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Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Kewlizm on June 01, 2015, 09:54:51 am
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Hi,
As many of you know, Windows 7 users have an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. For me the icon to upgrade it popped up today morning. However, I feel like I have to take precautions before deciding whether to upgrade or not.
First of all, I understood that Win7 and Win10 have the same system requirements, so Win10 will not be laggy or stutter on older computers which ran Win7 smoothly. Now what I am worried about is the software support. Can Win10 run GTA SA or other software and games such as Steam, Fifa 13, etc.?
Thanks in advance. :)
EDIT: Any other important info about upgrading is appreciated.
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I'm glad you are writing this... Could be usefull for me too... Same toights, but so far, I'm not planning to move to w10...
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Why would you become a test dog? Give them some time first for the first problems to be acknowledged and hopefully fixed...
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I don't see myself upgrading in the near future. Win8+ is ugly af.
#TeamWindows7Ultimate64bit
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Hi,
As many of you know, Windows 7 users have an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. For me the icon to upgrade it popped up today morning. However, I feel like I have to take precautions before deciding whether to upgrade or not.
First of all, I understood that Win7 and Win10 have the same system requirements, so Win10 will not be laggy or stutter on older computers which ran Win7 smoothly. Now what I am worried about is the software support. Can Win10 run GTA SA or other software and games such as Steam, Fifa 13, etc.?
Thanks in advance. :)
EDIT: Any other important info about upgrading is appreciated.
During the early build days (the very first, that is the 92xx versions), I tried it out and it ran GTA SA with intel family express (or something) graphics chipset just fine. Same for Steam, I didn't try out any other games then but it didn't support CS 1.6 (cause that chipset doesn't even support Win 8 afaik.)
The notification you got today is to 'reserve' your Windows 10 copy. You won't get the download immediately, you will still have to wait two months to get a RTM build (there's no final build since they will constantly provide updates and upgrades unlike previous windows versions)
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Bear in mind the update is available for both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users.
The update is also not immediate, it is simply allowing you to "reserve" a download of Windows 10 when it releases which is due somewhere in the later part of summer.
In essence games you are playing on Windows 7/8.1 should run on Windows 10 as it will maintain the characteristics required for games to run, DirectX and so on.
Some will say wait for the first service pack to be released before updating so any exploits and problems are patched, personally I don't feel waiting is necessary.
Along with that, who knows if they may only be giving a free upgrade for a small period of time or not.
You can always reinstall Windows 7 if you and Windows 10 do not get along after really trying it out for a couple of months.
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Along with that, who knows if they may only be giving a free upgrade for a small period of time or not.
Correct. The offer is until the 29th of July 2016 (1 year after the release).
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Got the upgrade offer on my main laptop as well this morning. Would love to start using Win10 as it looks very promising.
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29th July is the planned release date for Windows 10, so probably around that date the download should become available. Right now, you can just reserve a spot.
As for precautions, backing up your data to an external drive (or any other non-Windows drive) is a smart move and won't hurt.
System requirements for running the Windows 10 at all:
Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit
Hard disk space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS 20 GB for 64-bit OS
Graphics card: DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver
Display: 1024x600
And
*Cortana is only currently available on Windows 10 for the United States, United Kingdom, China, France, Italy, Germany, and Spain.
*Speech recognition will vary by device microphone. For better speech experience you will need a
*High fidelity microphone array
*Hardware driver with Microphone array geometry exposed
*Windows Hello requires specialized illuminated infrared camera for facial recognition or iris detection or a finger print reader which supports the Window Biometric Framework.
*Continuum is available on all Windows 10 editions by manually turning “tablet mode†on and off through the Action Center. Tablets and 2-in-1’s with GPIO indicators or those that have a laptop and slate indicator will be able to be configured to enter “tablet mode†automatically.
*Music and Video stream through the Xbox Music or Xbox video available in certain regions. For the most up to date list of regions, please go to Xbox on Windows website.
*Two factor authentication requires the use of a PIN, Biometric (finger print reader or illuminated infrared camera), or a phone with WiFi or Bluetooth capabilities.
*Device Guard requires:
*UEFI Secure Boot with 3rd party UEFI CA removed from the UEFI database
*TPM 2.0
*Virtualization Support configured on by default in the System Firmware (BIOS)
*Virtualization extensions (e.g. Intel VT-x, AMD RVI)
*Second Level Address Translation (e.g. Intel EPT, AMD RVI)
*IOMMU (e.g. Intel VT-d, AMD-Vi)
*UEFI BIOS configured to prevent unauthorized user from disabling Device Guard hardware security features
*Kernel mode drivers need to be Microsoft signed and compatible with hypervisor enforced code integrity
*Only available on Windows 10 Enterprise
*The number of applications that can be snapped will depend upon the minimum resolution for the application.
