Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: RafaDK on March 28, 2015, 09:26:14 pm
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Good evening,
So today, while I was playing in the server, Cofiliano told me something about a new rule for criminals, apparently not only when a criminal dies he has to leave the scene/RP but now as well, whenever he loses suspection he has to leave; else he will face consequences that will be subject of evaluation by the current online server staff.
So, back in the past we dealt with the fact that police had an advantage over criminal groups simply because they could return as they please upon facing death in the same exact Roleplay scenario. Everyone used to discuss that until it became factual that it would be an allowed rule and it would stay. Alright, people accepted it and move on.
Now, I got to hear that from Cofiliano, and by the admins themselves that we upon losing suspect stats we have to leave the scene.
So, lets say that within a pursuit where we are in a drive-by situation, we get a gap from the cops and someone with a shorter time of /rhl loses the status of the so called wanted, script-wise; despite the fact that person shoot countless times against the police and has been mostly seen by them as well, therefore easily recognizable. But as soon as the script makes them a citizen, everything gets dropped.
Something that admins confirmed to be true and not leaving the scene will get him into facing consequences. So those are two disadvantages for criminal groups.
I know SAPD has been an official group fully supported by Argonath.
But in the middle of RS4, we were introduced with the official status for criminal groups as well, achieved primarily by Corleone/Stracci/Ancelotti/Gvardia/Diablos.
And with the release of RS5 we were introduced as well with supportive scripts for the official criminal groups.
So both sides are now supported by the server, so the question remains, why not have equality between both factions? I'm not asking for criminals to return after dead or cops to stop doing it, no. But this new rule implying that a suspect who just evaded the wanted level cannot proceed to aid his fellow family/gang members is a poposterous outrage regarding equality.
But coming back to the primary point that got me to open the thread,
A suspect dies - Leaves the RP, he died;
A suspect loses his suspection - Leaves the RP, is considered as a dead person, even if he is sitting in the same vehicle as his members.
So, why is FBI above these rules and being supported? - Basically, today, Pedro Gvardia after dying was still taken into custody by the FBI members.
So why doesn't the same rules, us criminals are obligated to follow to not face harsh consequences don't apply to the FBI members?
Why are criminals obligated to RP something with the FBI when they ask for cooperation, but in the other hand they can just refuse to Roleplay with criminals whenever facing such situations?
Those are some of the questions I'd gladly like to see answered, as you all know I've been away for a long period of time, and I'm still trying to catch up with all these new rules.
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Can someone clarify this rule, cause I'm pretty sure others are uncertain of it as well.
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There is no equality because we are nt playing Cops and Robbers.
This is a roleplay server, which means that in principle we follow the principle of an action movie where the 'good guys' win.
While we are not 'real life' we do expect our players to follow a more or less realistic line of thought in roleplay.
That means that criminal families should do whatever possible to stay away from trouble with the cops, and not allow themselves to get caught out because one member makes a mistake.
Similar the function of escape was created on request of the player who did not want to fight until death at all times. This means that when a player escapes, the idea of them being allowed to be involved again in the shootout is not logical. Someone who escapes is no longer on the run and has the obligation to leave those still in the roleplay. Though exception can be made if they are in the middle of nowhere, it is allowed to drive them to a nearby vehicle.
If players prefer to continue until death we might as well remove the escape from the scripts. After all fight or give up are in that case the only used options, and it would make the script a lot lighter and easier for the scripters.]]
Just to add a warning for the 'other side' that may be lost. Cops should not suspect someone just because they are with or near a suspected criminal. They have no way of knowing if this person is involved unless they shoot ot threaten the lives of the cops.
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In regards to the scene you are talking about involving FBI, clearly whatever you have been told is incorrect. Yourself nor Cofilliano were on scene, therefore unaware of why we were taking Pedro Gvardia into custody. Assumptions were made causing more confusion.
Here is what actually happened:
The FBI had a warrant on Pedro. We went to execute it, Pedro was suspected for being in FBI custody but then told us he had to leave and left the server. He told us we can continue when he comes back. Pedro may have just died prior to us coming to execute the warrant, but that is completely irrelevant because him dying was not part of the roleplay scene we had a warrant for.
When Pedro came back, he still had his suspection from earlier when he had to go, so he eventually escaped because we weren't there to continue the warrant execution. When we were able to continue, we did so.
Pedro's death prior to FBI executing a warrant was completely irrelevant to this roleplay situation that you are referring to. I hope I have cleared that up.
However, I am not fully aware of the outcome of Pedro's interrogation because I wasn't there.
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So, why is FBI above these rules and being supported? - Basically, today, Pedro Gvardia after dying was still taken into custody by the FBI members.
So why doesn't the same rules, us criminals are obligated to follow to not face harsh consequences don't apply to the FBI members?
Why are criminals obligated to RP something with the FBI when they ask for cooperation, but in the other hand they can just refuse to Roleplay with criminals whenever facing such situations?
The funniest thing about this was that the officer from FBI and also a member of the staff team (moderator) which was very unpolite even calling me and cofiliano "ignorants and irrelevants" made me spend my time in such bullshit and 10 mins after I get in FBI's HQ he realizes that the incident had everything to do with my death. Please :app: :app:
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I personaly, and, I believe, majority of cops would be in favor of being able to resuspect people who continue to aid after escape, rather than having them admin punished. The new script has so many flaws. It should just be as simple as that: if the aider does not leave the vehicle immediatly upon evading, he is a subject for re-suspection. Both sides profit.
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There is no equality because we are nt playing Cops and Robbers.
This is a roleplay server, which means that in principle we follow the principle of an action movie where the 'good guys' win.
While we are not 'real life' we do expect our players to follow a more or less realistic line of thought in roleplay.
That means that criminal families should do whatever possible to stay away from trouble with the cops, and not allow themselves to get caught out because one member makes a mistake.
Similar the function of escape was created on request of the player who did not want to fight until death at all times. This means that when a player escapes, the idea of them being allowed to be involved again in the shootout is not logical. Someone who escapes is no longer on the run and has the obligation to leave those still in the roleplay. Though exception can be made if they are in the middle of nowhere, it is allowed to drive them to a nearby vehicle.
If players prefer to continue until death we might as well remove the escape from the scripts. After all fight or give up are in that case the only used options, and it would make the script a lot lighter and easier for the scripters.]]
Just to add a warning for the 'other side' that may be lost. Cops should not suspect someone just because they are with or near a suspected criminal. They have no way of knowing if this person is involved unless they shoot ot threaten the lives of the cops.
But then again, directed at your first sentence, how is this going to make everyone have their happy and fun times, when you, the owner, are clearly saying that cops are supposed to win everytime? - And how is Roleplay anything related with 'following the principle where 'good guys' always win'? I'm sure Roleplay is something where you take actions that would be otherwise found IRL. Where you find a line based IRL, not a film. You don't find the good guys always winning throughout history, now do you? There isbalance between good and evil. For more scary that may sound, 'where's light, there's also darkness'.
And regarding the comment about the suspect, if you follow a line of realism, no member of a criminal group would leave anyone behind in a shootout, Mafias/Gangs have a code.
And what you're saying is, using Corleone as an example, they're having a shootout where the higher hierarchy members are involved, you expect them to leave the scene upon losing suspection and ignore the fact that their leaders are in danger because a script says so?
Even in a pursuit, that course of action would not happen in a movie where good guys are supposed to win. There would be no way where someone would go 'Well, they saw my face, and I shoot them, but something tells me I'm no longer wanted for some reason, so I'll just walk away and they will ignore me, else god may ban me'.
Gandalf, man, you know better. And know what I mean, you know me for years, I do have a point. I'm not asking for you to remove the suspect system entirely, leave it, it's fine. Just work around this rule, it makes no sense...
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The funniest thing about this was that the officer from FBI and also a member of the staff team (moderator) which was very unpolite even calling me and cofiliano "ignorants and irrelevants" made me spend my time in such bullshit and 10 mins after I get in FBI's HQ he realizes that the incident had everything to do with my death. Please :app: :app:
Please don't twist my words around. I said Cofilliano was ignorant, ignorant in regards to that particular situation because he wasn't present.
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I just got PM'd to leave the vehicle once I lost suspection however the other guy in the vehicle had 6 seconds left. Just putting this here..
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Please don't twist my words around. I said Cofilliano was ignorant, ignorant in regards to that particular situation because he wasn't present.
And therefore I could call you ignorant for not knowing the server rules? Apparently upon losing suspection the person is RP dead.
Too bad he had to eat, you can't force him to Re-Roleplay something and he doesn't have the obligation to do so.
The funniest thing about this was that the officer from FBI and also a member of the staff team (moderator) which was very unpolite even calling me and cofiliano "ignorants and irrelevants" made me spend my time in such bullshit and 10 mins after I get in FBI's HQ he realizes that the incident had everything to do with my death. Please :app: :app:
And that, BeDifrent aka Pedro Gvardia. Apparently even you acknowledged that his death was related with the incident. So are you blatantly lying to our faces in this thread?
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Guys, treat other how you want to be treated. And by my recent encounter, all these complaints could not be more invalid.
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And therefore I could call you ignorant for not knowing the server rules? Apparently upon losing suspection the person is RP dead.
Too bad he had to eat, you can't force him to Re-Roleplay something and he doesn't have the obligation to do so.
Pedro's suspection wasn't for any particular crime. It was just because he was in FBI custody.
Pedro also agreed prior to quitting the server that the roleplay will be continued when he gets back.
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But then again, directed at your first sentence, how is this going to make everyone have their happy and fun times, when you, the owner, are clearly saying that cops are supposed to win everytime? - And how is Roleplay anything related with 'following the principle where 'good guys' always win'? I'm sure Roleplay is something where you take actions that would be otherwise found IRL. Where you find a line based IRL, not a film. You don't find the good guys always winning throughout history, now do you? There isbalance between good and evil. For more scary that may sound, 'where's light, there's also darkness'.
Because criminals do not always have to shoot and be suspected. Try other ways of role play. When I was a criminal (and I was for quite a while). I roleplayed with my family, with other families, yes we had guns, yes we made threats. But shootouts? About 1/10 role plays. Now adays I notice that 9/10 roleplays ends with guns blazing.
