Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Camels100s on September 01, 2015, 04:14:54 pm
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Hi guys, i sadly noticed that SAFD is abandoned, much times i didn't notice no one on duty, several times i never see nobody interested about it, otherwise we have our Command Staff always inactive for weeks due to IRL (real Life comes first, it's obvius) So, i'm asking.. Can we do something for SAFD? Or some events that can concern SAFD, remember that 11 september is near! we can hold an event about it! it's really sad to have SAFD abandoned.
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Indeed bro,im with you !
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Tho I agree with it, having an event about the 9/11 might offend some people.
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I was actually thinking of talking to SugarD and possible checking if I could take over LSFD in SA:MP but I was still working out a plan on what I would do with it to present to him. Been quite interested in medical/ fire role-play lately.
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I'm happy that i'm not the one who think that about SAFD, we can still valorize it.. fire script too, but maybe that will be done later!
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Absolutely. SAFD needs to be made alive. Having a whole ranking structure and actively cooperate with SAPD/FBI and other agencies in various situations like hostage situations, bomb situations and similar.
And commissioner position should be removed, proper structure should be made where every server has own chief. That way the inactive people don't drag the whole thing down along with them.
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Absolutely. SAFD needs to be made alive. Having a whole ranking structure and actively cooperate with SAPD/FBI and other agencies in various situations like hostage situations, bomb situations and similar.
And commissioner position should be removed, proper structure should be made where every server has own chief. That way the inactive people don't drag the whole thing down along with them.
You're right!
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Indeed. I don't see the need of a commissioner in a group like ARFD, every department having his own chief is good enough to keep an active structure as they will only focus on their assigned state and global issues regarding the force can always be solved with private meetings.
In this case, a reform of the SAFD is required. Check the active staff willing to continue with their duties and remove those that have lost the interest. Afterthat, recruitments should be opened and experienced players should be hired/invited to the FD as long as they possess the qualities to perfom a good firemen roleplay.
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The ARFD or EMS commissioners should be removed... I heard one of the two fired everyone active and working in EMS for god knows what reason yet I've never seen either of them on RS5. EMS was starting to become active until that happen.
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Perfect Idea Bro I'm with you dude .
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The ARFD or EMS commissioners should be removed... I heard one of the two fired everyone active and working in EMS for god knows what reason yet I've never seen either of them on RS5. EMS was starting to become active until that happen.
That's what happens when a person that doesn't even visit the server still has full control over it. HQ should make sure that people that don't even come to the server have no lead over such group like SAFD.
The chief should be an active and dedicated person, and if goes inactive for too long should be replaced again.
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The last time HQ intervened in SAFD, those "leading" it, I mean holding the high ranks told us that they were planning on getting things going. Clearly that's not the case as those in the top positions don't even play on the servers.
Would be nice to see those two groups up and running as they should again, and with people in charge that are motivated to run the group, not just hold a position.
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The last time HQ intervened in SAFD, those "leading" it, I mean holding the high ranks told us that they were planning on getting things going. Clearly that's not the case as those in the top positions don't even play on the servers.
Would be nice to see those two groups up and running as they should again, and with people in charge that are motivated to run the group, not just hold a position.
It was running perfectly fine and people were joining until some so called commissioner fired everyone working to get the group up and running and now the two sit there with the "commissioner" rank in /groupmembers ems
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Typical.
I guess it's time for the HQ to take actions on their own.
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On the list; SFDS, SAFD and EMS to slap around it seems and get motivated people into the right positions.
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Great, been waiting like 3 weeks on my account approval....
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Argonath has always hosted an event about 9/11, nothing to be offended about, it's our way to show respect. I, as the mayoral candidate, would like to see SAFD and EMS getting back up, I will be supporting this in any way I can.
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Indeed. I don't see the need of a commissioner in a group like ARFD, every department having his own chief is good enough to keep an active structure as they will only focus on their assigned state and global issues regarding the force can always be solved with private meetings.
In this case, a reform of the SAFD is required. Check the active staff willing to continue with their duties and remove those that have lost the interest. Afterthat, recruitments should be opened and experienced players should be hired/invited to the FD as long as they possess the qualities to perfom a good firemen roleplay.
I agree with this and with what Matthew has said.
I know as I was EMS Captain of SAEMS I was trying to implement several things - most of them included new policies and procedures and better inter-agency cooperation. But during my development, Steven and I were removed (terminated) from ARFD/EMS due to another famous "restructure" of ARFD/EMS - yet again.
Would love to help in this, but I'm pretty sure I will be turned away by the current "commissioner".
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It was nice to have EMS, would be better to have it back. The inactive commisioner , who never shows up or just once in years (applies to every server) should be removed and someone else active should take over and promote those active instead of removing them.
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It was nice to have EMS, would be better to have it back. The inactive commisioner , who never shows up or just once in years (applies to every server) should be removed and someone else active should take over and promote those active instead of removing them.
it's not only Commissioner! Talking about SAFD, all High command is INACTIVE, and several times recruitments finish always in the same end "DENIED" or "You should be more active iG" Really? A Commander who's always inactive, deny a man for being inactive!! LOL you can't even see him IG if you're always inactive!!! :war: :war: :war: .
Although, like many of you said, commissioner role is useless if you're inactivem cause it takes very much time. (sorry for my english)
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Once upon time we had a scripter in Argonath which focus alot on SAFD and put all his time on SAFD and the scripter name is [Rstar]Louis which every 2 week changed the fire mission so it got different places and improve it with alot of new stuff. Samething with EMS.
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it's not only Commissioner! Talking about SAFD, all High command is INACTIVE, and several times recruitments finish always in the same end "DENIED" or "You should be more active iG" Really? A Commander who's always inactive, deny a man for being inactive!! LOL you can't even see him IG if you're always inactive!!! :war: :war: :war: .
Although, like many of you said, commissioner role is useless if you're inactivem cause it takes very much time. (sorry for my english)
Those who applied had been slated for rejection LONG before I actually did it, I only couldn't since I had PC problems up until two days ago, along with life that comes along. It's finally fixed and I don't have any problems with it now. Up until my PC problems began, I was active and I've also had multiple people checking these things for me, such as Jeff and Justin. Excuse me for not being able to do everything at once.
Indeed. I don't see the need of a commissioner in a group like ARFD, every department having his own chief is good enough to keep an active structure as they will only focus on their assigned state and global issues regarding the force can always be solved with private meetings.
In this case, a reform of the SAFD is required. Check the active staff willing to continue with their duties and remove those that have lost the interest. Afterthat, recruitments should be opened and experienced players should be hired/invited to the FD as long as they possess the qualities to perfom a good firemen roleplay.
I've been trying to reform SAFD since I got Battalion Chief in June. There's nothing I can do other than watch people go away from the group due to the Commissioner and us not being able to do as we wish with our own structure. I've had a plan for it in mind, yet I can't do anything with my own division.
The last time HQ intervened in SAFD, those "leading" it, I mean holding the high ranks told us that they were planning on getting things going. Clearly that's not the case as those in the top positions don't even play on the servers.
Would be nice to see those two groups up and running as they should again, and with people in charge that are motivated to run the group, not just hold a position.
The old command has left and we were put into FD as the newer command, yet as above, limited in what we could do. I'm not entirely sure what the excuse for my Captain is, but like I said I've been having issues with IRL and my PC. Not much I can do on that end.
I agree with this and with what Matthew has said.
I know as I was EMS Captain of SAEMS I was trying to implement several things - most of them included new policies and procedures and better inter-agency cooperation. But during my development, Steven and I were removed (terminated) from ARFD/EMS due to another famous "restructure" of ARFD/EMS - yet again.
Would love to help in this, but I'm pretty sure I will be turned away by the current "commissioner".
Phil and I had plans for to make SAFD more active and restructured, you were part of that plan. It didn't go anywhere since he went inactive, sadly. You weren't fired from ARFD/SAFD since you weren't in it, EMS isn't part of ARFD or SAFD and I have no control over it. Not sure why you were fired.
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Once upon time we had a scripter in Argonath which focus alot on SAFD and put all his time on SAFD and the scripter name is [Rstar]Louis which every 2 week changed the fire mission so it got different places and improve it with alot of new stuff. Samething with EMS.
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I think that we will need people like him!!!
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Not really, what is really required in most departments isn't just activity in game. There is something called paperwork which is down in forum, this isn't easy at all, as you think.. You have to find a way to improve the department, instead of moaning and laughing about your commanders.
several times recruitments finish always in the same end "DENIED" or " You should be more active iG" Really? A Commander who's always inactive, deny a man for being inactive!! LOL you can't even see him IG if you're always inactive!!! :war: :war: :war: .
If someone isn't suitable for the job, why would you accept him?
The SAFD management, or the ARFD in general have more ways than being in game to see someone's activity, and attitude.
Although, like many of you said, commissioner role is useless if you're inactivem cause it takes very much time. (sorry for my english)
Commissioner isn't present to be active in your game. The commissioner's job is to do paperwork and supervise the other departments and keep everything on track, It is not really useless, as you said. in my opinion, it is playing the big role in the whole ARFD. Without them, you wouldn't be a member of SAFD nor anyone else. The commissioner shouldn't be active everyday, because the commissioner got many departments to supervisor, not just the San Andreas one. However, they should be active sometimes.
We should look for ways from now on to improve the San Andreas Fire Department instead of talking about it commanders. Maybe they got troubles in life and can't join game? Maybe they got other stuff to care about? Maybe they are active and under-cover? You cannot know.. You should not just judge about what you see, they are doing their best to keep the department on track. It is just about players, there are not many players who are very addicted to the Fire career or the Medic one, like you.
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Those who applied had been slated for rejection LONG before I actually did it, I only couldn't since I had PC problems up until two days ago, along with life that comes along. It's finally fixed and I don't have any problems with it now. Up until my PC problems began, I was active and I've also had multiple people checking these things for me, such as Jeff and Justin. Excuse me for not being able to do everything at once.
I've been trying to reform SAFD since I got Battalion Chief in June. There's nothing I can do other than watch people go away from the group due to the Commissioner and us not being able to do as we wish with our own structure. I've had a plan for it in mind, yet I can't do anything with my own division.
The old command has left and we were put into FD as the newer command, yet as above, limited in what we could do. I'm not entirely sure what the excuse for my Captain is, but like I said I've been having issues with IRL and my PC. Not much I can do on that end.
Phil and I had plans for to make SAFD more active and restructured, you were part of that plan. It didn't go anywhere since he went inactive, sadly. You weren't fired from ARFD/SAFD since you weren't in it, EMS isn't part of ARFD or SAFD and I have no control over it. Not sure why you were fired.
Nothing personal Allison, I only noticed that SAFD looks abandoned, and if you read well i said that some commanders had IRL problems, although, this can't justify that nobody wanna join SAFD and that like always i'm the only SAFD member online IG. i'm talking about the past too, when i was the "high Ranked" only being a Cadet. we're SAFD, we rapresent an official group, i'm only saying that.. if someone that's high ranked lost interest about SAFD and managing it, just let other take your role, we need ACTIVE people, i know IRL problems COMES FIRST it's obvius, but if you only log IG once every two weeks well.. that's different, and i'm not talking only about you, but about whole SAFD high command.
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I agree, we need the FD and the EMS, without them who will rescue people, who will heal people, who will prevent disasters. Yet with Argonath's current popularity and population is low, so we first need to increase Argonath's popularity and population, then worry about this. OR we should worry about this and try to solve this and then try to increase Argonath's popularity and population, idk.
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Not really, what is really required in most departments isn't just activity in game. There is something called paperwork which is down in forum, this isn't easy at all, as you think.. You have to find a way to improve the department, instead of moaning and laughing about your commanders.
If someone isn't suitable for the job, why would you accept him?
The SAFD management, or the ARFD in general have more ways than being in game to see someone's activity, and attitude.
Commissioner isn't present to be active in your game. The commissioner's job is to do paperwork and supervise the other departments and keep everything on track, It is not really useless, as you said. in my opinion, it is playing the big role in the whole ARFD. Without them, you wouldn't be a member of SAFD nor anyone else. The commissioner shouldn't be active everyday, because the commissioner got many departments to supervisor, not just the San Andreas one. However, they should be active sometimes.
We should look for ways from now on to improve the San Andreas Fire Department instead of talking about it commanders. Maybe they got troubles in life and can't join game? Maybe they got other stuff to care about? Maybe they are active and under-cover? You cannot know.. You should not just judge about what you see, they are doing their best to keep the department on track. It is just about players, there are not many players who are very addicted to the Fire career or the Medic one, like you.
Man.. i'm not the only who's saying that eh.. although, you're FDLC and i'm talking about SAFD. I can't say anything to you, cause you're the only that's leading FDLC at the moment. I know that IRL problems comes first, but we have an "on leave" section for that.. you can write it there, it tooks 5 mins, like i did times ago :gand:
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Not really, what is really required in most departments isn't just activity in game. There is something called paperwork which is down in forum, this isn't easy at all, as you think.. You have to find a way to improve the department, instead of moaning and laughing about your commanders.
If someone isn't suitable for the job, why would you accept him?
The SAFD management, or the ARFD in general have more ways than being in game to see someone's activity, and attitude.
Commissioner isn't present to be active in your game. The commissioner's job is to do paperwork and supervise the other departments and keep everything on track, It is not really useless, as you said. in my opinion, it is playing the big role in the whole ARFD. Without them, you wouldn't be a member of SAFD nor anyone else. The commissioner shouldn't be active everyday, because the commissioner got many departments to supervisor, not just the San Andreas one. However, they should be active sometimes.
We should look for ways from now on to improve the San Andreas Fire Department instead of talking about it commanders. Maybe they got troubles in life and can't join game? Maybe they got other stuff to care about? Maybe they are active and under-cover? You cannot know.. You should not just judge about what you see, they are doing their best to keep the department on track. It is just about players, there are not many players who are very addicted to the Fire career or the Medic one, like you.
That's why instead of having 1 person with all the possible power, make one chief per server (SAMP, VCMP, IVMP..) who will focus on his own department.
Using "i have many forum work much paper" for not coming in-game and properly managing the ARFD shouldn't be accepted.
Also if one has no time to focus on the game, is busy with real life and simply cannot afford to spend time on managing something anymore, simply resign and let someone else take over, someone who has time, and wishes to dedicate to it.
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We all understand life comes before games, however if you are in a position where you are leading a group and need to take some time away from games;
At least ensure there is someone in your place that will take the reins whilst you are away so things can keep moving.
The same goes for stepping down from a position, at least ensure you put someone in your position in the said group you are leading and get them up to a reasonable understanding level to continue to lead the group when you are gone instead of dropping them in the deep end or just not putting someone up in the right place causing the group to hit a wall.
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That's why instead of having 1 person with all the possible power, make one chief per server (SAMP, VCMP, IVMP..) who will focus on his own department.
There is battalion chief for each division/server. However, some departments got this position without someone holding it. Because there aren't members in the department to hold it, or simply they are not suitable/good for the position "yet".
Using "i have many forum work much paper" for not coming in-game and properly managing the ARFD shouldn't be accepted.
Also if one has no time to focus on the game, is busy with real life and simply cannot afford to spend time on managing something anymore, simply resign and let someone else take over, someone who has time, and wishes to dedicate to it.
We all understand life comes before games, however if you are in a position where you are leading a group and need to take some time away from games;
At least ensure there is someone in your place that will take the reins whilst you are away so things can keep moving.
The same goes for stepping down from a position, at least ensure you put someone in your position in the said group you are leading and get them up to a reasonable understanding level to continue to lead the group when you are gone instead of dropping them in the deep end or just not putting someone up in the right place causing the group to hit a wall.
Indeed, there should be someone who hold the department after your leaving, or simply resign if you think you cannot do what you are supposed to do.
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We all understand life comes before games, however if you are in a position where you are leading a group and need to take some time away from games;
At least ensure there is someone in your place that will take the reins whilst you are away so things can keep moving.
The same goes for stepping down from a position, at least ensure you put someone in your position in the said group you are leading and get them up to a reasonable understanding level to continue to lead the group when you are gone instead of dropping them in the deep end or just not putting someone up in the right place causing the group to hit a wall.
Correct, so can we fix this? If not, what needs to be done to accomplish this? @Devin
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Fresh, willing and motivated people that have the energy to revive those portions to start with.
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Fresh, willing and motivated people that have the energy to revive those portions to start with.
Great. So where do I (or anyone else)sign up? @Devin
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1. It is not inactive. Allison_Watters is active. My SA:MP is not working properly. Several people are aware of this. If you have a concern, why didn't you bring it up on the forums there instead of ranting here?
2. All positions in ARFD must be earned. I'm not just handing it over to anyone. I have people asking me this all of the time, many of which are new players that don't even bother applying in the first place because they wish to rank-hunt. I tell everyone every single time: Apply and earn it.
3. Clearly no one has any idea how the rank structure works. The Commissioner oversees all servers overall. Each server already has a Battalion Chief responsible for that specific server. The suggestions being brought up here are already how it works.
4. EMS is a completely separate group from ARFD, and it is private. The users who were recently fired were fired for completely valid reasons, from which they decided to flame me and that group's Commissioner repeatedly over Skype. (I still have logs if anyone in server leadership wishes to know the truth on this).
5. Emmett: Your account has been active since the day it was registered. You have never logged in.
Please check the following: http://arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2045
6. The 9/11 event is a great idea, and I've pushed for it every year. Every time I suggest it, no one has really tried to help out with it since the first time it happened. I would love to do it again, but it cannot be done on my own.
7. Leroy, your and Phil's firings were detailed in your application topics. They are valid.
8. Markk, the Commissioner was just in-game the other day.
9. Camels, all of the people applying are being denied for legitimate reasons. Many of them go in-game once or twice a month, and then leave Argo altogether. Also, Younes is in SA:MP SAFD also.
10. Leroy, you may apply back to EMS if you wish and try to earn your rank back, however your termination, (as well as those from others), are valid. Going around a private group's decisions by complaining to server leaders is not going to get your position returned to you.
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3. Clearly no one has any idea how the rank structure works. The Commissioner oversees all servers overall. Each server already has a Battalion Chief responsible for that specific server. The suggestions being brought up here are already how it works.
This structure is lacking functionality based on the progress of the Fire Department since Zaila tried to get some life back into it but people refused to budge from their positions whilst doing nothing. We have yet to see those in the lead positions step up and show some initiative which is why players are now questioning the status of the group.
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This structure is lacking functionality based on the progress of the Fire Department since Zaila tried to get some life back into it but people refused to budge from their positions whilst doing nothing. We have yet to see those in the lead positions step up and show some initiative which is why players are now questioning the status of the group.
Exactly.
SugarD, I'm not going to say my thoughts any more on my specific matter to EMS/ARFD, because i think it's just ridiculous to talk in circles - but things do need to change, and the way things are now, isn't working. I'm glad I'm not the only one to have seen this - Thank you @Devin
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This structure is lacking functionality based on the progress of the Fire Department since Zaila tried to get some life back into it but people refused to budge from their positions whilst doing nothing. We have yet to see those in the lead positions step up and show some initiative which is why players are now questioning the status of the group.
And yet the assigned SA:MP SAFD group leadership are the only ones who have been seen in-game lately. Meanwhile, even Gandalf himself agreed that someone else mentioned here was not aiding the situation by trying to overthrow the group when both sides complained to him.
I would also like to point out that most of the people here complaining have either been fired from one of the previously-mentioned groups, have notified absolutely no leadership of perceived issues, and/or have not once joined either group to help out with the situation. If no one is willing to help, what do you expect leadership to do? We can't lead those who don't want to follow...
SugarD, I'm not going to say my thoughts any more on my specific matter to EMS/ARFD, because i think it's just ridiculous to talk in circles - but things do need to change, and the way things are now, isn't working. I'm glad I'm not the only one to have seen this - Thank you @Devin
As I said before, you are free to reapply.
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although, you're FDLC and i'm talking about SAFD. I can't say anything to you, cause you're the only that's leading FDLC at the moment.
First, this is a open discussion, anyone inside or outside the department can give his opinion. Though, I understand what you mean, but you don't really know what is happening. It is right that you see lack of activity in game, but you should not blame the command staff for it only.
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I would also like to point out that most of the people here complaining have either been fired from one of the previously-mentioned groups, have notified absolutely no leadership of perceived issues, and/or have not once joined either group to help out with the situation.
Only one person - Leroy, the rest are community members concerned about a group which has never been active since the beginning of RS5 with leadership who never come in-game but sit on forums flashing authority. I've never seen you in-game on RS5 ever, maybe once when it started. Don't tell me all this time you've been trying to fix SA:MP.
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Only one person - Leroy, the rest are community members concerned about a group which has never been active since the beginning of RS5 with leadership who never come in-game but sit on forums flashing authority. I've never seen you in-game on RS5 ever, maybe once when it started. Don't tell me all this time you've been trying to fix SA:MP.
I was in the beta, and introduced all of the current, active members in the group to the scripts that Conroy had made in the public release. You cannot say you haven't seen me when you've roleplayed with me...
If these community members are concerned about these groups, why aren't they joining them to help out?
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Also if EMS is separate, why do you have a say in internal affairs of EMS? Why do you hold a commissioner rank within EMS?
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Also if EMS is separate, why do you have a say in internal affairs of EMS? Why do you hold a commissioner rank within EMS?
I own the group. I am not the Commissioner of it. The Commissioner is Makala_Sparxx. It has absolutely nothing to do with ARFD, which has been explained hundreds of times.
Also, I don't hold the Commissioner rank in it. I have no idea where you are getting this information from.
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You are listed as commissioner in /groupmembers EMS.
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You are listed as commissioner in /groupmembers EMS.
I did not recreate the group after it had last bugged. I don't know why I am set as that.
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I own the group. I am not the Commissioner of it. The Commissioner is Makala_Sparxx. It has absolutely nothing to do with ARFD, which has been explained hundreds of times.
Also, I don't hold the Commissioner rank in it. I have no idea where you are getting this information from.
Makala is exactly one of those people in a high ranked position with a horrific activity. Steven made EMS more attractive and it was fairly active. I rather see Steven returning to the ranks as he was a motivated member who did a lot for the group.
And about SAFD... I've been in it for about 2 months but have yet to be even approached for the first academy stage. They promised me that they were working on it back then, However I have yet to see any progress being made. Being entirely honest, Besides =AVt=Massi there isn't anyone who is organising things. Plus I haven't seen you around a lot either besides to occasional forum visit.
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Makala is exactly one of those people in a high ranked position with a horrific activity. Steven made EMS more attractive and it was fairly active. I rather see Steven returning to the ranks as he was a motivated member who did a lot for the group.
And about SAFD... I've been in it for about 2 months but have yet to be even approached for the first academy stage. They promised me that they were working on it back then, However I have yet to see any progress being made. Being entirely honest, Besides =AVt=Massi there isn't anyone who is organising things.
Steven was given a chance to improve things while Makala was away dealing with RL problems, and for awhile he was doing a good job. That being said, his removal was not invalid, and it is not something that needs to be discussed here.
Edit: Disregard the previous part I removed. It seems your account was somehow missed on the member's list. I'll have Allison contact you.
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I would also like to point out that most of the people here complaining have either been fired from one of the previously-mentioned groups, have notified absolutely no leadership of perceived issues, and/or have not once joined either group to help out with the situation. If no one is willing to help, what do you expect leadership to do? We can't lead those who don't want to follow...
Are you kidding me? Steven and I have outlined issues plenty of times and all we were given was some crap answers and never were given any real results.
We tried to help, but with certain in their positions, it only made it more difficult. Anyway, change needs to occur, and if that involves server leadership than so be it.
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Are you kidding me? Steven and I have outlined issues plenty of times and all we were given was some crap answers and never were given any real results.
We tried to help, but with certain in their positions, it only made it more difficult. Anyway, change needs to occur, and if that involves server leadership than so be it.
Don't worry it's how things go around here..
Today we had a MVA and we call FD for a wounded person, when he arrived he was more interested on the man's vehicle then on the wounded person..
FD Needs to be improved ASAP.
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Don't worry it's how things go around here..
Today we had a MVA and we call FD for a wounded person, when he arrived he was more interested on the man's vehicle then on the wounded person..
FD Needs to be improved ASAP.
Not everyone you see on fire duty is in SAFD. We have no control over those who aren't in SAFD.
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My suggestion to improve SAFD is by highering the reward for doing a big mission by yourself, considering the playercount had decreased a lot.
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Are you kidding me? Steven and I have outlined issues plenty of times and all we were given was some crap answers and never were given any real results.
We tried to help, but with certain in their positions, it only made it more difficult. Anyway, change needs to occur, and if that involves server leadership than so be it.
Flaming people behind their backs is not outlining issues. Just because I'm not in the game all the time doesn't mean I don't know what is going on.
As I told you before, the only way you will ever get your position back in EMS is by applying and earning it. Server leadership has no authority over private groups, contrary to what you may assume.
My suggestion to improve SAFD is by highering the reward for doing a big mission by yourself, considering the playercount had decreased a lot.
Unfortunately that would lead to the same greed issues we had with players before when Fire Missions were the easiest way to get a lot of money quickly.
Don't worry it's how things go around here..
Today we had a MVA and we call FD for a wounded person, when he arrived he was more interested on the man's vehicle then on the wounded person..
FD Needs to be improved ASAP.
If you see someone being negligent in their duties during an emergency, make sure to report it on ARFD Forums with some evidence, or to any Command Staff member in-game as it happens. Our abilities to handle non-SAFD personnel are very limited, but there are some things we can do.
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Flaming people behind their backs is not outlining issues. Just because I'm not in the game all the time doesn't mean I don't know what is going on.
As I told you before, the only way you will ever get your position back in EMS is by applying and earning it. Server leadership has no authority over private groups, contrary to what you
1) Flaming people has nothing to do with the issues Steven and I have outlined. Not sure what you're talking about there.
2) Steven and I are never going to apply back with the current people in leadership, and i highly recommend others don't apply too - no one deserves to be treated the way steven and i were.
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I thought this topic was made for suggestions to improve SAFD.
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I thought this topic was made for suggestions to improve SAFD.
Ideed!
But from what I've heard the main problem comes from the leadership.. And that is whats being talked about here.
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Unfortunately that would lead to the same greed issues we had with players before when Fire Missions were the easiest way to get a lot of money quickly.
I don't know about greed but why not? At least this way people will be attracted to being a fireman. I'm sure the majority would RP along with ARFD members.
Better than nothing, imo.
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I don't know about greed but why not? At least this way people will be attracted to being a fireman. I'm sure the majority would RP along with ARFD members.
Better than nothing, imo.
Ye instead of 0 Firemans.
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I don't know about greed but why not? At least this way people will be attracted to being a fireman. I'm sure the majority would RP along with ARFD members.
Better than nothing, imo.
Because greed doesn't make roleplay. Before trucking was added, people heavily abused the Fire Missions without roleplaying to get quick cash in large amounts. That is why the developers lowered the rewards repeatedly.
Ye instead of 0 Firemans.
I would love to know where you get this information from.
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Because greed doesn't make roleplay. Before trucking was added, people heavily abused the Fire Missions without roleplaying to get quick cash in large amounts. That is why the developers lowered the rewards repeatedly.
I would love to know where you get this information from.
I and many others that were not part of the SAFD used to RP after missions, so that people wouldn't sit there AFK. I recall Pingster even organizing the firemen so we could all grt a fair amount of reward. Okay, people are greedy, but at least they RP (once in a while). And yeah, on this occassions, sometimes greed made roleplays, because "we" wouldn't accept those who were in the job only for the money and exluded them from their rewards.
I'd suppose he takes the information from In-Game. You should check it sometimes. While you were arguing about your incapability of performing your duties as a leader?, you could've found time to fix SA:MP ( max it takes is an re-install ) and go In-Game.
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I'd suppose he takes the information from In-Game. You should check it sometimes. While you were arguing about your incapability of performing your duties as a leader?, you could've found time to fix SA:MP ( max it takes is an re-install ) and go In-Game.
1. If you read above, you would have noticed that I clearly stated several times that Allison_Watters was the Battalion Chief in the server, who is responsible for leading it.
2. Several of the users have been seen in-game. Again, I don't know where this accusation is coming from.
3. My problem with SA:MP is a known Windows 10 bug with no known official fix. Reinstalling doesn't fix everything, contrary to what everyone assumes.
4. This topic is not an excuse to **** on people.
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As I told you before, the only way you will ever get your position back in EMS is by applying and earning it. Server leadership has no authority over private groups, contrary to what you may assume.
Server leadership does have that authority when they deem necessary, I am not sure where you are getting your information from. Server leadership have the rights to intervene in any group inside their server. (Example: Gvardia, Stunt Kings)
As for the people constantly moaning about people having to earn their ranks back. I've seen those people do more in the FD, or medic job than most of the 'high command' people, that are barely online and when they're online do nothing with the said group. I am not trying to cause a flame war here, but think about what your group could offer to the server, and not what it could do with you in the head position.
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What if we merge EMS with SAFD?
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What if we merge EMS with SAFD?
They are two separate groups on purpose, and again, have nothing to do with each other at all. Private groups have no relation to government groups.
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They are two separate groups on purpose, and again, have nothing to do with each other at all. Private groups have no relation to government groups.
Then make a division within SAFD that has medics.... ofc with trained people and shit... not random people spamming "HEAL!!!!! PLEASE HEAL I BEG FOR MONI!!!!!"
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Then make a division within SAFD that has medics.... ofc with trained people and shit... not random people spamming "HEAL!!!!! PLEASE HEAL I BEG FOR MONI!!!!!"
There is one...
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There is one...
Where is it? In which server cause in SA:MP I never saw one single medic related to SAFD
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Where is it? In which server cause in SA:MP I never saw one single medic related to SAFD
There is no visual difference between regular and FD medics in-game.
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3. My problem with SA:MP is a known Windows 10 bug with no known official fix. Reinstalling doesn't fix everything, contrary to what everyone assumes.
My SAMP works perfectly on Windows 10.
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There is no visual difference between regular and FD medics in-game.
Exactly, there should be medic skins related with SAFD instead of having hating between SAFD and EMS, cooperate instead of "We are government group and they are private" ... So what they are private they do the job.... And i'm pretty sure that if someone with the correct experience of being a doctor can start training people who willing to RP a medic and they can cooperate together with SAFD and LSPD .... that's why /e is in the server....
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I would love to know where you get this information from.
By being ingame maybe?
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It wouldn't be very smart if Managers had no authority over groups, especially the official ones such as SAPD, SAFD, FBI, CIA, MGI and so on.
In case something like this happens, where the whole group is not functional, they should flip it around and ensure it works good and has adequate people to manage it.
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It wouldn't be very smart if Managers had no authority over groups, especially the official ones such as SAPD, SAFD, FBI, CIA, MGI and so on.
In case something like this happens, where the whole group is not functional, they should flip it around and ensure it works good and has adequate people to manage it.
EMS is not an official group.
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EMS is not an official group.
It doesn't need to be for Managers/Server Leadership to intervene - Gvardia and Stunt Kings aren't, as Brian had said as an example.
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EMS is not an official group.
Great answer 10/10 such argument, please.
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EMS is not an official group.
Are you really gonna respond everything other people say with "EMS is not an official group"? =_='
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Are you really gonna respond everything other people say with "EMS is not an official group"? =_='
Thats what happens when someone is running out of BS to say :D
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Well.. thanks to that post, finally 2 commanders logged In game on late night (that make me think something that i will not say here) (GMT+1) otherwise, i'm not attacking anyone, they're my mates even if they can't be IG often etc.. i still recognise them as my "bosses" if we can call them with that name, however we're losing time arguing here, maybe SugarD has lost interest about SAMP, it's something normal eh, we grow up, so maybe we can find interest in other things etc.. you know what i mean, otherwise we REALLY need to do something about SAFD, it's obvius, just check IG players by SAMP client that due to my Commanders UTC, IRL problems, lack of interest and so on they can't be online, But.. we need fresh people, young people call them like you want, or maybe correct word is ACTIVE PEOPLE WITH INTEREST. Talking about Commissioner position, it is specified that Commissioner only do a sort of "Desk" job, and that's okey.. but that doesn't mean that your last IG log was like 4 months ago ( i was there with you SugarD, when you were on cop duty,when we had Freecop) i can understand that you have technical issues with your PC and maybe problems related IRL, but like someone said, Temporary assign someone to your position, same words are redirected to our SAFD Battallion Chief and our Captain.
Hope to don't get tightened by nobody
Hope to don't get fired ( :lol: )
Sincerely
=AV=Massi
Proud SAFD Fire Engineer
P.s. why people got promoted directly to Lieutenant etc? while i'm about 3 months that i'm Fire Engineer?
P.P.s I don't wanna argue with nobody, i only letting the people know that we're SAFD and not a newbies group
P.p.s Let's change that SAFD, don't do it for me, do it for future players.
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I'm willing to help you, Fire Engineer Massi and along with every other firefighter. I'm an In-Real-Life Firefighter and EMT and serve as a Fire Officer, so I can understand where a lot of you are coming from. It's quite obvious you don't have to be a firefighter to see the issues that are going on with SAFD, but something seriously does need to change. We (the community) keep asking for a change, and all we get from SAFD Leadership (SugarD) is to apply and help with the change. Well how can that work when you have a fire engineer here complaining that nothing is being done - this is a guy on the inside telling us that their Commissioner, Commanders, and other staff are having issues dealing with this. It's quite obvious something needs to be done.
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http://www.arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=2008.0
Check here for more
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I'm willing to help you, Fire Engineer Massi and along with every other firefighter. I'm an In-Real-Life Firefighter and EMT and serve as a Fire Officer, so I can understand where a lot of you are coming from. It's quite obvious you don't have to be a firefighter to see the issues that are going on with SAFD, but something seriously does need to change. We (the community) keep asking for a change, and all we get from SAFD Leadership (SugarD) is to apply and help with the change. Well how can that work when you have a fire engineer here complaining that nothing is being done - this is a guy on the inside telling us that their Commissioner, Commanders, and other staff are having issues dealing with this. It's quite obvious something needs to be done.
I really appreciate your words.. even if this is a game, we have to but the basis for a dynamic server.
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http://www.arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=2008.0
Check here for more
Only those in SAFD can see it, but it does outline an outdated system I've been trying to change for years.
Where is it? In which server cause in SA:MP I never saw one single medic related to SAFD
I've been a medic my entire time in SAFD. I don't go on FD duty because I'm primarily a medic, yet I still go in-game to do my job.
Well.. thanks to that post, finally 2 commanders logged In game on late night (that make me think something that i will not say here) (GMT+1) otherwise, i'm not attacking anyone, they're my mates even if they can't be IG often etc.. i still recognise them as my "bosses" if we can call them with that name, however we're losing time arguing here, maybe SugarD has lost interest about SAMP, it's something normal eh, we grow up, so maybe we can find interest in other things etc.. you know what i mean, otherwise we REALLY need to do something about SAFD, it's obvius, just check IG players by SAMP client that due to my Commanders UTC, IRL problems, lack of interest and so on they can't be online, But.. we need fresh people, young people call them like you want, or maybe correct word is ACTIVE PEOPLE WITH INTEREST. Talking about Commissioner position, it is specified that Commissioner only do a sort of "Desk" job, and that's okey.. but that doesn't mean that your last IG log was like 4 months ago ( i was there with you SugarD, when you were on cop duty,when we had Freecop) i can understand that you have technical issues with your PC and maybe problems related IRL, but like someone said, Temporary assign someone to your position, same words are redirected to our SAFD Battallion Chief and our Captain.
Hope to don't get tightened by nobody
Hope to don't get fired ( :lol: )
P.s. why people got promoted directly to Lieutenant etc? while i'm about 3 months that i'm Fire Engineer?
Your post wasn't what brought us in-game. We had been in-game on and off the past few weeks, just at night time since we live in the US. Most of that time no one was online, since the server is pretty well low on players at the moment as well, not just FD. There was no one we could temporarily assign due to the fact we only have 3 other non-command members, one of them being you (which remember, we gave you authorization for in-game command rights, just not the physical rank), so technically you had authority in-game.
You won't get fired for stating your opinion, that isn't how I work. You're entitled to your opinion, be it facts or not.
As for the promotion, no one was every directly promoted to Lieutenant. Jeff had to work his way up for it, and was at one point pending demotion from command. However his attitude picked up to a professional level and then with the new system I put in place (yes, I actually put one in place for those who are wondering. Check the members list on the SAFD application board), you'll see how it works with ranks. I already explained how the promotion to command works.
I'm willing to help you, Fire Engineer Massi and along with every other firefighter. I'm an In-Real-Life Firefighter and EMT and serve as a Fire Officer, so I can understand where a lot of you are coming from. It's quite obvious you don't have to be a firefighter to see the issues that are going on with SAFD, but something seriously does need to change. We (the community) keep asking for a change, and all we get from SAFD Leadership (SugarD) is to apply and help with the change. Well how can that work when you have a fire engineer here complaining that nothing is being done - this is a guy on the inside telling us that their Commissioner, Commanders, and other staff are having issues dealing with this. It's quite obvious something needs to be done.
Did you not see what I previously said? You and Phil were to be brought into SAFD and given control of the Medical division due to your work in EMS, with rights to work in the fire-rescue division. This idea is still something I'm up for, regardless of what SugarD says about it at this point.
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Did you not see what I previously said? You and Phil were to be brought into SAFD and given control of the Medical division due to your work in EMS, with rights to work in the fire-rescue division. This idea is still something I'm up for, regardless of what SugarD says about it at this point.
If that worked out, that would be fine.
SugarD seems to be the only one not wanting to do this and he is the commissioner, so...
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If that worked out, that would be fine.
SugarD seems to be the only one not wanting to do this and he is the commissioner, so...
We can make it work. SAFD is my department, and right now I'm not going to wait for his approval.
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Only those in SAFD can see it, but it does outline an outdated system I've been trying to change for years.
I've been a medic my entire time in SAFD. I don't go on FD duty because I'm primarily a medic, yet I still go in-game to do my job.
Your post wasn't what brought us in-game. We had been in-game on and off the past few weeks, just at night time since we live in the US. Most of that time no one was online, since the server is pretty well low on players at the moment as well, not just FD. There was no one we could temporarily assign due to the fact we only have 3 other non-command members, one of them being you (which remember, we gave you authorization for in-game command rights, just not the physical rank), so technically you had authority in-game.
You won't get fired for stating your opinion, that isn't how I work. You're entitled to your opinion, be it facts or not.
As for the promotion, no one was every directly promoted to Lieutenant. Jeff had to work his way up for it, and was at one point pending demotion from command. However his attitude picked up to a professional level and then with the new system I put in place (yes, I actually put one in place for those who are wondering. Check the members list on the SAFD application board), you'll see how it works with ranks. I already explained how the promotion to command works.
Did you not see what I previously said? You and Phil were to be brought into SAFD and given control of the Medical division due to your work in EMS, with rights to work in the fire-rescue division. This idea is still something I'm up for, regardless of what SugarD says about it at this point.
Rights for use a premier and a brush truck? Well, i really appreciate that, although i see how ranks work, i realize very well how they works and i will not explain here why i'm saying that, otherwise, you say that due to your UTC you,SugarD and Retwy will not be available, so it's okey, find someone External or internat to temporary assign to your role, that can organize events, that can post /AD about recruiting! like I DO, we need to show up people that we're not a useless group,we're important like many other official one, like SAPD,FBI,SWAT,MGI,CIA and so ON, However, if we're roleplaying an American Fire Department, why dow e have a private EMS? Shall it be merged with SAFD? just got alking to EMS chiefs, Argonath Scripters and we will have a merged SAFD-EMS (Like majority of USA fire departments). I only see few people online, few firefighters, an abandoned ARFD site (luckily i posted some reports on Multimedia section) And much abandoned Firestations, i knwo that we don't have "manpower" But if we go all together to host an event (i can pay for it if necessary) about SAFD, about recruiting etc.. we "might" have the right manpower, it's true that we must Focus on getting player, but (with all respect toward newbies) we need experienced users that can RP well.
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However, if we're roleplaying an American Fire Department, why dow e have a private EMS? Shall it be merged with SAFD?
The fire department in which i belong to is volunteer, and thus it is private. EMS and FD are separate divisions (due to finances), but we each cooperate as a team.
But, I don't see why it wouldn't be merged. But EMS and FD should be different and follow within their own rankings.
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Rights for use a premier and a brush truck? Well, i really appreciate that
No, your physical group rights had nothing to do with the command rights we gave you. Had nothing to do with vehicle rights.
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I absolutely love how people keep putting words into my mouth that were never said. Leroy, correct me if I am wrong, but did I not say repeatedly that you could reapply to EMS? I never once said anything about you and SAFD. I would love to know where my "statement" about this comes from.
As for the explanation of ARFD's medical division and EMS both existing, I will explain this one more time: Both types of medical entities exist in real life, including in the United States. Some places even have both operating in the same areas. (GTA V even has both in its game, for example). Because some users prefer one style of medical roleplay over another, they both exist. Argo has always been a free place for imagination. For that reason, among many others, I would never merge them.
And for the people a page back, no, EMS is not an official group, and that was to answer those who assumed it was. There are two different, overlapping discussions happening here.
...an abandoned ARFD site (luckily i posted some reports on Multimedia section)...
The website/forum is not abandoned. There are several sections you cannot see. It has also been quiet in the public SA:MP division boards lately because the server's situation has produced a lack of applicants.
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Since when is argonath Reality > partical use.
If you see that both groups barely have any members, isn't it a smart idea to merge them. Make fire-(para)medics and make sure units can do what they like, but get trained in both sections, that way they can do extended, and fun role-plays, while also learning stuff. Remember no one is forced to do something if they don't want to. SugarD and Allison are leading the group but I don't see them come with practicle solutions, you both say that you have lack of applicants and what not, but I still haven't seen you provide the people here, with the concerns with solutions for the said issues, or atleast ask for any solutions from our side. I keep seeing you guys defend yourselves, but if you see most of the people come with the same issue, doesn't a bell start ringing, there's something wrong and it needs to get fixed. Instead of constantly defending yourselves from things that happened in the past, start thinking about things that can solve the issue, other than just expand the issue.
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Since when is argonath Reality > partical use.
If you see that both groups barely have any members, isn't it a smart idea to merge them. Make fire-(para)medics and make sure units can do what they like, but get trained in both sections, that way they can do extended, and fun role-plays, while also learning stuff. Remember no one is forced to do something if they don't want to. SugarD and Allison are leading the group but I don't see them come with practicle solutions, you both say that you have lack of applicants and what not, but I still haven't seen you provide the people here, with the concerns with solutions for the said issues, or atleast ask for any solutions from our side. I keep seeing you guys defend yourselves, but if you see most of the people come with the same issue, doesn't a bell start ringing, there's something wrong and it needs to get fixed. Instead of constantly defending yourselves from things that happened in the past, start thinking about things that can solve the issue, other than just expand the issue.
I have provided everyone here with a very simple solution. Apply and help out. I really don't see how anyone can expect the issues with a lack of members and activity to be fixed if the people we have go inactive and no one else shows up to replace them. I'm also seeing complaints about inactive commanding members needing to have someone below them act in their positions during their absences...but how is that supposed to happen if no one bothers to join so we can fill those spaces and make it happen in the first place? Since day 1 of its creation, SAFD, (and ARFD as a whole), has received nothing but attacks, trolling, and has been ignored by a majority of the community. Aside from some of the servers' developers and a few dedicated to Fire Duty in general, most of the people in Argo have either **** on the group, or just didn't want to acknowledge it. I have tried for years to resolve this, only to be repeatedly attacked, have my reports be ignored by admins in-game, (which Gandalf even had to step in and handle directly), and have other users straight-up say "no one gives a **** about the FD" to my face on a regular basis. If people here really want to help, they should go on duty, apply, and/or interact with firefighters more...and I don't mean for the money in Fire Missions. I mean for the roleplay. The real problem here is people's attitudes. They only want to complain and not take action. Most of the people replying in this topic I have never even see on Fire Duty before outside of doing Fire Missions for money. A few of them are even among those who have attacked the group in the past. What does that really say about the problems we have? The mentality has not changed. The only time we were "popular" was when people realized Fire Missions were quick cash...and produced even more for SAFD members. I can tell you right now that when trucking came out, we lost a lot of people...both Volunteer Firefighters, and SAFD members.
Also, no. EMS and ARFD have different purposes. I care about users' freedom to choose the roleplay they want. I will never merge a group simply because of player count. The whole idea is for people to enjoy quality roleplays they are interested in...not get a mass quantity of users to make a group look big. This is not a business...it is a gaming community founded on the ideals of everyone having a great time. I don't understand why EMS even keeps being brought into this topic when it has nothing to do with the original post, nor ARFD itself.
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What happened with this? I see no improvement.
On the list; SFDS, SAFD and EMS to slap around it seems and get motivated people into the right positions.
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What happened with this? I see no improvement.
What are you not seeing improvement in?
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What happened with this? I see no improvement.
Life happens, time is cut short. Perhaps it's time for those in the groups to take responsibility for what they're running before HQ have to intervene. Last chance anyway.
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Life happens, time is cut short. Perhaps it's time for those in the groups to take responsibility for what they're running before HQ have to intervene. Last chance anyway.
I'm still waiting for an answer...
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An answer to?
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I fully agree with the others that the situation that is going within the SAFD right now is horrable, one of the solutions has been pointed by Devin, maybe it is really the time for HQ to reconsider the Leadership of this group and take actions to fix the situation, appointing out a new leadership, a new team to lead the Departament and all over the SAFD, now the think's that i am noticing all over this topic, is the Members of the SAFD that state there point and actually spit the facts as they are, however in the other side is the management of the SAFD, that are running into the defend position and no one actually takes responsibility while the Departament is falling apart, the other solution has to be made by the leadership, fully re-form of the Departament's, setting up something fresh, and attracting players.
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I am still seeing complaining, but no actual answers about what the issues are that you guys are talking about...
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Alright:
- There is no active SAFD personnel except for Massi, the only person roleplaying and in SAFD.
- There is no active SAFD command personnel either.
- There is no active EMS personnel.
- There is no active EMS command personnel either.
- Whenever we require FD or EMS, we either send someone from SAPD/FBI on duty to finish with the situation or just skip it.
Main issue: activity
Second issue: lack of personnel
Third issue: lack of roleplay
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I am still seeing complaining, but no actual answers about what the issues are that you guys are talking about...
And I still see no question of yours you wanted answered;
I'm still waiting for an answer...
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Alright:
- There is no active SAFD personnel except for Massi, the only person roleplaying and in SAFD.
- There is no active SAFD command personnel either.
- There is no active EMS personnel.
- There is no active EMS command personnel either.
- Whenever we require FD or EMS, we either send someone from SAPD/FBI on duty to finish with the situation or just skip it.
Main issue: activity
Second issue: lack of personnel
Third issue: lack of roleplay
Simple solution - Put someone in charge that is active, motivated and can actually play GTA.
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EMS again has nothing to do with SAFD, and it is a private group.
As for SAFD, I am talking to the server's Battalion Chief right now to find out what is going on with the issues Matthew mentioned.
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EMS again has nothing to do with SAFD, and it is a private group.
As for SAFD, I am talking to the server's Battalion Chief right now to find out what is going on with the issues Matthew mentioned.
Then why is there 'medic duty' if people can't be trained and there isn't a proper group they can role-play with.
Even if it's a private group, you're leading it so why not use it properly?
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EMS again has nothing to do with SAFD, and it is a private group.
Why does it care so much if it's a private group or state group dude, why you keep saying the same shit over and over again?
As for SAFD, I am talking to the server's Battalion Chief right now to find out what is going on with the issues Matthew mentioned.
And what are you going to do for SAFD now that you're talking with the Battalion Chief?
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Then why is there 'medic duty' if people can't be trained and there isn't a proper group they can role-play with.
Even if it's a private group, you're leading it so why not use it properly?
1. Medic duty has absolutely nothing to do with a private group named "EMS". That is like saying that an ARPD Officer running their own highway patrol group makes them official state police.
2. I am not leading it. I own it, but Makala_Sparxx is its Commissioner.
3. I am not going to get into this argument again. EMS has absolutely nothing at all to do with ARFD.
Why does it care so much if it's a private group or state group dude, why you keep saying the same shit over and over again?
Because private groups have nothing to do with what is being argued. They can go active or inactive at any time they want. It isn't an official government group.
And what are you going to do for SAFD now that you're talking with the Battalion Chief?
I am trying to find out what is going on, as I said before. This is the first that I'm hearing of continued issues since no one is passing this information along to me.
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I am trying to find out what is going on, as I said before. This is the first that I'm hearing of continued issues since no one is passing this information along to me.
Get in game and you will understand the issue.
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Get in game and you will understand the issue.
Not everyone can be in-game at every moment of the day. If these issues are so "huge", why were they not mentioned on ARFD Forums to begin with?
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If you own EMS why you don't bring the so called Commissioner to handle the complaints, you assigned her after all.
Then the EMS group shouldn't even exists, according to the group requirements needs at least 5 active members in the server, something that EMS haven't had for months.
Are you going to keep saying the same thing over and over? Okay, you don't lead EMS but you say you own it, how are you so unable to do something about a group You Own? What are you then? A decoration?
If you can't really play at all why are you still holding the responsibility for things that apparently you can't do?
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I am trying to find out what is going on, as I said before. This is the first that I'm hearing of continued issues since no one is passing this information along to me.
There is no group representative.
The current 'official' group is useless, as it does nothing that a non-official staff member doesn't.
No one is interested as there's nothing to be done, all ideas get thrown in the bin.
There's no activity.
The command doesn't care about the group.
The command is never in-game.
Does that clear it up?
PS; The EMS commisioner hasn't been seen on the forums since March, and the group has 2 members, where the minimum is 5.
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There is no group representative.
The current 'official' group is useless, as it does nothing that a non-official staff member doesn't.
No one is interested as there's nothing to be done, all ideas get thrown in the bin.
There's no activity.
The command doesn't care about the group.
The command is never in-game.
Does that clear it up?
PS; The EMS commisioner hasn't been seen on the forums since March, and the group has 2 members, where the minimum is 5.
1. The Battalion Chief, Company Chiefs, and Captains are all representatives, just as the Commissioner is. Currently there is a Commissioner, Battalion Chief, and 1 Captain among the ranks. I don't see where you get that from.
2. Which is something I've been trying to overcome for years, yet every single time ideas have been turned down by those developing for or leading the server, or were never implemented when agreed upon.
3. There is a huge ideas topic on ARFD Forums for ANYONE registered on the forum to contribute to (http://arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=32.0). I don't see what you are referring to here.
4. That is among the issues that clearly needs resolving. Thank you for the response.
5. I care about the group. I don't know what is going on with the remaining Command Staff, but I am trying to find out now. Thank you again.
6. Same answer as above regarding the other Command Staff.
As for the EMS thing, it doesn't belong in this topic, but I will look into that shortly. Thank you for letting me know.
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Are argonath citizens and businessmen's allowed to open groups which in function and priority have the same function of "SAFD" but work in parallel and independent from those institutions? Except the permission from Supreme Court and technical insurance for workers; are we allowed to start similar projects?
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Are argonath citizens and businessmen's allowed to open groups which in function and priority have the same function of "SAFD" but work in parallel and independent from those institutions? Except the permission from Supreme Court and technical insurance for workers; are we allowed to start similar projects?
Edit: You can create unofficial groups if you wish. We have always supported them as long as they don't conflict with the official ones. Some have even gained official status under SAFD before.
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I am still seeing complaining, but no actual answers about what the issues are that you guys are talking about...
In 6 pages you didn't realize how SAFD is seen as an inactive group in roleplay and that the Command absence just lowers the mood of its members? When they throw the truth in face you just try to argue that black is white.
Generally speaking ARFD is not involving players into roleplay , except for the the only one i've seen trying to, Massi , and he is "only" a firefighter, command is just sitting doing nothing.
It's time to use all the power in your possession.
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I still don't know why small groups with minimum activity need a seperate forum.. it's nonsense, same as 10.000 ranks for 5 active members.
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1. The Battalion Chief, Company Chiefs, and Captains are all representatives, just as the Commissioner is. Currently there is a Commissioner, Battalion Chief, and 1 Captain among the ranks. I don't see where you get that from.
2. Which is something I've been trying to overcome for years, yet every single time ideas have been turned down by those developing for or leading the server, or were never implemented when agreed upon.
3. There is a huge ideas topic on ARFD Forums for ANYONE registered on the forum to contribute to (http://arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=32.0). I don't see what you are referring to here.
4. That is among the issues that clearly needs resolving. Thank you for the response.
5. I care about the group. I don't know what is going on with the remaining Command Staff, but I am trying to find out now. Thank you again.
6. Same answer as above regarding the other Command Staff.
As for the EMS thing, it doesn't belong in this topic, but I will look into that shortly. Thank you for letting me know.
1. And where can we find them, when are they going to assist the actual ARFD staff that want to role-play but are new and are unaware of how instead of just showing around with their rank.
2. I do agree that in the past ideas were just ignored. But if you would've paid attention you would've seen that the current developer team actually listens to the players and is assisting official factions (again one of the command activity issues).
3. 2014, really? And all I see there is 'more vehicles', no role-play ideas.
5. If you would've actually cared you WOULD know what is going on, it currently just looks like you are around for the rank.
6. Remember you also fall under that, and yes I am aware your GTA doesnt work on W10
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Edit: You can create unofficial groups if you wish. We have always supported them as long as they don't conflict with the official ones. Some have even gained official status under SAFD before.
This would be the best solution.
Everyone who feel that things need to change and government doesn't act to improve to current situation; create your own battalion and structure to light up this important part of roleplay and 1/5 of scripted jobs that our server contains.
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In 6 pages...
I asked regarding the recent complaints. This topic was revived after a period of inactivity during which I thought the issues had been resolved.
I still don't know why small groups with minimum activity need a seperate forum.. it's nonsense, same as 10.000 ranks for 5 active members.
1. Again, EMS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC.
2. Private groups can do however they please. Argo specifically allows that by design as long as they don't break the rules. It has always been that way.
1. And where can we find them, when are they going to assist the actual ARFD staff that want to role-play but are new and are unaware of how instead of just showing around with their rank.
2. I do agree that in the past ideas were just ignored. But if you would've paid attention you would've seen that the current developer team actually listens to the players and is assisting official factions (again one of the command activity issues).
3. 2014, really? And all I see there is 'more vehicles', no role-play ideas.
5. If you would've actually cared you WOULD know what is going on, it currently just looks like you are around for the rank.
6. Remember you also fall under that, and yes I am aware your GTA doesnt work on W10
1. I am the Commissioner. You have found me already. The Battalion Chief is Allison_Watters. The Captain is Jeff_Retwy. You can find them here (http://www.arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3.0). I am trying to find out what caused this mess to arise as we speak.
2. I am aware of what they are doing. Contrary to popular belief, I have been in contact with some of them, as has Allison_Watters. Allison has even had several things fixed that were previously granted to us, and later accidentally changed. My point was meant as an overall answer to your question, not as something specific to this very moment in time. My apologies for not clarifying this before.
3. 2014 is the last time someone publicly posted an idea in there. As I said before, anyone is welcome to. I cannot help that others have not come forward with anything new yet, nor do I have control over what gets implemented. I tell people all the time to post their ideas there.
4. I do care. As I said previously, I have to oversee all of the servers as a whole. If a server's leadership isn't reporting issues to me, and no one is coming forward about the issues, I have no way of knowing about them if I am away or busy with focusing on another server. That is why I am surprised that no one has bothered to post about these issues on ARFD Forums. People have had no issue with posting about PD issues on ARPD Forums, so why not post about FD issues on ARFD Forums?
5. I am aware, and I agree with you. It is something I am trying to resolve, but that is also why I'm relying so heavily on the server's leadership to do their jobs properly. I created this group with Rory years ago for people's enjoyment. The last thing I want is for all that work to blow up in my face. That is why I need to know what is going on so I can try to get things resolved.
Again, I encourage anyone who has ideas to post in that topic mentioned before. Anyone and everyone registered on the forum has the ability to post there if they wish. Although I discourage repeating ideas already listed to avoid spam, if you have an alternate version of an idea, feel free to post away. Just remember that it is meant for scripted and/or roleplayed ideas. Things related to structure, recruitment, training, and the like should be put into a new topic.
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1. Again, EMS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC.
2. Private groups can do however they please. Argo specifically allows that by design as long as they don't break the rules. It has always been that way.
I am talking about ARFD.
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I am talking about ARFD.
It is an official government group, as appointed by the President.
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It is an official government group, as appointed by the President.
Who tells you to make a external forum? for those 5 active members, That does not work.
It's exciting to make it, then work in it a few months, then it dies out..
Still you are trying to take control, over something i did not see you doing for a long time, so maybe, make it smaller, easier to use, use a forum topic?
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Who tells you to make a external forum? for those 5 active members, That does not work.
It's exciting to make it, then work in it a few months, then it dies out..
Still you are trying to take control, over something i did not see you doing for a long time, so maybe, make it smaller, easier to use, use a forum topic?
ARFD has existed since 2009. At one point it had over 30 members in SA:MP alone. The President is the one who granted that forum for its exact purpose.
I am not trying to take control over anything. I founded the group with Rory years ago. Gandalf is the one who granted the power I have. I owned the group when it was still private, long before it became an official government group.
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ARFD has existed since 2009. At one point it had over 30 members in SA:MP alone. The President is the one who granted that forum for its exact purpose.
In 2009, correct, Though it doesnt work anymore does it? You have 30 members in total on a evening at SA:MP, I would like to see you step of your high horse
and start actually doing something, i have only see you commenting here and moaning, instead i see 0% change on that external forum 0% change in your
behaviour and 0% change of ARFD doing anything positive, roleplay or whatever.
Start doing something, don't rely on others or ideas. Make a forum topic, on forums and actively recruit players there, and go find a solution to fix your GTA SA on W10 issue.
I am not trying to take control over anything. I founded the group with Rory years ago. Gandalf is the one who granted the power I have. I owned the group when it was still private, long before it became an official government group.
Sop saying how you were in control with whoever, You are barely now, but you aren't doing anything, work on it, make yourself proud at actually leading this group.
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1. I am the Commissioner. You have found me already. The Battalion Chief is Allison_Watters. The Captain is Jeff_Retwy. You can find them here (http://www.arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3.0). I am trying to find out what caused this mess to arise as we speak.
What I ment is, where can we find them in-game. I saw Allison once, and she was a civilian. I don't know who Jeff Retwy is, I saw him on the forums a few times though. Why is it that people just sit there with ranks. If you want to do desk work I suggest you to find a job in-real life that'd let you to, we need you people in-game.
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Hold on, what power are you speaking about? Thanks to Massi we see one dark red name color in game.
@Traser this is their topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=112537.0)
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@Traser this is their topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=112537.0)
You can see how active it is, it's not. that's my point.
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Hold on, what power are you speaking about? Thanks to Massi we see one dark red name color in game.
@Traser this is their topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=112537.0)
Too bad Allison resigned.
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You can see how active it is, it's not. that's my point.
I think one private independent group should take over everything competing the current "official" group (which will be very easy to) and make the HQ decide for their status. They didn't had concurrence all this time so no one is even worried for their actual situation. Credits to the founders for the stories and contribution etc etc etc but now as it is, wont go forward somewhere.
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I think one private independent group should take over everything competingthe current "official" group (which will be very easy to) and make the HQ decide for their status. They didn't had concurrence all this time so no one is even worried for their actual situation. Credits to the founders for the stories and contribution etc etc etc but now as it is, wont go forward somewhere.
One private group would need to indeed take over and put everyone in one group, ARFD, EMS etc and call it Rapid Response.
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In 2009, correct, Though it doesnt work anymore does it? You have 30 members in total on a evening at SA:MP, I would like to see you step of your high horse
and start actually doing something, i have only see you commenting here and moaning, instead i see 0% change on that external forum 0% change in your
behaviour and 0% change of ARFD doing anything positive, roleplay or whatever.
Start doing something, don't rely on others or ideas. Make a forum topic, on forums and actively recruit players there, and go find a solution to fix your GTA SA on W10 issue.
I didn't create this topic complaining about the problems with the group. Somebody else did. I am trying to discuss the situation so everyone is on the same level, and I can figure out what happened. This topic was revived to resolve the issues at hand, not create some attack on me. Please keep to the original discussion.
I am trying to do what I can from where I am at. A topic used to exist in the groups board, but was removed long ago by its own moderators after they decided that government groups didn't need them since servers were already advertising them in their City Hall boards. As for recruiting, we have an entire applications section on the forums. Every time I've seen new players on Fire Duty that have enjoyed it, I've encouraged them to put in an application. I cannot force people to go there and apply. The truth is that most people don't know how to roleplay the job beyond spraying some fire and calling it good, so they tend to try other jobs first. As someone also mentioned, it is difficult to get people to join when there isn't much that can be gained from joining aside from command structure, a text rank promotion, and training, (which many see as work more than fun, unfortunately). The Developers in SA:MP have tried giving a cash bonus in the past to those that have joined SAFD in order to resolve this, however it led to more rankhunting and abuse than anything else, which is one of the reasons why it was removed. As I said before, I am open to ideas people have. I've passed on quite a few myself, but most of them require severe script changes that the server cannot handle taking on at this moment in time, (and rightfully so I can't blame them).
As for the issue with my game and Windows 10, I've tried just about every solution out there, and I've discussed it countless times on SA:MP Forums. After months of trying, Windows 10 released an update that resolved my initial crash, however it only led to a new one. I thought I had it fixed for about a day, but then it returned again. It has pretty much come down to non-affiliated people on SA:MP Forums telling me to install an unsupported, unofficial add-on, that would massively modify my game, (and potentially lead to me being banned from the server), to possibly fix a crash, which I am not willing to do. That being said, I am testing insider builds of Windows 10 every time they are released, hoping that the crash will subside, however as of Build 10547, it is still present.
Hold on, what power are you speaking about? Thanks to Massi we see one dark red name color in game.
@Traser this is their topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=112537.0)
SAFD and ARFD Volunteer Firefighters don't have different icon/name colors, unless something recently changed that I am not aware of. It has always been dark red for anyone on Fire Duty, even in RS4.1, which was a decision by Gandalf.
I think one private independent group should take over everything competing the current "official" group (which will be very easy to) and make the HQ decide for their status. They didn't had concurrence all this time so no one is even worried for their actual situation. Credits to the founders for the stories and contribution etc etc etc but now as it is, wont go forward somewhere.
How would that solve anything? That is like asking someone who wants to be in charge to just steal a group away, which would massively promote rankhunting. From what I'm seeing here, the issue is people's activity, not people themselves.
Too bad Allison resigned.
That is among the things I am discussing with him. I was holding off on bringing it up in here, but since you brought it up, I'm trying to figure out a replacement for him now.
One private group would need to indeed take over and put everyone in one group, ARFD, EMS etc and call it Rapid Response.
No. Again, EMS has nothing to do with ARFD. It is a private group that has no affiliation with ARFD at all. You cannot just force a private group to merge into an official group of a different career. That makes no sense, and it would be violating Argo's Vision. No one has control over private groups except private groups themselves, (unless they begin breaking server rules, at which point a server's leadership can exact punishment).
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With minimum activity, how long would ARFD still be official?, think about this.
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With minimum activity, how long would ARFD still be official?, think about this.
That is something you should ask Gandalf. He is the one who set it as a government group.
As for anyone interested, applications are still open (http://arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=11.0). I would highly suggest anyone wanting to join to do so now. We are in dire need of members, and those who want to join are welcome to.
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McCane is also looking for member. ;)
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How would that solve anything? That is like asking someone who wants to be in charge to just steal a group away, which would massively promote rankhunting. From what I'm seeing here, the issue is people's activity, not people themselves.
I'm kinda regretting stepping into this discussion as you're pointing me (or us) as someone who's doing propaganda for your job, I'm sorry but no one is attempting to steal your rank and your contributions and credits for your own groups.
You said very well, you started your own businesses until President valorized your work and dedications making your groups official. So if I decide right now making my own business makes me "stealer", lol.
Edit and addition:
It's obvious that no one spoke for ability of owners of ARFD all we pointed here was the "activity", as leader of different factions, i assume that without motivating players no one will ever follow your steps; without organizing anything, and the last without being present, everything that you "lead" will be faded and vanished. You can run that topic, and you can write walls of posts but IN Game no one will even attempt to roleplay that duty. So I can come in this conclusion: The impossibility to join in game is counted as inability to run one group.
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Guys, i'm pleasured to say that i'm the new Fire Captain of SAFD, and me, along with SugarD will set new parameters and a lot of "cooL" stuff that will bring SAFD to a new ERA of Rp and activity, IG and on forum aswell.. if you wanna help us about that, just feel free to post an application! together we can change the world!
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SugarD please, there's nothing wrong in not being able to continue whatever you were doing in 2009, it's been 6 years anyway, people change. You'll always be credited for what you did. Now please let someone who can do something lead. Thanks.
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SugarD please, there's nothing wrong in not being able to continue whatever you were doing in 2009, it's been 6 years anyway, people change. You'll always be credited for what you did. Now please let someone who can do something lead. Thanks.
You clearly have not read anything that was posted in here today.
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You clearly have not read anything that was posted in here today.
Very nice observation. What about the situation in game? I'm interested in seeing your thoughts about it.
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Very nice observation. What about the situation in game? I'm interested in seeing your thoughts about it.
A person was promoted to a Command Staff position, and announced it one post before you said anything...
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Guys, don't worry about anything, we are going to change that group, we will rise again like we done in past years.. But give us the time to "resurrect". Me and SugarD are planning for something that can "attract" more people to our awesome job! By the way, if you have what it takes.. Join us! And help us with that revolution!
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Hopefully you'll bring SAFD back from the dead, Massi.
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Im very happy for you Massi, I believe that you will boost up everything, you have my support just keep it up.
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A person was promoted to a Command Staff position, and announced it one post before you said anything...
Cool now you have 3 people in SAFD staff. :app:
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Cool now you have 3 people in SAFD staff. :app:
I see you haven't put in an application yet. I look forward to seeing it!
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If SAFD still exists here, we all should be grateful to SugarD. I believe there is nobody else who could handle this duty better than him.
McCane is also looking for member. ;)
:lol:
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I see you haven't put in an application yet. I look forward to seeing it!
Currently busy with SAPD, will think about it later ;)
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Hello there guys, just a little update about SAFD, all is gone well, we've just recruited 2 firefighter and a really skilled EMT (he has IRL ALS/BLS training), we will be at Mission hill event and so on.. things are going very well but.. i'm still waiting for a functional IG SAFD group, in order to put all official and active member there so we can organize all better, stillw aiting for a Scripter IG.
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i'm still waiting for a functional IG SAFD group, in order to put all official and active member there so we can organize all better, stillw aiting for a Scripter IG.
bumping for this. we'd really appreciate it if someone could help out on this. @Teddy
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As I told Camels already, it will be dealt with when the time is right.
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As I told Camels already, it will be dealt with when the time is right.
Aight