Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on April 29, 2015, 04:15:05 am
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We've been keeping a close eye on things as we draw near to releasing the first major wave of RS5.1 which includes the release of pay and sprays which can be ownable. We've included the price range; which has been modified in order to balance profit with the demand of the business. However profit is not the only thing we're having to focus on right now.
We've noticed an influx of people "camping" pay and sprays and recognize the possibility of a quite legitimate bloodbath (mass DM) possibility in order to obtain these highly valued properties. It is with this in mind that I announce we will be taking full ownership of all PNS and will begin handing them out in auctions, event rewards, and lotto-style competitive events. We thought of a few different release methods that would attempt to even out the distribution possibility but all proved unfair... this is the best possibility we can think of under the circumstances.
We have received reports of people preparing to use TP hacks upon server restarts, people saving positions near the pay and sprays, and a whole host of other shenanigans. It's also with this in mind that we'll be delaying the release of this from a mid-week release to a regularly scheduled week release.
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When will be the release?
What's the problem? Fastest players will but them, same as ammunations.
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When will be the release?
What's the problem? Fastest players will but them, same as ammunations.
Week 1, this upcoming Sunday.
The problem is handling a release without mass DM or cheating. If we can find a way to achieve that then we can consider the possibility of a regular release.
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No one will DM, for sure. Hacks? =punishemet plus removal of ownership if they buy it. simple as that....
Maybe after the release, freeze all players and teleport them somewhere. After, release them and the fastest player will have the opertunity to own them. Not all can buy/offer one, so in this race are only4-5 players... Alright overall they deserve to own one couse they have worked hard, different from the other part.
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Ok.
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Interesting
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well in my opinion since a single player wont be able to afford it (possibly) the best solution is to have an auction for it and the highest group to pay will own it, and of course auction well be led by admin+ staff members, that's the best way to prevent mass DM, Save spawn area (TP hacks) and other types of rule breaks that would give advantage to a member or a group over others
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Make the release when there are no players around the server.
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Will there be protection for PnS ?
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This would be a great asset for Verdant Motors
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Make the release when there are no players around the server.
inb4 no one quits the game :lol:
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This would be a great asset for Verdant Motors
Nice dreams.
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Good
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Good. Things people will do to make it unfair for others, great idea Teddy.
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auction it, best solution. would be interesting to see the results :kilt:
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Make the release when there are no players around the server.
Cool idea. Also the auction idea is kinda cool.
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I'd rather see them in the hands of people who will RolePlay with them... other than just get an easy income... Maybe hand them out like that to groups/peoples?
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I'd rather see them in the hands of people who will RolePlay with them... other than just get an easy income... Maybe hand them out like that to groups/peoples?
Yes. A wise man told me roleplayers gets nothing while non rp truckers and firemen get everything.
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Yes. A wise man told me roleplayers gets nothing while non rp truckers and firemen get everything.
So what do you suggest? "Oh Teddy i am very good RPer please man i deserve the Idlewood one please man" ?
You guys nuts. Also dislike the lotto and the other idea that gives you the PnS. That is an ownable business, you have the cash you go and buy it. Why would someone that doesn't have the cash or maybe some random guy that joined Argo yesterday suddenly gets himselfe ig and says a random number and wins the lotto and gets the pns, and after 2-3days decides not to play anymore and that pns get stuck in his hands.... If that's the case i would like admins to give me the 4D for free. That is so pointless.
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There could be applications ... and after lots of thought, the HQ would decide who is worth one, and which one...
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i agree with the idea of hosting events and making PNS a prize for the winner. competitions such as destruction derby, nascar events, races etc.
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love it
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One week auction, highest bidder gets the place?
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An auction is the fairest and most orderly of the proposed solutions. I'd go with that.
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I think it's only fair that the people who actually have the money for it should be able to get it; these can prove to be better than Ammu-Nations, yet Ammu-Nations weren't awarded through events, instead whoever collected enough money for it first got it. This is the only good solution if they aren't just released as unowned properties like the other.
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That's good.
People racing to buy them on release, camping at them/logging out next to them, taking fucking days off school or work (come on, you know people would do that, especially if it was a weekday) is not a good idea.
Auctions sound like a good idea, or long term event schemes (that still require the player to purchase the thing for full price). Quick events like a DD or something are a bad idea, especially since DDs are frankly won by the best cheater who doesn't get caught nascaring or intentionally lagging (and there are many examples of how other single events could be manipulated). People would literally risk a ban to hack in some way (like a carhp hack) because the reward would actually be worth it.