Yesterday, cops were minding their own business when a call came up of huge gang activity, we organised teams and made sure that everyone would be checked coming in and out of San Fierro. We did not want to 'engage' in the situation that the crime families were having, yet we wanted to use the opportunity to start a roleplay for ourselves. Yet moans came up because we were in 'their' city. It seems that the criminals do not want to be disturbed during their 'roleplay' which is expanded all over the map. But that's the past and this is the future.
What I like to see, is more 'cooperation' in roleplay between criminal families, and criminal - police. Not everything has to be handled with guns or arrestations. Make sure you show what you like to happen in the situation, PM the cops and inform them how you would like the roleplay to go, which kind of direction, a roleplay can be full of suprises but if you let one handle it, the other may not like it. And vise-versa.
I hope this is useful for some, any questions, roleplay questions, or organisations may be asked, I am open for a lot of different ideas, questions or concerns so don't hesitate to ask :)
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I got suspected for being stand still on a car and even on foot near a criminal without brandishing any guns and was even shot down using m4's without resisting arrest. Good job FBI :app:
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what if I pick up a suspected friend (say he killed cop 15 min rhl) with no car and get suspected for aiding, then manage to escape with the other dude still suspected with me. do I give him the car and just go about my day? is picking him up allowed in the first place or should I leave him stranded and helpless?
regarding this whole FBI thing, I'd expect it to be null and void if Pedro does not wish to roleplay with them considering the no force roleplay rule - which I would not blame him if he didn't want to, considering FBI's aggressive attitude towards roleplay these days and tendency for extremely long-winded roleplay...
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And therefore I could call you ignorant for not knowing the server rules? Apparently upon losing suspection the person is RP dead.
Too bad he had to eat, you can't force him to Re-Roleplay something and he doesn't have the obligation to do so.
If a player has to leave during an active situation, then that situation is voided for the time. If that is for example during a warrant and the person is suspected, then that scene is voided and may be continued/ restarted at another point of time, otherwise people could just keep leaving every time there is a court case/ warrant execution, come back in the middle of the night and act as it is voided due to them 'escaping'.
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I got suspected for being stand still on a car and even on foot near a criminal without brandishing any guns and was even shot down using m4's without resisting arrest. Good job FBI :app:
Take your complaints to fbi.argonathrpg.com or you can make a player report on these forums somewhere. But there is no need to bring your complaint into this topic, when it isn't even related.
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without resisting arrest. Good job FBI :app:
Sure.
Not just that you yell "Go ahead, i dont give a fuck" and start attacking me, taking half my armour, but also dare to come here and spread such misinformation regarding a situation which was caused merely by how immature you are. Just prooves how valid any of these complaints are. I never thought my respect for a group could go to non existant in a matter of ten minutes.
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I got suspected for being stand still on a car and even on foot near a criminal without brandishing any guns and was even shot down using m4's without resisting arrest. Good job FBI :app:
Were you asked to surrender between the suspection and death?
Were you moving during the situation?
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Law enforcement will forever be more superior to us. We just need to live with it I suppose..
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Take your complaints to fbi.argonathrpg.com or you can make a player report on these forums somewhere. But there is no need to bring your complaint into this topic, when it isn't even related.
How is it not related when Gandalf himself just said you can't suspect him if he is just even sitting only in a car?
You thought this whole new rule would just be addressed to us?
You just went against server rules.
Just to add a warning for the 'other side' that may be lost. Cops should not suspect someone just because they are with or near a suspected criminal. They have no way of knowing if this person is involved unless they shoot ot threaten the lives of the cops.
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Thread derailed. Lock incoming pls.
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I never thought my respect for a group could go to non existant in a matter of ten minutes.
the group does not care for the respect of someone who thinks a new member's actions mirrors the entire group, but thanks anyway
this topic seems to be getting personal. let's argue in /p about this fbi BS instead and lock this shit
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The topic did not derail, not yet.
I'm still awaiting for a response from Gandalf to my reply after his, and apprently the FBI doesn't know about this rule either, even if they're part of the administrator team.
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How is it not related when Gandalf himself just said you can't suspect him if he is just even sitting only in a car?
You thought this whole new rule would just be addressed to us?
You just went against server rules.
Please enlighten me on what server rule I just broke. Because I wasn't even in game, never mind involved in what you're referring to.
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regarding this whole FBI thing, I'd expect it to be null and void if Pedro does not wish to roleplay with them considering the no force roleplay rule - which I would not blame him if he didn't want to, considering FBI's aggressive attitude towards roleplay these days and tendency for extremely long-winded roleplay...
what if I pick up a suspected friend (say he killed cop 15 min rhl) with no car and get suspected for aiding, then manage to escape with the other dude still suspected with me. do I give him the car and just go about my day? is picking him up allowed in the first place or should I leave him stranded and helpless
Yes, it is allowed to assist a person by driving him away, yet you are not allowed to shoot (unless the cops engage you, of course)
If you escape before him, you should give him the car yes, you don't have to jump out straight away of course, but drop yourself/ him at the nearest car.
regarding this whole FBI thing, I'd expect it to be null and void if Pedro does not wish to roleplay with them considering the no force roleplay rule - which I would not blame him if he didn't want to, considering FBI's aggressive attitude towards roleplay these days and tendency for extremely long-winded roleplay...
Indeed, role play can not be forced, yet a law enforcement agency can collect evidence and request a warrant. That warrant counts as a 'late suspection' with the evidence collected. A player can be arrested for warrant purposes, for crimes they have commited a (long) time ago. You can not deny a warrant and you can not use the excuse 'I have to go' and then later return, escape because the FBI is not there anymore, and blame it on 'I escaped already'. The warrant will still be valid.
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Take your complaints to fbi.argonathrpg.com or you can make a player report on these forums somewhere. But there is no need to bring your complaint into this topic, when it isn't even related.
It is fully related tbh, haven't you read Gandalf post? Cops shouldn't suspect someone just because he is standing besides a criminal.
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this topic seems to be getting personal. let's argue in /p about this fbi BS instead and lock this shit
Please no. not on /p ... /p is filled with too much poop as it is.
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Were you asked to surrender between the suspection and death?
Were you moving during the situation?
Those are all the chatlogs, I was just running inbetween the 4 FBI agents.
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Please enlighten me on what server rule I just broke. Because I wasn't even in game, never mind involved in what you're referring to.
Then would you kindly stop replying to everyones' post that is made in this topic that you're not linked to in the first place?
Because you sure sounded related to those Screenshots that were just posted.
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Bottom line, you shit yourself when you got caught for something. That's why your leaders pm me "Is there are court case" "Is he going to court".
If you're not good enough not to get caught then don't complain when you do.
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Sure.
Not just that you yell "Go ahead, i dont give a fuck" and start attacking me, taking half my armour, but also dare to come here and spread such misinformation regarding a situation which was caused merely by how immature you are. Just prooves how valid any of these complaints are. I never thought my respect for a group could go to non existant in a matter of ten minutes.
Was I told to stop or surrender? Not really.
Did I show you any gun or was I evading? Not really.
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Those are all the chatlogs, I was just running inbetween the 4 FBI agents.
Running is a method of escaping, stand still and they won't shoot you (I hope for them.)
Then would you kindly stop replying to everyones' post that is made in this topic that you're not linked to in the first place?
Because you sure sounded related to those Screenshots that were just posted.
Public forum, he is allowed to post on any topic he wants (except for unban requests of course!). Just read over his posts if you do not like what he is writing.
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Bottom line, you shit yourself when you got caught for something. That's why your leaders pm me "Is there are court case" "Is he going to court".
If you're not good enough not to get caught then don't complain when you do.
The funny is if I used the same choice of words as you did right there, I'd probably be muted.
And a PM of a leader to ackowledge the situation is not the same as 'shit yourself'.
There's a difference and you don't know what it is.
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Then would you kindly stop replying to everyones' post that is made in this topic that you're not linked to in the first place?
Because you sure sounded related to those Screenshots that were just posted.
I was involved in the situation posted on the first page but by the second page the topic had already moved onto a completely different situation.
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Running is a method of escaping, stand still and they won't shoot you (I hope for them.)
Public forum, he is allowed to post on any topic he wants (except for unban requests of course!). Just read over his posts if you do not like what he is writing.
He is replying to every single post that is made in here, regardless if he is related to the situation or not, so why did he come here in the first place crying about a situation that 'I was not related to' to do the same exact thing?
Now I find hypocrisy there. From a Mod? WoW.
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The funny is if I used the same choice of words as you did right there, I'd probably be muted.
And a PM of a leader to ackowledge the situation is not the same as 'shit yourself'.
There's a difference and you don't know what it is.
Thing I am failing to understand is you don't even have a clue as to what happen. You weren't at any of the scenes nor involved in ANY way. Yet you keep screaming "pedro said this...!!!! Abusers !!! OOoo" or whatever.
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While Gandalf has said you cannot force rp, he has also said that if you do not feel for roleplaying on a roleplay server you should just /q.
That's what I tell to terrorists who kill 20 cops and dont want to go to minas morgul.
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I was involved in the situation posted on the first page but by the second page the topic had already moved onto a completely different situation.
Fair enough then.
Thing I am failing to understand is you don't even have a clue as to what happen. You weren't at any of the scenes nor involved in ANY way. Yet you keep screaming "pedro said this...!!!! Abusers !!! OOoo" or whatever.
Could you please show me the logs? Else you're blatantly lying in a topic and as an admin that is not supported in anyway.
So I'd like to see the logs.
Because all I made referance to was him to not RP. So, show me the logs, where me, Rafael, said to Pedro to call them abusers. It's a right has a player when acused by the staff.
While Gandalf has said you cannot force rp, he has also said that if you do not feel for roleplaying on a roleplay server you should just /q.
That's what I tell to terrorists who kill 20 cops and dont want to go to minas morgul.
Then why don't cops follow that line of thoughts and when a Kidnap occurs you just send the SWAT to rush in?
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Running is a method of escaping, stand still and they won't shoot you (I hope for them.)
That's right, you hope.. I also hoped that I wouldn't be suspected just for standing still next to a suspect without helping him and I did.
