Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Kostas on June 27, 2015, 07:46:17 pm
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Something that should have been done by the staff team. Yes, this thing is back! I am possibly from the few that didn't know, I didn't get to lose anything though. Still, be warned people. Not entering your property for three months will cause it to be sold.
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Should read the updated in-game rules regards to properties which was posted over a week ago. (which will be expanded upon)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=100219.msg1605344#msg1605344
Selling of inactive properties has been something of common knowledge for years now, those that have played since RS3/RS4 should already know this.
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I just had a long talk, while being angry about this... I am just gonna dump this, and hopefully do not comment again. Many members of the Administration, including Managers, said many times in the fact that no properties will be sold due to inactivity, and many moaned about it, because it is wrong. Inactivity should cause properties to be sold. To conclude what I was told. I was told that those were not official statements, I find that wrong, but let's ignore that. This is a message to help every other guy who didn't notice, because I wasn't the only one. This "program" is back inaction, and I was told that it has been like that for atleast a month already... Will the power given to me by myself, I declare this an official Announcement, watch your properties folks.
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Some HQ members actually said that properties won't be sold for inactivity, as we have plenty of properties on the server. However it was changed back without any notice (apart from the rules update).
EDIT: The automated system of property removal due to the extended inactivity is suspended so it is no longer needed to return within three months to avoid the removal of your goods.
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May I make myself clear on the following:
We do not sell houses on request.
It does not matter how long the person was inactive, or how much you like/want his house.
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Some HQ members actually said that properties won't be sold for inactivity, as we have plenty of properties on the server. However it was changed back without any notice (apart from the rules update).
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No clue why he said the three month inactivity for properties rule was suspended, back then we couldn't even sell them since the command was disabled. Now that we have it back we're cleaning out inactive properties so those that want them can have them and put them to good use.
I just had a long talk, while being angry about this... I am just gonna dump this, and hopefully do not comment again. Many members of the Administration, including Managers, said many times in the fact that no properties will be sold due to inactivity, and many moaned about it, because it is wrong. Inactivity should cause properties to be sold. To conclude what I was told. I was told that those were not official statements, I find that wrong, but let's ignore that. This is a message to help every other guy who didn't notice, because I wasn't the only one. This "program" is back inaction, and I was told that it has been like that for atleast a month already... Will the power given to me by myself, I declare this an official Announcement, watch your properties folks.
This is why you should enter your property on a regular basis to avoid it being sold. Sure we could have let everyone know and we kind of did when the rules were updated to include the property part as that is when I started selling off inactive properties en masse. The property part in the rules will be updated so it's more clear.
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I sense contradiction between Rusty and Eymas posts.
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I sense contradiction between Rusty and Eymas posts.
Well he touched on selling on request and I was talking about something else. Unless am overlooking something here.
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Well he touched on selling on request and I was talking about something else. Unless am overlooking something here.
I couldn't help but notice that you sold Marques HQ and Mario Soprano bought it right after. I don't know anything about this so don't mind me, just making assumptions.
Eymas said that you do not sell houses on request, that means, even if the owner hasn't entered it, you guys won't sell just because we ask you to do so.
The point where I am trying to get is, was Mario camping that spot, because it isn't much of a common place to go, or did you sell it on request?
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50€ For a property.
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Seems that i've lost one of my mansions due to this rule.But I am pretty sure that I entered the house on 20th of May when I posted the sale topic of the property.Today is 28th June and i've lost it...
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111946.0
50€ For a property.
+999999
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I couldn't help but notice that you sold Marques HQ and Mario Soprano bought it right after. I don't know anything about this so don't mind me, just making assumptions.
Eymas said that you do not sell houses on request, that means, even if the owner hasn't entered it, you guys won't sell just because we ask you to do so.
The point where I am trying to get is, was Mario camping that spot, because it isn't much of a common place to go, or did you sell it on request?
Well no one was around when it was sold as I had just left Gvardia and flew around un-owning a few San Fierro properties. People were tracking my area as they knew I was out hunting down inactive properties that's probably why he was so quick to snap it up.
