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Title: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Teddy on August 12, 2015, 01:39:04 am
Hello,

I am writing a final warning out to all players who find it amusing to goto the new law enforcement establishments purely to start shit. Doing so is the equivalent of going to LSPD simply to get suspect.

It is cop-baiting and you will be punished.

You've been warned.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Khm on August 12, 2015, 01:43:59 am
Thanks.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Manoni on August 12, 2015, 02:00:08 am
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Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Yasko on August 12, 2015, 02:01:04 am
Ok.  :app:
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Axison on August 12, 2015, 02:23:37 am
Alright.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Drawn on August 12, 2015, 03:01:17 am
Understood.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Cofiliano on August 13, 2015, 03:59:26 pm
MGI is at AREA 51 right? What about CIA? Most players dont even know they exist, not to mention knowing that some place is their HQ etc.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Marcel on August 13, 2015, 04:30:16 pm
MGI is at AREA 51 right? What about CIA? Most players dont even know they exist, not to mention knowing that some place is their HQ etc.
Do you even have the slightest idea of what the CIA does and why it would be beneficial for the CIA to have some secrecy?
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Khm on August 13, 2015, 07:27:03 pm
MGI is at AREA 51 right? What about CIA? Most players dont even know they exist, not to mention knowing that some place is their HQ etc.
Common sense, any place barricaded or has fences around it, is considered to be a closed zone and only the owners of that place can access it.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: TiMoN on August 13, 2015, 07:47:50 pm
Common sense, any place barricaded or has fences around it, is considered to be a closed zone and only the owners of that place can access it.
Except that when you try to sue someone for trespassing you get told that you don't own your exterior.     
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Mang on August 13, 2015, 09:39:27 pm
Except that when you try to sue someone for trespassing you get told that you don't own your exterior.   
The reason is this :)
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Ordinance IX: Any citizen has the right to move inside Argonath and to establish his house anywhere in the United State of Argonath. Any threats or action against someone because he is into an area is therefore totally prohibited.
   IX.I: A person access may be restricted in certain areas temporarily or permanently.
      IX.I.I: Permanent access denial: Law enforcement agencies and government officials can deny access to some areas or an entire building of government propriety. Restrictions apply to: LSPD Garage and North Parking, SFPD South Parking and Garage, LVPD West Parking and Garage, SWAT Garage and Buildings, FBI Garage and Buildings.
      IX.I.II: Temporary access denial: Law enforcement agencies and government officials can deny access to some areas or an entire building for national security reason or any valid reason for a limited amount of time. The denial must be justified but can apply to any propriety or area of the United State of Argonath.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Manoni on August 13, 2015, 10:02:06 pm
You can still roleplay his way out of your property.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Bundy on August 13, 2015, 10:14:27 pm
I am writing a final warning out to all players who find it amusing to goto the new law enforcement establishments purely to start shit.
How about groups of people going to new criminal groups purely to start shit?
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Brian on August 13, 2015, 10:41:32 pm
How about groups of people going to new criminal groups purely to start shit?
It would depend IMO.
If a criminal group engages activities with another, new criminal group that can be done in a pure role-play way.
If a group of cops go after a new criminal group that has been commiting crimes, that's also purely role-play.
If people go troll, just report them.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: beLTa on August 14, 2015, 12:49:05 am
I was confused too, to be honest. Thanks Ted, for making it clear.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Bundy on August 14, 2015, 05:02:26 am
It would depend IMO.
If a criminal group engages activities with another, new criminal group that can be done in a pure role-play way.
If a group of cops go after a new criminal group that has been commiting crimes, that's also purely role-play.
If people go troll, just report them.
So you say criminals are not allowed to roleplay with cop groups but only with criminal groups?
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Manoni on August 14, 2015, 05:11:25 am
So you say criminals are not allowed to roleplay with cop groups but only with criminal groups?

Everything that falls under roleplay interaction should be allowed, no matter what group you are part of. If you are obviously just going with a lame excuse to start a shootout then you do will get punished. This mostly depends of the perspective of both parties that participate in the roleplay, one side might agree, the other might not, leading administrators to terminate the scenario before it really starts to avoid DM fests or moanings over chat.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Marcel on August 14, 2015, 07:02:59 am
So you say criminals are not allowed to roleplay with cop groups but only with criminal groups?
I strongly suggest you to buy a pair of glasses if that is your conclusion after reading Brian's message.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Cofiliano on August 15, 2015, 12:56:31 am
Do you even have the slightest idea of what the CIA does and why it would be beneficial for the CIA to have some secrecy?
Do you even have the slightest idea how many people can/will get banned, just because they started some 'tougher' roleplay with a random person, who turns out to be CIA, and which turns out to be considered as copbaiting?

I strongly suggest you to buy a pair of glasses if that is your conclusion after reading Brian's message.
I strongly suggest you stop addressing people in such a negative and provocative attitude. No need for that, he asked for a simple clarification.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Khm on August 15, 2015, 01:23:46 am
Do you even have the slightest idea how many people can/will get banned, just because they started some 'tougher' roleplay with a random person, who turns out to be CIA, and which turns out to be considered as copbaiting?
There's difference between coming behind someone who you just saw concealed his badge and shout "FUCK DA POLICE" and role-play.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Bundy on August 15, 2015, 01:27:42 am
I strongly suggest you to buy a pair of glasses if that is your conclusion after reading Brian's message.
Then please enlighten us of what you've understood of Brian's message instead of insulting people.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Teddy on August 15, 2015, 05:20:17 am
Have we really reached a point where we cannot have a single announcement clarifying that simply the same cop baiting rule that exists for SAPD is actually applicable to new law enforcement groups.

