Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on August 25, 2015, 05:38:22 pm
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Hello,
After some input, and suggestion by Ronnel I have decided it's time to split our "light" RP server and branch to an optional hardcore "serious" RP server.
HC-RPG will run a modified version of RS5.1, will get most updates RS5.1 does along with security patches and technical patches. It will however have modifications, additions, and of course removals that gear this system to a much more seriously level of RP.
I plan to have this ready in September.
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Ye lets kill the other server...whats the point? Why not integrate this into the server we already have?
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There are people who want hardcore rp, there are people who want light rp. We have the resources to run both and have every intention of catering to both. Right now we cannot cater both within a single server.
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Splitting 40 players is not good.
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There are people who want hardcore rp, there are people who want light rp. We have the resources to run both and have every intention of catering to both. Right now we cannot cater both within a single server.
I really like the initiative but its not something we should do atleast not now. This will be a disaster for the SA:MP Community in Argonath. People want active progress. There is no point in creating a "hardcore" server.
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As said in the "Hosted Tab"-topic. Choose your side. You don't have the player base to do both, nor do you have the possibility to have a mix without being out of the ordinary.
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What I personally view Argonath RPG(SA:MP) is a -Free- Roleplay server, which means that the players are free to roleplay however they want, be it hardcore srs real life or light roleplay with elements of freeroam. Splitting the servers will just lower the playerbase and make unnecessary complications...Just think of the new admins that will have to be recruited and all the time spent by people to build up a srs RP thing going on will just be demolished and we'll have to start all over...
Is it really needed?
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As said in the "Hosted Tab"-topic. Choose your side. You don't have the player base to do both, nor do you have the possibility to have a mix without being out of the ordinary.
The player base will be entirely separate for both. As evident, most people playing Argonath SA-MP now, as Captain Ignorant said is roughly 40 players. Those are mostly people we figure will have the least interest in actual RP. In this server, we will promote to more people outside of the community seeking to join a more serious server with very strict ruleset.
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Actually it's a good idea, give it a try if it didn't work other things can be worked out.
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We cannot make the current server hardcore RP. Foundational it's wrong. It's how Argonath got started, it's in-fact the entire reason got started. So, a lot of you complain about waiting more hardcore elements and we spend our time figuring it out.
I don't think you guys understand the stress I've been placed under trying to decide what should and shouldn't go into the SA:MP server, and then getting nothing but shit either way.. "oh this is too serious, oh this isn't serious enough".
Is this really needed? You decide. I'll add a poll.
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You might as well create another server with RS4 on it.
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Don't do it, it will completely whipped out the Community.
Just keep on improving SAMP main server, and focus all your resources/time/energy into that.
Just curious, have you considered in opening a light roleplay server, and developing the current active server into a bit more serious one?
Even that would be a better solution, since its not some imaginary new players complaning about the lack of roleplay, yet the active ones.
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We cannot make the current server hardcore RP. Foundational it's wrong. It's how Argonath got started, it's in-fact the entire reason got started. So, a lot of you complain about waiting more hardcore elements and we spend our time figuring it out.
I don't think you guys understand the stress I've been placed under trying to decide what should and shouldn't go into the SA:MP server, and then getting nothing but shit either way.. "oh this is too serious, oh this isn't serious enough".
Is this really needed? You decide. I'll add a poll.
Gather more scripters. You shouldn't need to make all the decisions yourself. Its better to have a team of scripters who collectively decide whats better and what not and ofc input form community.
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Just curious, have you considered in opening a light roleplay server, and developing the current active server into a bit more serious one?
Even that would be a better solution, since its not some imaginary new players complaning about the lack of roleplay, yet the active ones.
It would be roughly the same wouldn't it?
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Gather more scripters. You shouldn't need to make all the decisions yourself. Its better to have a team of scripters who collectively decide whats better and what not and ofc input form community.
The choice ultimately comes down to me, the lead scripter. I try to make the best choice but honestly.. I'm only human and I don't always know what the best choice is.... and that's something I feel most people don't understand.
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We cannot make the current server hardcore RP. Foundational it's wrong.
And noone wants that. Yeah, some people wish to be more serious about their roleplay, but that's not -hardcore RP- as you call it, Argonath's level of Roleplay has increased to a great standard the past few months, why ruin the progress?
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The choice ultimately comes down to me, the lead scripter. I try to make the best choice but honestly.. I'm only human and I don't always know what the best choice is.... and that's something I feel most people don't understand.
