the confiscated weed. :rolleyes:
People acting like a worthless piece of shit, is usually a worthless piece of shit, huh? And, "You can f**k right off." isnt exactly a nice sentence from a division leader is it? Pretty sure you wouldnt accept it if I said it to you?If you can not handle direct language then you can f*ck off.
Excellent post, you already know my point of view. The only thing I have to point out is that post like this have been made years ago, and nothing really changed. Lets hope that this time you, as an admin, and input some other kind of feeling in the minds of the players. Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent post like I said, and I'm not criticizing you, just didn't expect this kind of turnout hehe.
This exactly. There is a way to roleplay a character being aggressive and there is a way to be straight up disrespectful. Figure out the line and there will be no problems.
Kidnappings are actually boring. Everyone knows how it will go. The kidnapped person might as well go AFK because all he can do is sit still and be on PM or cb to waste time. The kidnappers call the cops and stock on weapons to kill as many as possible, and the cops get another shooting gallery. Is that really fun enough to repeat 100 times daily?
And halle-f**kin-lujah, a big AMEN and THANK YOU to the Angels of Death, Grove Street Families and 18th Street Barrio for bringing some actual decent and controlled RP aswell as VARIETY, kind of sick of Mafia vs Cop bull.
There is no such thing as a "straight up disrespectful" thing in RP, if people know the difference between RL and RP. Imagine if actors would take it personal to everything that is being said towards them in the movie scripts. boy oh boy...
Problems arise when players start to take offence to things said to them in a roleplay.
This exactly. There is a way to roleplay a character being aggressive and there is a way to be straight up disrespectful. Figure out the line and there will be no problems.
This exactly. There is a way to roleplay a character being aggressive and there is a way to be straight up disrespectful. Figure out the line and there will be no problems.
Roll up your sleves and get to working if you want something to change for good.This.
There is no such thing as a "straight up disrespectful" thing in RP, if people know the difference between RL and RP. Imagine if actors would take it personal to everything that is being said towards them in the movie scripts. boy oh boy...Once you start making up such rules they just keep piling on.
A kidnap is only as boring as the kidnappers want it to be, most people just shove the victim in a room, gagged and leave them there, even recently that happened to me (You guys know who you are, take no offense, but gagging someone in a RP is just asking me to go AFK for a while).
Kidnap them but give them RP possibilities to escape, let them speak, let them interact, good God it's not that hard is it'
The main problems in here, besides the lack of RP rules which makes some RP scenarios completely moronic and weird (bad weird), is that people don't want to be on the loosing side of a RP and/or don't think that the RP is supposed to be fun for both sides and lead the RP to something that just involves fun for one party involved.
Seriously, this community could be the best RP community in both MTA and SAMP if there were actual control and rules in RP but maintaining the relaxed RP view of Argonath, make it a LIGHT RP server instead of a FREE RP server, no one's asking for a RL RP thing (which sucks donkey balls and we all know it), just simple things to keep the flow of the RP going, like not using PM to call for help, or /radio the police when you got your radio taken off in RP, or not being allowed to commit crimes openly in Pershing Square which is obvious cop baiting...
And halle-f**kin-lujah, a big AMEN and THANK YOU to the Angels of Death, Grove Street Families and 18th Street Barrio for bringing some actual decent and controlled RP aswell as VARIETY, kind of sick of Mafia vs Cop bull.
I would also like to point out that I have observed that lack of mental skill(?) from players to acknowledge what Argonath's vision really means leads to several issues. The most ridiculous thing is going to kidnap someone and he does " /em plz no force rp go read argonath vision "... and trust me it's a regular annoying sight.People who think that 'do not force roleplay' is a get-out-of-rp-free card do not understand what it means.
If you don't understand how RP works then at least DO NOT open new families which you lead. I don't mean to say I'm better, but I have openned my own group after gaining some experience by serious roleplay families like Sforza and many others. You need knowledge to lead a group, because if you lack roleplaying skills and your members follow what you say.. then boom. You have a nice group of people causing trouble.
Please re-read aargonath's vision and some other important stickies at the groups and families boards, if you can't find them then PM me and I will show you.