Seems that i've lost one of my mansions due to this rule.But I am pretty sure that I entered the house on 20th of May when I posted the sale topic of the property.Today is 28th June and i've lost it...
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111946.0
+999999
It was inactive loads of others lost to due to not entering them.
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Well, the point is ... that it was made clear by many people that no properties will be sold due to inactivity and I was told that properties began being sold due to that atleast a month ago... People should not lose anything because they weren't properly told about it, anyway. Getting off topic here. I'd like this topic to keep on getting somewhat bumped though, so that people get to see it.
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Told or not (which you were in the rules update), can't have inactive properties sit with players who barely even play or use them. If that were the case nearly all the good properties wouldn't have their current owners right about now instead they'd be sitting with players who haven't joined for months or even a year or more. Like I had said before the majority only got sold few days ago month ago we were barely touching any.
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can't have inactive properties sit with players who barely even play or use them.
Properties have no use at the moment, don't you think you should've started unowning inactive ones after the new scripts ?
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They have a roleplay use. Which is, afterall, the most important as we are on a roleplay server.
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Why do you have to enter the property?
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Well... so that you are using it? Even if it will after all in many cases, simply be you entering the property every now and then...
I have to admit that this system is more proper than in rs4... Where you simply had to be active in game.
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Why own a property if you don't use it/enter it?
The property system was created with an automated system to sell inactive properties which didn't work as it should.
Only recently has an override command for HQ members to manually sell properties and they do so under their own discretion.
Highly sought after properties that are inactive will be sold without a second guess, al other inactive properties will also be sold as the HQ member feels necessary.
If you purchase a property and do not enter it, we won't be able to see if the property is active or inactive as it won't have any entry date logged therefore you may lose your property.
It's not that difficult to enter the property once a week or so when you're in-game more than once a week.
Well... so that you are using it? Even if it will after all in many cases, simply be you entering the property every now and then...
I have to admit that this system is more proper than in rs4... Where you simply had to be active in game.
You actually had to enter the properties in RS4 too.
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They have a roleplay use. Which is, afterall, the most important as we are on a roleplay server.
Sure but in the end the property scripts dont work and you cant roleplay up cash to buy them.
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You actually had to enter the properties in RS4 too.
Didn't know... never had such a problem anyway.
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They have a roleplay use. Which is, afterall, the most important as we are on a roleplay server.
I do use it to RP in it now and then, but it's quite rare...
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They have a roleplay use. Which is, afterall, the most important as we are on a roleplay server.
There is no more point to sell automaticly a house after 3 months.
Properties were automaticly sold on RS4.1 because we were limited in number of houses that was possible to be scripted.
In RS5, we can have an unlimited number of houses and there is one for everyone.
SF and LV are full of unowned houses.
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Highly sought after properties that are inactive will be sold without a second guess, al other inactive properties will also be sold as the HQ member feels necessary.
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How about first introducing Business profit script then implying this rule?
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How about first introducing Business profit script then implying this rule?
How is that even logically relevant? Oh its not.
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How about first introducing Business profit script then implying this rule?
First of all we must have proper education or concept for what is needed an property. Yes in RS4 we had store load options but houses or businesses are meant to roleplay inside. Now for my opinion (taking a part headquarters of well-known factions) the "3 months" rule must be reduced. So imagine if we have business profit script: the players which have some certain businesses would join in game once a month just to keep the validation of their property, which is wrong. I remember in RS4 when ammunations were running out of stock for weeks or months because owners never paid attention. Better would be the new emancipation of players with this ideology that "the properties are for Roleplay not to print money" and the business scrip will be implanted more easily, and you must know that is a matter of priorities.
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How is that even logically relevant? Oh its not.
It is, since HQ decided to sell inactive owner's properties and mostly of them are Businesses, So if there would be profit script it would make them enter the property automatically.
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How would an Ammunation or a Hotel or a 24/7 ... Make you enter it more frequently than you already do ... if it had profit?
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It is, since HQ decided to sell inactive owner's properties and mostly of them are Businesses, So if there would be profit script it would make them enter the property automatically.
The majority of the properties sold were houses not businesses.