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He is replying to every single post that is made in here, regardless if he is related to the situation or not, so why did he come here in the first place crying about a situation that 'I was not related to' to do the same exact thing?
Now I find hypocrisy there. From a Mod? WoW.
So do I, and it also seems like you are replying to most of the posts. Nothing wrong with that, he is free to give his feedback and I do not see him 'crying' or being a hypocrite at all, everyone has different opinions and ways of handling items, respect it.
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That's right, you hope.. I also hoped that I wouldn't be suspected just for standing still next to a suspect without helping him and I did.
Shit happens, we're all here to have fun and we all make mistakes sometimes, even though it is what is always shouted, and what I was annoyed with too when I was a criminal, I do yet think that '/gu and ask for an investigation' is the best outcome in one of these situations.
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You can not deny a warrant and you can not use the excuse 'I have to go' and then later return,
"I have to go" is a really valid excuse when FBI takes 2-3 hours for a single roleplay well into the night
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"I have to go" is a really valid excuse when FBI takes 2-3 hours for a single roleplay well into the night
I've got a 60 minute temp ban for it once!
I do understand that when an item takes more then 1 hour, especially if it is rather one sided, gets boring and annoying. But you could always ask to speed up the item, or fast forward it with a nice outcome, that way one does not have to be annoyed and can continue to the parts of roleplay on the server he enjoys.
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Shit happens, we're all here to have fun and we all make mistakes sometimes, even though it is what is always shouted, and what I was annoyed with too when I was a criminal, I do yet think that '/gu and ask for an investigation' is the best outcome in one of these situations.
And get a 2 hour boring investigation by the FBI? No thanks.
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Could you please show me the logs? Else you're blatantly lying in a topic and as an admin that is not supported in anyway.
So I'd like to see the logs.
It was a brief version of what you were doing in /p in-game. Pedro told me this and then you became his spokesman in /p getting involved in something which you know nothing about.
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I've got a 60 minute temp ban for it once!
I do understand that when an item takes more then 1 hour, especially if it is rather one sided, gets boring and annoying. But you could always ask to speed up the item, or fast forward it with a nice outcome, that way one does not have to be annoyed and can continue to the parts of roleplay on the server he enjoys.
But then again, if you feel that you have to skip a Roleplay you should just /q.(?)
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And get a 2 hour boring investigation by the FBI? No thanks.
You are the one that can make it fun :)
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"I have to go" is a really valid excuse when FBI takes 2-3 hours for a single roleplay well into the night
We had no issue with Pedro leaving the server, he left before he was even put in the Rancher. Sure, he is free to do that and we can not stop him. However when he returned, we wanted to continue what we started prior to him leaving.
The interrogation actually took around 15 minutes.
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It was a brief version of what you were doing in /p in-game. Pedro told me this and then you became his spokesman in /p getting involved in something which you know nothing about.
I want to see the logs. Not your words, because that was not me and you're blatantly saying it was me for everyone.
I was asking about a Rule and why did FBI do that, I never called you abusers nor anything like it, so, show me the logs.
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But then again, if you feel that you have to skip a Roleplay you should just /q.(?)
No, as long as you do not deny a roleplay. 'fast forwarding' or in a sense 'skipping' parts is not an issue, we are not going to force to be be bored/ annoyed for 2 hours.
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Then why don't cops follow that line of thoughts and when a Kidnap occurs you just send the SWAT to rush in?
Because kidnapping random cops/citizens off the street, calling the COPS and demanding money from COPS as ransom is not a roleplay situation. That is of course unless you are roleplaying a terrorist group.
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You are the one that can make it fun :)
until FBI tries to take his assets over an isolated incident
or even try to press it on a group because of the tag at the end of his name. but ofc this is just speculation
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Also just to be clear. It wasn't us who went to pedro for the second time, it was him who pmed us because he wanted to continue. If he knew this shit was going to happen as soon as we got there we would have never come.
I suspect someone filled his head with other things.
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I had to go have dinner and when I returned I had no problems in continuing the RolePlay as long as you guys weren't after me for something I've done in the scene I died, you guys even explained 1000 times using Arslan expressions and when I get in FBI's HQ you tell me that I've seen aiming a sniper at a federal agent, some minutes after that incident I die at OD by you in the same RP scene.
Now explain me how wasn't this making me spend my time? For real, I love roleplaying but not without a proper reason
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until FBI tries to take his assets over an isolated incident
or even try to press it on a group because of the tag at the end of his name. but ofc this is just speculation
Seen it happen once, and they failed.
Drugs, true ..- But in my opinion, they can't force you to give them all your drugs, as there is no way to store them at the moment.
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No, as long as you do not deny a roleplay. 'fast forwarding' or in a sense 'skipping' parts is not an issue, we are not going to force to be be bored/ annoyed for 2 hours.
Then you should make your Roleplay more fluid instead of taking 2 hours, to give other players the will to actually want to /q, you are not fitted for a RP server.
Because kidnapping random cops/citizens off the street, calling the COPS and demanding money from COPS as ransom is not a roleplay situation. That is of course unless you are roleplaying a terrorist group.
Today a cop came to Gvardia at Ocean Docks, they kidnapped him, I engaged Dean(Something, high officer from SAPD) to negociate, as soon as we started the other cops stormed and killed everyone. We took an opportunity and we did not call the cops, it was a well driven kidnap, with some /r inbetween and /area ID. And when a higher officer was negociating the rest ignored it and just storm-killed thewhole Gvardia group. Who are the terrorists again?
Also just to be clear. It wasn't us who went to pedro for the second time, it was him who pmed us because he wanted to continue. If he knew this shit was going to happen as soon as we got there we would have never come.
I suspect someone filled his head with other things.
I'm still waiting for the logs proving I was the one saying FBI was abusing. If you cannot prove it you just came to a topic blatantly lying. Well done for a Mod.
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I had to go have dinner and when I returned I had no problems in continuing the RolePlay as long as you guys weren't after me for something I've done in the scene I died, you guys even explained 1000 times using Arslan expressions and when I get in FBI's HQ you tell me that I've seen aiming a sniper at a federal agent, some minutes after that incident I die at OD by you in the same RP scene.
Now explain me how wasn't this making me spend my time? For real, I love roleplaying but not without a proper reason
As soon as that was figured out, you were let go. There was no need for such a fuss after all. :)
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Of course I PMed you, I didn't want you to think I left to avoid roleplaying or any other bullshit, but during the dinner I thought about the situation itself and you were obviously chasing someone dead. I'm done here lads, hope you can catch me other day with some decent reason
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As soon as that was figured out, you were let go. There was no need for such a fuss after all. :)
This ain't even about that anymore. It's about the damn rule that noone seems to understand.
And apparent blatant liars.
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Then you should make your Roleplay more fluid instead of taking 2 hours, to give other players the will to actually want to /q, you are not fitted for a RP server.
Today a cop came to Gvardia at Ocean Docks, they kidnapped him, I engaged Dean(Something, high officer from SAPD) to negociate, as soon as we started the other cops stormed and killed everyone. We took an opportunity and we did not call the cops, it was a well driven kidnap, with some /r inbetween and /area ID. And when a higher officer was negociating the rest ignored it and just storm-killed thewhole Gvardia group. Who are the terrorists again?
I'm still waiting for the logs proving I was the one saying FBI was abusing. If you cannot prove it you just came to a topic blatantly lying. Well done for a Mod.
Then you should make your Roleplay more fluid instead of taking 2 hours, to give other players the will to actually want to /q, you are not fitted for a RP server.
I always had fun when I was role playing with cops, long investigations made it fun as you had a chance to fight back!
I'm still waiting for the logs proving I was the one saying FBI was abusing. If you cannot prove it you just came to a topic blatantly lying. Well done for a Mod.
Please stop acusing/ provoking people of lying and about their mod status. Just because he is not posting logs, doesn't mean he is lying. No need to keep shouting that. It is rather hard for an admin to share logs due to the fact of admin chat.
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some minutes after that incident
lol man.. I am speechless. we have screen of the exact time of both incidents. This is a joke. You were caught at 17:41, OD happen at 19:04. Yet you continue to claim it was mins apart and argue. Which is the reason for this topic. Luckily we screen everything.
Nothing more to add. You guys just making up stuff which has no foundation.
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Today a cop came to Gvardia at Ocean Docks, they kidnapped him, I engaged Dean(Something, high officer from SAPD) to negociate, as soon as we started the other cops stormed and killed everyone. We took an opportunity and we did not call the cops, it was a well driven kidnap, with some /r inbetween and /area ID. And when a higher officer was negociating the rest ignored it and just storm-killed thewhole Gvardia group. Who are the terrorists again?
Gvardia kidnapped a cop for going to ocean docks to see what's up? If that's the only reason then it's terrorism rather than mafioso... A true mafia would rather hide or leave the cop alone until he leaves rather than make a big scene as such.
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lol man.. I am speechless. we have screen of the exact time of both incidents. This is a joke. You were caught at 17:41, OD happen at 19:04. Yet you continue to claim it was mins apart and argue. Which is the reason for this topic. Luckily we screen everything.
I'm sorry if your roleplays are only "Hands up" *takes out m4 and shoots*
Yes, it was a damn long roleplay but it was all the same, with the same members. You failed why don't you admit it for god sake
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Removed since incident passed.
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Removed since incident passed.
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I'm sorry if your roleplays are only "Hands up" *takes out m4 and shoots*
Yes, it was a damn long roleplay but it was all the same, with the same members. You failed why don't you admit it for god sake
....................First you state it was mins apart, now its a god dam long role play. When did anyone *takes out m4 and shoots*. You're a joke mate. You weren't RPing with *blank* It was the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Also no one even shot a single bullet during the execution. Do you suggest we come for a mobster with bananas when we do a warrant?
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Gvardia kidnapped a cop for going to ocean docks to see what's up? If that's the only reason then it's terrorism rather than mafioso... A true mafia would rather hide or leave the cop alone until he leaves rather than make a big scene as such.
A true mafia would take the advantage over a lower-ranking cop to seek out information.
A true mafia would not a cop go inbetween their business, specially one that did not came prepared or with backup. He saw us doing our business, we had an opportunity we took it. The plan was to get information from general PD affairs in the first place. Which seems a pretty reasonable thing to do for a mafia.
