Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Jeremy. on January 05, 2016, 01:35:56 am
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Good evening, as it title says I would like to hear the reason for implementing something which is pretty clear meant to be offensive towards romanian players. We all know it. It's really sad to see how smart you must be to determine the difference between romanians and gypsies.
Alright so, the whole "/accent" thing is supposed to improve the quality of roleplay but now you have to tell me how is "/accent gypsy" not offensive when we, daily hear things like this:
u fking gyps ; i dont rob wallets at train stations
It happens very often, seeing a group of romanians across the street and suddenly switching the accent to "gypsy". However implemented this, I don't understand your logic at all. Why use romanian accent instead of gypsy, oh no that could be fucking ridiculous.
I personally have no issue with dumb people calling me a gypsy, I'm mature enough to distinguish differences. Same goes for other romanian people around here so please if you show me someone roleplaying as a gypsy if that's the reason for '" /accent" and not trolling around buying icecream for fucking sakes.
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Dude are you even fucking serious with this ?
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If your mature enough you should learn to suck things up and carry on with name calling.
Sandi is called Cigan all the time.
Im call Chav and always taken the piss out of.
Bruce is called TV stealer
Taseen is always called Paki
Kaseem is always accused of being a terrorist
I don't see no crying about those guys.
lol what
Dude are you even f**cking serious with this ?
Yes. Who the fuck is using /accent gypsy for RP purpose lmao. All I see is trolling and provoking, why letting it happen?
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Just to point out there is also Irish Gypsies.
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Eh, we all know Sandi is ciganÄe ;)
Luv u my Croatian brother!
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So it's apparent you're annoyed to the extent you decided to post a topic regarding this.
What I don't quite understand is the following; why would someone that is classed in the world as a (young adult) at this point in time take offense to a person talking crap on a game?
Do you also take offense to people calling names in school and need the teacher to end the argument? It is a gaming community after all, take comments with a pinch of salt.
Ignore the kids that try and provoke you with bullshit like saying cigan and gypsy.
I don't see why people only assume the gypsy accent only relates to Romania given the fact that there are gypsies in the UK and other countries around the world.
Taking it personally really leads me to believe people are far too touchy to be on the internet.
Gypsy
noun
1.
a member of a travelling people with dark skin and hair, traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.
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The problem is that it's not about just a nickname, nowadays Romanian means automatically gypsie, and it is very, VERY offensive towards us, since we're totally different from those. I will refrain from racism or stuff like that even though it refers to my and not only my opinion about those we are assimilated with.
Em, and about the gypsie accent, gypsies are migratory peoples, so they actually learn the accent of the country they are in, and they are spread across the globe. There's no such thing as a Gypsie accent, you can tell probably by the way they look but accent? It's all about the country. That's the problem..
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Dude are you even f**cking serious with this ?
Very. For example, we were three romanians guys infront of LSCH, havin' a talk. Then a guy came, and switched his accent to gypsy and started talking around. Ofcourse we did not get offended at all, because we are not what he is claiming we are, but it's not nice.
And, HQ, /accent is meant to encourage roleplaying...tell me how is calling romanians gypsies encouraging roleplays.
>long ass quote>
But, why HQ has implemented this if you see people MAY get offended? Just to have some fun,right?
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Yes. Who the fuck is using /accent gypsy for RP purpose lmao. All I see is trolling and provoking, why letting it happen?
That's why there's a function /report for such cases. And on this kind of matter where other people are offended by others related to their nationality were always seen as a serious case to handle with.
On the other side, you should indeed just ignore such people who are born to troll and bully others. Join the joke and be a part of it. I've been called so many things around for the past year in here and i've been joining the jokes and been having fun. It's way more easier to handle such things.
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Uhm, in the UK we have gypsy's, they are typically born here but pretend they are Irish because of their ancestry, they live in sheds and steal off everyone, maybe it's relating to that kind of gypsy. :D
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Uhm, in the UK we have gypsy's, they are typically born here but pretend they are Irish because of their ancestry, they live in sheds and steal off everyone, maybe it's relating to that kind of gypsy. :D
Yep, always end up in the fucking local park in their 47 carvans.