Keep in mind that financially I'm not even close to being able to afford one, so I have no vested interest. :gand:
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It is with this in mind that I announce we will be taking full ownership of all PNS...
That's grea--
...and will begin handing them out.
Well shit.
I suppose it is a better idea than just releasing them for the community to fight over. Although I have to say, an actually role-played state-auction does sound pretty neat on paper, and it would be great economically speaking (by both removing potentially large sums of money from the game and also giving the rich people something good to spend it at), it also makes these rare assets unobtainable for people that spend most of their money on events for the community or are just poor in general. Handing them out as extraordinary lottery or event rewards would be the best choice in my opinion, as it would give everybody in the community a fair chance. Not everything should be about who has the largest pixel-bucks stockpile.
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That's grea--Well shit.
I suppose it is a better idea than just releasing them for the community to fight over. Although I have to say, an actually role-played state-auction does sound pretty neat on paper, and it would be great economically speaking (by both removing potentially large sums of money from the game and also giving the rich people something good to spend it at), it also makes these rare assets unobtainable for people that spend most of their money on events for the community or are just poor in general. Handing them out as extraordinary lottery or event rewards would be the best choice in my opinion, as it would give everybody in the community a fair chance. Not everything should be about who has the largest pixel-bucks stockpile.
I must say you have a fair point to be honest. I'm curious what Teddy will decide as his approach to this release.
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For my opinion: Some of PNS's should be given to roleplay factions such as "Verdant Motors" "AncelottiGarage" or new factions/organizations which would like to roleplay and dedicate their time in those assets. How to give to those companies? Let's do some roleplay campaigns. HQ can vote who will deserve. We can put one limit of inactivity for those factions so to give the chance to other concurrents in case the winning company do not show interest on their PNS. Yes will take time but will worth it.
As we see around, the money to purchase those properties isn't a problem. And in case that we will do "race" i know users/community members who have the possibility to buy all the PNS's of San Andreas at once, Yes it's possible. So for the first time lets do this kind of challenge between groups or individuals which are interested to.
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As we see around, the money to purchase those properties isn't a problem. And in case that we will do "race" i know users/community members who have the possibility to buy all the PNS's of San Andreas at once, Yes it's possible.
You know their value? And if you can please share those "users" who have that possibility?
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For my opinion: Some of PNS's should be given to roleplay factions such as "Verdant Motors" "AncelottiGarage" or new factions/organizations which would like to roleplay and dedicate their time in those assets. How to give to those companies? Let's do some roleplay campaigns. HQ can vote who will deserve. We can put one limit of inactivity for those factions so to give the chance to other concurrents in case the winning company do not show interest on their PNS. Yes will take time but will worth it.
Those are not even roleplay factions, they're just businesses that factions have opened. And the only thing that this will influence is for everyone to open a similar business just so that they can get their hands on a PnS.
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Those are not even roleplay factions, they're just businesses that factions have opened. And the only thing that this will influence is for everyone to open a similar business just so that they can get their hands on a PnS.
AFAIK (from my own experience) the "businesses" are been opened from groups to Roleplay or to open way to roleplay. If those business are inactive or active isn't our problem. Everyone can open one similar business(not the same format) to have the chance to gain any of those properties: depends on their dedication if they can hold or not. However it's just my idea, this is what i call "race".
You know their value? And if you can please share those "users" who have that possibility?
Savastano Family.
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Savastano Family.
:app: :app:
I can arrange you peace if you want.
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:app: :app:
I can arrange you peace if you want.
Peace? :) Well lets be serious, there are about 6 main pns's: 3 LS 2 SF 1LV. Okay idle one should be the most expensive one with value approximately 1.2m the SM one around 900k and temple one around 900k. SF Doherty one around 700k and Paradiso one around 700k. LV one should be around 700k as well. So lets go a head those 6 would go approx: 6m. So you wonder if there are no peoples with 6m in pocket?
PS: The speculation for the prices of the PNS's is just my idea.
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So you wonder if there are no peoples with 6m in pocket?
Join SAPD then FBI.
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So you wonder if there are no peoples with 6m in pocket?
There are.
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I think it's only fair that the people who actually have the money for it should be able to get it; these can prove to be better than Ammu-Nations, yet Ammu-Nations weren't awarded through events, instead whoever collected enough money for it first got it. This is the only good solution if they aren't just released as unowned properties like the other.
Players will still have to pick up the property value, they won't be handed out for free.
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Auction or a race with "countodown", that's the best solution.
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An auction is the easiest way to see who wants it the most.
