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How much better is a GTX 970(£268) than a GTX 960(£176)? The price range between the two is f**king huge and so I'd rather get the 960 if it really is a decent GPU...
I'm noticing some huge performance issues on games nowadays with my current PC which I've had since 2012, not surprising though, it's got a GTX 650 which I think is being bottle necked by the CPU...
Expect more questions! :gand:
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If your current GTX 650 is being bottleneck'd you'd rather fix that with some OC or CPU Upgrade other than upgrading your graphics!
Back in summer before I bought the AMD Bulldozer, I bought a MSI GTX 960 to pair with my then overclocked Q6600.. Guess what.. GTX was running around 15-20% while CPU was 100% and there were laaaaaaaaaaaaagspikes everywhere.
For me, it's worth the money.. Keep in mind that it's what you pay that you get. If you wanna hold for much longer then sure GTX 970.
(GTX 960>128bit.. GTX 970>256bit! Although I am not sure if the issue with it's 3,5+0.5GB Vram is fixed in any version)
And then again, if I were you I'd go for R9 380-390 but that's just me loving AMD haha.
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Well I'm talking about a building completely new PC, I'll just stick my current one in the cupboard for future generations to laugh at.
What's these problems with the GTX 960 Vram you speak of? Whatever Vram is... :rolleyes:
I've just read about the GTX 960 only having 2GB being a problem, is it really though?
Cheers!
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Both GPUs (970 and 960) offer about the same price per FPS, however the cheaper 960's only have 2GB of VRAM, which is rather low nowadays, not enough to play GTA V with max textures unless you like massive stuttering / lag spikes / slowdowns, and many games use more than 2GB nowadays.
I'd recommend to either pay a bit more and get the cheapest 960 with 4GB of VRAM you can find, at the cost of a worse price per FPS ratio, or just spend a bit more and go with the 970, which has a better price per FPS ratio than the 4GB versions of the 960.
Please note that a 4GB 960 won't really increase your FPS in benchmarks, but it WILL get rid of stuttering issues that you might encounter in some games AND enable you to increase some settings even higher (such as textures) without massive slowdowns that would otherwise happen in the 2GB version of the card.
The 3.5+0.5GB "issue" isn't nearly as bad as many AMD fanboys will make you think, and it is still much better than having a 2GB 960 - because these 2GB will run out very fast in recent games.
R9 380 is a solid competitor against the GTX 960, and the R9 390 is also a solid competitor against the 970. R9 380 has more or less the same performance as a 960, for about the same price. Same thing happens with the R9 390 vs the GTX 970. In some games the AMD cards may win, in others the NVIDIA cards win. The difference between them used to be a little bigger, but in 2016 both sides have had many driver updates and so the performance between eachother is closer, and the differences are not so big. Again, in some games a 960 might win against a r9 380 and a 970 might win against a r9 390; and in other games, a r9 380 might win against a 960 and a r9 390 might win against a 970. It's up to you to check what games you're going to play and see their benchmarks to see which side "wins".
In terms of power consumption, R9 380 vs GTX 960 and R9 390 vs GTX 970 aren't too different - AMD may require a little bit more power overall (although I think the 960 did consume a little bit more than the R9 380... didn't check) but it's nothing worth stressing out like some NVIDIA fanboys like to say in their favor.
All in all, I think it comes down to which side you prefer to be, and which features do you like the most:
NVIDIA has for example Shadowplay, which is faster than AMD's GVR, since it only takes about 1-2% of a performance hit, while AMD side takes about a 6-8% performance hit, and it also has a vertical resolution limit of 1080 pixels, so you won't be able to record at proper 1440p, 4K, etc. This, of course, is only relevant if you like to record videos while playing.
Then there's PhysX, which is also for NVIDIA, but only a few games use it. So it's not really a must-have or a deciding feature, unless you have these games that use it and you really really really like the effects that it produces. You can still have these PhysX effects on AMD cards, but it will use the CPU instead, which will result in lower FPS if you have these effects enabled.
NVIDIA also has CUDA, which is useful in some programs, such as Premiere Pro (video editing), basically offering you faster video previewing, some faster effects rendering, etc, that may make your workflow faster. But so far in games, I've only seen Just Cause 2 use it, for a water effect.
Finally, NVIDIA also has GameWorks, which is kind of a "replacement" for PhysX, in some way, allowing you to have exclusive fancy game effects, and G-Sync which is monitor related.
On the AMD side you have TressFX instead of PhysX, although not many games use it either (I think even less than PhysX), you also have FreeSync and supposedly better DirectX 12 support, although we still don't have many DX 12 games at all so we don't know how will that play out. There's also FreeSync, which is AMD's answer to NVIDIA's G-Sync. They're more or less the same thing, I think AMD FreeSync might be better than NVIDIA G-Sync, but I do not have enough knowledge on that, as I don't have a monitor that supports such thing - I very much prefer strobing backlights since it gives me a sharper image (reduces LCD "blurry trail" effect), but that does not require any specific GPU.
Anyway, this post turned out to be way longer than I expected - do whatever you want with this information.
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Thanks for the help guys, that was a very good read Rid, honestly I think I'm moving more towards the Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UJLDVJC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=I25TPV43QK2PB3&psc=1) (if you guys could let me know wether it'd be a good choice or not), I could really push for the GTX 970 but I'm not happy with the price, sure you get what you pay for, but I'm just looking for something that will allow me to play alot of games at medium (to high if I can) quality as I'm not a major graphics freak, now I'm onto CPU... If you guys think that the GTX 960 I posted above is good, what CPU would go nicely with it? Obviously something that will avoid any bottle necks and run nice and smoothly.
