Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on December 06, 2015, 02:57:37 am
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There has been a lot of confusion regarding PMs and their consideration in RP. If you decide to utilize PM as an RP communication method then you are directly making PM legitimately RP.
An example of a non-rp PM:
"Hey, what did you do this weekend"
"Hey, how much longer are you going to be online"
An example of a RP PM:
"Hey, wannna buy drugs?"
"Hey, can you meet me at our secret meeting spot?"
"Hey, HEAL?!"
This means yes, PM can be used in court if it is a RP PM. This means PMs can be used in RP if YOU make it that way.
Thanks for understanding.
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What if someone starts the RP as shown above but you don't reply back to it in RP?
''I'm gonna kill you''
''Lol k noob''
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I see how it can initiate an RP, I however don't see how it can be seen as an RP interaction.
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I can't say I fully agree on this but okay, everything has a reason.
''I'm gonna kill you''
There's no possible way I can take a PM with that message as roleplay.
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:uhm:
This is a hole new level in which its going to make it much harder to gain ground evidence on a crime...
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Are PMs considered SMS type of message? Are these considered "saved" somewhere so you can show it in court like off your phone like a regular SMS. Or is it up to us?
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Look out for /p is RP if YOU MAKE it RP. Coming Soon.
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what
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lol
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Okay what the fuck. I've had people ask me if I buy/sell drugs, ask me if I want to gamble ( then proceed giving out more details after being declined), ask me if they could be gvardia freinds and bros and spam me with why not, and all those other bullshit. We must stop it.
In a way, this is script abuse. These people and I've done it too, we all have at some point, we use a certain script to purchase an item that is illegal and this script allows us to erase any possible evidence the police might gather against us. Or they advertise their product eithout having to pay the costs for /ad. Instead of PUNISHING them, we let them use it. What the fuck.
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This works in both ways. It can be useful against criminals, but it's also useful against cops.
In any way, you can't ignore this breaks the game up a lot more by giving more transparency, but it also gives several advantages in rolling up all kinds of malicious cases.
I'll just do what I normally do and sit behind the judge's chair, watching the fires rage on the field :lol:
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I agree with this. It's literally like a short message system.
However, we have it on phone aswell. :D
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I refuse to go with this, sorry. PM is not and should never be a RP Method. If you want to buy, sell or whatever, you do it with the ACTUAL roleplay methods such as phone calls, local chat, and so on. The only thing acceptable on this is if you whisper something to someone and you don't want those that are nearby to see what you've whispered.
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I refuse to go with this, sorry. PM is not and should never be a RP Method. If you want to buy, sell or whatever, you do it with the ACTUAL roleplay methods such as phone calls, local chat, and so on. The only thing acceptable on this is if you whisper something to someone and you don't want those that are nearby to see what you've whispered.
I agree with this, but since admins can't take action against people 'roleplaying' in PM, due to the fact there's no OOC and IC. It's quite unfair that players can use /pm to avoid role play punishment, so even though it is in my opinion a stupid solution, it's a solution.
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I guess I'll be sueing all the people that constantly spam me with "Selling weed?" and "Wanna gamble?" - That's harassment!
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Regarding to the last trends, players abused the /PM to avoid being recorded as roleplay act so the best example were the last elections. Where mayors and staffs, used pm for corruption so they won't be charged in future for the actions from agencies which work on those situations such as SAPD FBI CIA etc.
So I agree to count the PM as roleplay if it's being used as Roleplay tool, equal as /L /me etc. So even admin treatment will count the PM as evidence in roleplay. Consider Pm just like doing it phone call, and everything is ok, i guess.
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I agree with this, but since admins can't take action against people 'roleplaying' in PM, due to the fact there's no OOC and IC. It's quite unfair that players can use /pm to avoid role play punishment, so even though it is in my opinion a stupid solution, it's a solution.
It is indeed considered as a stupid solution because the only way even Law Enforcements can catch you comitting illegal acts is if you yourself tell them..
Whatever decision is taken, I just refuse to follow this so in the future, don't use this roleplay method with me.
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Next time I kidnap someone I got to remember to frisk and take thier PM too so they can't call for help.
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Next time I kidnap someone I got to remember to frisk and take thier PM too so they can't call for help.
XD made ma day
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#BoycotPM
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Take their "pm" just like passport examiners do with their students. If that's it's RP, yes lol, why not.