We didn't go exactly to Ocean Docks to 'fish'.
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Oh come on, please come in game I'll give you the $500 you'd get for jailing me, and I'll let you take a printscreen of you jailing me, if that's what you after, for real, you're pissing me off, plus your low levels of education are incredible.
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....................First you state it was mins apart, now its a god dam long role play. When did anyone *takes out m4 and shoots*. You're a joke mate. You weren't RPing with *blank* It was the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Also no one even shot a single bullet during the execution. Do you suggest we come for a mobster with bananas when we do a warrant?
Funny. Because when I got wrongly suspected and left the vehicle about to surrender, I was welcomed with about 20 rounds of M4.
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Oh come on, please come in game I'll give you the $500 you'd get for jailing me, and I'll let you take a printscreen of you jailing me, if that's what you after, for real, you're pissing me off, plus your low levels of education are incredible.
So.... that has nothing to do with what I said. btw my networth is over 800k don't need $500 mate. :)
Truth hurts.
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So.... that has nothing to do with what I said. btw my networth is over 800k don't need $500 mate. :)
Truth hurts.
You're embarassing yourself at this point.
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So is mine... lol
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I personaly, and, I believe, majority of cops would be in favor of being able to resuspect people who continue to aid after escape, rather than having them admin punished. The new script has so many flaws. It should just be as simple as that: if the aider does not leave the vehicle immediatly upon evading, he is a subject for re-suspection. Both sides profit.
This has been around since RS3 and ihas there for nothing to do with any new script or rule. Just every now and then people try to get out of it.
As mentioned, the script that controls the escape is one of the most complex, and taking it out would make many people happy. However I can predict people will be crying for the return within weeks.
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Please don't start the money hungry argument, it's simply not the case.
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This has been around since RS3 and ihas there for nothing to do with any new script or rule. Just every now and then people try to get out of it.
As mentioned, the script that controls the escape is one of the most complex, and taking it out would make many people happy. However I can predict people will be crying for the return within weeks.
But noone is asking for the suspect system to be deleted, just to this new rule to be lifted it makes no sense RP-wise in most ofthe situations...
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You're embarassing yourself at this point.
It's what we all say when we're left speechless. Its cool.
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It's what we all say when we're left speechless. Its cool.
I'm speechless to your lack of attitude as a Moderator. I also posted the logs, so I'm waiting for you to show me where did I say you were abusing.
So far, my opinion about you being blatantly lying did not change. You spread false accusations about me so why should we believe in anything you're saying now?
The logs have been posted, if you could copy paste the lines where I said FBI was abusing I'd be glad. Otherwise go lie somewhere else.
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Don't have time to argue with you. I proved wrong the reason this topic was made. All to do with the warrant. Enough said. All you guys did was make up stuff and began to contradict yourself.
As I said earlier it was a brief of what you were doing overall in /p. Moaning because your bff got arrested.
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Don't have time to argue with you.
It's what we all say when we're left speechless. Its cool.
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:lol:
Nothing he said was related to the objective of this topic so why waste my time? Editing things out of context isn't funny.
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But then again, directed at your first sentence, how is this going to make everyone have their happy and fun times, when you, the owner, are clearly saying that cops are supposed to win everytime? - And how is Roleplay anything related with 'following the principle where 'good guys' always win'? I'm sure Roleplay is something where you take actions that would be otherwise found IRL. Where you find a line based IRL, not a film. You don't find the good guys always winning throughout history, now do you? There isbalance between good and evil. For more scary that may sound, 'where's light, there's also darkness'.
I guess you need to learn a lot about roleplay. First of all I have explained our stance on how the play should be. If that does not make you happy, tough luck.
As for roleplay always being real life, tell that to the people who do Dungeons and Dragons or Vampire Diaries. roleplay...
And regarding the comment about the suspect, if you follow a line of realism, no member of a criminal group would leave anyone behind in a shootout, Mafias/Gangs have a code.
And what you're saying is, using Corleone as an example, they're having a shootout where the higher hierarchy members are involved, you expect them to leave the scene upon losing suspection and ignore the fact that their leaders are in danger because a script says so?
Even in a pursuit, that course of action would not happen in a movie where good guys are supposed to win. There would be no way where someone would go 'Well, they saw my face, and I shoot them, but something tells me I'm no longer wanted for some reason, so I'll just walk away and they will ignore me, else god may ban me'.
Gandalf, man, you know better. And know what I mean, you know me for years, I do have a point. I'm not asking for you to remove the suspect system entirely, leave it, it's fine. Just work around this rule, it makes no sense...
If people lose suspection in the middle of a shootout they are taking part in, there is something wrong with the script.
Not a realistic example there for.
Once again let me remind you of the history of th escape.
Initially there were just two options: fight or give up. Because of losing things when dying (at that particular time) lots op people did not want to die and quit when cornered. They asked ofr a possibility to lose suspection so they could get in to a new roleplay without having to die or give up.
Our initial script in RS3 was to confess in church. However the cops were both lazy and smart enough to sit with a stack of donuts in front of all churches and kill anyone who tried to confess. So that one was scrapped, leaving players with the wish to be able to escape.
Inspired by GTA:IV our then head scripter CBFASI created this, by making a script that would remove suspect level if you stay away from cops long enough. It seemed strange to anyone that you first try to stay away from cops until suspect is removed, and then decide to get back in to action. This lead to the current situation. As this was already present in RS3 and RS4 nobody should tell it is in any way a new rule.
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Don't have time to argue with you. I proved wrong the reason this topic was made. All to do with the warrant. Enough said. All you guys did was make up stuff and began to contradict yourself.
As I said earlier it was a brief of what you were doing overall in /p. Moaning because your bff got arrested.
I asked something to the admin team, and noone of them seemed to be as upset as you're now. I asked something about the new rules since I came back from a long inactivity, I did not moan at all, you took it that way.
I'm still waiting to see where did I call FBI abusers.
And drop the attitude as a Moderator, you should be an example not someone who randomly insults when the tide turns against you.
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But noone is asking for the suspect system to be deleted, just to this new rule to be lifted it makes no sense RP-wise in most ofthe situations...
As shown above it is not new at all and makews a lot of sense. Lifting it would simply make the escape possibility unneeded.
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I guess you need to learn a lot about roleplay. First of all I have explained our stance on how the play should be. If that does not make you happy, tough luck.
As for roleplay always being real life, tell that to the people who do Dungeons and Dragons or Vampire Diaries. roleplay... If people lose suspection in the middle of a shootout they are taking part in, there is something wrong with the script.
Not a realistic example there for.
Once again let me remind you of the history of th escape.
Initially there were just two options: fight or give up. Because of losing things when dying (at that particular time) lots op people did not want to die and quit when cornered. They asked ofr a possibility to lose suspection so they could get in to a new roleplay without having to die or give up.
Our initial script in RS3 was to confess in church. However the cops were both lazy and smart enough to sit with a stack of donuts in front of all churches and kill anyone who tried to confess. So that one was scrapped, leaving players with the wish to be able to escape.
Inspired by GTA:IV our then head scripter CBFASI created this, by making a script that would remove suspect level if you stay away from cops long enough. It seemed strange to anyone that you first try to stay away from cops until suspect is removed, and then decide to get back in to action. This lead to the current situation. As this was already present in RS3 and RS4 nobody should tell it is in any way a new rule.
Actually I do some bit of Roleplay in some servers of WoW.
And the base still follows, you take RP actions as you'd otherwise do IRL. Set on the time and the ambience you're currently playing on, in this case in the world of Warcraft.
Roleplay is still consistently present these days, by going to a theater you see Roleplay. They're pretending and acting based upon the scene they're presenting to the audience.
Same goes here, as a roleplay based upon criminal activity we are surely supposed to escape, but when you're Roleplaying a criminal within a group, you would otherwise take the bullet for your leaders, and you have the fine example of Yakuza in the present days, where they mutilate themselves to prove loyalty. I'm sure I'm not the one who has to learn about Roleplay at all.
And the rule I'm talking about is the one where if we're sitting in a vehicle suspects, with other suspects and we have to abandon the vehicle because the script says we're no longer criminals it's just plain stupid and unbiased. Regarding the thing you said, losing suspection intentionaly,by being arrested just to re-join the Roleplay without the cops, that's another situation and it's not what I'm talking about here, nor on the first post.
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Gandalf, you should know by now good doesn't always win, at least not everywhere.
I've always been asked to leave when escaping, but always in /pm or /p by a cop. ( Then after by an admin, but the cop goes first. ) What's the point of committing THE SAME CRIME as your fellow, but the fellow gets the crime, because the script doesn't suspect two people, and then having to leave the situation because "escaped". Since when do you even escape in the RL ? The escape system has flaws, this rule is not a solution and obviously needs tweaking.
So, back in the past we dealt with the fact that police had an advantage over criminal groups simply because they could return as they please upon facing death in the same exact Roleplay scenario. Everyone used to discuss that until it became factual that it would be an allowed rule and it would stay. Alright, people accepted it and move on.
On a side-note: Why are cops STILL allowed to return after death ? They no longer obtain a new badge, as in rs4. All they get is new equipment.
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I haven't actually read anything more than the OP, but here's my take:
This rule is retarded.
Why:
I am a driver. My suspection time will be <10 minutes, because I'm not going to kill or shoot anyone. But I'm by far the best driver in any group I participate in, so they leave that to me. However, anyone else in my car may have a suspection time of 30 minutes or so, for killing someone (I don't agree with killing, especially what criminal groups today do, but sometimes it is required in RP). That leaves them in a difficult situation; cops chasing us, and me having to leave because of this rule.
What to do:
If there is a suspect in a passenger seat of the vehicle, automatically suspect the driver (after a certain time, 1 minute or such) for aiding. This suspection should be cleared (with delay, 1 minute or such) when the suspect leaves the car or is unsuspected.
I think this is by far the best choice, as it allows the rule to stay unchanged, but clears the worst case scenario for criminals (and admins).
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Auto-suspect is just a bad thing. You execute someone in middle of the desert or in the middle of sea and you are suspected automatically? Why? Why there is /area command? If you want to encourage RP these things are completely unnecessary.