Even if it does, you'll have people to discuss ideas with then, you also got the community
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And noone wants that. Yeah, some people wish to be more serious about their roleplay, but that's not -hardcore RP- as you call it, Argonath's level of Roleplay has increased to a great standard the past few months, why ruin the progress?
because people suggest ideas that are elements of hardcore servers.
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We don't lose nothing in trying it. People shouldn't go negative against an idea without knowing first.
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Even if it does, you'll have people to discuss ideas with then, you also got the community
Yeah, I listen to the community and look where it's getting me... even more stressed, yet I keep it up because it's a change I promised and intend to keep.
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I have a queston, will we have to restart things there?
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because people suggest ideas that are elements of hardcore servers.
Elements of serious roleplay, that's one thing. While they might be added it will still keep the freedom of Roleplay in Argonath. So far noone has forced any level of Roleplay trough the years, but adding a hardcore RP server will enforce people to strictly RP, and there are far too many servers in which you can do that. Why lose the Argonath spirit?
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I have a queston, will we have to restart things there?
It would be possible to migrate accounts on request.
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Having a second server won't be good. We will be 10-15 players on the hardcore roleplay and 10-15 on RPG. Let's not turn Argonath in hardcore roleplay but make the current scripts better? Add new ones.
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It would be roughly the same wouldn't it?
No its a big difference. I would have to start Gvardia all over again on that new server, and it took us 2 times x2-3 years to do so. I personally and my group couldnt give another 2-3 years of development, and specially if no one knows will this work out or not. We're mostly older players, approximately average 22-23 years old. I wouldnt have a way to motivate my people to do it all over again, for the 3rd time. And we're mostly into more decent roleplay then freeroam.
Its like completely moving to a new server(Which we could have done dozen of times till now, and are constantly annoyed by many people/servers to do so, yet we stayed here.)
I took Gvardia just as an example, why's this such a big difference.
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Elements of serious roleplay, that's one thing. While they might be added it will still keep the freedom of Roleplay in Argonath. So far noone has forced any level of Roleplay trough the years, but adding a hardcore RP server will enforce people to strictly RP, and there are far too many servers in which you can do that. Why lose the Argonath spirit?
The light RP server will still be the main server and focus of Argonath. It won't close down. I don't think you understand how many people from the main server will join this one and get banned quickly or simply leave because they don't like it and head back to light rp.
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No its a big difference. I would have to start Gvardia all over again on that new server, and it took us 2 times x2-3 years to do so. I personally and my group couldnt give another 2-3 years of development, and specially if no one knows will this work out or not. We're mostly older players, approximately average 22-23 years old. I wouldnt have a way to motivate my people to do it all over again, for the 3rd time. And we're mostly into more decent roleplay then freeroam.
Its like completely moving to a new server(Which we could have done dozen of times till now, and are constantly annoyed by many people/servers to do so, yet we stayed here.)
I took Gvardia just as an example, why's this such a big difference.
It will still be using RS5.1, we can migrate data easily between the two.
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It would be possible to migrate accounts on request.
Are you planning to migrate the properties ownership too or people will have the chance to chose them again?
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There is clearly a difference between Hardcore RP and Decent RP. We have decent roleplay in Argonath. We're just lacking some scripts.
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The light RP server will still be the main server and focus of Argonath. It won't close down. I don't think you understand how many people from the main server will join this one and get banned quickly or simply leave because they don't like it and head back to light rp.
Then why waste your time with it when RS5 needs improvements and there scripts we've been waiting for, for long enough? Just improve the main server to be able to sustain both light and heavy RP. We are on the right track so far...
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I don't support this, it's not needed at all.
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Are you planning to migrate the properties ownership too or people will have the chance to chose them again?
Players who choose to migrate accounts would lose properties and vehicles BUT would get reimbursed the value of them. This is because on the HC RP server we will have a different licensing system for vehicles, houses, and businesses.
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Then why waste your time with it when RS5 needs improvements and there scripts we've been waiting for, for long enough? Just improve the main server to be able to sustain both light and heavy RP. We are on the right track so far...
This.
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Then why waste your time with it when RS5 needs improvements and there scripts we've been waiting for, for long enough? Just improve the main server to be able to sustain both light and heavy RP. We are on the right track so far...
We cannot have 2 in 1. They are simply far too different.
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There is clearly a difference between Hardcore RP and Decent RP. We have decent roleplay in Argonath. We're just lacking some scripts.
I agree with this to be honest. You all witness how much the roleplay improved on Argo after those changes made by the "new era" were implemented. All we/you gotta do, is continue in that direction, mostly in scripts and advertisement, and some minor rule changes.