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So it's apparent you're annoyed to the extent you decided to post a topic regarding this.
What I don't quite understand is the following; why would someone that is classed in the world as a (young adult) at this point in time take offense to a person talking crap on a game?
Do you also take offense to people calling names in school and need the teacher to end the argument? It is a gaming community after all, take comments with a pinch of salt.
Ignore the kids that try and provoke you with bullshit like saying cigan and gypsy.
I don't see why people only assume the gypsy accent only relates to Romania given the fact that there are gypsies in the UK and other countries around the world.
Taking it personally really leads me to believe people are far too touchy to be on the internet.
Gypsy
noun
1.
a member of a travelling people with dark skin and hair, traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.
Devin, I don't want to argue, you indeed have a good point, but sometimes it's taken to an extent which crosses the damn limit. For us, Romanians, talking about us as gypsies or comparing them to us is like comparing a contemporary German with a Nazi, and no, I am NOT at all exaggerating, any of us can tell, and severe punishments are taken for this Nazi thingy, I hope same should be taken for this Gypsie thingy aswell, since it's something we are really, REALLY offended of.
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How do you have an accent for a country-less band of travelers?
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will refrain from racism or stuff like that even though it refers to my and not only my opinion about those we are assimilated with.
For it to class as being racist it would need to be a race to begin with.
A message can only be offensive if the party reading it makes it offensive in their mind, a message online from a stranger holds no merit to even be classed as offensive. Sadly this is the internet and people should really learn to move on and ignore things that "offend" them.
So you also say there's no such thing as a "gypsy accent" then why are people offended by the script? It was included as a joke just as the retarded accent was added.
Will someone take offense to the retarded accent now apparently being offensive to those with disabilities too?
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Very. For example, we were three romanians guys infront of LSCH, havin' a talk. Then a guy came, and switched his accent to gypsy and started talking around. Ofcourse we did not get offended at all, because we are not what he is claiming we are, but it's not nice.
And, HQ, /accent is meant to encourage roleplaying...tell me how is calling romanians gypsies encouraging roleplays.
But, why HQ has implemented this if you see people MAY get offended? Just to have some fun,right?
Was your post intentionally designed to shit on HQ because you took offense to a word on a game?
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You're all talking drama and shit. Can anyone enlighten me about the purpose of this kind of accent? Is it promoting roleplay? You talk about kids but actually it's veteran players who do it. Go chek the logs, you'll be surprised.
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How hard is it to understand that no one is paying attention to your bs. Come up with something constructive instead, who cares if people call you Chav?
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If I recall there is also a redneck accent, I haven't seen any Americans moaning thus far.
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who cares if people call you Chav?
Isn't it the same thing like saying "Who cares if people call you gipsy?"
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Gypsy accent has nothing to do with Romanians bro. There are gypsy all over Europe, lots of them in Balkan countries.. The fact some people call Romanians gypsies is something completely different.
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A message can only be offensive if the party reading it makes it offensive in their mind, a message online from a stranger holds no merit to even be classed as offensive. Sadly this is the internet and people should really learn to move on and ignore things that "offend" them.
The thing is that as I stated above, it's as offensive as being called a Nazi as a German. Yes, I am aware that the Nazi thing is no way as bad as the Gypsie one, with all the war crimes and other atrocities commited, but it is as offensive to them being called Nazi as it is offensive to us, Romanians, being called gypsies, and I really really hope actions will be taken against this, there's no point in being called names and stuff and things I am not! And not related to! Everytime I reported this, and not only me, no actions were taken. I'm not blaming the Staff or arguing right now, but I really want to make you aware of the fact that it's really really damn offensive to us and we would like at least minimal actions to be taken against this! It's very frustrating..
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Some people get offended too easily..
Just ignore it, if they want use that as a provocation you can easily get away from them.. That's it. If they want to call you that, let them do it. If you get offended feel free to /report..
