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Title: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Teddy on July 16, 2015, 07:58:54 pm
Good Evening,

We're going to be looking into law enforcement groups that are independent of SAPD/ARPD to become law enforcement agencies the work along side the current. We'll also be considering military groups and intelligence/information organizations. Once a law enforcement group you'll have access to same law enforcement commands as SAPD.

If you are interested, just make your group known to someone of HQ and we'll be watching. :)

Thanks,
Teddy
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Pizza4_Games on July 16, 2015, 08:02:57 pm
Awesome  ;)
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: LeHott on July 16, 2015, 08:16:34 pm
just make your group known to someone of HQ

Is the group information somehow supposed to be sent to the HQ, Or is the goal actually to make the group well-known throughout the server?

P.S.
Will the groups be punished by the current authorities for 'Enforcing law without being on duty' , as they were until now?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Plam_Knight on July 16, 2015, 08:24:05 pm
Is the group information somehow supposed to be sent to the HQ, Or is the goal actually to make the group well-known throughout the server?

P.S.
Will the groups be punished by the current authorities for 'Enforcing law without being on duty' , as they were until now?

If you read the full post, you can see that Teddy is saying the faction will have equal rights to enforce law as rest of the factions, but I am guessing they are looking for unique factions that are specializing in something outside of regular, so I doubt the faction will have same extend of jobs as SAPD does, it will be more of 1 type of specialized work.

Good example is crime investigation unit, which can be a good faction depending on script changes and it can be very compatable with current SAPD and FBI.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Mang on July 16, 2015, 09:38:34 pm
Is there really a need for this? Often even SAPD has 0 players online after the new reforms, is there a player count to support more than 2 law enforcement organisations? And while having a military group could be useful there's not really a need for an intelligence agency as FBI handles that already. Maybe more divisions that specialize in different tasks should be added to SAPD/FBI instead?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Plam_Knight on July 16, 2015, 09:41:14 pm
Generally in my opinion we cannot get enough manpower to keep so many factions open at this stage, but generally this topic doesn't mention they will be added today or in 1 month, it can be even years before they are open, so maybe they just want ideas and suggestions for now.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: eymas on July 16, 2015, 10:25:56 pm
Maybe more divisions that specialize in different tasks should be added to SAPD/FBI instead?
currently the SAPD did get 6 new specializations whilst sacrificing a division and splitting one in two.
FBI had two, but nothing ever came from those to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Marcel on July 16, 2015, 11:07:53 pm
Is there really a need for this? Often even SAPD has 0 players online after the new reforms, is there a player count to support more than 2 law enforcement organisations? And while having a military group could be useful there's not really a need for an intelligence agency as FBI handles that already. Maybe more divisions that specialize in different tasks should be added to SAPD/FBI instead?
There is more than enough interest in such factions. It is a good thing that this is finally being done.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Mang on July 16, 2015, 11:26:42 pm
There is more than enough interest in such factions. It is a good thing that this is finally being done.
Interest by whom? Who's going to lead and join those said factions? Most people that are interested in this kind of roleplay are already in SAPD/FBI, most people that are interested in and are capable of leading a law enforcement organisation already do so in SAPD/FBI and by creating more factions you'd simply take away members those groups already lack.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Marcel on July 16, 2015, 11:28:18 pm
Interest by whom? Who's going to lead and join those said factions? Most people that are interested in this kind of roleplay are already in SAPD/FBI, most people that are interested in and are capable of leading a law enforcement organisation already do so in SAPD/FBI and you'd just take away members those groups already lack.
Are you aware that there's already an official CIA group since about 2012? Up until now, it has lacked any scripting support and as such, this is a good way to prove the groups' worth.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Benn on July 16, 2015, 11:30:25 pm
Wow this is great, If Ben was here he would probably re open ADF for this...
I would love to see process on the elections scripts for mayors
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Marcel on July 16, 2015, 11:31:20 pm
Wow this is great, If Ben was here he would probably re open ADF for this...
I would love to see process on the elections scripts for mayors
ADF is currently semi-open. It is being lead by =AV=Polar. You should ask him about any progress.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Matthew_Green on July 17, 2015, 12:24:46 am
We'll also be considering military groups and intelligence/information organizations.

Thanks,
Teddy


That means we can make Argo's version of I.S.I.S? (The one from Archer, not real-life)
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on July 17, 2015, 12:52:40 am
FBI had two, but nothing ever came from those to my knowledge.
This type of information remains classified.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Manoni on July 17, 2015, 01:04:12 am
This type of information remains classified.

(http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/5165573.jpg)
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: eymas on July 17, 2015, 08:11:27 am
This type of information remains classified.
Don't worry, I am only using public info. (think vehicles which were visible)
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Rusty on July 17, 2015, 08:13:36 am
Dedicated Law Enforcement Faction for dealing with Narcotics would be a big thing with the new drug system coming out soon. 
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Rick. on July 17, 2015, 08:43:36 am
Pretty much DEA?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Rusty on July 17, 2015, 08:54:11 am
Pretty much DEA?

Pretty much but needs to be done right if it were to even get anywhere.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: psyron on July 17, 2015, 10:19:52 am
(http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/5165573.jpg)

xDDD

topic - this group better be recognized/official to get those rights and not just anyone who makes a forum topic about his group.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Devin on July 17, 2015, 12:17:55 pm
xDDD

topic - this group better be recognized/official to get those rights and not just anyone who makes a forum topic about his group.

It will have to be run with high standards to get any sort of support in-game.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Morais on July 17, 2015, 12:26:42 pm
What if we fix what's broken right now instead of getting new things to break?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Teddy on July 17, 2015, 05:12:51 pm
What if we fix what's broken right now instead of getting new things to break?