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I love seeing some people disagree then seeing log checks of them using PM as a method of RP. GG guys. YOU, the community, started this. We never intended PM to be used in ANY way for RP purposes.
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Oh yeah. Last time i told someone not to use PM for "wanna buy weed?" he said he does not care at all. Fun fact, he was a newbie, we teach them wrong from start.
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I agree with this, but since admins can't take action against people 'roleplaying' in PM, due to the fact there's no OOC and IC. It's quite unfair that players can use /pm to avoid role play punishment, so even though it is in my opinion a stupid solution, it's a solution.
Exactly this. Our other solution is to remove PM, do you like that solution better?
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Exactly this. Our other solution is to remove PM, do you like that solution better?
Implent OOC/IC
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Implent OOC/IC
I have a lot of freedom to do what I want but if I did this I'm pretty sure Gandalf would want to castrate me.
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he isn't the only one ;)
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These people and I've done it too, we all have at some point, we use a certain script to purchase an item that is illegal and this script allows us to erase any possible evidence the police might gather against us.
Exactly the reason for this. Since this isn't a straight up way of communication it can be considered abuse reason being, there's no way no matter how knowledgeable in evidence collection to stop anyone using this. And since RP is not regulated (big down side in today's argo style) this is the only way about it.
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I have a lot of freedom to do what I want but if I did this I'm pretty sure Gandalf would want to castrate me.
He could try but we have his cat hostage. :strong:
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Why not use /em (((((OOC: hurr durr)))))
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I still find it funny that since i joined this community in 2008 and stopped playing in like, 2012, just dropping by occasionally nowadays, i seem such things still being discussed. What is the problem of using the PM for roleplay purposes as an SMS resource, a radio or something like that if both parts agree? Considering i can not impose my will on other players as that would be certainly considered as "forced roleplay" which is absolutely correct.
Oh yeah. Last time i told someone not to use PM for "wanna buy weed?" he said he does not care at all. Fun fact, he was a newbie, we teach them wrong from start.
Why is that wrong? The community provides all script resources for the chat such as CB, phone and local chats, but is there something in the rules that forbids players from using PM also as a roleplay method? I am not saying that i use PM for roleplaying, but i just find this discussion senseless as i do not know why do people really care about how other people are roleplaying.
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Why not use /em (((((OOC: hurr durr)))))
Because it's not recognized as legitimate in Argonath?
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#BoycotPM
#/setpm_off
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Next time I kidnap someone I got to remember to frisk and take thier PM too so they can't call for help.
/me starts frisking the guy.
/em what do i find?
/em a car keys and a PM.
/me takes the PM and smashes it.
lol
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Punish those using PM as a RP mean ( except the instances of whisper ) by disabling their PM for minimum 2 days.
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Punish those using PM as a RP mean ( except the instances of whisper ) by disabling their PM for minimum 2 days.
Punish people for RPing in PM? lmao what is this
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Punish those using PM as a RP mean ( except the instances of whisper )
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What about forum PM? Let's be consistent and apply the same 'rules' to those.
For example a forum PM about drug business RP.
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Punish people for RPing in PM? lmao what is this
It's a RP server?
What about forum PM? Let's be consistent and apply the same 'rules' to those.
For example a forum PM about drug business RP.
Yes, this could work about that. Forums are seen as "websites" in court so kinda, yea..
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It's a RP server?
Yeah so why can't people use PM to RP?
pls keep some of the argonath freedom intact
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Come on, folks; i just would like to know, sincerely, why do you care so much about how other people roleplay, be it using PM or any other shit. I do not give a plain shit, really. It's all about YOUR part in the play, if you want to use the scripted communication methods, go ahead, but if someone else wants to use another type of chat (even if it's not really destinated for that purpose), i simply go along.
I have seen in this thread replies asking for punishiments for people who does not roleplays in a certain way - I mean, guys, this is exactly the opposite Argonath has always followed.
Why is that wrong? The community provides all script resources for the chat such as CB, phone and local chats, but is there something in the rules that forbids players from using PM also as a roleplay method? I am not saying that i use PM for roleplaying, but i just find this discussion senseless as i do not know why do people really care about how other people are roleplaying.
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Because it's not recognized as legitimate in Argonath?
we could make our own system like
a) not in roleplay = nirp
b) in roleplay = irp
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Hurp Durp
Nirp Irp
I like.
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We never intended PM to be used in ANY way for RP purposes.