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How hard is it to understand that no one is paying attention to your bs. Come up with something constructive instead, who cares if people call you Chav?
Just like no one is paying attention to your cries for attention, I would be constructive but this pretty laughable, no one cares that people call me chav, same as no one should care about people calling you gypsy, you choose to cry about it then thats your choice, your just giving the people who do /accent gypsy to offend you ammunition to do it more, it wasn't put in the game to offend you, same as the /accent retarded but that kind of seems suitable now.
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Very. For example, we were three romanians guys infront of LSCH, havin' a talk. Then a guy came, and switched his accent to gypsy and started talking around. Ofcourse we did not get offended at all, because we are not what he is claiming we are, but it's not nice.
And, HQ, /accent is meant to encourage roleplaying...tell me how is calling romanians gypsies encouraging roleplays.
But, why HQ has implemented this if you see people MAY get offended? Just to have some fun,right?
Where did "HQ" encourage people to call romanians gypsy? Where in the script is the /accent romanian gypsy?
How shall we know people will take offense to a script before it is created? Are we mind readers?
You're all talking drama and shit. Can anyone enlighten me about the purpose of this kind of accent? Is it promoting roleplay? You talk about kids but actually it's veteran players who do it. Go chek the logs, you'll be surprised.
I already gave you information regarding that but you chose to ignore everyones message and rather be upset about something on an online game.
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I've already said in the main post that people call romanians "gypsy" daily, I don't have an issue with that at all. I even barely report it because it's not worth it. I'm not paying attention. The fact that this kind of accent is implemented clearly for trolling/provoking and of course zero RP purposes is what made me post this topic.
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I've already said in the main post that people call romanians "gypsy" daily, I don't have an issue with that at all. I even barely report it because it's not worth it. I'm not paying attention. The fact that this kind of accent is implemented is clearly for trolling/provoking, zero RP purposes which made me post this topic.
So does "Redneck and Retarded" accent. They don't bring any kind of roleplay purpose in the server and yet no one is crying about it.
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But, why HQ has implemented this if you see people MAY get offended? Just to have some fun,right?
Maybe HQ expected the community to be mature enough to not get salty for such a thing?
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I've already said in the main post that people call romanians "gypsy" daily, I don't have an issue with that at all. I even barely report it because it's not worth it. I'm not paying attention. The fact that this kind of accent is implemented clearly for trolling/provoking and of course zero RP purposes is what made me post this topic.
It wasn't implemented to provoke nobody, it's for fun. People using it to troll others can always be reported and punished.
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I've already said in the main post that people call romanians "gypsy" daily, I don't have an issue with that at all. I even barely report it because it's not worth it. I'm not paying attention. The fact that this kind of accent is implemented clearly for trolling/provoking and of course zero RP purposes is what made me post this topic.
So you are saying the retarded accent is only for trolling and provoking too? A message can only be provocative if the person takes offense to it. Because it upset you instead of not using the function "gypsy" you will rather call for a removal of it as it could offend people that are too easily offended?
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You are all saying to get over it.
We did,multiple times,didnt even report them.
But now it has crossed the line.
Bring me a German guy, i'll call him nazi,let's see if he gets offended or not.
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You are all saying to get over it.
We did,multiple times,didnt even report them.
But now it has crossed the line.
Bring me a German guy, i'll call him nazi,let's see if he gets offended or not.
How the fuck does that make sense in your mind? Did a gypsy go murder hundreds of thousands of people of a specific religion? So that's why you're so offended by it?
Bring up the nazi bullshit and I will personally remove you from the server.
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It is offensive but if I'm not paying attention that doesn't mean that I'm not being offended. You say it's for "fun" but it's not funny at all. I don't see how making fun of gypsies is amusing you.
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How the fuck does that make sense in your mind? Did a gypsy go murder hundreds of thousands of people of a specific religion? So that's why you're so offended by it?
Bring up the nazi bullshit and I will personally remove you from the server.
