Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Axison on January 20, 2016, 04:38:23 am
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Good Morning, Fellas.
Never though't i'd actually come to this conclusion of building my own PC. For a long time, i've been researching in hopes to find a good and suitable laptop for about $500-$550(still in search, if i find one, will probably switch(hardly likely as i haven't found anything). Anyhow, I've researched very briefly upon what parts make a good rig. Lets get to it then.
My Budget:
Minimum - $500
Maximum - $550 - $600(Extreme Max)
My Researched and Decided Parts:
CPU - AMD FX-6300 - $99.99
Motherboard - ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 - $55.42
GPU - EVGA GTX 960 - $239.57
RAM - Crucial Ballistix 8GB - $37.99
PSU - EVGA 500W 80PLUS - $39.99
CASE(Probably going to change this) - VIVO ATX MID TOWER - $38.99
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Grand Total(With Tax) - $524.00
I'm fairly new to all this PC building thing so i'll require some assistance in choosing parts and even in the assembly. I'm on a tight budget so i can't buy anything too expensive. Please leave your suggestions and opinions on what i should change and what i shouldn't and how good of a performance/quality will the parts i mentioned above give.
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If you can afford to drop the few extra dollars on the GTX 970 I would highly recommend going that route. Otherwise, within budget this isn't too terribly bad. I would stress ensuring you put an SSD drive and not relying on an external drive, you'll notice huge performance implications if you use an external to run your OS as well as performance intensive games. Cooling is going to be a big factor in how well you PC runs down the road, as the machine heats up performance begins to suffer. If you can't afford to go liquid cooling off the bat with your CPU, I would highly recommend at the very least upgrading your heatsink until you can afford to put liquid cooling in your machine, I wouldn't recommend using the CPU manufactured heatsink as it is not necessarily built for hardcore gaming.
Some may have some differing opinions based on products, but for the budget you've set forth this is pretty decent from my viewpoint. I'm a little concerned with a 500W power supply, but that's from my own personal experience where I had to upgrade to a 750W unit, but my 500W may have been a flawed unit, I don't mind having the extra power regardless, the Gold standard you have should most likely do the trick. Personally, I prefer to utilize more than 8gb of RAM (I have 16gb), although I've heard countless stories that 8gb will do the trick, but if you intend to play more graphic intensive games other than GTA you may want to look at that down the road. Motherboard wise, I honestly don't know too much to leave any valuable feedback so someone else will have to do that for you. Ultimately building your PC for the first time is a scary process, believe me I just did the same thing, but it's completely worth it. The PC I have now would cost me at least twice as much if it were factory built, rather than me doing it myself with trial and error of course. Good luck, I know there are some others here that know way more than I do about this type of stuff so I'm sure collectively we'll be able to steer you in the right direction.
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I'm not to sure about the GTX 970, i'll try if i can chip that. At the very moment, getting liquid cooling is something i can afford until later. IF you have any heat sink's in mind(considering my budget) for the CPU provided, please share.
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If you can afford to drop the few extra dollars on the GTX 970 I would highly recommend going that route. Otherwise, within budget this isn't too terribly bad. I would stress ensuring you put an SSD drive and not relying on an external drive, you'll notice huge performance implications if you use an external to run your OS as well as performance intensive games.
It's true, having SSD installed will boost your PC 20x faster, i would recommend you to add budget for buying SSD. powerful CPU without SSD will give you lack of performance. Please consider it once again
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Liquid cooling is not necessary, there are many great air coolers on the market that are cheap and will do the job just great (Hyper 212 Evo, some be quiet! ones). I do suggest going with aftermarket cooler for noise and better temperatures (Hyper 212 Evo is quite cheap).
8GB of RAM is plenty, games do not use that much RAM, unless you are heavily multitasking. Power supply is also enough. Case and motherboard are just matter of personal choice - what features you want/need and the price. Looking at the CPU - If you are sticking with AMD platform, go with GTX 960. Or if your budget allows, look at i5-4460 and/or maybe a R9 280x (this is slightly faster than 960).