The ideology of only doing one thing at a time is what is broken. I suggest you fix it for yourself. We have enough people with the capability to multi-task and have every intent of doing so to ensure the community, and scripts, progress on multiple fronts.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Benn on July 17, 2015, 05:20:48 pm
Would love to see Army in game
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Teddy on July 17, 2015, 05:22:51 pm
Would love to see Army in game

We are currently in the talks to give a former military-style group the status for our military.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Seskom on July 17, 2015, 06:27:37 pm
Business idea.

1. Start DEA
2. Confiscate alot of drugs
3. Smuggle those drugs out without people noticing
4. Find a reliable buyer from mafia
5. $$$
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Spike. on July 17, 2015, 08:08:10 pm
Who would be supervising these new groups ? Department of Defense?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: SkyHawk on July 17, 2015, 08:28:30 pm
I might have to get in contact with Ben and try to get ADF back up and running just for this..
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Lionel Valdes on July 17, 2015, 08:51:42 pm
Would love to restart the Coast Guard project.  :cop:
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: LeHott on July 17, 2015, 09:11:16 pm
I'd love to see that.
CoastGuard and ADF could cooperate very nicely.

And @PlamKnight , I meant until they become official.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on July 18, 2015, 04:42:05 am
I might have to get in contact with Ben and try to get ADF back up and running just for this..
good luck
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: TiMoN on July 18, 2015, 01:19:56 pm
How will these groups actively "enforce" the law when they aren't on duty?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Marcel on July 18, 2015, 01:21:24 pm
How will these groups actively "enforce" the law when they aren't on duty?
Have you considered a scenario where different groups get rights to do duty?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: TiMoN on July 18, 2015, 01:35:44 pm
Have you considered a scenario where different groups get rights to do duty?
I was talking about unofficial groups. I understand that there are many types of law enforcement groups, but I don't suppose anyone could just call himself a traffic police officer and start pulling over people, no?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Gandalf on July 18, 2015, 02:54:03 pm
I was talking about unofficial groups. I understand that there are many types of law enforcement groups, but I don't suppose anyone could just call himself a traffic police officer and start pulling over people, no?
It is roleplay, so no reason why they could not. ;)
On a more serious note, groups who will comply with basic standard will get access to the things /duty gives like uniforms and a designation people can see. There has to be a basic standard for the groups as we do not wish to recreate the old situation where it is easy to get in to the law enforcement role and use its advantages.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: TiMoN on July 18, 2015, 03:10:14 pm
On a more serious note, groups who will comply with basic standard will get access to the things /duty gives like uniforms and a designation people can see. There has to be a basic standard for the groups as we do not wish to recreate the old situation where it is easy to get in to the law enforcement role and use its advantages.
That seems about right, I would like to see some regulation on this though. Idea uniqueness, and if it is actually possible or not should be taken into considering(As in, 3 military groups would be unnecessary for example).
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Gandalf on July 18, 2015, 05:22:34 pm
That seems about right, I would like to see some regulation on this though. Idea uniqueness, and if it is actually possible or not should be taken into considering(As in, 3 military groups would be unnecessary for example).
Nothing wrong with competition, just like with criminal groups the good ones will become stable and grow, the bad ones will fade out.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: JackWhite on July 19, 2015, 12:08:17 pm
SRUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Spike. on July 19, 2015, 12:55:36 pm
Is this going to be community wide or only SA:MP?
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Cyril on July 19, 2015, 12:57:04 pm
Is this going to be community wide or only SA:MP?

If it's SA:MP Boards then it concerns only SA:MP
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Kalvin on July 21, 2015, 01:43:34 pm
Time to bring ADF back, I guess.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: beLTa on July 21, 2015, 02:12:07 pm
Time to bring ADF back, I guess.

Good idea. Bring ADF back!
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Trevor. on July 21, 2015, 02:14:58 pm
Nice Idea.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Teddy on July 21, 2015, 06:22:40 pm
I will note, we have already selected a group for the military and no it is not ADF. We will announce the details when it's ready.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Frank_Hawk on July 21, 2015, 06:58:20 pm
Apologies for going off topic, but in terms of delivery priority - is this really needed? Looking in-game, we hardly have many cops online. Also, whilst I'm on the subject - are we looking at reinstating the freecop system? Especially since orange dots have been removed - this might be an prudent option to spike activity.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Spike. on July 21, 2015, 09:37:25 pm
I will note, we have already selected a group for the military and no it is not ADF. We will announce the details when it's ready.

Probably MGI (http://mgi.argonathrpg.com).
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: TiMoN on July 21, 2015, 10:03:39 pm
Probably MGI (http://mgi.argonathrpg.com).
Nah, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Manoni on July 21, 2015, 10:16:27 pm
gz to CID
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Spike. on July 21, 2015, 10:24:52 pm
 :gand:




PS:

100/10 signature  :app:
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Teddy on July 21, 2015, 11:12:18 pm
This not a moan topic for those who are upset the group they made 5 minutes ago isn't being considered. You've only just now proved you are not the leadership we are seeking for anyways.. good job.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: KhornateMonkey on July 22, 2015, 05:00:09 pm
Business idea.

1. Start DEA
2. Confiscate alot of drugs
3. Smuggle those drugs out without people noticing
4. Find a reliable buyer from mafia
5. $$$

This is actually very interesting and would present unparalleled and unique role play opportunities.
Title: Re: Considering external law enforcement groups
Post by: Teddy on July 25, 2015, 03:28:17 am
MGI is now an official law enforcement group. It has been granted the Area 69 as it's base and is now the official military force.

I am considering one additional group, which has also maintained official status in the past before. Any other group is welcome to PM with with arguments for considerations.
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