You're right. My bad, I apologise. Maybe I took these 'jokes' too serious. It's not like I like it, but, I'll go over it
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It is offensive but if I'm not paying attention that doesn't mean that I'm not being offended. You say it's for "fun" but it's not funny at all. I don't see how making fun of gypsies is amusing you.
How is the script designed to make fun of gypsies? Are you honestly going to say a person is not able to roleplay being a gypsy?
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How is the script designed to make fun of gypsies? Are you honestly going to say a person is not able to roleplay being a gypsy?
Yep. If I would see people roleplaying it instead of trolling I wouldn't "moan" about it right now. You don't understand the meaning of gypsy here and that's not the problem but you just give people more ways to troll. That's what you want?
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I don't see how making fun of gypsies is amusing you.
Who's making fun of the gypsies? Just because there's an accent added for them means we laugh at them?
Every script is made for everyone to have fun, nevertheless people tends to cross the line between the fun and troll, but you know very well what happens to the people that do such things.
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Yep. If I would see people roleplaying it instead of trolling I wouldn't "moan" about it right now. You don't understand the meaning of gypsy here and that's not the problem but you just give people more ways to troll. That's what you want?
You may be right, I may not understand why or how people can take offense to a word that does not even relate to them. However what I can relate to are the racial jokes and discrimination that comes along with living in Africa as well as the nonsense from ignorant parties assuming every person in africa is black. Hell people even joke about water in africa and living in a mud hut. Have I gone and removed them from the server because it is essentially harassment? No, I make a joke of it, find it amusing and move on instead of finding things online offensive and taking the bullshit personally.
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there is a retarded accent?
Like wtf?
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You may be right, I may not understand why or how people can take offense to a word that does not even relate to them. However what I can relate to are the racial jokes and discrimination that comes along with living in Africa as well as the nonsense from ignorant parties assuming every person in africa is black. Hell people even joke about water in africa and living in a mud hut. Have I gone and removed them from the server because it is essentially harassment? No, I make a joke of it, find it amusing and move on instead of finding things online offensive and taking the bullshit personally.
I doubt that you wish to encourage troll instead of roleplay. Okay, I'm taking it personally but imagine new players, joining from Romania and willing to play on the server are being welcomed by someone using /accent gypsy? I tell you what, he will probably start insulting. That's what you wish to happen? I doubt it, Devin.
My point is, keep the /accent for roleplay purposes not to provoke/offend other players.
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In a neutral point of view, I do understand Jeremy and his Romanian buddies. As a Swede - where the immigration has reached quite hilarious amounts of beings - if you're a gypsy, you're most likely to be connected to Romania or Bulgaria. You are quite often just connecting the gypsies and Romanians by normal standard and that's all there is. If I think of a "Swedish" gypsy, I think of Romania, right away, begging outside the supermarket with a cup in their hand.
But the most relevant question is this:
How the frisbee macaroni do you speak with an accent of a gypsy?
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Since people find this portion of the accent script too offensive to be within the server I'll speak with teddy about removing that specific accent tomorrow. Ideally people misusing the script could have been reported but let's just remove it.
Keep in mind people do play on the server to have fun, not to be totally strict permanently.
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Let's remove every script then since people can be offended by everything
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Let's remove every script then since people can be offended by everything
Compromise must be made at times to please others.
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The gypsy accent is totally illogical since there's no accent to refer to. If it was a Romanian gypsy accent, or an Irish gypsy accent, the accent itself would be more logical. But having it like it was some sort of general gypsy accent, who can be from Asia to America, I am having a hard time imagining the "accent" of it anyhow.
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If we had used Romanian gypsy for an accent there would have been bigger issues which is why it was logically not added.
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Since people find this portion of the accent script too offensive to be within the server I'll speak with teddy about removing that specific accent tomorrow.
Why remove it? Just add the Romanian accent aswell. :rolleyes:
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Gypsy
noun
1.
a member of a travelling people with dark skin and hair, traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.
This. This was never intended to be used or seen as something offensively. However if you need a tampon, I'm sure Bruce can lend you one.