Then clarify that it shouldn't be used for RP. Don't allow it just because some people doesn't knows what a "private message" means.
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/ignore ID and they won't be able to PM you until you /unignore them.
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Exactly this. Our other solution is to remove PM, do you like that solution better?
How about do not remove PM and still leave it how it always was. It was always like that, those who actually roleplay have a basic knowledge not to use PM for roleplay. PM is strictly OOC even if Argonath has some sort of vision against it. You can use PM for whispers and such, that is fine, or giving an order (Using is as some sort of a radio specifically to that person), but overall it isn't a roleplay tool and whatever and whoever I speak with via /pm, I refuse for it to be used against me. Whatever is said in PM is strictly private between those people and no one should use PM as a roleplay method, sorry.
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no one should use PM as a roleplay method, sorry.
We don't disagree but we don't see a way to positively counter this. You say you want PMs to be private, the only way we can stop people doing this is to allow admins to read PMs. I don't think this is a solution you want either. We don't have a lot of options here... you must be able to understand that.
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PM is many times used as a way to privatelly whisper to someone (/w) is too public. So sorry, but /pm should be used as a roleplay method some times. Anyway, it's a logical change.
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PM is many times used as a way to privatelly whisper to someone (/w) is too public. So sorry, but /pm should be used as a roleplay method some times. Anyway, it's a logical change.
Please explain under what circumstances /pm can be used for a RP that can't be done with /w /L /sms /call or /cb.
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PMs CANNOT be used for roleplay. I'm not gonna state my reasons, since they have been pretty much posted above. In another hand, I would suggest transforming PMs into SMS. So, when someone sends a text to anyone, a message would appear in the local chat like "*player name* just sent a SMS* or something like that.
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PMs CANNOT be used for roleplay. I'm not gonna state my reasons, since they have been pretty much posted above. In another hand, I would suggest transforming PMs into SMS. So, when someone sends a text to anyone, a message would appear in the local chat like "*player name* just sent a SMS* or something like that.
so i think you suggesting to remove PMs because we already can send SMS by using a phone.
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We don't disagree but we don't see a way to positively counter this. You say you want PMs to be private, the only way we can stop people doing this is to allow admins to read PMs. I don't think this is a solution you want either. We don't have a lot of options here... you must be able to understand that.
Admins shouldn't be given the possibility to read PMs because if that is given, might aswell remove PMs overall considering they're no longer private. And on the other hand, how come its now a big fuss, some people used the method of selling drugs via pm since the creation of the server and its now a big problem. What I propose is leave everything how it is and leave it up to the players if they actually want to roleplay buying/selling drugs and so on. Some people can't even roleplay the simplest basic things, even more when it comes to drugs (I'm assuming this entire argument is mostly because of drugs).
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Haha what the fuck..
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Admins shouldn't be given the possibility to read PMs because if that is given, might aswell remove PMs overall considering they're no longer private. And on the other hand, how come its now a big fuss, some people used the method of selling drugs via pm since the creation of the server and its now a big problem. What I propose is leave everything how it is and leave it up to the players if they actually want to roleplay buying/selling drugs and so on. Some people can't even roleplay the simplest basic things, even more when it comes to drugs (I'm assuming this entire argument is mostly because of drugs).
The problem is people are taking advantage of it and using PM to ruin the RP possibility of others. We're talking mostly about actionable evidence obtained by law enforcement parties. As it stands, recorded phone calls, shown text messages, and recordings of CB and group messages are all applicable. Everyone knows this. Some of you decide to use PM to arrange meetings then cry when people share that for RP purposes (ironic right?) in addition they are also prohibited from using it in court.
So the solution to not do anything about it infact is breaking the rules; as it ruins RP for some which is against the rules. Our solutions are:
1) Do what we're doing and consider it RP IF the conversation is of RP subject matter.
2) Give administration the ability to eavesdrop on PMs. You can argue privacy but fun fact, we have no privacy policy. We have the full authority to see all communications on the server.
3) We entirely disable private messaging.
4) ??? (We're open to suggestions)
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1) Do what we're doing and consider it RP IF the conversation is of RP subject matter.
2) Give administration the ability to eavesdrop on PMs. You can argue privacy but fun fact, we have no privacy policy. We have the full authority to see all communications on the server.
3) We entirely disable private messaging.
4) ??? (We're open to suggestions)
4. Don't overcomplicate things and stop seeing problems where there really are none. This goes for everyone who takes the game too seriously and as a result stop being rational about things like this.