If you are really willing to do something, it will happen. Don't be the people who post 'nothing changes, argo sux' waiting for the day everything will magically change. Roll up your sleves and get to working if you want something to change for good.
People who think that 'do not force roleplay' is a get-out-of-rp-free card do not understand what it means.
It is not meant as excuse not to play with others, but to ensure that people are not intimidated or bullied against their will.
for instance you give up as a criminal and want to be jailed because there is a meeting of your group, but the cop wants you to endure an hour long investigation. In that case you have the right to get jailed as you wish, and can not be forced to sit through the investigation.
However if you get yourself in a position where you are kidnapped, you can not tell your kidnappers to let you go because you do not want to be forced. In that case, make some move that causes the kidnappers to either kill you or let you escape, and then proceed with your plans.
People who think that 'do not force roleplay' is a get-out-of-rp-free card do not understand what it means.
Once you start making up such rules they just keep piling on.
And honestly in many casesit can actually make the RP better.
There was one division that made it work, not officialy but the players themselves set those same rules for their own RP and I saw nothing but good and fun gaming.If people can make it work by using common snese, why do you need to make it a rule? Spread it by example, make people understand it is more fun if you do it without shortcuts.
The bad outweights the good, something that people who go ingame and RP regularly can testify.
And a pretty similar thing happened with me in last few days where Hidduh was trucking around, earning money and we tried to rob him where he said 'He's not in mood to roleplay'(get-out-of-rp-free card so that he won't get robbed or die of not complying and keeps earning money by trucking) and reported us. Then there was this admin, I don't remember his name told us not go after him as he doesn't wants to roleplay and for this my fellow partner Luke was also temp banned as he denied of not going after him.
Anyways, It's good that it's clear now :)
There is no such thing as a "straight up disrespectful" thing in RP, if people know the difference between RL and RP. Imagine if actors would take it personal to everything that is being said towards them in the movie scripts. boy oh boy...
A kidnap is only as boring as the kidnappers want it to be, most people just shove the victim in a room, gagged and leave them there, even recently that happened to me (You guys know who you are, take no offense, but gagging someone in a RP is just asking me to go AFK for a while).
Kidnap them but give them RP possibilities to escape, let them speak, let them interact, good God it's not that hard is it'
The main problems in here, besides the lack of RP rules which makes some RP scenarios completely moronic and weird (bad weird), is that people don't want to be on the loosing side of a RP and/or don't think that the RP is supposed to be fun for both sides and lead the RP to something that just involves fun for one party involved.
Seriously, this community could be the best RP community in both MTA and SAMP if there were actual control and rules in RP but maintaining the relaxed RP view of Argonath, make it a LIGHT RP server instead of a FREE RP server, no one's asking for a RL RP thing (which sucks donkey balls and we all know it), just simple things to keep the flow of the RP going, like not using PM to call for help, or /radio the police when you got your radio taken off in RP, or not being allowed to commit crimes openly in Pershing Square which is obvious cop baiting...
And halle-f**kin-lujah, a big AMEN and THANK YOU to the Angels of Death, Grove Street Families and 18th Street Barrio for bringing some actual decent and controlled RP aswell as VARIETY, kind of sick of Mafia vs Cop bull.
I would also like to point out that I have observed that lack of mental skill(?) from players to acknowledge what Argonath's vision really means leads to several issues. The most ridiculous thing is going to kidnap someone and he does " /em plz no force rp go read argonath vision "... and trust me it's a regular annoying sight.
If you don't understand how RP works then at least DO NOT open new families which you lead. I don't mean to say I'm better, but I have openned my own group after gaining some experience by serious roleplay families like Sforza and many others. You need knowledge to lead a group, because if you lack roleplaying skills and your members follow what you say.. then boom. You have a nice group of people causing trouble.
Please re-read aargonath's vision and some other important stickies at the groups and families boards, if you can't find them then PM me and I will show you.
If you are really willing to do something, it will happen. Don't be the people who post 'nothing changes, argo sux' waiting for the day everything will magically change. Roll up your sleves and get to working if you want something to change for good.
If people can make it work by using common snese, why do you need to make it a rule? Spread it by example, make people understand it is more fun if you do it without shortcuts.