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We cannot have 2 in 1. They are simply far too different.
WE dont need to. As said before, no one here wants a Hardcore server. We want a server which possesses a decent realm of roleplay. Which we do but lack script support on some region
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We cannot have 2 in 1. They are simply far too different.
Don't say "We", as many others in Argonath have managed to have them both. And I personally can do both.
There have been numerous heavy RP groups on Argonath, who managed to pull off hardcore RP, among light RPers. I really don't see what changed so sudden and how they are not compatible. They have been in the past...
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All we/you gotta do, is continue in that direction, mostly in scripts and advertisement, and some minor rule changes.
Then the community bullshit needs to end. As I cannot continue in this direction, it's simply far too much stress. I am always here to listen but the community needs to accept what Argonath is and isn't and understand I won't consider anything serious (serious RP) anymore. I will reject it right away without discussion and I expect you to respect that and move on. Should this not happen I won't stick around and chances are you'll go back to the old team who won't listen.
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Then the community bullshit needs to end. As I cannot continue in this direction, it's simply far too much stress. I am always here to listen but the community needs to accept what Argonath is and isn't and understand I won't consider anything serious (serious RP) anymore. I will reject it right away without discussion and I expect you to respect that and move on. Should this not happen I won't stick around and chances are you'll go back to the old team who won't listen.
And what exactly do you consider "serious"?
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I plan to have this ready in September.
I want to see the RP level increase but I'm undecided, though do you plan on having a full server scripted in September?
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Well first of all it's a good idea that's why I decided to choose Yes!
But still a question popping into my mind, will it be depend upon the players what and which server to choose? Since we already have low amount of players, how can we split less players to more than less? Don't you think this might would decrease the amount of new players more than now.
How? Alright! As far as I know, people join those servers which contains at least some players. If we are splitting 40 players to 20 means RPG server will have 20. Now more less people to introduce new players about ArgonathRPG. That's what I'm afraid of.
On the other hand, the idea is pretty much nice at least for me to learn more RP!
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I want to see the RP level increase but I'm undecided, though do you plan on having a full server scripted in September?
He has a script(RS5.1)
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Personally, I don't think it's a good idea. At first, I think the community should foccus on expanding itself, gather more players, give them a brief idea of roleplay. Most of the players that enter the server have no idea whatsoever of the concept of roleplay, and end up quitting. And this happens in a light roleplay server, so I don't think they'll last even 5 minutes in a hardcore roleplay server.
Hardcore roleplay is a very complicated thing, which in my understanding, requires a large knowledge of the english language, which most of the players might not have, including myself.
If the few players that the server now hold moved to the Hardcore roleplay server, and after a short period didn't adapt themselves to the new characteristics of the server, it could cause on them to loose interest in both servers, which would lead to the death of the community.
Of course I'd love to try out this new concept within the Argo community, but don't take any rash decisions. Set it up on a trial period, and we will later tell you how we feel, and then depending on the outcome, you decide whether you keep it running or shut it down.
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Then the community bullshit needs to end. As I cannot continue in this direction, it's simply far too much stress. I am always here to listen but the community needs to accept what Argonath is and isn't and understand I won't consider anything serious (serious RP) anymore. I will reject it right away without discussion and I expect you to respect that and move on. Should this not happen I won't stick around and chances are you'll go back to the old team who won't listen.
Argonath is not a dictatorship, you cannot pull it all off by yourself. You said you're under alot of stress, then why not just get people to help you? Have some sort of mediators between the scripters and the playerbase...
And also please define "serious RP ideas" that require scripting, as the only differance between a serious RP server and a light one is not the script, it's the rules.
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Splitting 40 players is not good.
This. Please don't make another division. Fragmentation is never positive.
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Although in theory this would work out few years ago, this isn't the solution we're looking for.
Then the community bullshit needs to end. As I cannot continue in this direction, it's simply far too much stress. I am always here to listen but the community needs to accept what Argonath is and isn't and understand I won't consider anything serious (serious RP) anymore. I will reject it right away without discussion and I expect you to respect that and move on. Should this not happen I won't stick around and chances are you'll go back to the old team who won't listen.
I honestly don't see the community bullshiting to you mate. On a contrary, we all think you need some help with all of that shit, to make things happen faster. You gotta understand people as well, they been listening to stories for years now, and not much of it really happen, all that we see its happening is the server slowly dying out, and people are pointing that out mostly out of fear, of getting the same scenario as MTA SA, or VCMP etc.
What's the difference between the path we took few months ago, and the "serious roleplay suggestions"? I think people here aren't talking about the same things, when they call them "srs rp" or "decent rp" or "freeroam rp". Give some examples of what you mean by that, and lets see what Community thinks about it.
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And what exactly do you consider "serious"?
That would be determined on the idea. Some ideas are clearly elements of a higher degree of RP servers (e.g no blimps) where as others are clearly elements of light RP server and they'll be considered.
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WE dont need to. As said before, no one here wants a Hardcore server.
Since when you speak for everyone?
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Since when you speak for everyone?
I'm not speaking for everyone. I'm implying for people who have said that they don't want a Hardcore server.
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Although in theory this would work out few years ago, this isn't the solution we're looking for.I honestly don't see the community bullshiting to you mate. On a contrary, we all think you need some help with all of that shit, to make things happen faster. You gotta understand people as well, they been listening to stories for years now, and not much of it really happen, all that we see its happening is the server slowly dying out, and people are pointing that out mostly out of fear, or getting the same scenario as MTA SA, or VCMP etc.
What's the difference between the path we took few months ago, and the "serious roleplay suggestions"? I think people here aren't talking about the same things, when they call them "srs rp" or "decent rp" or "freeroam rp". Give some examples of what you mean by that, and lets see what Community thinks about it.
All the time over Skype I get messaged about stuff, or see people talking in /p or in CB and even in PM talking down on choices made.. choices I made. If the community is truly going to help build this community, then they need to really accept what it is, but understand we're willing to make changes as long as we don't loose the core value. That is the bottom line.
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He has a script(RS5.1)
If so, go out with it. You have it already.
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Teddy, you cant make everyone happy.
Just do what you think that's right for this community.
Honestly.. what are we all doing in rpg?
Every day feels like the same day, don't you guys want something new? Well I want something new and a heavy RP server is the way out.
If you dont like the idea? Fine, I respect that. Stay in RPG.
But don't destroy this idea for the people that want something new and voted yes.
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Then the community bullshit needs to end. As I cannot continue in this direction, it's simply far too much stress. I am always here to listen but the community needs to accept what Argonath is and isn't and understand I won't consider anything serious (serious RP) anymore. I will reject it right away without discussion and I expect you to respect that and move on. Should this not happen I won't stick around and chances are you'll go back to the old team who won't listen.
That will make it worse actually, just relax you need some rest for now.
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I'm not speaking for everyone. I'm implying for people who have said that they don't want a Hardcore server.
I think they are capable enough to speak and decide for their own.
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All the time over Skype I get messaged about stuff, or see people talking in /p or in CB and even in PM talking down on choices made.. choices I made. If the community is truly going to help build this community, then they need to really accept what it is, but understand we're willing to make changes as long as we don't loose the core value. That is the bottom line.
We get it, Teddy, you're under alot of stress and have alot of work to do on Argonath...Instead of giving yourself even more headaches with yet another server and having two RS scripts to keep up to date, just get some people to help you out...
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I think they are capable enough to speak and decide for their own.
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I'm pretty sure you know what i meant. Teddy was saying "WE cannot have 2 in 1" therefore this scenario applies to him too?
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If people themselves are really willing to do a serious/decent RP, They will do it. Weather the server is light, medium, strict or even DM server.
There are nothing in the current server/script blocking people from having a decent/serious RP. Nevertheless, People blame the server itself.
I had many decent RPs when I was active with groups like GSF/Gvardia/Corleone and many others. There are many people in Argonath who are quite sick RPers and they do some kickass RPs daily. You don't have to join a serious RP server to have a good RP, I hope that others understand this.
I don't see a point of creating this server, We are already moving in the right direction. Keep updating the current one and this would be better.
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We get it, Teddy, you're under alot of stress and have alot of work to do on Argonath...Instead of giving yourself even more headaches with yet another server and having two RS scripts to keep up to date, just get some people to help you out...
Got any people in mind? We have 2 developers right now including myself. We need more help but don't have enough people who are skilled enough or trusted enough.
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Teddy was saying "WE cannot have 2 in 1" therefore this scenario applies to him too?
Maybe. I don't have voice over Teddy, ask him directly.
Some people would still prefer a more serious-type server for the sake of the playability.
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This is a good idea. Those who want to simulate real life and call it "serious role playing" can play there and people who know the meaning of role playing can keep on playing on Argonath RPG.