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thank you for your concise replies, Gandalf.
okay, so let's say I escape suspection (for aiding) successfully while driving my suspected (for killing cop) friend. no cops are in active pursuit, or at least not anywhere near us. am i still obligated to separate myself from him, or is this only applicable if there are police pursuing?
for how specific of a rule this is there sure is an awful lot of grey area. common sense tells me no i don't have to ditch him but just in case someone tells me otherwise...
also, to FBI: it's no fun roleplaying with you guys when it seems your only motive behind the roleplay is to pursue a criminal case - even less fun when you folks actually get angry and aggressive outside of roleplay when the roleplay is not going the way you want... if you're not having fun roleplaying then I'm not either and won't trouble you any further.
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Just gonna add into here, Most cops do this.. if your in say a sultan evading Police, and because your crime isnt worthy of being driveby'd and that your car is slower then the Police cruisers they cant Driveby but if you have a suspected Passenger and they driveby that allows them to fire back at you.. and if you get a gap inbetween and then the drivebyer gets unsuspected, does that mean that the cops can still driveby? because they mostly always do
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I am sorry but I cannot just watch my group being accused of such nuisance.
First of all, our roleplays never take two hours to investigate someone, if the person is being cooperative. By being cooperative I do not mean going the way we want to, but by flowing with the roleplay. Some people just purposely stall the roleplay, disobeying the agents, such as refusing to being dragged when cuffed, trolling buth inside and outside of roleplay. The processing procedure usually takes five minutes, but with people like those it can rise up to half an hour. Most people think that by being asshats and troll endlessly they'll get us annoyed and we'll aparently let them go or skip the RP. I should warn you that this will never happen because one of the reasons we made it into the FBI is because we're patient. We will continue the investigation no matter what, and by being an ass/troll in a roleplay, you're the only one loosing time.
In same situations it's understandable that we indeed can get aggressive in roleplays. You cannot expect a person who's being treated like an ass to be very cool about it. So basically, you get the same quality roleplay as you roleplay with us.
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And how exactly you guys roleplay? With /m1 and pulling guns out straight? Even Gulucans in their worst times had more RP than most of cops nowdays.. I wouldnt like to generalize, there is also cool and enthusiastic guys that actually put some effort in roleplay but majority is like that.. Most of you don't even check crimes, just shoot straight away.. I don't mind for that at all but when you complain at criminals it just becomes disgusting..
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And the rule I'm talking about is the one where if we're sitting in a vehicle suspects, with other suspects and we have to abandon the vehicle because the script says we're no longer criminals it's just plain stupid and unbiased. Regarding the thing you said, losing suspection intentionaly,by being arrested just to re-join the Roleplay without the cops, that's another situation and it's not what I'm talking about here, nor on the first post.
This rule has been around for quite a long time, I understand it may be rather annoying now and then, having to leave your buddies behind, but that's how it has worked since 2011, at least.
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And how exactly you guys roleplay? With /m1 and pulling guns out straight? Even Gulucans in their worst times had more RP than most of cops nowdays.. I wouldnt like to generalize, there is also cool and enthusiastic guys that actually put some effort in roleplay but majority is like that.. Most of you don't even check crimes, just shoot straight away.. I don't mind for that at all but when you complain at criminals it just becomes disgusting..
That is a very heavy accusation considering the fact we don't respond to suspects anymore unless directly asked for assistance or the crime is a federal one. We do not and never did support orange dot hunting policy.
Our roleplays are performed in our HQ. If you were ever detained by the FBI, you would know.
Yet, it is not us moaning and complaining. It has become rather a standart for criminal organisations to moan with creating a public topic of nothing but plain crapping on the ARPD whenever stuff does not go their way. And even in those cases the complaints are very rarely legit. They are not even about fair or unfair. It's about "I'M GONNA HAVE IT MY WAY NO MATTER WHAT." You do not see cops creating moaning topics whenever they get pointlessly deathmatched or have their roleplays ruined by criminal organisations on a daily basis. But just you dare to do something a criminal does not like, there's dozen of public topics shitting on the cops and how they're abusive and so on. So it's really questionable which side is being disgusting.
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okay, so let's say I escape suspection (for aiding) successfully while driving my suspected (for killing cop) friend. no cops are in active pursuit, or at least not anywhere near us. am i still obligated to separate myself from him, or is this only applicable if there are police pursuing?I as an admin/ cop won't force you to leave your friend if you are not actively being pursued by a cop. But i'd rather see you let him drive, so the situation occurs the 'wanted' person could start driving and you could 'leave' the situation soon after, without the cops being unsure of what happened, and re-suspecting you. This way there won't be an endless suspection cycle.
also, to FBI: it's no fun roleplaying with you guys when it seems your only motive behind the roleplay is to pursue a criminal case - even less fun when you folks actually get angry and aggressive outside of roleplay when the roleplay is not going the way you want... if you're not having fun roleplaying then I'm not either and won't trouble you any further.
Could say the same for a rather big amount of criminals. No matter what kind of roleplay, even if I make it go in to their favour, quite an amount of people start moaning because they just, do not want to role play.
I don't want to be normally patrolling, and then see a group of criminals drive-by my vehicle while I am not engaging them at all, just trying to have my own role-play.
I do not enjoy being killed by a maffia for a simple traffic stop I do to exercise some roleplay.
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I am sorry but I cannot just watch my group being accused of such nuisance.
First of all, our roleplays never take two hours to investigate someone, if the person is being cooperative. By being cooperative I do not mean going the way we want to, but by flowing with the roleplay. Some people just purposely stall the roleplay, disobeying the agents, such as refusing to being dragged when cuffed, trolling buth inside and outside of roleplay. The processing procedure usually takes five minutes, but with people like those it can rise up to half an hour. Most people think that by being asshats and troll endlessly they'll get us annoyed and we'll aparently let them go or skip the RP. I should warn you that this will never happen because one of the reasons we made it into the FBI is because we're patient. We will continue the investigation no matter what, and by being an ass/troll in a roleplay, you're the only one loosing time.
In same situations it's understandable that we indeed can get aggressive in roleplays. You cannot expect a person who's being treated like an ass to be very cool about it. So basically, you get the same quality roleplay as you roleplay with us.
I have been in FBI investigations where I had to be there for 4+ hours, bringing up valid evidence against what I have done, and brought up valid items out of the constitution and minds weren't changed.
Long role-plays are fine but you have to give some way for the other party, you can't just start with Bob has committed a kidnap and that's all that matters we won't accept any counter evidence.
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And how exactly you guys roleplay? With /m1 and pulling guns out straight? Even Gulucans in their worst times had more RP than most of cops nowdays.. I wouldnt like to generalize, there is also cool and enthusiastic guys that actually put some effort in roleplay but majority is like that.. Most of you don't even check crimes, just shoot straight away.. I don't mind for that at all but when you complain at criminals it just becomes disgusting..
Could say the same for quite an amount of criminals, just pull out their guns and shoot.
A few weeks ago I was doing ARA work, just minding my own business, got kidnapped by a group of 4 people for no reason, they knocked me out, starting arguing about how rich I was and killed me. Cops do not always 'enjoy' a role play either. And both parties have to work on their intensity of roleplays, we are all here to have fun, and we all have to work for that to work.
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That is a very heavy accusation considering the fact we don't respond to suspects anymore unless directly asked for assistance or the crime is a federal one. We do not and never did support orange dot hunting policy.
Our roleplays are performed in our HQ - interrogations, investigations , suspect processing, border patrols, corruption investigations and so on.
I've seen different, even after the regulations have changed. Yes I have also reported such.
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I've seen different, even after the regulations have changed. Yes I have also reported such.
If you have and reported it - then it most likely was dealt with. I've been away for quite some time and have just returned, and so far haven't seen anyone disobeying this procedure.
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So the criminals vs cops topic gets turned to criminals vs FBI as far as I have read.
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This rule has been around for quite a long time, I understand it may be rather annoying now and then, having to leave your buddies behind, but that's how it has worked since 2011, at least.
But you never had the obligation to leave vehicle as soon as you lost suspection in order to not face a ban. You had the option to leave or to stay and be re-suspect for aiding your friends. Now if we do so we might as well get banned. SO no, this wasn't around since 2011.
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But you never had the obligation to leave vehicle as soon as you lost suspection in order to not face a ban. You had the option to leave or to stay and be re-suspect for aiding your friends. Now if we do so we might as well get banned. SO no, this wasn't around since 2011.
It's a rule to leave the vehicle however it's not bannable. It is punishable and if you refuse a tempban may be used as a last resort.
Keep in mind it's not a case of "Lose suspection > instantly jump out of the car", it's more like remove yourself from the situation when you get the chance to - you find another car or there is a way for you to get away from the current roleplay situation.
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It's a rule to leave the vehicle however it's not bannable. It is punishable and if you refuse a tempban may be used as a last resort.
Keep in mind it's not a case of "Lose suspection > instantly jump out of the car", it's more like remove yourself from the situation when you get the chance to - you find another car or there is a way for you to get away from the current roleplay situation.
And how does that even make sense, when YOU were the first one to help me and/or Flash when we were suspects, and even in Gvardia times to aid your fellow family members.
As an ex-mafioso, you know how Mafia-related wars turn out to be set.
They/You plan a strike, execute it, succeed on some of your enemies, the rest leave as an evasive manouver. Thos, this will eventually lead to some of the members of your family to be suspected. So, basically what this rule brings is both the groups to split up between the suspects and the non-suspects. Giving advantage to the group that was primarily in defense but now is standing in the offensive side; because of a rule that does not allow you to aid your fellow members because a suspection script says so,the now on offensive Family willalready have the upper hand because at this point the suspects are the only ones alive in that RP scenario, since now suspection is taking place.
This rule has no fundamentation to be applied, it should be a matter of decision to leave as a unsuspected person, or remain in the vehicle to aid your friends. That's why you can easily be re-suspected. And in the end of the day you will be.
It's a rule to leave the vehicle however it's not bannable. It is punishable and if you refuse a tempban may be used as a last resort.
Keep in mind it's not a case of "Lose suspection > instantly jump out of the car", it's more like remove yourself from the situation when you get the chance to - you find another car or there is a way for you to get away from the current roleplay situation.
The police will be faster at suspecting than you to find a vehicle. And as it is common the administrators will always remain in the side of the Police and we will be the ones dealing with the fact that 'You should have left the vehicle not waiting to get re-sus' and punish us. This rule, as it is, makes no sense to anyone.
Even FBI members posted that here, and so did the majority of the criminals in Argonath.
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And how does that even make sense, when YOU were the first one help me and/or Flash when we were suspects, and even in Gvardia times to aid your fellow family members.
As an ex-mafioso, you know how Mafia-related wars turn out to be set.
They/You plan a strike, execute it, succeed on some of your enemies, the rest leave. Thos, this will eventually lead to some of the members of your family to be suspected. So, basically what this rule brings is both the groups to split up between the suspects and the non-suspects. Giving advantage to the group that was primarily in defense but now in the offensive side because of a rule that does not allow you to aid your fellow members because a suspection script says so.
This rule has no fundamentation to be applied, it should be a matter of decision to leave as a unsuspected person, or remain in the vehicle to aid your friends. That's why you can easily be re-suspected. And in the end of the day.
The police will be faster at suspecting, once again, than you to find a vehicle. Thos as common the administrators will always remind in the side of the Police and we will be the ones dealing with the fact that 'You should have left the vehicle not waiting to get re-sus' and punish us. This rule, as it is, makes no sense to anyone.
Even FBI members posted that here, and so did the majority of the criminals in Argonath.
Ever thought of other ways of helping your friends?
I remember a while ago, the same situation occured, I explained a group of criminals (group closed but at that time it was) a way around it, another tactic how to assist your group/ allies without having to shoot/ drive them away. They used it several times, succesful.
What I am trying to say is, use tactics that are not as ordinary as the usual ones, think out of the box.
And if you have a chat with an admin, he won't just punish you straight away. He'll give you the chance to get out of the vehicle if you tell him you will at the nearest vehicle, matter of communication.
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Ever thought of other ways of helping your friends?
I remember a while ago, the same situation occured, I explained a group of criminals (group closed but at that time it was) a way around it, another tactic how to assist your group/ allies without having to shoot/ drive them away. They used it several times, succesful.
What I am trying to say is, use tactics that are not as ordinary as the usual ones, think out of the box.
And if you have a chat with an admin, he won't just punish you straight away. He'll give you the chance to get out of the vehicle if you tell him you will at the nearest vehicle, matter of communication.
Insightful.
During a gang/war where you're being out-numbered by another group, and you kill some of the attackers in order to defend yourself, get suspected and the ones who didn't get suspected, have to abandon their family not only against the attacking family in the first place, you now have to fight the cops as well. So basically as your enemies grow, your numbers lower.
Even in a Roleplay where you manage to get some of your members to eventually kidnap a member of a rival family, a cop sees it, suspects those who firstly performed the kidnap, you are no longer to aid them with it, because you are not a suspect.
This rule is not only affecting the Criminal/Cop RP. This is also affecting the rivalry between Mafias Roleplay.
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You forgot to show the part where you assaulted multiple federal agents instead of giving up and requesting an investigation.
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Insightful.
During a gang/war where you're being out-numbered by another group, and you kill some of the attackers in order to defend yourself, get suspected and the ones who didn't get suspected, have to abandon their family not only against the attacking family in the first place, you now have to fight the cops as well. So basically as your enemies grow, your numbers lower.
Even in a Roleplay where you manage to get some of your members to eventually kidnap a member of a rival family, a cop sees it, suspects those who firstly performed the kidnap, you are no longer to aid them with it, because you are not a suspect.
This rule is not only affecting the Criminal/Cop RP. This is also affecting the rivalry between Mafias Roleplay.
I (but that's just for me, I am not talking for other staff) will not force you to leave your family members during a role play situation. Yet, during an attempt to escape (you are running from the cops) I will, as that is your goal. In another situation, something else is your goal, and I will act appropriately there if required. Every situation needs a different way of engaging it, another way of handling it and of course, looking at it another way
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You forgot to show the part where you assaulted multiple federal agents instead of giving up and requesting an investigation.
As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.
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As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.
Then do not moan about that situation :)
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As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.
An investigation of that nature is usually a 5-10min investigation, max.
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An investigation of that nature is usually a 5-10min investigation, max.
:lol:
During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints, etc, until they jail you on the end.
I'm sure more people can relate.
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I (but that's just for me, I am not talking for other staff) will not force you to leave your family members during a role play situation. Yet, during an attempt to escape (you are running from the cops) I will, as that is your goal. In another situation, something else is your goal, and I will act appropriately there if required. Every situation needs a different way of engaging it, another way of handling it and of course, looking at it another way
In different situations yes.
But if I'm with my family, and lose my suspect status you can't really ask me, to leave them behind with the huge amount of cops behind them with M4. Makes no sense, that's leaving your family members to death, because a script says you're no longer a criminal when a few minutes ago, you were shooting against the cops.
This is what this rule brings. What shouldn't be allowed is, losing suspect and run to the nearest criminal to get suspect again.
But if you're suspect in the first place with your family members you should not ask them to stop the car, leave them behind, because you lost your suspect status.
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:lol:
During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints, etc, until they jail you on the end.
I'm sure more people can say the same.
If you are suspected for aiding the SAPD will investigate you, not the FBI.
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In different situations yes.
But if I'm with my family, and lose my suspect status you can't really ask me, to leave them behind with the huge amount of cops behind them with M4. Makes no sense, that's leaving your family members to death, because a script says you're no longer a criminal when a few minutes ago, you were shooting against the cops.
This is what this rule brings. What shouldn't be allowed is, losing suspect and run to the nearest criminal to get suspect again.
But if you're suspect in the first place with your family members you should not ask them to stop the car, leave them behind, because you lost your suspect status.
Then put in some other role play, as all I am seeing when someone is suspected is a shootout against the cops.
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:lol:
During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints, etc, until they jail you on the end.
I'm sure more people can relate.
Investigations very rarely go over an hour. Also that only happens when the other person wants to continue the RP and gives us reasons/things to investigate because he likes it. No one kept you for over an hour.
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As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.
Oh no someone wanted to roleplay with you, god forbid it be more than 5 minutes without shooting occurring you may die!
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Oh no someone wanted to roleplay with you, god forbid it be more than 5 minutes without shooting occurring you may die!
As far as I know, RP should be fun for both sides. I don't really want to be annoyed for 1h while playing a game.
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As far as I know, RP should be fun for both sides. I don't really want to be annoyed for 1h while playing a game.
Then why aren't you the one making it fun?
I am hearing moans about cops just wanting to 'shoot and chase' criminals. But every time one of them engages a role play that doesn't involved shooting, criminals moan that they don't like it.
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Then put in some other role play, as all I am seeing when someone is suspected is a shootout against the cops.
I usually don't tend to shoot at them, not anymore.
But most of the times I'm the driver. So if my partner shoots, gets suspected, I'm by default obligated to leave him there to the cops will, since he is suspect and I'm not?
Lets say this happened with NitrOx, when I used to be Stracci.
NitrOx gets shoot, I'm sitting in the car as a driver, he exites the vehicle, shoots the cop, in the middle of that more cops arrive, he has no chance of surviving other than run, and in that point, since he is the only suspect I'm expected to leave him against the whole army of cops who just arrived there or died, but decided to come back again because YOLO?
So I'll just leave my 'boss' to die because the rules say so?
How's that even making it fair to the criminal groups anymore?
We don't have free weapons, nor armours. If we die we're dead, we cannot return.
Now if we're not suspects we cannot join forces with our members who need our help to survive because.-..?
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As far as I know, RP should be fun for both sides. I don't really want to be annoyed for 1h while playing a game.
No idea what your definition of fun is, but you can't expect everything to be like a gang orgy where everyone gets pleasure at the same time.
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:lol:
During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints, etc, until they jail you on the end.
I'm sure more people can relate.
If you acted the way you're doing now, then no wonder. We have patience.
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You guys like to take every topic and just run sooooooo far away from the main point. Raf just used an example in his topic. Instead of debating the rule or giving him some insight on it you guys turned this into a Criminal vs FBI shit topic.
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I usually don't tend to shoot at them, not anymore.
But most of the times I'm the driver. So if my partner shoots, gets suspected, I'm by default obligated to leave him there to the cops will, since he is suspect and I'm not?
Lets say this happened with NitrOx, when I used to be Stracci.
NitrOx gets shoot, I'm sitting in the car as a driver, he exites the vehicle, shoots the cop, in the middle of that more cops arrive, he has no chance of surviving other than run, and in that point, since he is the only suspect I'm expected to leave him against the whole army of cops who just arrived there or died, but decided to come back again because YOLO?
So I'll just leave my 'boss' to die because the rules say so?
How's that even making it fair to the criminal groups anymore?
We don't have free weapons, nor armours. If we die we're dead, we cannot return.
Now if we're not suspects we cannot join forces with our members who need our help to survive because.-..?
If you are there the whole situation, so from the start, you can assist your 'ally'. Yet, your MAIN goal as a suspect is to escape. So if you have done that. You have to leave.
So what do you want, the script to keep you suspected until everyone around you has 1 second left on their wanted timer and then have everyone escape at the same time?
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Then why aren't you the one making it fun?
It's fun for the first or second time. But after some times the process gets too repetitious.
Oh no someone wanted to roleplay with you, god forbid it be more than 5 minutes without shooting occurring you may die!
I find it lame that you say that to me, I'm one of the players who promote roleplay on this community. I barely even carry guns unless people tell me to do so.
The main reason that 18th closed and not the only, is the fact that the level of roleplay on the argonath community was too low. It was really sad to go roleplay with someone without cops camping us to see if we were going to do something wrong. And I'm not just talking about the cops, there were plenty of players that went full brackets as soon as we got to them, (( OMG DONT ROB ME I KNOW GSF )), ((PLS SPARE MY LIFE)), that kind of behaviour isn't really cool for someone who tries to roleplay.
And you should look at yourself before you say that to me. Once 18th tried to rob you, the only thing you did was to bunnyhop to a bar and heal yourself, as soon as we entered the bar to get you, we were welcomed with a shotgun, not saying a single word during the whole scene. And I tought leaders should give the example.