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I don't see why should people cry and moan about inactive properties being sold.... The rule was always there wasn't it? You were told to enter constantly to not loose it. Who didn't enter lost it. End of story.
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It is, since HQ decided to sell inactive owner's properties and mostly of them are Businesses, So if there would be profit script it would make them enter the property automatically.
If you need a script to make use of a business and can't grasp the concept of RP, do you belong here?
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Properties have no use at the moment, don't you think you should've started unowning inactive ones after the new scripts ?
They have use, players roleplay in them and some even make a living off selling them onto others. No need to wait for business script that has been missing since the beginning of RS5.
I don't see why should people cry and moan about inactive properties being sold.... The rule was always there wasn't it? You were told to enter constantly to not loose it. Who didn't enter lost it. End of story.
Been around since RS3 maybe even before, those have been around since then have no excuse to say they didn't know of this.
Sure Cyril and Markz said we didn't need to sell them but at that time we never even had a command to sell them off until just over a month ago thanks to Teddy fixing it so we could sell the inactive properties.
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I don't see why should people cry and moan about inactive properties being sold.... The rule was always there wasn't it? You were told to enter constantly to not loose it. Who didn't enter lost it. End of story.
Since I'm playing, this rule was always been there. If they're buying a property, i don't know what the problem they're facing in entering their own property only for once in a week. :/
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players roleplay in them and some even make a living off selling them onto others.
Sorry but not everyone's doing that. Half of the players buy the first property they see and try to sell it with a crazy price the day after , that's not for roleplay purposes for sure.
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Sorry but not everyone's doing that. Half of the players buy the first property they see and try to sell it with a crazy price the day after , that's not for roleplay purposes for sure.
some even make a living off selling them onto others.
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If you need a script to make use of a business and can't grasp the concept of RP, do you belong here?
And from where we are talking about Roleplay here? In a general way I'm stating that business profit script would make people enter their business more, nothing else, Therefore Devin already said that they are going for houses rather than businesses.
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i will not comment this rule, i already got banned because of this :lol:
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Since I'm playing, this rule was always been there. If they're buying a property, i don't know what the problem they're facing in entering their own property only for once in a week. :/
This rule has been there for a LONG time.
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Well let's face it: if you start selling inactive properties you wont get players to go and RP in them, you will just make them press H twice more often. Also if you add house store script and business stock system its obvious that you will get a feedback of using the properties more often ( simple exemple is the Downtown inside track... before the horse racing script almost no one entered that property but now everyone are using it ).
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And from where we are talking about Roleplay here? In a general way I'm stating that business profit script would make people enter their business more, nothing else, Therefore Devin already said that they are going for houses rather than businesses.
If you want to argue, at least do it properly.
I never said "they are going for houses rather than businesses" ever.
I said more houses had been sold recently than businesses. That is all I said, I was not implying some story as you claim.
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If you want to argue, at least do it properly.
I never said "they are going for houses rather than businesses" ever.
I said more houses had been sold recently than businesses. That is all I said, I was not implying some story as you claim.
Could you please state the whole procedure of how HQ members feel that they should sell this property, of course 3 months rule is still here, but we are still unable to recognize this new rule, Do HQ member sell property whenever the feel it should be or there is some time limit? And lol I'm not here for argument.
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Sorry for going off topic, but can this "sold due to inactive" have power on CBs and on Phone numbers? CB's and phone's can be removed when the owner is inactive for 3 months+.
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Sorry for going off topic, but can this "sold due to inactive" have power on CBs and on Phone numbers? CB's and phone's can be removed when the owner is inactive for 3 months+.
Mumin Svensson removed my CB channel(cb 1000) in RS4 due that I was inactive and then after he bought the channel himself and didn't want wanted to give it back to me! So yes, i think that apply on cb / phone too..
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Could you please state the whole procedure of how HQ members feel that they should sell this property, of course 3 months rule is still here, but we are still unable to recognize this new rule, Do HQ member sell property whenever the feel it should be or there is some time limit? And lol I'm not here for argument.
Not something player's need to know.