If you can not handle direct language then you can f*ck off.Well, thanks. This is what I have been trying to say countless times on this server, and been banned for countless times.. :cowboy:
I have to say that each of your posts hits the point here, and i completly agree with you guys.
I also have to add that i think the reason for so many newly opened groups with actual lack of roleplay skill and experience is that those people mostly get denied from the groups they applied to join. I do think that the recognized and official groups should not be too easy to accept people who could (maybe) ruin their reputation, but they should not be too fast denying those people either. Instead of that, try teaching them. Try showing them how to do better than they did so far. Remember, we don't play against each other here, we all play together.
Their points are valid clearly, though your part isn't fully valid. As f**ked up as it may sound, you can't have a guy who joined a week ago, rolling with an official group, that's what new/lower groups are there for. People can join them, learn from them, and hopefully move on one day, either by leaving, or when the group closes(which is pretty common). I started low, most started low. I think that this is the best way to start anyway. You can't expect to be at the top, when you clearly are not experienced, and experience is gainned, not taught.
To the point. Yeye, all of those Lead by Examble posts have been arround for years. And yea, it does make a difference, but it is clearly not enough, if it was enough. This topic would not be arround. You can't solve a problem who has been for years, with the same solution you've been trying for years. Leading by examble is a start. And I am sure most people that want to, already do it, so talking about it here, won't make an actual difference. I do not know what we need, but hell we need something more than that.
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I'll be frank with you ... some are worth that, stick arround and learn phase, many aren't though. It's just my opinion after all, and I never said that they'd have to stick like that for years... But spend like a month on your own or with another group, before getting close to an official one, if your RP experience is close to 0. This changes if you are comming from any other RP server, where you'd have the knowledge, but would simply have to learn how things work in our server.
So... You can't bribe a person in an RP fashion way? Wasn't there a trial going on? What would prevent the briberies from happening in game, for example?We have ran SA:MP with over 100 players and still have enough time to explain.
Yes there was a section on Argonath that made the "lead by example" thing work, you know why? Because we were fewer and the administration team had the time AND THE PATIENCE (focus on that point, yes I'm saying some have no patience or overall intention) to explain things and resolve situations. In a server with 50 players daily? They can't do everything. Rules are necessary to maintain even a light RP. These are not enough. And the lead by example thing in SAMP won't work while there are players that don't give a s**t about the others and if they're having fun or not. gief muni style.
That's why I said some, not all. And I know that many players do as you say, myself included (as many can tell you). What I do not understand is insisting on a job done by people when it can be done by one simple rule that doesn't at all affect the server and its idea. Want to keep it "a free space" for everyone to hang out and have fun, fine I'm all for it - I think that we've just been saying that we'd like to preserve the roleplay either than the goofing around affecting others and their time or leasure.Just as I mentioned if you would have cared to read, adding one rule leads to adding another and within short time you have a Bible.
And I'm being respectful, no need for harsh comments.
If you find this disrecpectful, grow a pair.
And you get some education, it's the second time today you showed a large lack of it.:hah:
He's being educated giving his opinion, be a little man and take his opinion wether you accept it or not in an educated way.
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Are the two of you lovers?
Nah, he's a friend and not an overall dick like you're being right now. Do as you wish Mr. Boss. So much for wanting the players to cooperate, can't even accept mere f**king opinions. For a grown man you sure are acting like a child.Considering that the activity of the two of you is similar to mine over the past months (and that is not good) you should know that we are willing to cooperate with players, not with trolls who want to make this a generic server so they do not have to switch on their brain when entering.
If you have any children, I feel bad for them already.Likewise.
Likewise.
It's ok, when I get old enough to have children I won't be lurking around a "make believe" based video, thanks for the concern though, and about the activity... is the MTA SA server up? Or are we forgiven of our inactivity? :lol:I guess that is reason for me to block its return.
Anyhow, topics like these will keep on existing to the very end for the simple fact that the solution is visible to everyone except for those who are capable of putting it into action.
With that said, best of luck! I'll just be in my little corner praying that MTA gets back, get some proper RP. :janek:
I guess that is reason for me to block its return.
I guess that is reason for me to block its return.
My reaction to all this:
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Are the two of you lovers?
I guess that is reason for me to block its return.