Option 2 seems too much and would imply the administration has to monitor every possible roleplay scenario involving two groups and monitor their communcations to ensure everyone is communicating via roleplay methods, which quite frankly seems a little too soviet for me.
Option 1 seems to be the most realistic of them but I really can't see the problem we're having here. Some people are complaining about backup being called through PM, others want to use PM as court evidence and then there's those who just can't stand the thought of people roleplaying in anything other than /l.
To think we're even discussing option 3 makes me facepalm...
I can see a lot of people who say things like ''PM cannot be used for RP'' just because of personal reasons or reasons for their group, or have to say it because their group leader tells them to and use the banner ''for reasons stated above'' to justify this. Would be nice if people have some more input to offer than that.
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Haha what the fuck..
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Please explain under what circumstances /pm can be used for a RP that can't be done with /w /L /sms /call or /cb.
When I'm in a public place with a friend, and want to tell him something RP-wise in private.
/w is too public
/l is way too public
/sms Well I wouldn't text him, would I?
/call People around me will hear me talking, too public.
/cb I may not be in a cb where it's only the two of us.
/me leans close to Manoni whispering something.
/pm XX Yoloswaggins came by last night. He wants to see you.
By the way Teddy, option one sounds fine with me... What could possibly be wrong with it? Don't pm people that you don't trust. And if anyone abuses this in any possible way, then fuck him.
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Just let /pm be like it is. Some people use it as a part of a roleplay scene and some don't.
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@Kostas Oh, so now you can't whisper something to someone else with the command that is specifically made for /w(hisper)s because it's too public.
Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy.
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Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy.
But that would be /pm, right :lol:
Anyway. My opinion on this is pretty much option 1 from Teddy. We shouldn't change anything on the surface, and have its function remain untouched.
It's when it is used for roleplay that we can consider it so.
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@Kostas Oh, so now you can't whisper something to someone else with the command that is specifically made for /w(hisper)s because it's too public.
There's nothing wrong using /pm as a whisper roleplay, I always use that in roleplays so some things can be more private.
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Since PM is now considered RP and admins have got access to our PM's, simply deal with the changes and use an external source to send PRIVATE messages. Don't understand the commotion tbh. #TeamDarwinism
External Sources:
Skype
Oovoo
Facebook chat (make a seperate gaming account?)
TS (not sure if they can read your PM's too)
The group's forum itself!? (wshadows.com / cmnation.net)
PSN (iOS app)
and countless of other apps
No one is stopping you from turning off your PM's. (That's what I'll be doing from now on)
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Since PM is now considered RP and admins have got access to our PM's
Only managers have access to that.
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Since PM is now considered RP and admins have got access to our PM's, simply deal with the changes and use an external source to send PRIVATE messages. Don't understand the commotion tbh. #TeamDarwinism
External Sources:
Skype
Oovoo
Facebook chat (make a seperate gaming account?)
TS (not sure if they can read your PM's too)
The group's forum itself!? (wshadows.com / cmnation.net)
PSN (iOS app)
and countless of other apps
No one is stopping you from turning off your PM's. (That's what I'll be doing from now on)
If only you had bothered reading before posting. Admins do not have access to read PMs.
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By admin I mean anyone on /admins. When I see a police officer in real life I call him a police offer I don't give two shits if he's a sergeant/lieutenant/chief he's still a damn police officer :lol:
Apologies for mix up of my personal definitions.
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By admin I mean anyone on /admins. When I see a police officer in real life I call him a police offer I don't give two shits if he's a sergeant/lieutenant/chief he's still a damn police officer :lol:
Apologies for mix up of my personal definitions.
All of those listed on /admins do not have access to see PM conversations. Only HQ members do.
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I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.
- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used
He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.
It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.
If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.
Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.
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What is the real problem guys? PM almost stays as it is now, Teddy only stated that if you use it for RP purposes, it MAY be used as evidence or whatever.
For this to work the PM you send has to be either screened by the sender OR the receiver. One of them need to share it. So if you don't trust the other in RP, why do (for example) an illegal deal with him anyways? Besides, for it to be used as evidence in court, a judge also needs to consider it as valid RP. On top of that PM will never be used as only evidence, rather as a complement.
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@Kostas Oh, so now you can't whisper something to someone else with the command that is specifically made for /w(hisper)s because it's too public.
Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy.