Sorry for going off topic, but can this "sold due to inactive" have power on CBs and on Phone numbers? CB's and phone's can be removed when the owner is inactive for 3 months+.
If we had the commands to do it yeah we probably would.
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Could you please state the whole procedure of how HQ members feel that they should sell this property, of course 3 months rule is still here, but we are still unable to recognize this new rule, Do HQ member sell property whenever the feel it should be or there is some time limit? And lol I'm not here for argument.
It's not a new rule, and as Rusty said, there's no need for players to know exactly how as that's when people start camping on properties to be sold and others start coming ingame for 5 minutes every so often to keep their properties.
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It's kind of simple, just use your properties for what they're meant for... ROLEPLAY... dont own something just to look cool or not let someone else own it, use it for RP or it'll be taken simple as that
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Sorry for going off topic, but can this "sold due to inactive" have power on CBs and on Phone numbers? CB's and phone's can be removed when the owner is inactive for 3 months+.
Lol what's the point of this? How are we going to judge how these numbers or cb radios are active? By the amount of times someone joined and re-entered their cb and how many times someone called someone? There are almost 9000 CBs and even in RS4 there were plenty left, so no, I don't think numbers or cb radios should be removed (unless they someday are all registered), since numbers are also almost unlimited they shouldn't be either.
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It's not a new rule, and as Rusty said, there's no need for players to know exactly how as that's when people start camping on properties to be sold and others start coming ingame for 5 minutes every so often to keep their properties.
So it can be sold even if player logs in game after every 5 minutes and enters his property daily?
Still players has to know about it, that how they can save their properties from being sold.
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And from where we are talking about Roleplay here? In a general way I'm stating that business profit script would make people enter their business more, nothing else, Therefore Devin already said that they are going for houses rather than businesses.
RPing a business would be more of a reason to make me enter my business than it would some script.
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Why not just put up a Cronjob that runs a php-script that checks last entries each day/week/month on properties and change ownership for those who have no entering them in 3 month?
Makes less work for managers and also secure the work to be done properly..
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If we had the commands to do it yeah we probably would.
I hope you get one soon or later, I already found a number I want for my phone >.>
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Why not just put up a Cronjob that runs a php-script that checks last entries each day/week/month on properties and change ownership for those who have no entering them in 3 month?
Makes less work for managers and also secure the work to be done properly..
and i still wonder why you aren't a scripter
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So it can be sold even if player logs in game after every 5 minutes and enters his property daily?
Still players has to know about it, that how they can save their properties from being sold.
As I have already stated in this topic, it's under the HQ members discretion whether they sell a property or not.
Any property that is inactive will be sold after a couple of months.
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As I have already stated in this topic, it's under the HQ members discretion whether they sell a property or not.
Any property that is inactive will be sold after a couple of months.
For the purpose of remaining safe, wouldn't it be easier for the members to know right before their property gets sold?
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For the purpose of remaining safe, wouldn't it be easier for the members to know right before their property gets sold?
If the property is being sold it's likely because the property hasn't been entered in a lengthy time. While I think the current time frame is a bit small, I can understand trying to notify a player is a bit of a problem considering the likely conditions in which they are being sold.
Best bet is to checkin at least once a month.
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For the purpose of remaining safe, wouldn't it be easier for the members to know right before their property gets sold?
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Please ffs stop quoting others... we can READ! and if you noticed,Teddy already answered his question -_-
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Would it be too much to ask players to take responsibility for their properties and entering them every so often?
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Would it be too much to ask players to take responsibility for their properties and entering them every so often?
No, sir.
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Even though the discussion changed a lot... Im glad that it got such attention. Hopefully even the few remaining that didnt know, are well informed now.
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I just think that players didn't expected/weren't informed about the re-activating of this rule.
Admins didn't unowned properties for a while now since rs5 started, cause they actually didn't had a command to do it. When the command was added, they continue 'forcing' that rule, but the community wasn't aware/informed of that.
I know that Devin posted this on a sticky topic in SAMP General section,like few days before Rusty started unowning the properties if I'm not mistaken, but not alot of people even saw that, hence the crying.