What was the point of making this topic. Argonath RPG has been running the same way how it has been for years now. It is a "World of its own" so if you piss someone off or do something crazy expect to be shot. Your orange on the map you better start running or surrender before you get pwned by cops. That goes the same for me if I get chased down by criminals for getting to close and they kill me for it then so be it. It was my fault for getting to close anyway and engaging the suspects without any extra support. This is GTA. I have no problem with criminals calling 911 saying they have a hostage hell it just makes my job that much easier. You know why they do it? Because a real life kidnapping may take months and up to years before cops can find the actual kidnappers. Instead to speed that roleplay up they call 911. You all are wishing for a perfect peaceful roleplay. YEAH? Well all I say is this is. In GTA not everyone is going to be your friend. Everyone plays a role and you got to have thick skin and if you don't then all you will accomplish is nothing. You can complain all you want but it is not going to change the system of how Argonath RPG works. I think it is cool to get shot by a freaking combat weapon but turn around and drop whoever it is and continue with my day. While some of you will get killed and complain. It is a game for a reason so just have fun. If you get killed you get killed just don't complain. I myself rarely report anyone for any rulebreak the only time if it is a hacker. Most of the time there is not an admin online so I have to handle shit myself and finally people know not to mess with me. You just have to adapt yourself to Argonath that is all. Remember "World of its Own" and don't expect your roleplays to be always realistic either like in real life.This topic is made for people like you. Go through it :rofl:
Kidnappings are actually boring. Everyone knows how it will go. The kidnapped person might as well go AFK because all he can do is sit still and be on PM or cb to waste time. The kidnappers call the cops and stock on weapons to kill as many as possible, and the cops get another shooting gallery. Is that really fun enough to repeat 100 times daily?This isn't RS4 anymore. People do have changes with time. Calling 911 after kidnapping barely happens now. We mostly prefer to take revenge from the group by kidnapping the hostage. Whether we kill him/hurt him and leave at hospital/injure him and threw him into water. There are more and many ways we handle these type of situations to make more realistic.
I recovered my now 9 year old shitty hotmail adress to restore my password. And to login. Just to reply to this singular thread that contains so much drama.What you and others seem to have forgotten is that we do not mince our words. Want political correct or corpspeak? Go read the news or press releases. That is not throwing a pile of poo on people, just making it clear that those who want to shit the community are invited to do it elsewhere.
I guess taking a big pile of poo and throwing it at the people who spent time playing here, and helping it grow. Is the proper way to do things now is it?
I'm no champ myself but wow. Just wow. Man are you being a grumpy, spitefull old man just now. And that is seriously discomforting to know.
The co-existence is what I am defending. Which means that those who try to change rules in order to get their way may be met with a rather direct comment.
What I don't get with ALL of you. Is why people cannot, and absolutely refuse to compromise in their roleplay.
You give and you take. That is really f**king simple to understand. But oooooooohhhhh nope. We must absolutely do it this way, or the other way. Or backwards. or forwards.
I used to heavily hate IC/OOC, I still do.
And I'm not a huge fan of srs rp.
But these things can co-exist, one way or another. Isn't this the world of it's own after all? Or is it just a front for a two people dictatorship that stopped working as soon as the community got bigger. Why is people here so utterly fixated on doing everything they can to NOT relax. To ensure fun only for yourself and no one else.
the golden age lies in front of us, never behind us.
Times change, and while I'd absolutely love to revert things to what I consider to be the golden ages. It can't and will not happen.
Opinions are opinions. No need to go crazy. :bananarock:
What I want to say is. Calm down. Make a plan, stick to the plan. Then grab a beer and relax.
Or some shit like that, I'm off now to do some space adventuring or something like that with my pockets full of cash.
Also bananas. Because we need a ice breaker in here. :bananarock: :jackson: :bananav: :bananarock:
If you keep talking about something that has pre-existed in this community for several years you are only adding fuel to the fire. Instead of individuals going on soapboxes about the server and the shitty aspects currently in existence within' the server, primarily the roleplay aspect and the disrespectful attitudes shown both from administration and the player base, how about you actively go out and make a difference. Be the individual that steps outside of their comfort zone and actively pursues efforts to make a change instead of bullshitting every one of us on the forum with your ideology and propaganda. Be a leader not a follower. The best phrase to describe the predicament in Argonath. Don't wait for the average Joe or even server leadership for that matter to implement change, take it upon yourself to do it.I do hope you use a mirror, as you are displaying exactly what you are wanting to change.