Do you have any idea how far /w can be heard? /w may work as intented when you are in a big place that isn't crowded, but when you are in a small bar, it sometimes takes half the interior. When I whisper in your ear, I expect no one but you and maybe someone right near us to hear it. What's so weird about this? @Manoni
"Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy." :app: :app: :app:
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The only real big issue I see with PM is when for example you're being robbed or kidnapped and you spam PM or /cb your friends "OOO EMM GEE PLS HALP ME I'M BEING ROBBED". This is the only thing that bothers me. To this I'd say something like, when you get robbed or kidnapped, the person who's kidnapping you tells you to turn your PM or CB off and when you do it it's actually visible to them. What do you guys think?
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The only real big issue I see with PM is when for example you're being robbed or kidnapped and you spam PM or /cb your friends "OOO EMM GEE PLS HALP ME I'M BEING ROBBED". This is the only thing that bothers me. To this I'd say something like, when you get robbed or kidnapped, the person who's kidnapping you tells you to turn your PM or CB off and when you do it it's actually visible to them. What do you guys think?
This is kinda off-topic, but are we allowed to /report someone for calling his friends over /pm and /cb without RPing anything now that PM is ( not always ) RP?
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I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.
- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used
He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.
It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.
If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.
Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.
What is the real problem guys? PM almost stays as it is now, Teddy only stated that if you use it for RP purposes, it MAY be used as evidence or whatever.
For this to work the PM you send has to be either screened by the sender OR the receiver. One of them need to share it. So if you don't trust the other in RP, why do (for example) an illegal deal with him anyways? Besides, for it to be used as evidence in court, a judge also needs to consider it as valid RP. On top of that PM will never be used as only evidence, rather as a complement.
These two posts are what people should pay attention to.
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I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.
- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used
He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.
It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.
If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.
Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.
Very well explained Chase.
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What is the real problem guys? PM almost stays as it is now, Teddy only stated that if you use it for RP purposes, it MAY be used as evidence or whatever.
For this to work the PM you send has to be either screened by the sender OR the receiver. One of them need to share it. So if you don't trust the other in RP, why do (for example) an illegal deal with him anyways? Besides, for it to be used as evidence in court, a judge also needs to consider it as valid RP. On top of that PM will never be used as only evidence, rather as a complement.
This is spot on. I also like the factor of trust added in here.
I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.
- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used
He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.
It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.
If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.
Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.
This is also spot on.
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This is kinda off-topic, but are we allowed to /report someone for calling his friends over /pm and /cb without RPing anything now that PM is ( not always ) RP?
As of right now, we have nothing against it. PM was never considered RP before. Now it CAN BE if someone takes RP into PM.
Regarding whispers, well we can modify /w to be either /w hey nigga or something or be something like /w 2 I can smell you. This would mean rather than using /pm to whisper, you can use the actual whisper command that'll automatically be like "[Rstar]Devin whispers to Rusty.". This I believe would solve the use of PM in this RP aspect.
I would also encourage anyone who gets PMs like "Do you buy drugs" to respond to these people and get them to change. Respond with like, "I don't buy drugs from people who can't RP" or something along the lines to encourage them to use RP channels to perform RP. Remember, BOTH parties are required to make a PM considered RP. Just because someone sends you a message in RP over PM, doesn't mean it's entirely RP. If you don't act on it, or respond to it RPly then it's not RP.
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this is complicated, guess I'll just follow Kaze and /setpm off
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I would also encourage anyone who gets PMs like "Do you buy drugs" to respond to these people and get them to change. Respond with like, "I don't buy drugs from people who can't RP" or something along the lines to encourage them to use RP channels to perform RP. Remember, BOTH parties are required to make a PM considered RP. Just because someone sends you a message in RP over PM, doesn't mean it's entirely RP. If you don't act on it, or respond to it RPly then it's not RP.
Won't work man, well if everyone does it then it might. But before this topic was up, it worked like this:
"want to buy drugs?"
-"Why don't you try RPing?"
"what?"
-"Why don't you try RPing? If you RP, then I might buy your drugs"
"/getphone >call"
Or totally get ignored. Usually they'll RP if they want to sell, like need it fast, y'know..
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this is complicated
You think it's complicated for you? Try being the one who had to take hours to make a choice on this only to get backlash from the same people abusing it. :D
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Won't work man, well if everyone does it then it might. But before this topic was up, it worked like this:
"want to buy drugs?"