EDIT - What games do you play and at what resolution? Maybe a good Intel dual-core can even fit you.
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Liquid cooling is not necessary, there are many great air coolers on the market that are cheap and will do the job just great (Hyper 212 Evo, some be quiet! ones). I do suggest going with aftermarket cooler for noise and better temperatures (Hyper 212 Evo is quite cheap).
8GB of RAM is plenty, games do not use that much RAM, unless you are heavily multitasking. Power supply is also enough. Case and motherboard are just matter of personal choice - what features you want/need and the price. Looking at the CPU - If you are sticking with AMD platform, go with GTX 960. Or if your budget allows, look at i5-4460 and/or maybe a R9 280x (this is slightly faster than 960).
EDIT - What games do you play and at what resolution? Maybe a good Intel dual-core can even fit you.
Hmm, I'll reply with some feedback on what you said in a bit. But to answer your last question. I'm looking to play games like GTA V, GTA SA(with or without enb)... Arma II/III, The Divison(although system requirements haven't been released) on relatively high settings on.. 1920x1080 resolution.
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It's true, having SSD installed will boost your PC 20x faster, i would recommend you to add budget for buying SSD. powerful CPU without SSD will give you lack of performance. Please consider it once again
I will think about purchasing an SSD later down the road.
@Janar I looked at the Hyber 212 evo and i am fairly confident that i can afford it. However, i've read the reviews on the the FX-6300 and people seem to fairly comfortable with its performance. Is there a reason why i should be purchasing a different heatsink? Can i try out the default heatsink that comes with the FX-6300 and then later on(if i'm not satisfied) buy a different one?
Also, according to the list of games i mentioned. Will the GTX 960 be able handle those games? I don't mind saving up a little extra for the GTX 970 but the price difference is quite high(although no alot). And one last question, the motherboard i provided, will it be able to fit all the parts mentioned(besides the case)?
Sorry if i'm asking a shit load of questions, as said i'm really not experienced with this area of computers.
Thanks once again.
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@Janar I looked at the Hyber 212 evo and i am fairly confident that i can afford it. However, i've read the reviews on the the FX-6300 and people seem to fairly comfortable with its performance. Is there a reason why i should be purchasing a different heatsink? Can i try out the default heatsink that comes with the FX-6300 and then later on(if i'm not satisfied) buy a different one?
Yep, can be done. Though the reason why I would go for Intel, is the possibility of upgrading in the future. On AMD platform you are quite limited, though with Intel, you will have to pay slightly more now (which might go over your budget). (You can try looking at i5-4460 and a H97/H87 motherboard, the performance boost could be a major one).
Also, according to the list of games i mentioned. Will the GTX 960 be able handle those games? I don't mind saving up a little extra for the GTX 970 but the price difference is quite high(although no alot).
Are you looking at the 2GB or 4GB version? GTA:V performance is shown
4GB version http://www.legitreviews.com/evga-geforce-gtx-960-ssc-4gb-video-card-review_172290/5
2GB version http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-geforce-gtx-960-gaming-2g,4194.html
And one last question, the motherboard i provided, will it be able to fit all the parts mentioned(besides the case)?
Yes.
EDIT: Do share the exact model of the PSU, need to check the connectors.
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@Janar
GPU (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012NOWERC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
MOTHERBOARD (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DQO9L1Q?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_3&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
PSU (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H33SFJU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_4&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
CPU (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O7YORK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_5&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
RAM (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006WAGGUK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_3&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
About the CPU, the i5 isn't exactly in my budget at the very moment. I'd rather get started with a build and later think about upgrading by the time i'll have enough to save for an upgrade and give my older parts to my brother.
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I'm not to sure about the GTX 970, i'll try if i can chip that. At the very moment, getting liquid cooling is something i can afford until later. IF you have any heat sink's in mind(considering my budget) for the CPU provided, please share.
GTX 970 if you can afford it. Liquid cooling is unnecessary for the type of build you're looking at, even stock cooler will do the trick at the moment as you can always upgrade in the future.
As for the CPU, I do not recommend AMD at all, I hate the brand and its unreliable performance.
Regarding your PSU, 500W is plenty however you might even be able to lower the wattage (depending on what kind of upgrades you actually want to have in the future).
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PSU has right connectors and wattage is just on safe side (slightly more than you will most of the time use).
Considering Intel platform is out of the budget (dual-core won't be enough for GTA:V), I can't think of any other suggestions at this moment.
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Is it possible to upgrade to Intel later on? or is that not even a possibility.
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Is it possible to upgrade to Intel later on? or is that not even a possibility.
By purchasing a new motherboard and CPU (and maybe RAM, depending on the choices).
If you would go for Intel platform now, for example getting a LGA1150 or 1151 or older 1155 motherboard with a lower processor (AFAIK GTA:V doesn't get along well with dual-cores, so i5 would be a minimal), you can just upgrade the CPU in the future. i5-3470 is minimal recommended by Rockstar, can check it's price.
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By purchasing a new motherboard and CPU (and maybe RAM, depending on the choices).
If you would go for Intel platform now, for example getting a LGA1150 or 1151 or older 1155 motherboard with a lower processor (AFAIK GTA:V doesn't get along well with dual-cores, so i5 would be a minimal), you can just upgrade the CPU in the future. i5-3470 is minimal recommended by Rockstar, can check it's price.
So basically, if i go with the AMD, i'll have to stick with it until i get a new motherboard? You can't just switch CPU's?
I can't afford Intel so i'll just have to go with AMD.
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So basically, if i go with the AMD, i'll have to stick with it until i get a new motherboard? You can't just switch CPU's?
Unless the new motherboard you're going to buy supports both AMD and Intel (I don't know if there's any, I believe not).
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So basically, if i go with the AMD, i'll have to stick with it until i get a new motherboard? You can't just switch CPU's?
I can't afford Intel so i'll just have to go with AMD.
You can upgrade to any CPU that uses same socket and supports that chipset. With that motherboard, you could (theoretically) upgrade to FX-8350, though the gain is not that much. With Intel platform, the numbers are different due to Intel's single-core performance being way higher (which is preferred for games, not extra cores).
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Is the Fx-6300 suitable for what games i provided? I'll probably switch to intel with a new motherboard, i need to get started with building a rig for now.
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It's a lot of money changing platform and CPUs. Think it through or you will be over paying way too much on a system that probably isn't even worth the amount you put in. Save your pennies and do it right the first time.
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Aight so i've taken your suggestions and this what i came up with(although this is wayy higher than my said budget).
CPU - Intel Core i5-4460 LGA 1150 CPU - BX80646I54460
GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX 970(Let me know if the 960 with this current setup is enough)
PSU - Same
RAM - Same
Motherboard - Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel H97
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Grand Total(with tax) - $754.57
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Yup, it's compatible. I did some research - FX-6300 would have been a slight bottleneck with 960 and quite major one with 970.
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You could always try to go with a last gen higher end GPU to save some money, I think a GTX 770 would be just about the same as a 960 or maybe even cheaper.
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496$
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pFHwRB
CPU:AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor
Motherboard:MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard
Memory:Mushkin ECO2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage:Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card:EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Superclocked Video Card
Case:Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply:EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply
You can change the motherboard for a better one.
The case has front 3.0 header+ window side panel.
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496$
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pFHwRB
CPU:AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor
Motherboard:MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard
Memory:Mushkin ECO2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage:Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card:EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Superclocked Video Card
Case:Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply:EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply
You can change the motherboard for a better one.
The case has front 3.0 header+ window side panel.
You can upgrade the gpu to better ones in almost the same price range.
AMD r9 380 (better) , AMD r9 280x(best performace of them all)
The range about 200$.
If you want a better cpu you can choose 8320, 8350, but remember get a better motherboard if you want to overlock. Also get a cpu cooler if planning to overclock.
Expect to have 1080p monitor, since having a 4k monitor isn't great with these GPU`s.