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Got any people in mind? We have 2 developers right now including myself. We need more help but don't have enough people who are skilled enough or trusted enough.
You could always open applications for positions that might be useful. Why not hire a team that will go trough ideas and let them decide if it's a good idea or not, then they pass it on to you. Filter the ideas and see what the community wants. I'm sure you'll think of something...I mean you're willing to find administration/moderators/scripters/developers etc. for a whole new server yet you can't find a few people to help you out? Come on man, both of us know that's bullcrap.
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I'm going with yes about this yet I'm one of the guys who hate hardcore RP. I am saying yes to give a chance to these "top rpers" to prove them that they were wrong. Personally, if someone wants to role-play in a real life server why just not do it in real life? My opinion, I find it pointless, to have another life than the real one.
People forget that this is a game to meet friends and enjoy freetime not to make a new life that you wish you had in the real one, why not make it happen in the real one and putting an effort in it? Anyways give it a try, playercount didn't reach 50 in the new server, wrap it up and focus more on the main server.
Good luck bringing your friends from LS:RP to role-play with u lel.
Got any people in mind? We have 2 developers right now including myself. We need more help but don't have enough people who are skilled enough or trusted enough.
Marcel and.... Axis
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You could always open applications for positions that might be useful. Why not hire a team that will go trough ideas and let them decide if it's a good idea or not, then they pass it on to you. Filter the ideas and see what the community wants. I'm sure you'll think of something...I mean you're willing to find administration/moderators/scripters/developers etc. for a whole new server yet you can't find a few people to help you out? Come on man, both of us know that's bullcrap.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111921.0
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@Teddy
There are people who are willing to lend a hand. However the trust parts relies on you. You should give them a chance atleast.
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Marcel.
Trusted enough.
No offense tho.
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No offense tho.
By that logic, there are people i can name who shouldn't even be trusted to be in game.
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No offense tho.
Tell me what did he do wrong?
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111921.0
So, there's just two developers in the server and you, as one of them, are going to make your work even harder by having to be the developer of yet another server? That's masochism.
Imagine if you do that split...There's a playerbase of around 40 people as of the moment(lets say...), you split the servers then you get 20 players in each one of them...
There are no people capable of being a developer in a playerbase of 40, yet you are going to look for developers for TWO servers with each having a playerbase with 20?
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Goobii is a great scripter, hire him. Seen his stuff and it's great.
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Tell me what did he do wrong?
He knows the answer to that. I'm sure you do too. I trust Marcel because I know him better than most. But from the rest of HQs perspective...
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So, there's just two developers in the server and you, as one of them, are going to make your work even harder by having to be the developer of yet another server? That's masochism.
Imagine if you do that split...There's a playerbase of around 40 people as of the moment(lets say...), you split the servers then you get 20 players in each one of them...
There are no people capable of being a developer in a playerbase of 40, yet you are going to look for developers for TWO servers with each having a playerbase with 20?
As I told Cofi, coding isn't a problem for me. I am a decent scripter plus programming in general is stress relief. I can code for hours on end and it'll help me with my stress. This new server wouldn't require a rewrite, simply modifications, and since RS5.1 is modular these can be done really easily... within a few hours.
As for the playerbase, we're assuming there is no increase or additional potential players who left because of the lack of hardcore elements.
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Goobii is a great scripter, hire him. Seen his stuff and it's great.
Have him submit and application.
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By that logic, there are people i can name who shouldn't even be trusted to be in game.
Daring to count yourself on it too?
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Daring to count yourself on it too?
Yes. But, people change and realize their mistakes which MOST of them did and that includes me. However as a side note, i still dont know what i did wrong.
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I don't agree with changing the server to some kinda hardcore serious rp... i love argonath the way it is.
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I don't agree with changing the server to some kinda hardcore serious rp... i love argonath the way it is.
It's not changing, it's a whole new server.
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You might as well create another server with RS4 on it.
Yeah why not? Roll back to RS4 and put RS5 on the HC-RPG server then to have some significant difference.
Seriously though I don't see why this is needed at all. Splitting 23 players isn't good.
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It's not changing, it's a whole new server.
Oh... sorry then let me change my vote to yes
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Yes.
Good. Now lets stop going away from the subject.
It is true, there isn't enough people in the dev/scripters team, but it isn't because they don't want to hire nobody else, is because they haven't seen anyone with the suitable qualities for the task.
Going back to the hc server idea, I would still support it and I hope it doesn't gets cancelled like most of other ideas, only due to complainings.