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I find it lame that you say that to me, I'm one of the players who promote roleplay on this community. I barely even carry guns unless people tell me to do so.
The main reason that 18th closed and not the only, is the fact that the level of roleplay on the argonath community was too low. It was really sad to go roleplay with someone without cops camping us to see if we were going to do something wrong. And I'm not just talking about the cops, there were plenty of players that went full brackets as soon as we got to them, (( OMG DONT ROB ME I KNOW GSF )), ((PLS SPARE MY LIFE)), that kind of behaviour isn't really cool for someone who tries to roleplay.
And you should look at yourself before you say that to me. Once 18th tried to rob you, the only thing you did was to bunnyhop to a bar and heal yourself, as soon as we entered the bar to get you, we were welcomed with a shotgun, not saying a single word during the whole scene. And I tought leaders should give the example.
Take a look at the picture you posted and the other posts and try again, you did exactly what you just said what shouldn't be done.
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If you are there the whole situation, so from the start, you can assist your 'ally'. Yet, your MAIN goal as a suspect is to escape. So if you have done that. You have to leave.
So what do you want, the script to keep you suspected until everyone around you has 1 second left on their wanted timer and then have everyone escape at the same time?
I want it to be like in RS4, where you would be able to remain in the vehicle until everyone eventually escaped.
If you're going to take each member at the time, eventually one of your family members will be left alone against the Hordes of SAPD with free M4 and armor.
Keep the suspect system exactly as it is. And lift that stupid rule.
Because as I said before, it not only affects Criminal/COP Roleplay but it also affects the Roleplay between Mafia-Groups.
Soon we will have nothing in our favor to keep the Criminal Roleplay interesting since the SAPD has everything in their favor.
Consequently we're already planing to be part of the Police as a whole.
We're not asking for free weapons.
We're not asking to get free armor.
We're not asking to get allowed to return after death.
The only thing we want is to be able to choose if we want to remain suspects and help our friends, and follow our purpose of losing our wanted suspection.
Basically you're removing the choice of our hands on how to Roleplay and develop our character, and that goes against all the Roleplay nature-laws.
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Take a look at the picture you posted and the other posts and try again, you did exactly what you just said what shouldn't be done.
I know I did, because I got tired of trying for months to unsucessfully promote roleplay on argonath when near cops, because it's nearly useless.
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I want it to be like in RS4, where you would be able to remain in the vehicle until everyone eventually escaped.
If you're going to take each member at the time, eventually one of your family members will be left alone against the Hordes of SAPD with free M4 and armor.
Keep the suspect system exactly as it is. And lift that stupid rule.
Because as I said before, it not only affects Criminal/COP Roleplay but it also affects the Roleplay between Mafia-Groups.
Soon we will have nothing in our favor to keep the Criminal Roleplay interesting since the SAPD has everything in their favor.
Consequently we're already planing to be part of the Police as a whole.
We're not asking for free weapons.
We're not asking to get free armor.
We're not asking to get allowed to return after death.
The only thing we want is to be able to choose if we want to remain suspects and help our friends, and follow our purpose of losing our wanted suspection.
Basically you're removing the choice of our hands on how to Roleplay and develop our character, and that goes against all the Roleplay nature-laws.
As I said already, the rule has been there for long, it just was not enforced that much until Gandalf had made another post about it.
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And you should look at yourself before you say that to me. Once 18th tried to rob you, the only thing you did was to bunnyhop to a bar and heal yourself, as soon as we entered the bar to get you, we were welcomed with a shotgun, not saying a single word during the whole scene. And I tought leaders should give the example.
:rofl: Please man, stop making me laugh. I didn't shoot anyone when you entered the bar until people started getting too close for comfort.
And yes, I did speak and roleplay but I guess you couldn't read it.
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I know I did, because I got tired of trying for months to unsucessfully promote roleplay on argonath when near cops, because it's nearly useless.
As if we don't get tired getting shot at every time we try to engage a role play situation. You ran around like a headless chicken, and as said by multiple people assaulted them. Instead of moaning set an example, yes it may be tiring but if you just stop doing what you say is good, and then blame it on others, what kind of example are you?
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:rofl: Please man, stop making me laugh. I didn't shoot anyone when you entered the bar until people started getting too close for comfort.
And yes, I did speak and roleplay but I guess you couldn't read it.
Stop distorting facts, you may have said one word or another but that doesn't deny the fact that you asspulled a a shotgun and shot us without any previous warning, which nowadays is considered DM'ing, I wasn't the only one there who saw the whole situation.
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If you are there the whole situation, so from the start, you can assist your 'ally'. Yet, your MAIN goal as a suspect is to escape. So if you have done that. You have to leave.
So what do you want, the script to keep you suspected until everyone around you has 1 second left on their wanted timer and then have everyone escape at the same time?
There is no such thing as a main goal as a suspect you guys are just making this shit up as you go along. You can't tell me my intentions as a suspect. As long as a criminal is not cop baiting or hunting admins shouldn't be involved in Criminal affairs. Cops are lazy and have no tatics and skills so they are relying on admins to help them do their work. They are only keeping for this rule to avoid having to deal with multiple suspects. Losing suspection doesn't change the fact that the player is still a criminal and can still participate in the situation. With that logic FBI and SAPD shouldnt be allowed to issue warrents on the criminal seeing that he has already lost his suspection and isn't involved in the situation.
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As if we don't get tired getting shot at every time we try to engage a role play situation. You ran around like a headless chicken, and as said by multiple people assaulted them. Instead of moaning set an example, yes it may be tiring but if you just stop doing what you say is good, and then blame it on others, what kind of example are you?
Is that hard to read? I'm tired of giving examples, go and browse through the whole 18th topic. It is useless to give examples to someone who doesn't want to learn.
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As I said already, the rule has been there for long, it just was not enforced that much until Gandalf had made another post about it.
Where ? Provide a link please.
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As I said already, the rule has been there for long, it just was not enforced that much until Gandalf had made another post about it.
I'm around since 2009 and that rule has never been enforced or even pointed out.
During events Gandalf himself sat with criminals in vehicles who partaked in events and got criminal status and fled from the cops.
That post of yours makes no sense and I'll keep my post up until someone with power and long term knowledge of the server and how it used to be prior to RS5 and even RS4 replies to me with something more than a vain reply like that.
Because that rule has never been mentioned until RS5.
I want it to be like in RS4, where you would be able to remain in the vehicle until everyone eventually escaped.
If you're going to take each member at the time, eventually one of your family members will be left alone against the Hordes of SAPD with free M4 and armor.
Keep the suspect system exactly as it is. And lift that stupid rule.
Because as I said before, it not only affects Criminal/COP Roleplay but it also affects the Roleplay between Mafia-Groups.
Soon we will have nothing in our favor to keep the Criminal Roleplay interesting since the SAPD has everything in their favor.
Consequently we're already planing to be part of the Police as a whole.
We're not asking for free weapons.
We're not asking to get free armor.
We're not asking to get allowed to return after death.
The only thing we want is to be able to choose if we want to remain suspects and help our friends, and follow our purpose of losing our wanted suspection.
Basically you're removing the choice of our hands on how to Roleplay and develop our character, and that goes against all the Roleplay nature-laws.
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Stop distorting facts, you may have said one word or another but that doesn't deny the fact that you asspulled a a shotgun and shot us without any previous warning, which nowadays is considered DM'ing, I wasn't the only one there who saw the whole situation.
And again, you were clearly not reading the chat. Fortunately for you I don't have time to waste getting logs from a situation that happened months ago.
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You guys like to take every topic and just run sooooooo far away from the main point. Raf just used an example in his topic. Instead of debating the rule or giving him some insight on it you guys turned this into a Criminal vs FBI shit topic.
You cannot expect us to watch how our group is being absurdly accused.
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And again, you were clearly not reading the chat. Fortunately for you I don't have time to waste getting logs from a situation that happened months ago.
Fortunately for me? Tell me, you were walking through a hood and four gangsters approach you with guns. Are you going to run away from them? please.
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Can all of you stop going off-topic and/or create a topic to debate how FBI pushes the boundaries of reason and focus on the primary objective of this topic?
I'm still awaiting a response for my previous post.
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Where ? Provide a link please.
Here you are, please notice the date...
Evading the cops until your wanted level is removed is one of the ways to end a roleplay, just as is being killed or being jailed.
As soon as your RHL expires you are no longer part of the roleplay, and there for it is not 'legal' to aid them in any way, including opening fire.
In theory, you should leave the group however that opens the problem that you may be standed in the middle of nowhere. For this the discussion here has been moved to a topic to create workable solution.
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Fortunately for me? Tell me, you were walking through a hood and four gangsters approach you with guns. Are you going to run away from them? please.
Could say the same about the people that start shooting an armed helicopter.
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Could say the same about the people that start shooting an armed helicopter.
I have no idea on what you're talking about. But what is wrong on shooting an helicopter?
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I have no idea on what you're talking about. But what is wrong on shooting an helicopter?
A helicopter with rockets and miniguns on it.
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A helicopter with rockets and miniguns on it.
I never shot one of those, so that argument doesn't go directed towards me.
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Can all of you stop going off-topic and/or create a topic to debate how FBI pushes the boundaries of reason and focus on the primary objective of this topic?
I'm still awaiting a response for my previous post.
Your own people derailed the topic to "let's moan about FBI".
And I'm pretty sure it was made clear the rule is not going to change regardless of what our input on it is. It was made clear on the first damn page. So if you do not like the nature of this discussion why don't request a topic lock.
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Like how when there is a topic, everyone starts forgetting the main post, start arguing about non sence stuff...
I believe Gandalf already made his point about the rule, don't see how denanding his removal will help.
Not all SAPD members have access to the weaponequip feature, and its only ment to be used in heavy situations, that means when there are a group of criminals, all armed with heavy weapons.
In my point of view, a group of people, joining the suspect's car is not RP.. You don't need to kill to make it RP. If you do then evade, because it is what happends IRL, when someone makes a crime, they want to evade.
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that pic is over 9000, love it :D
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that pic is over 9000, love it :D
Worth it.