Also you can do your homework , of checking if the video card you choose isn't longer than the space inside the case, so you wont have any issues.
Before you buy many fans, check how many fan headers your motherboard has, and if changing motherboard check if it has 3.0 header, since the case has 3.0 usb on FPC(front panel connectors)
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I3 skylake build. (520$)
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zF36kL
Having a ssd only helps you in booting fast, and using apps faster.
But doesnt increase fps in games.
So i dont recommend it.
Get in price of a ssd, keyboard +mouse +monitor.
Dont waste your money on ssd. useless.
This build has 4gb r9 380, its way better than gtx 960 4gb.
The i3 here is hyper threading (4 logical core) much better than fx 8320e(not over clocked)
I recommend this build.
if you want a strong build that you only have to upgrade gpu in the future then go for a strong cpu.
this cpu is fine but dont expect it to do well with a Titan x maybe or a 980 ti.
Edit: you can get an r9 280x for few bucks more, but you will have to change the power supply to 750w which will cost more. also r9 280x has 3gb vram.
Also remember r9 280x has cooling issues,and its not efficient+ uses more power, but has a better performance than r9 380.
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I3 skylake build. (520$)
Only a retard would take an I3 processor for gaming lol.
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$600 pc is not worth it.
I avoided posting this earlier but I think I just need to say it...
If you're looking to build a DECENT gaming build which will last for 5 years at-least, then you should invest a bit more.
Avoid an SSD if you can actually wait 5 seconds for the computer to load. It'll save you a bit on money.
Spend on a decent graphic card instead om something that may become obsolete sooner.
Invest in a decent processor.
With computers, you really get what you pay for. If you invest enough then you will have many years of happy usage.
My friend, you can save up some more. It is better to save up than not spending what you should have and having many years of regrets or trouble.
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$600 pc is not worth it.
I avoided posting this earlier but I think I just need to say it...
If you're looking to build a DECENT gaming build which will last for 5 years at-least, then you should invest a bit more.
Avoid an SSD if you can actually wait 5 seconds for the computer to load. It'll save you a bit on money.
Spend on a decent graphic card instead om something that may become obsolete sooner.
Invest in a decent processor.
With computers, you really get what you pay for. If you invest enough then you will have many years of happy usage.
My friend, you can save up some more. It is better to save up than not spending what you should have and having many years of regrets or trouble.
With the parts i mentioned above, i think if i include the case and the hardrive it easily ramps up to about 800$.And according to the feedback i received from people here and elsewhere, i think the build i'm about to go ahead with is pretty decent.
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Only a retard would take an I3 processor for gaming lol.
People on tight budget would, and it's efficient enough :)
AMD AM3+
Motherboard: Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 / Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 (rev. 6.0)
CPU: FX-8320E / FX-6300
Intel 1150
Motherboard: Asus Z97-P (1150) / Asrock Z97 Anniversary (1150)
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 (1150) / Intel Core i5-4590 (1150)
Intel 1151
Motherboard: Asus Z170-P / Gigabyte Z170-HD3P
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 / Intel Core i5-6400
RAM: 4GB / 8GB Kingston ValueRam (cheap & good)
PSU: Anything 500w/600w but good brand. (Ex; Corsair, ThermalTake, CoolerMaster, XFX, EVGA)
HDD: In my country 500gb to 1tb is like 10 euros difference, up to your budget, save for an SSD later.
Case: For budget you do not mind the appearance, but the fans.
Fill the prices on those, because I have no idea where you shop/live or what you can find.
In Greece; following components I gave you earlier that'd be;
Asus Z170-P > 125Euros
Intel Core i5-6400 Box > 200Euros
Kingston 4GB DDR3-1333MHz (KVR13N9S8/4) > 20Euros
Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB > 45Euros
Corsair VS Series VS550 80Plus > 50Euros
<440 Euros until now>
Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 4GB > 230 Euros
+Case + DVD = total of 700 Euros.
You can always go with AMD Build which comes better to budget.