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Just setup a auction on these Pay N Spray, may the best offer win =)
This will give all people a chance to give their bid =)
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An auction is the easiest way to see who wants it the most.
More like who can shell out the most money.
I like the idea of HQ deciding who gets it. Or perhaps a voting within administration or even a public voting.
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I like the idea of HQ deciding who gets it. Or perhaps a voting within administration.
That is just stupid. Why would they decide?
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Because like every property ... The one who uses it to RolePlay deserves it the most, not the one who did more trucking. Every bussiness should be like that, but it's to late to change that. We still can be right with this one though.
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Because like every property ... The one who uses it to RolePlay deserves it the most
And who decides that?
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Your forum posts say that roleplay should be server's main activity, but your scripts say "truck till you drop".
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Well who decides that RolePlay is the most important thing in the server? I guess it's the name itself. Argonath RPG.
Who decides who will RP with the property? Well that's a hard question, guess we can find a way to solve it though.
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That is not hard question, it's just a question without an answer
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That is just stupid. Why would they decide?
Because the admin team has knowledge of who roleplays what? It's only logical for an admin team to know the players of their server.
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I like the idea of HQ deciding who gets it. Or perhaps a voting within administration or even a public voting.
Terrible idea.
An auction is the easiest way to see who wants it the most.
This. These will be live auctions (done in-game and in real time). Any interference, cheating, or bullshit will result in immediate punishment and disqualification.
You will need to have enough money to purchase the property and cover the bid. All money from the bids will be donated back to the state as state funds will have an upcoming purpose. If you do not have the money immediately available, your bid is forfeit and the auction will resume.
Nobody is DQ'd from partaking as long as you have the funds; this includes myself ;) and others in HQ.
This is of course all subject to change at the last minute depending on how the situation develops.
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I like the idea of HQ deciding who gets it. Or perhaps a voting within administration or even a public voting.
admins belong to certain groups too, wont be ethical and will compromise democracy
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Terrible idea.
This. These will be live auctions (done in-game and in real time). Any interference, cheating, or bullshit will result in immediate punishment and disqualification.
You will need to have enough money to purchase the property and cover the bid. All money from the bids will be donated back to the state as state funds will have an upcoming purpose. If you do not have the money immediately available, your bid is forfeit and the auction will resume.
Nobody is DQ'd from partaking as long as you have the funds; this includes myself ;) and others in HQ.
This is of course all subject to change at the last minute depending on how the situation develops.
the best solution we can possibly have for it, in game Auction under admins+ supervising is exactly the best way to to sell it
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gg, try again in rs6
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It's a good thing Gimli left, cos the truck script was terrible, like something he just throw together in a hour. He fucked up the economy of Rs5.
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It's a good thing Gimli left, cos the truck script was terrible, like something he just throw together in a hour. He fucked up the economy of Rs5.
Gimli literally held up the economy of the SAMP server since 2008.
Sorry that you wanted to keep grinding fire missions. Actually they're still there, so go ahead.
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It's a good thing Gimli left, cos the truck script was terrible, like something he just throw together in a hour. He fucked up the economy of Rs5.
AFAIK, Verdant Motors wouldn't exist without the trucking script. ;)
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AFAIK, Verdant Motors wouldn't exist without the trucking script. ;)
You mean I wouldn't be able to earn 170k from a rough 2.5 mill investment? Geez, what would I do if I didn't start it, I mean I'd have to slap my name on a popular business and call it quits as far as player interaction goes, just watch the money make itself. Yes, I'd be so much worse off.
Not to mention this business kind of died since GTA:V got released for PC.
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This is just a suggestion after reading through all the reply's and comment's. Maybe Teddy or someone could create a topic and make players which are interested in buying a PNS, write a application of why they deserve the PnS more then others. Something like the moderator's application. This could go up when the auction starts.
Personally I do not know really know how an auction is being held. If the admin team is thinking of a price, then there will be a huge mis-communication and a war/riot may even start, players may might develop a mindset of the admin's liking the player more then himself/herself. Players could just bid it at a higher price and in the end only the richest of the riches will be able to get their hands on the PnS. So I had come up with this idea of " Application on PnS, Why should the PnS be your's and not others."
Note: I'm not trying to do anything funny like ordering the admin team to use my Idea instead of theirs, but this is a little idea i came up with.
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This is just a suggestion... maybe you could not bold an entire post and use yellow on white. I've not read your post until it's normal.
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This is just a suggestion... maybe you could not bold an entire post and use yellow on white. I've not read your post until it's normal.
My hero :gand: