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GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP General => Topic started by: kewlguy13x on September 19, 2015, 10:30:39 pm

Title: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: kewlguy13x on September 19, 2015, 10:30:39 pm
Hello fellow argonathians and IV:MP players. As you may know IV:MP is falling apart these days, as there aren't many players playing as there used to be. Let me also start this by making the point saying this is my opinion in why it needs to improve. Some of you may agree and some may disagree about some of these points.

Player Activity.

Player activity is not what it used to be. Many old players that were active a few months ago and years ago don't even exist here anymore. I do realize that this has to do with their life problems, getting banned, ect. But, in my opinion this isn't the main reason.

Rulebreakers.

There are lots of rulebreakers on IV:MP now. This has to do with new players not being helped by players who know the server and how it is played. I have to say, I am guilty of this as well, as I have not had any intention of helping them, but I try my best. I am hoping to improve myself and others in helping the new players.

Administration.

While the Administration is very good on IV:MP, I think it has much to improve. To my experience, most of the rulebreakers don't understand NOT to do something because a administrator and or moderator is not on to help them understand how the server is played. What I think should happen is replace current inactive administration with new ones that are willing to help, instead of adding more and them becoming inactive. In the past, this was never a issue but, these days its even rare to get a moderator on the server to watch over and keep everything in check.

Scripts and Server Reliability.

The scripts on IV:MP are very well done by our developer, Armelin. But it seems now-a-days there is always an issue with the server / script that breaks the server and causes a administrator+ to come on and restart the server, which wastes their time and players time. What I think need to happen is recruit some more scripters and or developers to keep the server in correct order to prevent these kind of things from happening.

Some of you may agree about these things, and some of you may disagree. If you have anything to add or would like to talk about what you agree and or disagree about, leave a reply below.

Thanks for reading,

[Apt]kewlguy13x.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: superh2o on September 19, 2015, 10:54:06 pm
Lets face it, GTA IV is kinda worst MP then any other GTA MP, plus the client isnt any better.

After almost 2 years now, i done pretty much all i can in IVMP, my old friends are inactive with some exeptions, all family members are fighting there own battles in life and cant find much time for games, but are on Skype pretty much daily, i my self atm cant spare more then 1h daily for IVMP, Time waits for none.

While i had far less obligations and work i used to play a lot, now well at 21 life hits you hard, work, college and investments in future (language classes. seminars) take all the free time i have.

Thats just how it is, IVMP is getting old so are the veteran players, hope you guys who are still free to play games will make most of your gaming and motivate some new players to stick around.
Pretty much its all up to active players atm, will or wont IVMP grow.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yaz000n on September 19, 2015, 11:19:11 pm
Player activity, I tried all i can to get my friends back on , NisanZ, Stefanos, Ramis, George, Ninda, Alot more. First common thing i heard was Server is boring, no much players on , if each single player said that , no one would ever go online , other than that , Real Life is the problem , alot of my Lucchese Veteran friends ,  other players, Real Life problems , cant find free time to play.and The AD-Team is trying its best to get new players.

Rule breakers, Everytime i see one , i try my best to explain to him , to let him stay on the server.

administration, I agree with you, we need new Admins to replace inactive ones, The chaos of new players in the server with no admins online is just unbelievable, special thanks to Brian Gale and Nicole , MAne Lucchese.


Scripts , i cant say anything on armelin, Great guy, But i dont think we need more scripters , but why not ? if its better, sure.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Killanic on September 20, 2015, 08:16:24 am
From what I've seen, most of the players who used to be active left the server because of various other reasons. Also, ever heard of the idiom "Too much of a good thing"? If you have too much of a good thing, something pleasant becomes unpleasant because you have too much of it. Just like how IV:MP is the food you're so sick/tired of eating everyday. Unfortunately, most humans will never be satisfied with one thing and won't stick with it for long as it is in our nature to easily move on. Also, it is inevitable that the server will always have rule breakers. For now, I don't really see them as a primary concern for IV:MP's disintegration although we have always tried to help them out as much as we can. As for the administration and scripts reliability.. it is easier said than done. Dedication is hard to find for those sort of duties. And the reason for the server issues nowadays is because there are way too many scripts for it to handle. Another thing which is inevitable is individual inactivity. Just like every other player, admins will also lose interest in helping the players someday; some earlier than others as each person has their own lives to mind.


Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Hernandez on September 20, 2015, 09:31:43 am
I Agree with the Adminastration Point as well
Almost the Adminastration members are inactive as i have seen ,It's not logical :(
Also Busy IRL And such things.... Dosen't make a sense, You got the right to serve the server then Do !
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: superh2o on September 20, 2015, 09:42:56 am
I Agree with the Adminastration Point as well
Almost the Adminastration members are inactive as i have seen ,It's not logical :(
Also Busy IRL And such things.... Dosen't make a sense, You got the right to serve the server then Do !
Its not a right, its a duty.
Also we do that when we can, anyone saying we don't is a lier.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Mark on September 20, 2015, 09:45:36 am
Main issue for me is school, i've got to focus on it much more this year. I can still play up to two hours per day but to be honest i find it boring when the only thing that happens is a bunch of players provoking each other on the main chat for every stupid reason. In terms fo RP, i tried different things without success, it always been like that. Take an infernus/comet/sultan rs and start speeding all over the map, if you're that lucky someone will pull you over and then you can evade. I have seen regulars who have no idea of how to roleplay and when i tried to approach them they said "Sorry im not good, i can't rp". Well that's so wrong, we used to have some groups roleplaying, where are they gone now? One is banned because of the leader, of course back to that time someone thought that also the members of it were a trouble and decided to shut it down. Another group, APT is gone after Victor's departure, they have been roleplaying alot and welcoming lot of newbies, they did a good job imho.  What are we doing now? We're showing newcomers that speeding infront of the cops and not even trying to roleplay with them is a good thing.
Some players went inactive also due this, there is no roleplay scene, most of those who claim they're still roleplaying are doing something else. I've heard many stories, it always been like this, there always been someone ruining every scene (a recent example few days ago when i got approached by undercover cops and a guy straight carkilled us). We need serious people to teach the newcomers, it's not all about speeding around the map trying to get police attention and then evading and once captured trying to rape F instead of roleplaying as injured or captured. You don't always win, this is a roleplay server or we forgot it? I remember our approach , as group, we were roleplaying with everyone but lot of times we were facing this big issue that is main concept of what is a roleplay and what is a "reason to kill you the fastest way possible".
We have some groups today but tbh i find them weird. A group of bikers does not go around in a comet or patriot, they try to stick as much possible on bikes, don't they? We used to use only gangster vehicles in SFC, we sure had fast vehicles but we were "obliged" to use the cars that suit our roleplay at most! Try to do something different, stop the continuos speeding and reckless driving and the shootouts with lame reasons, we have had enough. We have many players joining even though ivmp client is almost dead, let's show them the correct way to play. See ya soon
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: SuchAnAngel on September 21, 2015, 12:27:30 pm
Agree For me  :cop:
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: SuchAnAngel on September 21, 2015, 12:31:42 pm
Well .. Very Agree in the (Administration Stuffs ) , I saw sometimes there .. that they cant explain the rules to new players ..( DOnt know how to Speak English ) , They just Kicked it .. !  :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: James Conway on September 21, 2015, 12:36:39 pm
Well .. Very Agree in the (Administration Stuffs ) , I saw sometimes there .. that they cant explain the rules to new players ..( DOnt know how to Speak English ) , They just Kicked it .. !  :mad: :mad:
Communicating with non-English persons is very hard. They break a rule, they get frozen and talked to. But because they don't understand why they are frozen and what the admin says, they often start flaming (which apparently they can in English) and then they get kicked. So that is a difficult matter if you cant understand each other. Do you know another way how that would need to be handled?
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Danny Soulson on September 21, 2015, 02:03:44 pm
Ok, So just to remind everyone

Administrators are not paid for their work its their will to help and we should all be gratefull for their work, Its quite rare seeing them offline tbh.

Ok So IV:MP all it needs is RP Its so boring lately i didn't see a Roleplay for 3+ Months so far.  :(
And Yes im inactive , Cause noone is Roleplaying.

Everyone is Either

Farming Weed 24/7
Farming Money 24/7
RP = 0
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yaz000n on September 21, 2015, 02:54:42 pm
@SuchAnAngel , If you cant explain to the non-english rule breaker, How do you expect the Administration Staff to do it? do you think they have super communication skills? They know their mother language and the 2nd Language which is Probably English, So As Argonath Uses english as its well known language, Admins cant do anything about it, they are not forced to learn languages or something , they try their best , The admins we have are Perfect for their Duty ( even  while not pair too). We need RP, We dont need to only come up to New comers saying what things are, we need to show them how too. We Need Real RPs
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yasyo on September 21, 2015, 03:13:31 pm
i totally agree Mr.Kewl .


Communicating with non-English persons is very hard. They break a rule, they get frozen and talked to. But because they don't understand why they are frozen and what the admin says, they often start flaming (which apparently they can in English) and then they get kicked. So that is a difficult matter if you cant understand each other. Do you know another way how that would need to be handled?

then Mr.James , if you see language as important thing? why recuiting A-team members is not based on `` how many languages you speak `` then?

Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Neal on September 21, 2015, 03:57:10 pm
i totally agree Mr.Kewl .


then Mr.James , if you see language as important thing? why recuiting A-team members is not based on `` how many languages you speak `` then?

No, Its not like that, Argonath has A communication language that it choose that is english, The A-Team Staff should not know many langauges as the server itself uses english.All the admins we have are the right people for their duties.So The problem is not from the admins.And English is a well known language world wide, in addition, Argonath cant Recruit a whole new Admins just because one out of each ten players does not know english Well. and that happens Really Rare.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: James Conway on September 21, 2015, 04:00:20 pm
i totally agree Mr.Kewl .


then Mr.James , if you see language as important thing? why recuiting A-team members is not based on `` how many languages you speak `` then?

You expect us to accept admins based on their langauge?
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yasyo on September 21, 2015, 06:20:35 pm
You expect us to accept admins based on their langauge?

well History is important but belive me history doesnt always reflect the inside of the person .... and language is very important as logn as beign A-team member have Communication with rule breakers as priority.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Brian on September 21, 2015, 06:26:32 pm
i totally agree Mr.Kewl .


then Mr.James , if you see language as important thing? why recuiting A-team members is not based on `` how many languages you speak `` then?



Because it is an international server with English as base language. If a player does not speak English and breaks the rules, then that is their fault, not the administrators. If we just hire staff because they speak other languages. How will you ever get people to role-play together if there's about 7 different languages being spoken on the server?
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yaz000n on September 21, 2015, 07:18:48 pm
Because it is an international server with English as base language. If a player does not speak English and breaks the rules, then that is their fault, not the administrators. If we just hire staff because they speak other languages. How will you ever get people to role-play together if there's about 7 different languages being spoken on the server?

That is Right ^^^ !!
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: BojanS on September 21, 2015, 07:38:06 pm
Perception of Argonath and fun is the key.
I am sure the biggest problem is client, however.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: James Conway on September 21, 2015, 08:08:36 pm
Perception of Argonath and fun is the key.
I am sure the biggest problem is client, however.

I agree the client is buggy, and crashes avg 2 times an hour. But it hasn't stopped us since 2010.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yasyo on September 21, 2015, 09:20:42 pm
Because it is an international server with English as base language. If a player does not speak English and breaks the rules, then that is their fault, not the administrators. If we just hire staff because they speak other languages. How will you ever get people to role-play together if there's about 7 different languages being spoken on the server?

you didnt got my point , i said speaking other languages + english language , so english langauge is priority , but if the applicant talk many other languages then he should be in top list.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yaz000n on September 21, 2015, 09:43:00 pm
you didnt got my point , i said speaking other languages + english language , so english langauge is priority , but if the applicant talk many other languages then he should be in top list.

I dont agree at all.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Toreto on September 21, 2015, 10:17:37 pm
As i see the only problem here is ( players activity ) but people have their own opinion to choose which game to play if they have time ;)

any other thing is normal.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Younes on September 21, 2015, 10:53:10 pm
you didnt got my point , i said speaking other languages + english language , so english langauge is priority , but if the applicant talk many other languages then he should be in top list.

Yeah, I think I got your point. However, administrators are to be chose because of many standards, probably what you are saying is one of them. However, just because someone speaks all the languages in the world, he shouldn't be in the top list. There are more important stuff that the administrators should have than spoken languages. At least every player in the server speaks two different langauges, which is very good. If administrators doesn't understand someone's langauge, they can simply request someone who does through the main chat to help them to communicate with the player who they are dealing with. The players and the administrators are like a team.

The fact is, everyone got a problem or something to handle in real life or simply as some said previously, they lost interest in IV:MP.

In my opinion, we should make our server more comfortable and enjoyable for the players, by offering some services/functions in the server which should be monthely updated. But the problem is, we don't have enough scripters in the IV:MP team to handle those stuff. Armelin is doing his best, but he needs more than one partner to work with to make the work easier. I don't know who can be the proper person for the job, but I hope that we find someone soon.

About the scripts, I think that we should start making the server more realistic and start offering some roleplay services in game. It is not actually just from the scripts, our players should drop that laziness in game and start roleplaying instead of money farming or cruising around with their vehicle. This is a roleplay server, the basic roleplay commands are already found in the server, we do not really need some scripts, those scripts are just to help the players. The problem is with the players, they should roleplay whenever they are in game and stop refusing to roleplay. Roleplay is what makes the server updated, the imagination of the human is unlimited, If we just try to roleplay 80% of our time in-game, the server will become much better than now. And we would start roleplaying whenever we are in game because we start upgrading our skills when we practice.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: SuchAnAngel on September 22, 2015, 08:11:52 am
Communicating with non-English persons is very hard. They break a rule, they get frozen and talked to. But because they don't understand why they are frozen and what the admin says, they often start flaming (which apparently they can in English) and then they get kicked. So that is a difficult matter if you cant understand each other. Do you know another way how that would need to be handled?
Use Translator I think ..  :cop: :cop: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yasyo on September 22, 2015, 04:01:25 pm
Yeah, I think I got your point. However, administrators are to be chose because of many standards, probably what you are saying is one of them. However, just because someone speaks all the languages in the world, he shouldn't be in the top list. There are more important stuff that the administrators should have than spoken languages. At least every player in the server speaks two different langauges, which is very good. If administrators doesn't understand someone's langauge, they can simply request someone who does through the main chat to help them to communicate with the player who they are dealing with. The players and the administrators are like a team.

The fact is, everyone got a problem or something to handle in real life or simply as some said previously, they lost interest in IV:MP.

In my opinion, we should make our server more comfortable and enjoyable for the players, by offering some services/functions in the server which should be monthely updated. But the problem is, we don't have enough scripters in the IV:MP team to handle those stuff. Armline is doing his best, but he needs more than one partner to work with to make the work easier. I don't know who can be the proper person for the job, but I hope that we find someone soon.

About the scripts, I think that we should start making the server more realistic and start offering some roleplay services in game. It is not actually just from the scripts, our players should drop that laziness in game and start roleplaying instead of money farming or cruising around with their vehicle. This is a roleplay server, the basic roleplay commands are already found in the server, we do not really need some scripts, those scripts are just to help the players. The problem is with the players, they should roleplay whenever they are in game and stop refusing to roleplay. Roleplay is what makes the server updated, the imagination of the human is unlimited, If we just try to roleplay 80% of our time in-game, the server will become much better than now. And we would start roleplaying whenever we are in game because we start upgrading our skills when we practice.

Youness, lets be honest  , cops nowdays dont RP , last time ( 2 days ago) i tried to RP with someone i already know he`s cop and i already know he will go on duty and suspect me , in spite of leting RP go longer and more fun , he went on duty and carjacked me and started shooting ( i dotn wanna say the name of this `` Ranked cop`` + i got a wittness ) , but it`s clear that he wanted $$$ more than Roleplaying , so i agree with you if everyone tried to roleplay it will help to make server better , but i just told you my last experience with a `` ranked cop`` so i want to roleplay he wants DM and money .... and thats why many criminals moved to SA:MP , and thats why when you press TAB you see all blue , im afraid if cops remain acting like they do it will turn to Argo Cops server , i dont say all cops dont RP but 80 percent of all ARPD dont RP , so the solution is to creat a rule that forces everyone to RP ( thats the last option i guess ) .
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Mark on September 22, 2015, 04:33:34 pm
I've not seen a single roleplay from criminals without them moaning because the cop did this and that. Thinking that everyone has a problem with you and that they will abuse you is a wrong thought, a typical one i'd say.
*In your case the cop had to carjack you (maybe you both were even close each other), maybe he rushed it but everyone makes mistakes, with such client i would not waste time trying to shoot your car because it won't work and my only way to stop your vehicle when you are still NOT moving is carjacking.

Visit this board sometimes http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=663.0
They are roleplaying more than ever (more than it used to be two years ago) and recently freecops are also more involved into such events. Stop thinking one side only, they (Who? I'm still here, many players are still here in IVMP) "moved" to SAMP for lack of roleplay in general, this ain't criminals vs cops roleplay server. Duty is a more interesting job for new comers (They have to be taught by regulars in order to enjoy their stay) and because EVERYONE has in mind that a little roleplay can justify a shootout (Most of them can be avoided), that you can get away because of the desync and the crashes of IVMP client.
I agree that some cops hurry too much on the trigger but that's because they're used to, mainly because you/we criminals do not roleplay back with them. Nothing will improve if we keep doing the same old thing:

>grab a fast car
>speed infront of cops
>become wanted
>if lucky, escape
>if not lucky, pull out your shotgun from somewhere and shoot back at them or fire first (I've seen this in many scenarios, for example the last videos i recorded)

Try to interact with other people, they don't want to? Report them, they're supposed to roleplay (also the so called "cop abusers"). You are not forced to kill someone, use another way if you wanna do that.
Where has our imagination gone? Hang out with your gang, head over a bar with interior and have fun or invite people for a party, tag a turf , roleplay a fireman mission or try to organize an event with roleplay involved , organize a car show and much more can be done by simply typing in the local chat. I feel like i said pretty much everything, feel free to tell me to fuck off now but don't moan when you will have nothing to do and you will feel bored, you could've done better.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yaz000n on September 22, 2015, 08:37:27 pm
Youness, lets be honest  , cops nowdays dont RP , last time ( 2 days ago) i tried to RP with someone i already know he`s cop and i already know he will go on duty and suspect me , in spite of leting RP go longer and more fun , he went on duty and carjacked me and started shooting ( i dotn wanna say the name of this `` Ranked cop`` + i got a wittness ) , but it`s clear that he wanted $$$ more than Roleplaying , so i agree with you if everyone tried to roleplay it will help to make server better , but i just told you my last experience with a `` ranked cop`` so i want to roleplay he wants DM and money .... and thats why many criminals moved to SA:MP , and thats why when you press TAB you see all blue , im afraid if cops remain acting like they do it will turn to Argo Cops server , i dont say all cops dont RP but 80 percent of all ARPD dont RP , so the solution is to creat a rule that forces everyone to RP ( thats the last option i guess ) .

Cops are not the problem, Neither Criminals. Cops Always RP and want to do it, But Street law breaking in front of a cop to Get yourself evading a traffic stop is not RP, Its cop baiting , lets be straight.
No need to start saying its ranked or not , its the not the point of this topic, its how to improve.I dont say that cops Always RP, But they wont refuse it, So the RP should not always end as you want, Both sides should agree on a certain scene, but i dont find that a big issue, because i think both sides should not care that much as its for having fun, not who will win. I once had a RP with sole back in the days, he let us jail him, he could have refused it, but he wants it as its more reliable, that point here is fun not Winning or losing. If Criminals Stopped Moaning for a second each time they Get shot down or Jailed , it would be better, Abusing F rapidly,, is one of the known thing between Criminals, not all, but some, You call that RP ? To make it RP, its the you are surrounded by cops and Guns are at you, To stay in RP rules , first thing is to raise your hands, you cant do anything else, if you are out numbered, what some do is, Pull out a  gun and start shooting , or keep Rapidly pressing F or Running for another car, What kind of RP is that, if one of the cops shoot you with his gun while running and you get hurt , Would you stop as you got hit ? i bet no. If its supposed to be RP you should stop as you got shot. I dont say its always gotta be like that , Be creative in the RPs, use imagination, figure out the RP Situation and scene, then act, to have fun.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Witchking on September 22, 2015, 08:52:37 pm
what is going to improve the server Are regulars players to be active, to show and teach new players what the server is all about, to play after the argonath rpg vision, Roleplay,freeroam,Duty,rules etc. and ofcourse admins should be active to Guard and watch over that the Rules Being Followed.
But yeah let's Face - it, everyone has  private Life and as admin you are Allowed to go inactive if The  real - life Calls and ofcourse is it reported to the Leaders / managers if that's the case.
And yeah the managers duty is to Check over the admins and help them and Guide them with whatever they need.

But to be accepted as admin because he/she speak alot of languages is not going to happen, Remember that Admins and moderators are carefully Choosen Individually with Different Skills and Personality to fit and make the team stronger.
aswell remember being admin comes with a sacrifice for both the server and for the player itself, the player will not be able to attend in roleplays such as Events as he used to, and often the person taken into the admin team is a strong Player and often a Regular player that will bring Roleplay and act like a Guide on the Server to new players, even if the player don't notice it. aswell server going to loose that if the person is accepted as moderator. admins/mods are at server to work and focus on a job, and duty always comes First.
So let's say this, If you are a strong regular player that Help server improve, and a strong character don't always mean you will be acepted As mod / admin it might even mean the opposite.
So the point is, What that is very important Is Regular active Players to Be online That is the Main key to a Popular Server.
And also moderator applications are open and always looked into and dealt with When a Possible Candidate Passing the Line to the point where we see Potential in that player.

if a Player can't Speak english or understand english or the rules or yeah not be able to fit in, the server might not be as fun i agree, But there is nothing we can do to change that.
So he/she should eather find a way to communicate and understand or find another server.

/witchking



Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Kerbe on September 22, 2015, 09:37:22 pm
To add my few cents, it should be said people roleplay when it suits them. Once a person sees he can profit from a roleplay, he goes for it and tries to keep it serious. However, once the RP turns against him and he finds himself on the "losing" (in quotation marks; as Yazan said, both sides need to reach an agreement and winning/losing should not be a thing), player suddenly starts getting less and less... realistic? Enthusiastic about the RP? He tries to turn it into his favour and if that doesn't work out, he escapes the RP.

What yazan also mentioned is suspects who claim to be roleplaying. Then, when they have 6 shotguns aimed at them at short range, they suddenly use their super powers, dodge all the bullets and run for a car/way out. One example for all, police always take it seriously when there is, let's say, a bomb threat - they keep their distance, they try to negotiate, defuse the bomb. They act as if the bomb EXISTED and was able to kill them. Why, then, can't some players (not only criminals; this happens to everyone who gets a gun pointed in his face) accept that shotguns/other weapons can kill them in the same exact way? Because they don't want to lose. And unless we get rid of this win-or-lose attitude, we won't be able to move forward.

The goal of roleplaying should always be having fun. Not lust for personal gains, rewards, whatever, but fun. Roleplay is rare now, yes. What we see instead are players aimlessly roaming around the city. Dukes PD - MGS - roundabout and back. Where is the point of this? Roleplaying a flat tire from time to time could result in entertainment for police, medics, mechanics and possibly also firefighters, so why not take the "sacrifice" once in a while? What stops us from trying to sell fake medicine, roleplaying a hungry hobo or suicidal granny on her pills? (And yes, I've roleplay all of those at some point.)

Players, especially the older ones, are leaving. One of the reason might be roleplay mentioned above, another the client. It does not offer any room for improvement. We cannot take any leap forward and suddenly come up with a brand new game mode offering dozens of new possibilities. Instead, let's seek fun in what we have. I've never seen anyone roleplaying a truck driver or a delivery man since the script was introduced to the server. Everyone's rushing for money and they forget about player interaction. Personally I've never had more than one shitty car, and at this point my only property is a 25k house. Only that in 4 years on the server. Why? Because I don't give a damn about having 4 cars, businesses, houses. What am I going to do with them? Vast majority of players who own those just use them to speed around, make money and store stuff. Have they ever roleplayed with those properties? Nope. Because greed is just too strong in the server.

Since veterans are leaving, new players don't get a lot of guidance. They are told the basics and then left on their own. So they go and try to do what they think is the most important - get a car, house, money. It is very well possible that the only roleplay they have ever had is a traffic stop. Who's gonna raise the new "generation" of players if not the current one? Admins are pretty busy with rulebreaks on a daily basis. They do their best to advise the players, not just punish them. But they cannot handle it all alone. They need help from regulars.

Institutions such as COL and other government agencies and organisations should have integrating new players into the server as their top priority. LCPD staff, for example, is required to patrol with and educate new police officers who have just joined duty whenever possible. Considering the LCPD is currently the largest active organisation in the server, it is clear that our effort has the desired results. Now imagine how many players and therefore roleplays we could have if EVERYONE did that. Of course it is not possible with every new players... but how can you know if you don't give it a shot?

Upon leaving the server after playing, player should ask himself: "What have I done to make our server better today?" Or: "Did I try to roleplay today?" Small things, minor roleplays on a daily basis, can make a difference. Once individuals get to realise the community is made out of them, then we can make a change.

Kerbe

Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Danny Soulson on September 22, 2015, 10:22:35 pm
Today RP shown how the IV:MP would live up again.
Nice everyone.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yaz000n on September 22, 2015, 10:23:47 pm
Today RP shown how the IV:MP would live up again.
Nice everyone.

I was not in game today so i missed it , if its possible to tell me about it in Forum PM ? i am interested :D
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: James Conway on September 23, 2015, 09:56:36 am
Today RP shown how the IV:MP would live up again.
Nice everyone.
Imagination and creativity lies in your own hands.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: ahmedXD on October 30, 2015, 10:45:38 pm
They all migrated to GTA V  :gand:
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Mark on December 06, 2015, 10:33:27 pm
What is also lacking is general knowledge of roleplay rules by admins. Like forcing roleplay, half of the team thinks that it's forcing someone to roleplay with you while he is afking or trying to appear afk because he does not give shit about interacting with another individual.
Is this a roleplay server? The atmosphere is of a freeroam server with basic rules about roleplay. I'm getting told that i cannot roleplay a corrupt cop because it goes server rules, afaik there aren't rules about this. The only rule close to it is "You must act like the skin duty does require you to be acted" from here (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=62244.0).
I have been told also that i cannot perform regular traffic stops because it's "illegal", what am i supposed to do as cop other than watching the copbaiters speeding all the way Outlook - DPD ? It's my right to interact in the server, and this right is slowly dying, killed by those who care only about numbers.
Let's be honest, it has been like this since years, lately (like last 2 years) the only roleplays going on are cops vs criminal, it's stupid to consider it RP for the way they end (Look at my channel videos, it's full of examples). At this point you can rename the server to "Argonath Freeroam and Cops vs Robbers". All the time i spent trying to explain to a newbie that roleplay is more than going to kill someone is just useless if the administration itself has a low knowledge about such rules. This may be offensive towards the administration but i can't find other words to describe how horrible it is to attempt an interaction without getting either carkilled by newbies or "punished" because you are the player and the admin told you to act as some unknown rules state in an outdated topic. All what i want is transparency and clarifications on rules for everyone.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Dennis. on December 06, 2015, 10:36:11 pm
I visited twice IV:MP and it didn't attract me :/ They didn't cost that much attention on client I guess(gta staff)
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: yaz000n on December 06, 2015, 10:54:30 pm
What is also lacking is general knowledge of roleplay rules by admins. Like forcing roleplay, half of the team thinks that it's forcing someone to roleplay with you while he is afking or trying to appear afk because he does not give shit about interaction with another individual.
Is this a roleplay server? The atmosphere is of a freeroam server with basic rules about roleplay. I'm getting told that i cannot roleplay a corrupt cop because it goes server rules, afaik there aren't rules about this. The only rule close to it is "You must act like the skin duty does require you to be acted" from here (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=62244.0).
I have been told also that i cannot perform regular traffic stops because it's "illegal", what am i supposed to do as cop other than watching the copbaiters speeding all the way Outlook - DPD ? It's my right to interact in the server, and this right is slowly dying, killed by those who care only about numbers.
Let's be honest, it has been like this since years, lately (like last 2 years) the only roleplays going on are cops vs criminal, it's stupid to consider it RP for the way they end (Look at my channel videos, it's full of examples). At this point you can rename the server to "Argonath Freeroam and Cops vs Robbers". All the time i spent trying to explain to a newbie that roleplay is more than going to kill someone is just useless when the administration itself has a low knowledge about the rules. This may be offensive towards the administration but i can't find other words to describe how horrible it is to attempt an interaction without getting either carkilled or punished because you are the player and the admin told you to act as some unknown rules state in an outdated topic. All what i want is transparency and clarifications on rules for everyone.
You are GOD DAMN RIGHT :app:
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Danny Soulson on December 07, 2015, 03:16:17 am

True, All of the roleplays (98%) were only about cops&robbers,

I Thought of a Idea long time ago So.. I`ll Post it here, There should be a group named like ? "Event Creators (EC)"
These people are gonna gather people make events, (Being able to spawn , Change time , Teleport,
This group will gather people make roleplay Events. Example: "Zombie Apocalypse" , "Ebola Breakout" , "Terrorist Attack" , "President Transport" ...etc
This should probably increase Roleplay Alot,
These people should make events like 2 Events per day or Even more!
And Maybe All participants should get like prizes for Participating in those RP events. (money)


Suggestions:

More Strict Rules:
Freecops Should only use Police Crusiers.
Freecops Must Follow Traffic Regulations (All Law enforcers Included)
Police Must Perform Traffic Stops ..etc
Jail Time 10 Minutes
Freecops should be Supervised By LCPD (Officer+) (Also Punishments included, Random shooting = Suspection, When Freecops Kill their Comrade they should be suspected and investigated, (Once They do such there should be punishments like Suspension or such)...
Removing State Cars, Adding Ability for new players to buy a Beginner car that they will use as their own)   = Increasing Usage of Taxi services
And Also the thing i suggested long time ago "/surp" The ability to suspect someone for a Roleplay (Suspects dont loose money or Respect) (Probably may increase Roleplays)
And making some idea for Medics since they are not much of use atm.




I think by this i think the IV:MP Could live up again.


Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on December 07, 2015, 05:26:16 am
I don't see what the problem is here. Back when I played IVMP, there wasn't a whole lot of script support or many players for that matter. But you know what? I roleplayed with what I had in front of me using imagination and ideas. Yeah, there isn't that many players, but if you look around on the server manager, you don't see many servers with a whole lot of players either. The IVMP client is very limited to what it can do and it just plain isn't well supported like SA:MP is.

Roleplay events are only a temporary solution, and stricter rules will make your player count drop. Try to do some old fashioned RP and then advertise on youtube or something on what you've accomplished. I know when Batta was still around, he would record videos and stuff of DD events or police chases and it would attract people.

So yeah, just have some fun and enjoy...it's a game after all.

You all need to remember that we're human beings and administration isn't perfect, but neither are you.
So live and learn by example and maybe help out the new people who rulebreak and try to push them towards the other side. I know Rami helped me out when I was new and now I'm doing pretty well...in the SAMP server. But you know what? I'm from IVMP, and IVMP will always have a place in my heart.

Anyways, you'll start to see me and several other Kolta members in game more often, once I get out of the hospital.

They all migrated to GTA V  :gand:
Not true. I'm a GTA V leader for Argo and the activity for Argonath as a group is extremely low. Most of them have actually gone over to SAMP. I don't want to brag about SAMP, cause this is a topic of development for IVMP so I won't go there.

Imagination and creativity lies in your own hands.
Yup.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Mark on December 07, 2015, 09:49:02 am
You clearly can't see it because you've not had occasion to play. Lately i have seen more restrictions for those who want to roleplay, killing the opportunity to perform regular traffic stops is one of them. Sure you can try something different but let's be real, you will end up roleplaying only with yourself.
Events? No thanks , i filled the whole lifestyle section till now.
I can try as much i want to introduce players into roleplay but there will be always the main issue, roleplay scenarios are inexistent. This is a roleplay server yet the administration says that you can avoid a roleplay if you don't want to do it, is this what you want? A bunch of players stunting and speeding all around the map? Why shouldn't we try to introduce some stricter rules on HOW and WHY you should roleplay? Wouldn't it be more attractive for new comers? I'm asking some help in this, and the current "hidden" changes are not helping at all.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Arthur on December 07, 2015, 04:08:50 pm
It may be my last post because I am done seeing many ideas and discussions related to that subject being ignored, but my words will be limited to some basics which must be changed as soon as possible. This has been discussed several times but seemingly, nobody cares. I don't get the point of letting freecops drive state vehicles on duty, how could that be a kind of role-playing?! Freecops do whatever they feel like doing, why aren't freecops under the command of the LCPD?! Do you know if you make freecops under the command of the LCPD, you will present more role-playing chances?!  The LCPD has a topic for complaints on ARPD forums, if any cop abuses a player nevertheless of that cop's rank "ARPD Officer or an LCPD official", that player can easily forward it to the LCPD command staff and it will be reviewed immediately, all what you have to do is presenting screenshots of that Officer abusing you. For example, you are driving within the speed speed and an Officer pops up, pulling you over for no reason. You should act like the following steps:

1) Role-play taking out your phone or anything you can record with.
2) Start recording from the moment when that cop abused you and make sure you have taken enough evidence against that cop.
3) Head to ARPD forums, GTA IV section and present your case in the LCPD complaints topic.

Once you have followed all these steps, the LCPD command staff would review your case and you would get an answer immediately. This is a police matter, I don't really get why admins interfere when a cop drives recklessly or breaks the law or is being corrupted or is caught doing illegal stuff, as Mark mentioned, can't a cop role-play being corrupted?! We have FBI agents and detectives for a reason, don't we? But admins deal with such cases instead of letting FBI agents and detectives do their job AND it's their job to handle such cases, let agents and detectives do their job by gathering information, questioning that cop why he is doing that and they would make the right decision to punish that cop. Admins are given power which isn't supposed to have; police abuse, law breaking on duty and corruption MUST be handled by the LCPD and the FBI not by admins. Freecops must be under the command of the LCPD and using cruisers on duty is must, not driving fancy vehicles or trucks as if we were in a race.

It has always been like that over the years and has never changed, a daily repetitive scenario "An Officer catches a reckless driver above the speed limit, the Officer lights up sirens and tries to pullover that reckless driver but that driver doesn't stop and keeps running away. The Officer calls for a back-up, the back-up comes and manages to eliminate the driver's vehicle, the driver gets out of their vehicle and runs away, the Officers take out their weapons and start shooting randomly, some Officers fall down due to friendly fire and eventually the suspect is taken out after about 100 bullets?". This has become a common thing, so what do you expect of newcomers on seeing this kind of incidents?! This happens daily and suspects never seek to role-play to have an advantage, sadly, this is done by the most veteran players on the server who are supposed to encourage role-playing.

Well, I don't understand why the court officials are still in their positions and not fired yet? They have been inactive for a long time and nobody takes care of people's cases, I believe there are so many active cases that haven't been reviewed yet. In my point of view, 30% of role-playing relies on the server's functions and scripts while 70% relies on the player's role-playing skills and imagination, I admit that we could have a better role-playing chances, if we have a more stable client but stop blaming the client because you don't just seek to role-play. Hopefully, I'd get an answer from the server manager or leaders, because it has been a serious matter and must be discussed. Lastly, I appreciate James Conway's efforts to encourage players to role-play.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: gabrielkiriac on December 07, 2015, 04:48:42 pm
I don't really get why admins interfere when a cop drives recklessly or breaks the law or is being corrupted or is caught doing illegal stuff
Rules state that cops must follow the laws while on duty. Hence the admins interfering when cops break laws. And as I know being corrupted is illegal so... You figure it out.

using cruisers on duty is must
Freecops driving state cars -> people moaning.
Freecops not being able to drive state cars -> people would moan due to "restricting RP" or whatever reason they find next.

You want freecops under LCPD's command? I wonder how you gonna keep freecops under control when they won't stop, may even carkill you and especially not giving a damn about what you say. Only thing you could do is copban. Ya think that'd stop them? I don't.
Things are as they're supposed to be since this is a light RP server, don't forget that.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: Mark on December 07, 2015, 05:39:38 pm
"Light RP" , explain it, please. Carkilling is against server rules, doesn't matter if it's a cop or a civilian doing that, Kevin is talking about giving LCPD more control on freecops. Corruption has to be handled either by LCPD or FBI, especially this one that has nothing to work with, except for a few drug dealers (i guess). I don't see why admins should interfer in corruption cases, as i said previously leaders should come clear and transparent on this. We are tired of being ignored, we know some of you are busy with real life, we all have one, but at least you could spend 5 minutes to answer instead of reading only.
Title: Re: IV:MP Needs to Improve.
Post by: superh2o on December 07, 2015, 08:12:48 pm
I have witnesses FBI taking charge over police officers who were missusing there power to Aid a suspect for some reason, they are dealing with corrupt officers from what i seen, truth may be im not that active and i dont see all that happens.

But I beleve best way posible to keep freecops in shape would be a coalition of Admins and LCPD staff (yes that existed all this time).

All things that fall under rulebreaks no matter if player is on duty or not should be handled by staff only, there were few incidents of people in certin posisions abusing there powers in a vigilante way. And that act of vigialnce lead to a ban that may not have been justifyed (even tho i was the admin who issued the ban), and yes that player was unbanned as soon as Managers checked the details.

So yes, seems there is a bit of bad history of people missuing there position, in a unaceptable way.

But i do think, if players would not be lazy to write complaints and reports on IVMP ARPD forums, Police could be keept under control by both the ARPD staff and admins if needed.

So IF player start writing reports we will start seperating the good from the bad, thats all I can say for rulebreaks or abuse of police powers that will be handled by ARPD staff.

About roleplay well that is simple lead by example keep trying, i been killed trying to RP on a lot of ocasions and im still not giving up on trying to RP when i have a chance, few things that some players seem to forget are Suspection isnt needed for something to be called a RP, guns are not needed for RP, all what you need to RP is imagnation and free time. And the last thing that is not needed is killing, you can just RP kill someone and leave, with satisfaction knowing that you did what many failed to do.

Also one last thing,there isnt a post here was ignored i know for a fact Armelin (and admins and some players i know) read all thats writen there, what gets implemented well thats another thing, as you know the Client has tons of limitations, so you all keep posting your ideas you will never be ignored.
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