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I should remind you, quantity does not mean quality. I would personally rather have a small server with high quality than a large server with little quality.
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I should remind you, quantity does not mean quality. I would personally rather have a small server with high quality than a large server with little quality.
There isn't any quality to be seen if the server is half empty.
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There isn't any quality to be seen if the server is half empty.
Really? I've had few quality RPs over the last few weeks. Don't let your own inability to seek or create RP hinder anyone else
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Really? I've had few quality RPs over the last few weeks. Don't let your own inability to seek or create RP hinder anyone else
I don't think you get the point. I've had nice roleplay too. We're talking about what's gonna happen if this second server becomes reality.
There's a threshold for when an environment allows quality to exist. I mean, sure, you can gather your group and RP alone with 10 people in a server, but Argonath is about multiplaying as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't think you get the point. I've had nice roleplay too. We're talking about what's gonna happen if this second server becomes reality.
There's a threshold for when an environment allows quality to exist. I mean, sure, you can gather your group and RP alone with 10 people in a server, but Argonath is about multiplaying as far as I'm concerned.
I'm certain I get the point. You don't. You are still assuming more people won't come back or join fresh to this new server. You cannot base assumptions that there will be zero new players, zero returning players (who left by the absence of such).
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I'm certain I get the point. You don't. You are still assuming more people won't come back or join fresh to this new server. You cannot base assumptions that there will be zero new players, zero returning players (who left by the absence of such).
Wait, so you think that magically more new players will join just because there's two servers in this scenario?
I'm assuming the amount of new players joining will not be affected at all by this, and will stay close to zero. I don't think this is a measure that'll attract new players, and it wasn't presented as such either. It was presented to satisfy some of the current players, from what I read.
And because of that, and by looking at the poll, you're essentially splitting the current player count (around 20) into 2. And when the counts go that low, not a lot of people will be inclined to join, not new players, but also not veterans when they see what's happened.
You gotta think of it practically too.
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I should note this was moved to SA:MP general since it's not something I am inclined to do anymore. It was at first but eh.
And for the record Sal, it is thinking practical. I'm sure you can consider the number of vets who left because of the lack of quality RP and not just driving around screwing off on pizza bikes and calling it RP.
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I should note this was moved to SA:MP general since it's not something I am inclined to do anymore. It was at first but eh.
I hope it doesn't gets cancelled like most of other ideas, only due to complainings.
Oh well.
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I should note this was moved to SA:MP general since it's not something I am inclined to do anymore. It was at first but eh.
And for the record Sal, it is thinking practical. I'm sure you can consider the number of vets who left because of the lack of quality RP and not just driving around screwing off on pizza bikes and calling it RP.
It's not really practical at all. All the vets I've spoken to have very different reasons for leaving than ''lack of quality RP''. For the record, while I tried to bring ''quality RP'' to the gates of Area 69 you came to me a few days later out of nowhere and accused me of harrasing and copbaiting, all without apparently even knowing what really happened there.
So when I try to bring quality RP to OTHER players and not just being a lonely group that only roleplays with itself, it's called harrasing, but when I do stuff with my friends it's called ''screwing off'' and ''nonRP''?
What's up with speaking so degradingly about stalking roleplay anyway? I'm not going around calling towtrucking something for wankers that just like to tow cars and annoy others...
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screwing off on pizza bikes and calling it RP.
as a pizza delivery man i find this offensive
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as a pizza delivery man i find this offensive
Then you don't understand the context. Rping on a pizza bike != screwing off.
It's not really practical at all. All the vets I've spoken to have very different reasons for leaving than ''lack of quality RP''. For the record, while I tried to bring ''quality RP'' to the gates of Area 69 you came to me a few days later out of nowhere and accused me of harrasing and copbaiting, all without apparently even knowing what really happened there.
So when I try to bring quality RP to OTHER players and not just being a lonely group that only roleplays with itself, it's called harrasing, but when I do stuff with my friends it's called ''screwing off'' and ''nonRP''?
What's up with speaking so degradingly about stalking roleplay anyway? I'm not going around calling towtrucking something for wankers that just like to tow cars and annoy others...
I figured you didn't understand what I meant by that. Can't say I'm surprised.
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It's odd to split 20 to 40 players up into 2 servers...
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I figured you didn't understand what I meant by that. Can't say I'm surprised.
Nice, do you always blame it on other people's understandings of what you mean when you think they don't understand?
I'm sure all the no-voters don't understand anything of the grand wazoo here.
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So after listening to feedback this won't be an idea we proceed with.