*To use touch, you need a tablet or a monitor that supports multi-touch (more info)
*Microsoft account required for some features
*Internet access (ISP fees might apply)
*Secure boot requires firmware that supports UEFI v2.3.1 Errata B and has the Microsoft Windows Certification Authority in the UEFI signature database
*Some IT administrators may enable Secure Logon (Ctrl + Alt + Del) before bringing you to the log in screen. On tablets without a keyboard, a tablet with the Windows button maybe required as the key combination on a tablet is Windows button + Power button.
*Some games and programs might require a graphics card compatible with DirectX 10 or higher for optimal performance
*BitLocker To Go requires a USB flash drive (Windows 10 Pro only)
*BitLocker requires either Trusted Platform Module (TPM) 1.2, TPM 2.0 or a USB flash drive (Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise only)
*Client Hyper-V requires a 64-bit system with second level address translation (SLAT) capabilities and additional 2 GB of RAM (Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise only)
*Miracast requires a display adapter which supports Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) 1.3, and a Wi-Fi adapter that supports Wi-Fi Direct
*Wi-Fi Direct Printing requires a Wi-Fi adapter that supports Wi-Fi Direct and a device that supports Wi-Fi Direct Printing
*To install a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit PC, your processor needs to support CMPXCHG16b, PrefetchW, and LAHF/SAHF
*InstantGo works only with computers designed for Connected Standby
*Device encryption requires a PC with InstantGo and TPM 2.0.
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Another one that I can't run,great..
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Another one that I can't run,great..
I do wonder what kind of a potato do you run then. These specs are very low-end.
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I do wonder what kind of a potato do you run then. These specs are very low-end.
:lol:
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seems like i've gotten it aswell, and i that just got used to 8.1
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removed:(
Dual booting W7 - W8.1 is still good, noty W10 :)
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Who said anything about a testing edition? It is a full version of Windows 10, not a preview or trial.
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@Janar , I'm running on 256mb of RAM,128mb Nvidia FX 520m graphic card and 1,4 GHz processor.Damn,even potatoes these day run on higher specs..
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The ignorance of people posting here is killing me.
You will not receive a test version of Windows 10.. You will receive a COMPLETE, RETAIL version of Windows 10 for FREE once it is realeased.
And only a complete retard would argue that Windows 7 is better than either 8.1 or 10
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The ignorance of people posting here is killing me.
You will not receive a test version of Windows 10.. You will receive a COMPLETE, RETAIL version of Windows 10 for FREE once it is realeased.
And only a complete retard would argue that Windows 7 is better than either 8.1 or 10
That's what happens when people don't read properly, welcome to the internet.
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That's what happens when people don't read properly, welcome to the internet.
Exactly, not to mention that the test version of Windows 10 which was available for everyone expired by April already..
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The Windows version to be released on July 29 will not be the complete version (as there's no such thing with Windows 10). They will give you a bugs-free version with all the features they will have completed by july 29. It also wont have loggers or trackers like it does in the insider version.
They will gradually introduce some other promised features of the OS after July 29 after testing with the insiders (which will continue after the consumer release of the OS).
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No idea where you people are reading these strange stories, too bad they all seem false;
*Windows Offer Details
Yes, free! This upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3GB download required; standard data rates apply. To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability. Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device.
Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features?ocid=win10_auxapp_LearnMore_win10
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The Windows version to be released on July 29 will not be the complete version (as there's no such thing with Windows 10). They will give you a bugs-free version with all the features they will have completed by july 29. It also wont have loggers or trackers like it does in the insider version.
They will gradually introduce some other promised features of the OS after July 29 after testing with the insiders (which will continue after the consumer release of the OS).
Source?
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Source?
http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-skype-and-messanging-app-not-ready-launch
"Is this bad news? Considering Microsoft's "Windows as a service" approach, all this means is what we already know: new features will continuously be added to Windows 10 for PC and Mobile on a regular basis. So although we may be missing some features at launch, these and other additions will continuously be rolled out through frequent updates"
"With summer rapidly approaching (and that rumored end-of-July launch for PC), Microsoft appears to now be in a 'shut up and ship' mode, killing bugs, adding on polish. We always knew that point would have to happen, and it looks like we are finally there."
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Exactly, not to mention that the test version of Windows 10 which was available for everyone expired by April already..
Umm, no? Windows Insider program is still releasing ISO's to the public...
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso
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RTM version is being finalized by Microsoft. Windows Insiders will receive the version first and apparently W10 files will preload to Windows insiders' PCs.