-"Why don't you try RPing?"
"what?"
-"Why don't you try RPing? If you RP, then I might buy your drugs"
"/getphone >call"
Or totally get ignored. Usually they'll RP if they want to sell, like need it fast, y'know..
The point is that it happens and we need the community to shape the use of RP out of PM.
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this is complicated, guess I'll just follow Kaze and /setpm off
Simple - If you make use of PM as a form of roleplay communication to interact with someone or make a deal; expect it to be used as RP evidence in a situation.
Use PM for what it is actually intended to be used for and you have no problem.
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IC and OCC-.. oh never mind this is Argonath.
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It's not complicated, don't want to RP on /pm? Don't.
The point is that it happens and we need the community to shape the use of RP out of PM.
Of course, it should only be weird for the first two weeks, till everyone gets used to the idea. But now that we're talking about drugs, when do you plan on increase that damn price? :D
IC and OCC-.. oh never mind this is Argonath.
Off to **RP you go!
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Of course, it should only be weird for the first two weeks, till everyone gets used to the idea. But now that we're talking about drugs, when do you plan on increase that damn price? :D
RS5.2
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/pm FBI wana by drugs ?
/pm FBI oh shit rong id
lol 2l8 here comes search warrant and arrest.
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/pm FBI wana by drugs ?
/pm FBI oh shit rong id
lol 2l8 here comes search warrant and arrest.
:cop:
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/pm FBI wana by drugs ?
/pm FBI oh shit rong id
lol 2l8 here comes search warrant and arrest.
Well I guess it should be obvious when a pm is sent on purpose ... and when it was a mistake... But I guess it is similar to texts right? You can fail while sending one. So don't /pm hey wanna sell some drugs?
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/pm FBI wana by drugs ?
/pm FBI oh shit rong id
lol 2l8 here comes search warrant and arrest.
that would be your own fault for sending RP messages over PM.
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Haha nice can i rp in public chat too
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Haha nice can i rp in public chat too
Ignorance.
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Anyone who roleplays through PM is an idiot (excuse my french) who haven't understood the point of roleplay and in-game interactions, and should be taught in one way or another rather than making it okay to continue on with it.
Forbid people from sending PM's regarding drug or gamble offers by disallowing it. If it's not allowed, people will eventually use phones or find the person where he/she is.
The only quite valid reason to use PM in a roleplay situation might be when you whisper something.
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Anyone who roleplays through PM is an idiot (excuse my french) who haven't understood the point of roleplay and in-game interactions, and should be taught in one way or another rather than making it okay to continue on with it.
Forbid people from sending PM's regarding drug or gamble offers by disallowing it. If it's not allowed, people will eventually use phones or find the person where he/she is.
The only quite valid reason to use PM in a roleplay situation might be when you whisper something.
No one cares about roleplay. This is Argonath. Its about winning a roleplay and not getting caught at all cost. The person who's mostly against this in this topic is the only person I've caught using PM to evade RP. And the person who ensures he dies whenever he's in a police RP so he doesn't get caught. He publicly admits this and is not ashamed of it.
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Agreed with Que.
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No one cares about roleplay. This is Argonath. Its about winning a roleplay and not getting caught at all cost. The person who's mostly against this in this topic is the only person I've caught using PM to evade RP. And the person who ensures he dies whenever he's in a police RP so he doesn't get caught. He publicly admits this and is not ashamed of it.
Can you sit on your chair irl without moving left/right or up/down ?
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Can you sit on your chair irl without moving left/right or up/down ?
Did I hit a nerve? Sorry.
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PM freedom is great if used correctly.
Good examples of using PM in RP
#1
/pm 1 Ehh, phone bugged. Let's just do the conversation here.
/pm 1 Hello, this is Leon.
#2
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped :|
B: /pm 2 Shit. Find an RP way of calling me, okay?
A: /me puts his hands together and starts praying silently
A: /em If you were inspecting me closely you'd realize that I was actually whispering in my wristwatch.
A: /pm 1 Did it. Come to Santa Marina Beach, at the lighthouse.
Bad example:
#1
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped at SMB, they took away my phone, my gun, everything..
B: Coming with an M4. Hang on.
In good example #2 person A's phone was perhaps confiscated and he had to use his imagination to create another way of communicating with his friend.
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PM freedom is great if used correctly.
Good examples of using PM in RP
#1
/pm 1 Ehh, phone bugged. Let's just do the conversation here.