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It seems administration has run out of locks. Here, take mine:
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It seems administration has run out of locks. Here, take mine:
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Topics should not be locked unless there is no sense in the discussion, or it is just a flame war/ provocation topic. (Or when an answer has been given on for example a 'my PC died' topic)
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Topics should not be locked unless there is no sense in the discussion, or it is just a flame war/ provocation topic. (Or when an answer has been given on for example a 'my PC died' topic)
But wasn't the point made already anyways?
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Oh here we go again.
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10/10
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Here you are, please notice the date...
Evading the cops until your wanted level is removed is one of the ways to end a roleplay, just as is being killed or being jailed.
As soon as your RHL expires you are no longer part of the roleplay, and there for it is not 'legal' to aid them in any way, including opening fire.
In theory, you should leave the group however that opens the problem that you may be standed in the middle of nowhere. For this the discussion here has been moved to a topic to create workable solution.
It is not legal, which makes it illegal, not against the rules of the server, are we clarified about this?
Just because you're not part of the Roleplay with the cops, you're still part of the Roleplay that got you a suspection in the first place.
So therefore it's your choice to whether you aid them further or leave the group since you're no longer linked with the secondary RP which involves the Police.
Yet you're linked to the RP before the suspection, so it's for you to decide if you either keep aiding it or not. (That taking it into the Roleplay side as Gandalf started with)
Taking it to the word, he said it's 'not legal' which as I said, makes it illegal. No objection towards that, but he never mentioned it was against the server rules. Plus, the cops will always be the first to shoot a vehicle where suspects are in, so as a counter measure you will open fire. Which leads to this rule being irrelevant and that's why noone enforced it before.
So who had the bright idea of enforcing it again?
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Bumping for feedback.
I haven't actually read anything more than the OP, but here's my take:
This rule is retarded.
Why:
I am a driver. My suspection time will be <10 minutes, because I'm not going to kill or shoot anyone. But I'm by far the best driver in any group I participate in, so they leave that to me. However, anyone else in my car may have a suspection time of 30 minutes or so, for killing someone (I don't agree with killing, especially what criminal groups today do, but sometimes it is required in RP). That leaves them in a difficult situation; cops chasing us, and me having to leave because of this rule.
What to do:
If there is a suspect in a passenger seat of the vehicle, automatically suspect the driver (after a certain time, 1 minute or such) for aiding. This suspection should be cleared (with delay, 1 minute or such) when the suspect leaves the car or is unsuspected.
I think this is by far the best choice, as it allows the rule to stay unchanged, but clears the worst case scenario for criminals (and admins).
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So who had the bright idea of enforcing it again?
Gandalf.
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Gandalf.
His post was from 2013, and even back then noone would enforce such a rule, so I doubt.
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Now that this is cleared up, I would like to request a manager makes sure this:
It is not legal, which makes it illegal, not against the rules of the server, are we clarified about this?
Taking it to the word, he said it's 'not legal' which as I said, makes it illegal. No objection towards that, but he never mentioned it was against the server rules. Which leads to this rule being irrelevant and that's why noone enforced it before.
goes to the admin boards ?
It seems administration has run out of locks. Here, take mine:
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Why don't you use it on yourself ? Your mouth needs one.
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It is not legal, which makes it illegal, not against the rules of the server, are we clarified about this?
Just because you're not part of the Roleplay with the cops, you're still part of the Roleplay that got you a suspection in the first place.
So therefore it's your choice to whether you aid them further or leave the group since you're no longer linked with the secondary RP which involves the Police.
Yet you're linked to the RP before the suspection, so it's for you to decide if you either keep aiding it or not. (That taking it into the Roleplay side as Gandalf started with)
Taking it to the word, he said it's 'not legal' which as I said, makes it illegal. No objection towards that, but he never mentioned it was against the server rules. Plus, the cops will always be the first to shoot a vehicle where suspects are in, so as a counter measure you will open fire. Which leads to this rule being irrelevant and that's why noone enforced it before.
So who had the bright idea of enforcing it again?
It's down to his incorrect wording, there's nothing to do with being legal and illegal when it comes to this. It is a rule not a law.
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It's down to his incorrect wording, there's nothing to do with being legal and illegal when it comes to this. It is a rule not a law.
Since it's not up to him, can we change it ? :)
It's flawed, and I believe the arguments given in this topic can help in understanding why. ( Not the FBI ones...)
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Why don't you use it on yourself ? Your mouth needs one.
Not for you to decide, shmuck :)
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That is a very heavy accusation considering the fact we don't respond to suspects anymore unless directly asked for assistance or the crime is a federal one. We do not and never did support orange dot hunting policy.
Our roleplays are performed in our HQ. If you were ever detained by the FBI, you would know.
Yet, it is not us moaning and complaining. It has become rather a standart for criminal organisations to moan with creating a public topic of nothing but plain crapping on the ARPD whenever stuff does not go their way. And even in those cases the complaints are very rarely legit. They are not even about fair or unfair. It's about "I'M GONNA HAVE IT MY WAY NO MATTER WHAT." You do not see cops creating moaning topics whenever they get pointlessly deathmatched or have their roleplays ruined by criminal organisations on a daily basis. But just you dare to do something a criminal does not like, there's dozen of public topics shitting on the cops and how they're abusive and so on. So it's really questionable which side is being disgusting.
Yes i was detained a couple of times, and i wouldnt let that happen ever again. Each time i would fight to death if i have to, just to avoid forced rp that lasted for hour or hour and a half, that other people mentioned here already. Of course that there is no one that opens topics because you have huge advantages in all matters, would be shameless to even complain on anything.
Could say the same for quite an amount of criminals, just pull out their guns and shoot.
A few weeks ago I was doing ARA work, just minding my own business, got kidnapped by a group of 4 people for no reason, they knocked me out, starting arguing about how rich I was and killed me. Cops do not always 'enjoy' a role play either. And both parties have to work on their intensity of roleplays, we are all here to have fun, and we all have to work for that to work.
I agreee that some of these exist, but on the other hand criminals are only ones that actually START any kind of roleplay. What prevents feds of doing undercover work for example? Or the other cops doing anything else that actually helps citizens, as that is the main role for them? Does everything they have to do is to harass people with infinite traffic stops or hunt to death people that evaded from ts? If that's what it all came to then im really dissapointed.
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Bumping for feedback.
Yes it is retarded.
But if the owner wants it enforced then we'll enforce it.
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And why doesn't the community have a voice upon this matter?
I mean, I know Gandalf is the owner.
I know he has his point of view.
And above everything I respect him, and he knows it since we used to talk a lot.
But FBI/Criminals/Cops, hell even you Rusty, a Manager, find the rule stupid.
And we're the ones who play on the server. Gandalf is barelly online anymore, and if he is, he is just UC'd doing admin job.
So why can't this rule be revoked? And make the game atleast a little bit more fair for us criminals?
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And why doesn't the community have a voice upon this matter?
I mean, I know Gandalf is the owner.
I know he has his point of view.
And above everything I respect him, and he knows it since we used to talk a lot.
But FBI/Criminals/Cops, hell even you Rusty, a Manager, find the rule stupid.
And we're the ones who play on the server. Gandalf is barelly online anymore, and if he is, he is just UC'd doing admin job.
So why can't this rule be revoked? And make the game atleast a little bit more fair for us criminals?
It's Gandalf's server he can do as he please's we just have to go along with it, if you want to voice it then direct it to him via PM or even a email. Actual message you want to get across will get lost in a forum topic that has page after page of people talking about different thing's rather than what the OP stated he wanted to discuss.
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Yes it is retarded.
But if the owner wants it enforced then we'll enforce it.
I meant feedback on the idea, not the first sentence of the post...
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There is no equality because we are nt playing Cops and Robbers.
This is a roleplay server, which means that in principle we follow the principle of an action movie where the 'good guys' win.
While we are not 'real life' we do expect our players to follow a more or less realistic line of thought in roleplay.
That means that criminal families should do whatever possible to stay away from trouble with the cops, and not allow themselves to get caught out because one member makes a mistake.
Similar the function of escape was created on request of the player who did not want to fight until death at all times. This means that when a player escapes, the idea of them being allowed to be involved again in the shootout is not logical. Someone who escapes is no longer on the run and has the obligation to leave those still in the roleplay. Though exception can be made if they are in the middle of nowhere, it is allowed to drive them to a nearby vehicle.
If players prefer to continue until death we might as well remove the escape from the scripts. After all fight or give up are in that case the only used options, and it would make the script a lot lighter and easier for the scripters.]]
Just to add a warning for the 'other side' that may be lost. Cops should not suspect someone just because they are with or near a suspected criminal. They have no way of knowing if this person is involved unless they shoot ot threaten the lives of the cops.
What if our roleplay didn't start with cops, yet between two criminal groups? What if cops and suspection script is completly irrelevant for our roleplay?
Example: Corleones and Gvardia had a roleplayed shootout, we move back to Queens, both cops and Corleones are attacking us. I lost my suspection, and altough Corleones are shooting on my members, I must vanish from the roleplay ?
Comon Gandalf, I understand the "good guys have to win" approach, but us not being able to help our friends, our brothers in arms and members, is just wrong, its completely wrong, specially cause of the principles such as honor, brotherhood, all for one and one for all, on which most criminal groups are based on. It goes completely against our nature, who we are, and what we are. Its disgusting and humiliating, I don't know how you don't see that.
I think this rule shouldn't apply for roleplays that didn't start with interactions with cops yet they joined later on, cause otherwise not only that we're suppose to watch cops killing our brothers and friends and do nothing about it, yet rival groups as well while you're being forced not to react.
Its silly that a script such as suspection determents your involvement in a roleplay. It should be determent by the fact were you part of the roleplay from the start, did you roleplayed it correctly, and if you joined in, did you roleplayed that as well.
In other words, roleplay should be determent by your involvement in a roleplay.
Or yeah, if this applies on the example I gave and its not excluded(and yeah that example actually happened in game), then it would be better if you simply erase the losing suspecting script, although like many before me pointed out, there's no need for erasing the script, no one's asking for that, yet to enforce something instead that's also being enforced in some other situations and that's:
It should be determent by the fact were you part of the roleplay from the start, did you roleplayed it correctly, and if you joined in, did you roleplayed that as well. Nothing else, and nothing more needed.
In other words, roleplay should be determent by your involvement in a roleplay.