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-reportedly-finalizing-windows-10-later-week
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RTM version is being finalized by Microsoft. Windows Insiders will receive the version first and apparently W10 files will preload to Windows insiders' PCs.
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-reportedly-finalizing-windows-10-later-week
Not just insiders, all W8 users have the option to get it preloaded.
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Yes but insiders will have Windows 10 on their PCs first.
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Yes but insiders will have Windows 10 on their PCs first.
That is not true. Windows Insiders will be receiving it upon release just like anyone else. The difference is that Windows Insiders will be receiving a "insider program" version rather than the official release, (although it is essentially the same thing, but just gets new builds/updates sooner). They still have to wait until July 29th to receive a "released" version. (OEM partners getting it a week early is just so they can begin pre-loading it on systems for sale on July 29th and beyond. Windows 7/8.x users will be offered a digital download the same time it goes for sale).
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It will only be the Windows Insiders who will get it on July 29th, that's what I meant. Others will get it a few days later. Gradual rollout.
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It will only be the Windows Insiders who will get it on July 29th, that's what I meant. Others will get it a few days later. Gradual rollout.
Wrong. Everyone gets it on July 29th.
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Wrong. Everyone gets it on July 29th.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/2/8883325/windows-10-will-roll-out-in-waves
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http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/2/8883325/windows-10-will-roll-out-in-waves
Biggest nonsense I've seen in a while. Win10 will be released in one big goal, including Insiders (I, like many others, am one...) as it makes the transition easier. Microsoft is redeeming the work off the Insiders by pulling their advice into Windows 10...
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Biggest nonsense I've seen in a while. Win10 will be released in one big goal, including Insiders (I, like many others, am one...) as it makes the transition easier. Microsoft is redeeming the work off the Insiders by pulling their advice into Windows 10...
Can you imagine the load on the servers if they decide to release to everyone at once? Hundreds of millions of devices, all at the same time.
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It's Microsoft ffs, not some small time company. I am sure they can handle the "load".
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Can you imagine the load on the servers if they decide to release to everyone at once? Hundreds of millions of devices, all at the same time.
That is why they have several servers to balance the load. They released Windows 8 the exact same way.
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Wrong. Everyone gets it on July 29th.
Too good to ignore, turns out you were wrong.
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I went onto Reddit and they found away how to manually do it yourself, I did it, overall I like Windows 10 as I always like to try new things so its different.
But a big thing what I find pretty bad is the fact you cannot tab out of games like SAMP, it just don't allow you to, it will work perfect for the first 30 seconds then when you tab you screen goes black, ofcourse like me if you have 2 or more displays if you put all your stuff on the other ones and use one for gaming when you tab you can still use the other two just the middle will be black.
Not that bad of a bug but still an annoying bug for anyone who tabs out 99 percent of the time.
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Too good to ignore, turns out you were wrong.
:lol:
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Currently putting my Windows 8 boot back on USB im going back! :lol:
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games such as Steam
*look of disapproval*
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Currently putting my Windows 8 boot back on USB im going back! :lol:
Pusseh... you couldn't handle it for even one day... u suck sir :D
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Pusseh... you couldn't handle it for even one day... u suck sir :D
Enjoy not being able to tab, a buggy as interface, and GTA SA working when it wants to. Yes its a clean install. :lol:
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Enjoy not being able to tab, a buggy as interface, and GTA SA working when it wants to. Yes its a clean install. :lol:
I can tab out, i never had a problem with GTA SA so far and no problems at all. You're just nub :D
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I can tab out, i never had a problem with GTA SA so far and no problems at all. You're just nub :D
Ehh - I also face this issue on ALL my computers that were installed with Windows 10.
2 of them were fresh installs, 6 of them were upgrades...hmm..
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Ehh - I also face this issue on ALL my computers that were installed with Windows 10.
2 of them were fresh installs, 6 of them were upgrades...hmm..
If I may ask, how many computers you got? :lol:
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Enjoy not being able to tab, a buggy as interface, and GTA SA working when it wants to. Yes its a clean install. :lol:
If you can't alt+tab out of a game you really fail to computer.
I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 Pro since installing. Games run perfectly and everything works without fault.
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@Luke you just need to ESC before you alt+tab and it will work fine when you come back.
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If you can't alt+tab out of a game you really fail to computer.
Yea, it's his fault that he can't alt-tab out of an application. Nothing to do with the OS, nosiree.
I'm gonna hold out as long as I can probably. Start10 isn't out of beta yet (although apparently it works quite well anyway) so I'd be relying on beta software to fix that abortion of a start menu, and there are no DirectX12 games yet so actually there's no real benefits to upgrading. Also, I have 8.1 Home so before I upgrade I have to obtain 8.1 Pro because I am not absolutely having windows 10 home edition.