/pm 1 Hello, this is Leon.
#2
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped :|
B: /pm 2 Shit. Find an RP way of calling me, okay?
A: /me puts his hands together and starts praying silently
A: /em If you were inspecting me closely you'd realize that I was actually whispering in my wristwatch.
A: /pm 1 Did it. Come to Santa Marina Beach, at the lighthouse.
Bad example:
#1
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped at SMB, they took away my phone, my gun, everything..
B: Coming with an M4. Hang on.
In good example #2 person A's phone was perhaps confiscated and he had to use his imagination to create another way of communicating with his friend.
+1
This is indeed a great example of what our freedom in Argonath has to offer. Sadly not all people use it to its full extend while it can provide extremely great RPs for both sides.
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Forbid people from sending PM's regarding drug or gamble offers by disallowing it. If it's not allowed, people will eventually use phones or find the person where he/she is.
The only quite valid reason to use PM in a roleplay situation might be when you whisper something.
Indeed.
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You realize if we see the solution of intervention for using PMs for RP, we need a way for admins to read those PMs. If this is really what you want, the changes can be implemented within minutes.
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You realize if we see the solution of intervention for using PMs for RP, we need a way for admins to read those PMs. If this is really what you want, the changes can be implemented within minutes.
If you're giving the freedom not to hand over PM chat logs might as well leave shit how it is. And if you don't give us the freedom not to hand it over, might as well let admins read PMs. You got that clash.
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If you're giving the freedom not to hand over PM chat logs might as well leave shit how it is. And if you don't give us the freedom not to hand it over, might as well let admins read PMs. You got that clash.
What do you mean handing it over? you are never forced to turn over PM chat logs.
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I think this whole thing is hilarious, what is Argonath coming to?
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What do you mean handing it over? you are never forced to turn over PM chat logs.
Exactly. So if they don't want to RP and use /pm, it won't matter if you make PM as RP if they won't hand it over.
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Exactly. So if they don't want to RP and use /pm, it won't matter if you make PM as RP if they won't hand it over.
I don't think you understand to be honest. It's the same as phone, if you call someone and they record it they can use it in RP. It's not like if someone knows you are talking about RP shit in PM you are now obligated to turn it over. It's only that PM can be used in RP if people use it for RP.
This isn't something we wanted. You, the community, abused it. You, the community, took advantage. This has constantly been a problem. We have to ruin good things, prevent doing good things, simply because of the potential for people to misuse. You may think we're able to sit here and review this shit endlessly, but we do have lives. We cannot sit here and look over every single PM and back track with bans. We either need a proactive solution, or some sort of solution that PREVENTS using PM* to circumvent RP information, details, or actions from being usable in an RP environment.
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Disable /pm cmd for these people. This way, we're nlt stopping it, we're givong those who use it more freedom to keep using it.
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So the problem is that ... administrators can't do their thing, without access to the pm logs? I'm confused. Since when do admin do log checks on reports? Managers have access to PMs, that's enough. If a random spectating admin doesn't see them, then big deal.
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As long as PM RP isn't forced (not being able to ignore it), sure why not? But maybe there should be a way to limit it for kidnappings etc. Some way to limit outgoing PMs/CB messages etc. while you're being kidnapped. Perhaps /gag [id] or something like that.
It's weird, every time we take a few steps forward to improving the roleplay quality around the server, we usually take a few steps back afterward...
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This shouldn't even be a discussion. Roleplay through PM and roleplay through mainchat is uncreative and a super weak way of interacting. Letting it go as a valid roleplay method will only increase more of the shit.
"wana gamble????" and "weeds???" through PM is retarded already.
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As long as PM RP isn't forced (not being able to ignore it), sure why not? But maybe there should be a way to limit it for kidnappings etc. Some way to limit outgoing PMs/CB messages etc. while you're being kidnapped. Perhaps /gag [id] or something like that.
It's weird, every time we take a few steps forward to improving the roleplay quality around the server, we usually take a few steps back afterward...
+1 for gag [id], like I said, this is my only issue with PM/CB, using it to get help when you're cornered when you're not supposed to.
However, a few weeks ago, when I got kidnapped, I didn't PM or say anything to anyone, but the FBI PM'd me saying the knew what was going on and they chose to ask me what the last location of my phone was before they smashed it (I turned it off).
So maybe high ranked FBI Agents can track where players are when their phones are on automatically (?)