I'm sick and tired of reading these useless topics that start out with a vision and wined up being a damn shit show between both sides of the argument. Be the person that breaks away from the crowd and actively starts putting in effort rather than preaching to the f**king choir on the forum about changing this, and that, and that. There is no such thing as progress without action. You can talk about it all you want, but until someone actually starts trying to make a change rather than dictating others to make the change, NOTHING is going to happen. No one, I mean NO ONE is too f**king good to sit here and tell others to go make a change. It's a community effort, you want something done? Go f**king do something about it, then and only then will you actively see a change in Argonath.
This isn't RS4 anymore. People do have changes with time. Calling 911 after kidnapping barely happens now. We mostly prefer to take revenge from the group by kidnapping the hostage. Whether we kill him/hurt him and leave at hospital/injure him and threw him into water. There are more and many ways we handle these type of situations to make more realistic.Good to hear that. Still when I am entering the server and 50% of the talk is about how to kidnap me it seems not a lot has changed...
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Good to hear that. Still when I am entering the server and 50% of the talk is about how to kidnap me it seems not a lot has changed...
Good to hear that. Still when I am entering the server and 50% of the talk is about how to kidnap me it seems not a lot has changed...
Start by joining more than once a year then... Yeah, guess the players were wrong for being happy for your presence on the server that day after all...
Start by joining more than once a year then... Yeah, guess the players were wrong for being happy for your presence on the server that day after all...The reason I do not join under Gandalf is that my possibilities to actually play are way too limited on that account. I'd rather be less conspicuous.
It's such a pity to see that no real leader has left on the server.Is that an application? :cowboy:
Is that an application? :cowboy:
The reason I do not join under Gandalf is that my possibilities to actually play are way too limited on that account. I'd rather be less conspicuous.
Is that an application? :cowboy:Depends on what you think. Application for a community leader or for a group leader ;)
Is that why I keep getting PMed and blackmailed to give money so I'm not "revealed". Yes, some guys think I am you UC :neutral2:Over the years I have changed a bit. That has nothing to do with becoming a grumpy old man, but with my role changing to a more solitary one. At the same time being direct is something that has gotten lost in society, which I personally find a pity.
As to stay on topic, Gandalf's attitude may be a little bit out of some's comfort zone. But put yourself in his position, running this community for all those years. We need to learn to babysit ourselvs and not rely on his interaction all the time. He's giving alot, so don't be surprised if he wants to be more direct. He should be, because people always tend to bend his words in their own liking.
The reason I do not join under Gandalf is that my possibilities to actually play are way too limited on that account. I'd rather be less conspicuous.Fair point but just like you said... Dont expect people to act normal arround your Gandalf account...
I do not respect those who have zero activity and try to tell us how we should run the server.
This.
Because it's too easy to talk about solutions when the problem is not yours.
If we add more rules, you, players, will be the first one to complain.
If we add more rules, you, players, will be the first one to complain.Just add a rule "Use your common sense"
Just add a rule "Use your common sense"
Why would a player complain when a rule gives out a solution?Because:
Some claim they want us to be more like other servers while in reality if you acted like the little shits a minority of people in the community act like... you'd be banned from these other servers in a heartbeat. I know admins in some of these other servers who have zero tolerance for 90% of the bulshit attitude and blatant disrespect handled by the team here; but won't second guess turning around and putting a player in their place if need be.
Consider that before you get what you wish for.
Considering that the activity of the two of you is similar to mine over the past months (and that is not good) you should know that we are willing to cooperate with players, not with trolls who want to make this a generic server so they do not have to switch on their brain when entering.You know, stating your opinion doesn't necessarily mean you are trolling you know? I'm not sure where you people get that from..
If that was a rule this thread wouldn't be here..
You know, stating your opinion doesn't necessarily mean you are trolling you know? I'm not sure where you people get that from..