Might also be good to wait and see if there are more third party applications being developed that will block private data transmissions to MS & co.
tl;dr can I just get windows 7 that boots faster and with directx12 thanks
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Might also be good to wait and see if there are more third party applications being developed that will block private data transmissions to MS & co.
The paranoia is real I guess. What do you have to hide? I really don't get why people are so uptight about some data being accessible by the manufacturer of the operating system you are using.
If you really want to have a closed OS where no one can see what you do, go look for some linux edition that will accommodate you.
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The paranoia is real I guess. What do you have to hide? I really don't get why people are so uptight about some data being accessible by the manufacturer of the operating system you are using.
It's really more of a nice-to-have feature than a requirement for me, after all I use FB chat for all online communication, have a searchable web footprint the size of a whale, and no doubt an excellent file at google detailing my entire browsing history since I use it as a launch page. So I'd be pretty hypocritical if I singled out Microsoft I guess.
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I am downloading the W10 update ATM, so can anyone tell me how much time would it take to be done?
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Took me 8 hours even though I have a pretty good download speed rate just for the ISO format, then I realized I had no DVD-Drive to burn it too. Downloaded it straight onto a USB stick and it took barely any time at all. I'd go for downloading it to a USB stick if you have one.
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The paranoia is real I guess. What do you have to hide? I really don't get why people are so uptight about some data being accessible by the manufacturer of the operating system you are using.
If you really want to have a closed OS where no one can see what you do, go look for some linux edition that will accommodate you.
The most popular linux distro i.e Ubuntu spies on you much more than MS ever could. Every search you do in the unity dash (Their replacement for searching in the start menu) is not only sent to Canonical (The company incharge of ubuntu) but is also shared with amazon, along with your IP.
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Irrelevant to the topic but okay then.
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Took me 8 hours
WHAT?
Lol took me less than 15 to download as iso...i burned it via Daemon Tools and put it into a USB stick(because the USB option kept saying "Something Happened")
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Strange.... you all mentioning iso files and usb sticks and i just left the lap top on and when i came home it had windows 10 installed and running and no1 touched it. Am I doing something wrong lol because i didnt had any iso file it just downloaded and installed as windows update with a simple pc restart...
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Strange.... you all mentioning iso files and usb sticks and i just left the lap top on and when i came home it had windows 10 installed and running and no1 touched it. Am I doing something wrong lol because i didnt had any iso file it just downloaded and installed as windows update with a simple pc restart...
I just put Windows 10 on my Windows to Go flash drive and now I just boot windows 10 up from my flash drive. I can use all the resources of the computer.
Best. Idea. Ever. Do it guys.
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Five things that you should consider when upgrading to Windows 10:
- Your upgrade is not permanent. Atleast not if you want to increase your ram or get a new harddisk in the future. When you're updated to Windows 10, windows changes your key to something else, which cannot be used to reinstall W10 (Or atleast that has been my experience with two computers). If you want to format your PC, you can format it and once you've updated to 10 on that PC once, it won't ask you for any keys. This is because MSFT sends your hardware hash (A unique identifier for your system's configurations) to it's servers and uses that to authorize your reformat. However, if you change your hardware (And microsoft has refused to release any information on exactly which components being changed comprises a change to the hash) you won't be able to activate your new installation. If that's before september 2016, you can simply reinstall W7/8.1 and then upgrade again. If it's after September 2016, you need to buy a W10 license.
- Microsoft can remove software from your computer. According to MSFT's EULA, they have the ability and right to go through your computer and remove 'pirated' software. Before you say that's not all that bad, remember that facebook didn't get rich selling only ads. MSFT can very easily find clients that would pay big bucks to purchase data about who is using their products and their competitors products. Further, their spying goes so far as to actually identify if the copy is genuine or not, meaning they are executing custom code to identify information about the software on your computer. That's worse than facebook could ever get.
- Cortana is a keylogger. Well, not exactly, but it's close. Microsoft sends your keystrokes to it's database ("Anonymously"). Even if MSFT themselves don't use this data, there is always the risk that a third party might hack into MSFT's servers and steal valuable information (It is not clear whether software like keyscrambler can actually stop this, as MSFT can easily hinder them if they want).
- Updates are no longer voluntary. This means that you don't get to decide when MSFT makes major changes to your systems.