There is nothing new here. This is a rule that has existed. Wake up.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: FrankSerin on August 15, 2015, 06:01:48 am
I won't speak for the other agencies within law enforcement, but when it comes to Area 51, and MGI, it is simple... If you are unauthorized to be in the area, you are given ample warning to vacate the area. If you refuse to leave or make an attempt to leave in a peaceful manner, you will be approached in a manner than may result in being taken to court, injury or loss of life. That is assuming the person or persons there are there in a roleplay manner. If not, then you will be reported for copbaiting. There is a very big difference between roleplay and just there to troll another group.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Pizza4_Games on August 15, 2015, 08:37:41 am
Why is CIA with the law enforcements in the first place... dont you have anything else to do?
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Marcel on August 15, 2015, 08:48:08 am
Why is CIA with the law enforcements in the first place... dont you have anything else to do?
I could tell you, but then i'd have to kill you.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Bogomil on August 15, 2015, 08:54:08 am
Why is CIA with the law enforcements in the first place... dont you have anything else to do?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=CIA
Why are you talking so much in first place?
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Pizza4_Games on August 15, 2015, 08:58:50 am
Why are you talking so much in first place?
Because i can, heck i only said one thing here...
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: LewisChurch on August 16, 2015, 06:18:05 am
I could tell you, but then i'd have to kill you.

Doesn't the real CIA have little to no domestic law enforcement autorithy what so ever? What is even the porpuse of it existing here considering we have no other actual nations to keep tabs on?
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Marcel on August 16, 2015, 03:11:01 pm
Doesn't the real CIA have little to no domestic law enforcement autorithy what so ever? What is even the porpuse of it existing here considering we have no other actual nations to keep tabs on?
Because this isn't real life.

Also, please get back on topic.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: AK47 on November 08, 2015, 05:46:49 pm
Since when does MGI own the entire desert?

(http://i.imgur.com/aW6T3N3.jpg)
(The red line is the dirtroad going around AREA51)


This is a picture of me when I just had finished a phonecall and SAPD rolled up and forced me to leave or otherwise I'd get detained.
I thought MGI owned the extended AREA51 and not the entire desert around it? How come I, as citizen of Fort Carson are not permitted to cruise around in the lovely desert I bought a home at to get away from the abusive SAPD?
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Mikal on November 08, 2015, 06:19:30 pm
Since when does MGI own the entire desert?

(http://i.imgur.com/aW6T3N3.jpg)
(The red line is the dirtroad going around AREA51)


This is a picture of me when I just had finished a phonecall and SAPD rolled up and forced me to leave or otherwise I'd get detained.
I thought MGI owned the extended AREA51 and not the entire desert around it? How come I, as citizen of Fort Carson are not permitted to cruise around in the lovely desert I bought a home at to get away from the abusive SAPD?
To be honest I can't understand why such an inactive 'group' has control over one of the biggest roleplay assets in the game, used by numerous groups over the years, ADF, AA, USAA, AAF, all of which were allowed access freely, and now nobody can enter? Let alone enter the area OUTSIDE the fence? I think it's down right disgusting TBH, MGI should have a HQ mapped elsewhere, especially if they cannot even keep up a basic amount of activity or even create the slightest bit of RP when they are actually in-game (flying Hydras and Hunters around isn't RP).
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Manoni on November 08, 2015, 06:36:27 pm
@Emmett MGI restricted area is after crossing that fence, the surroundings should't be restricted. As corporal of the MGI I'm unaware why you got detained by the SAPD, you should get in contact with a Captain regarding this issue.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: Stivi on November 08, 2015, 08:30:12 pm
Give them another HQ, like the Sherman Dam? Yeah, you can fly your Hydras from there.
Title: Re: MGI & CIA - Yes, it's still copbaiting
Post by: StatuZ on November 08, 2015, 08:41:40 pm
Since when does MGI own the entire desert?
This is a picture of me when I just had finished a phonecall and SAPD rolled up and forced me to leave or otherwise I'd get detained.
I thought MGI owned the extended AREA51 and not the entire desert around it? How come I, as citizen of Fort Carson are not permitted to cruise around in the lovely desert I bought a home at to get away from the abusive SAPD?

Up to an hour prior to that moment, a lot of people have been creeping around, doing stuff that would make people think about the term cophunting. I was at the base at the time you took that screenshot. I have observed you circling around the base once or twice, stopping and aiming something that looked like either a firearm or a camera. Since i was unsure of your intentions, i requested the SAPD to check it out. I have not told them to send you away, merely just to make sure you weren't doing anything wrong.

To clarify for everybody, everything within the fence line is off limits, wether it be on foot, or in the air. It's common sense that, if you stay within radar range, actively taking pictures, or doing anything other than passing through, people will start wondering what you would be doing. Expecially if you stand on top of higher ground without clear intentions, aiming an object that could possibly be a weapon.
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