You keep on saying how the change will come from the players ... yet again when the players ask for more rules you turn them down. not using /pm and /cb when you are being kidnapped is common sense you'd say, yet again it is fully allowed... Make a rule about it, we have many rules, both official and unofficial, useful and useless, smart and dump, just add a couple more... Anyway, I don't think that talking here will make an actual difference. Leading by examble is what we've been trying for the past years ... Guess what. It didn't work, now if you think that it will. Visit my Einstein post, see that memo, make sure that you get it. And start thinking about it.If you want to make rules they must be simple and enforceable.
I do hope you use a mirror, as you are displaying exactly what you are wanting to change.
If you want to make rules they must be simple and enforceable.May Einstein guide me!
So lets see if we would follow your suggestion and make a rule that it is not allowed to use /pm and /cb during a kidnap situation.
Here comes a kidnap situation and at some point some ZOMGRPer is reporting to the admins that the kidnapped person used /pm or /cb, which he denies.
1. How are you going to find out who is speaking the truth? It would need a ful log check to find out the time the person was actually under control of the kidnappers so he should not use these, and to read every time he and anyone suspected of arriving due to his call for help in order to find out if they did discuss this or something else. This would take a manager about 30 minutes, admins do not have direct access to logs. Do you really believe the offense is so bad it needs a manager to spend 30 minutes on?
2. Supposed the manager would find that the rule was broken, what would be the punishment?
Remember that our team is strictly forbidden to punish on hunches or say-so of others. Now let us see your Einstein solution.
May Einstein guide me!So scripts have to be made specially for people who have such mental issues that they cannot even participate in fun, mutually respectful roleplay?
Well, guess some scripting would be needed(Ye ye bad I know). So it'd be a command like /whateverthef**kitmaybe ID , the person who got that would have to accept it, in order for his pm, cb, radio to be completly set off, so that he can neither read those chats, nor answer to them. (similar to /repair ID). If that person denied to accept the command, and administrator would be abled to understand, when someone is actually in a situation where contacting anyone else would be hard to impossible.
Now yeah I do understand that people may just walk up to someone, aim a weapon and do /blabla to him straight away, without any RP. That would indeed be bad... but yet again, it would be the same as the mechanics. (Not implying that I'd like that outcome, simply using a command, but we are not mature enough to do it iwthout it, clearly).
May Einstein guide me!If you make a script you do not need a rule. So what do you actually want?
Well, guess some scripting would be needed(Ye ye bad I know). So it'd be a command like /whateverthef**kitmaybe ID , the person who got that would have to accept it, in order for his pm, cb, radio to be completly set off, so that he can neither read those chats, nor answer to them. (similar to /repair ID). If that person denied to accept the command, and administrator would be abled to understand, when someone is actually in a situation where contacting anyone else would be hard to impossible.
Now yeah I do understand that people may just walk up to someone, aim a weapon and do /blabla to him straight away, without any RP. That would indeed be bad... but yet again, it would be the same as the mechanics. (Not implying that I'd like that outcome, simply using a command, but we are not mature enough to do it iwthout it, clearly).
Well I am not really trying to start a beef and no matter what you think im doing it out of poor interest for the server... I cant come up with the righ idea clearly but lets not go arround saying that our current thing is right simply because we didnt come up with anything smarter. I am not claiming to be better than anyone Im simply trying to point out the current mistake... Im not the guy who has servers running since 2006 you are. We cant come up with something better, fine. But dont go arround saying that what we have is the solution, simply because it has been the same for years. For what its worth... The server currently feels to be in the right way, except for someThe point here is that as I gave you chance to bring forward a solution, the same happened that has happened before when players are invited to think from the point of administration and owners. It is easy to look at a situation you do not like and shout for rules or other changes. But once you start looking at a solution it becomes clear that it is not possible to find a workable solution that is fair and will actually e used.
Lame cases every now and then(btw this was writen at a phone, excuse
Any mistakes)
one hell of a shitstorm, should bring back the kill-zone for this
You're back?!no, just lurking. see you in 2 years
no, just lurking. see you in 2 years
Do you have some to share? :cry:
one hell of a shitstorm, should bring back the kill-zone for this
no, just lurking. see you in 2 years
no, just lurking. see you in 2 years
You're back?!I'm just as dumbfounded as you are. Holy crap.
bring back the kill-zone:gand:
It seems people want to argue more and more, please lock it already...