- Of the 12+ systems i have upgraded to W10 so far, 2 broke down. Both of them had AMD APU processors (I did upgrade other systems with APU aswell and successfully, however). They got stuck at the getting ready part and upon rebooting again got stuck on restoring W8.1. Both the clients asked me to just do a clean install ASAP so i didn't do any research on how easy/difficult it is to fix it.
That said, currently i have installed W10 on my own pc (Clean install). I'm still not sure if i'm keeping it though.
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Five things that you should consider when upgrading to Windows 10:
- Your upgrade is not permanent. Atleast not if you want to increase your ram or get a new harddisk in the future. When you're updated to Windows 10, windows changes your key to something else, which cannot be used to reinstall W10 (Or atleast that has been my experience with two computers). If you want to format your PC, you can format it and once you've updated to 10 on that PC once, it won't ask you for any keys. This is because MSFT sends your hardware hash (A unique identifier for your system's configurations) to it's servers and uses that to authorize your reformat. However, if you change your hardware (And microsoft has refused to release any information on exactly which components being changed comprises a change to the hash) you won't be able to activate your new installation. If that's before september 2016, you can simply reinstall W7/8.1 and then upgrade again. If it's after September 2016, you need to buy a W10 license.
- Microsoft can remove software from your computer. According to MSFT's EULA, they have the ability and right to go through your computer and remove 'pirated' software. Before you say that's not all that bad, remember that facebook didn't get rich selling only ads. MSFT can very easily find clients that would pay big bucks to purchase data about who is using their products and their competitors products. Further, their spying goes so far as to actually identify if the copy is genuine or not, meaning they are executing custom code to identify information about the software on your computer. That's worse than facebook could ever get.
- Cortana is a keylogger. Well, not exactly, but it's close. Microsoft sends your keystrokes to it's database ("Anonymously"). Even if MSFT themselves don't use this data, there is always the risk that a third party might hack into MSFT's servers and steal valuable information (It is not clear whether software like keyscrambler can actually stop this, as MSFT can easily hinder them if they want).
- Updates are no longer voluntary. This means that you don't get to decide when MSFT makes major changes to your systems.
- Of the 12+ systems i have upgraded to W10 so far, 2 broke down. Both of them had AMD APU processors (I did upgrade other systems with APU aswell and successfully, however). They got stuck at the getting ready part and upon rebooting again got stuck on restoring W8.1. Both the clients asked me to just do a clean install ASAP so i didn't do any research on how easy/difficult it is to fix it.
That said, currently i have installed W10 on my own pc (Clean install). I'm still not sure if i'm keeping it though.
Where did you hear about this? Can you post the source please.
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- Microsoft can remove software from your computer. According to MSFT's EULA, they have the ability and right to go through your computer and remove 'pirated' software. Before you say that's not all that bad, remember that facebook didn't get rich selling only ads. MSFT can very easily find clients that would pay big bucks to purchase data about who is using their products and their competitors products. Further, their spying goes so far as to actually identify if the copy is genuine or not, meaning they are executing custom code to identify information about the software on your computer. That's worse than facebook could ever get.
Not true (anymore).
Update: Microsoft's Services EULA is different from the one governing Windows (Microsoft Software License Terms), which means that the amendments Microsoft added recently were to protect against counterfeiting of Xbox Live and Windows Store content, and not monitoring (or disabling) illicit content on Windows 10.
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-can-automatically-disable-pirated-games-unauthorized-hardware-your-windows-10-pc
So you can infact use counterfeit software (as long as it's not sideloaded or pirated Windows store apps).
- Cortana is a keylogger. Well, not exactly, but it's close. Microsoft sends your keystrokes to it's database ("Anonymously"). Even if MSFT themselves don't use this data, there is always the risk that a third party might hack into MSFT's servers and steal valuable information (It is not clear whether software like keyscrambler can actually stop this, as MSFT can easily hinder them if they want).
Incorrect. As someone who has been using Cortana for very long (since its introduction to Windows Phone) (and been a close follower of Windows and its services (both on PC and phone), I can confirm that this is not true.
No keystrokes are sent to Microsoft when Cortana is used. Cortana stores your information in your own account's notebook. The information Cortana gains about you is not used for someone else so there's no point of sending it to Microsoft. The information can be easily deleted later whenever you want (from your Cortana settings on phone or PC). It's all done to give you a better experience with Cortana and you can make Cortana forget everything about you without any problem.
EVERYTHING Cortana learns about you can be deleted. EVERYTHING.
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EVERYTHING Cortana learns about you can be deleted. EVERYTHING.
Or so they want to make you believe :rolleyes:
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Or so they want to make you believe :rolleyes:
That's what Microsoft has always said. If they actually collected info behind the scenes I am sure someone will have already found that and MS would be in trouble. :)