One more thing I'm confused about is water cooling, it sounds too complex for me and I'd be worried about it bursting a leak since my computer is left on alot even when I'm not using it, and in what ways can water cooling be used? For example, could I just water cool the CPU and have everything else cooling off normal fans? And how difficult is water cooling to install? If it's too much or would seem silly for a mid-range price build then I'm happy to leave it out and go with fans.
Thanks for the help!
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What exactly is the difference between these two? (apart from the price). :D
Gigabyte Nvidia Gtx 960 Windforce 2 OC PCI-E Graphics Card
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Nvidia-Windforce-PCI-E-Graphics/dp/B00SKTF83W/ref=sr_1_10?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455498897&sr=1-10&keywords=GTX+960
Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Strix Direct CU II
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UJLDVJC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=I25TPV43QK2PB3&psc=1
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The Gigabyte 960 only has 2GB of VRAM and slightly lower core clock, which means slightly lower FPS. The 2GB of VRAM may give you issues as stated above.
The Asus 960 has 4GB of VRAM and slihgtly higher core clock when compared to Gigabyte one, which means slightly higher FPS.
They also have different output choices:
Gigabyte:
(http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/3/5373/20150121143436_big.png)
However you can't use all of them at the same time, the layout below will explain what outputs you use at the same time, if you plan on using more than one monitor:
(http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/overview/4788/img/flex_display.png)
Asus:
(https://www.asus.com/media/global/products/kprZXjJQpngtY9A7/EUi2SlGprzgCMZYx_setting_fff_1_90_end_500.png)
As you can see, it's pretty much like Gigabyte's second layout choice.
If I had to choose between these two, I'd personally go for the Asus 960, since it has 4GB of VRAM which plays a big role nowadays, as many games already go over 2GB.
I am not experienced on water cooling as all my builds so far were on air, so hopefully someone else will clear that out for you.
CPU wise, you have plenty of choices. You could go for Skylake or the slightly older Haswell, etc (if you go the Intel way). It all depends on your budget. I do not know enough about AMD CPUs so I cannot make any suggestions on that.
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The core clocks don't mean shit due to GPU Boost 2.0 going above it anyway depending on how good the cooler on the GPU is.
In regards to GPU choice. 2GB VRAM won't cut it in today's games and the 960 is kind of a entry level low tier card. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't able to properly run the next games coming end 2016 and just end up eating your invested money away.
Some clarification towards the 4GB VRAM issue on the GTX970.
https://youtu.be/jPlCIUh_Tp0?t=35s
Probably the best explanation regarding it.
If you're going for the 900 series line up there's basically only 2 cards to choose from when it comes to price to performance ratio and those are the GTX 970 and GTX 980Ti.
As for CPU, go with an i5-4690k or 4690 if you don't plan on overclocking.
In terms of cooling, I do have experience with water cooling. It's not hard to install unless you want to go completely overkill like I did :lol:, AIO liquid coolers are pretty reliable these days especially if you choose a trusted brand like Corsair.
But anyway, water cooling is a bit unnecessary especially if you don't plan on (major)overclocking, put your money into a good air cooler instead.
But it all depends on the budget which would be easier for me to configure an entire system for you.
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The core clocks do mean shit, while not as game-deciding as it was back when there was no GPU Boost technology, it still plays a role together with the cooling as you mentioned. There's a reason people can still OC without changing temp, power & voltage limits.
I do admit that the difference is very minimal between these two 960 models, probably not even 2-3fps of a difference, but higher is higher.
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I'll file in a question aswell, I'm about to build a PC aswell since my Asus RoG laptop is a year old and I want a stationery one aswell, currently I've been looking at GTX 960, 970 or 980, which one should I go with if I'm going for the best one (prices are not an issue :D) And if I'm only are going to use it for gaming and nothing else, should I go with i5 or? (Laptop got i7)
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I'll file in a question aswell, I'm about to build a PC aswell since my Asus RoG laptop is a year old and I want a stationery one aswell, currently I've been looking at GTX 960, 970 or 980, which one should I go with if I'm going for the best one (prices are not an issue :D)
980 Ti($600ish) is the best out there, smashes Titans and 980s alike.
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Ok so I'm pretty much 100% decided on going for the Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 due to the 4GB VRAM and the affordable price (£180), I prefer staying with Nvidia due to 'Geforce Experience' which I really like for it's simplicity, and then there's the PhysX which a game or two I play on uses, not forgetting Shadow Play which I also use quite a bit.
I remember having an AMD GPU on an older computer a couple years ago, sure alot has changed since then, but AMD always seemed a bit clunky to me, don't know why...
So now that I've decided on the Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960, what CPU would go nicely? Keep in mind I might upgrade from the 960 in the distant future and so a CPU that can handle a decent upgrade of the GPU (say, to the 980) would be good, and if that's too costly, then what would just work nicely together with the 960 alone? I'm all for saving money on this build whilst getting a big performance leap from what I'm currently using... Dat GTX 650. :lol:
Thanks!
I'll file in a question aswell, I'm about to build a PC aswell since my Asus RoG laptop is a year old and I want a stationery one aswell, currently I've been looking at GTX 960, 970 or 980, which one should I go with if I'm going for the best one (prices are not an issue :D) And if I'm only are going to use it for gaming and nothing else, should I go with i5 or? (Laptop got i7)
r u srs? If price is not an issue then of course you go for the 980 right? :lol:
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I'm stumped on computer cases... I have 2 I like so far.
1:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91JKJcA597L._SL1500_.jpg)
2:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61uFS1f13iL._SL1200_.jpg)
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I'll file in a question aswell, I'm about to build a PC aswell since my Asus RoG laptop is a year old and I want a stationery one aswell, currently I've been looking at GTX 960, 970 or 980, which one should I go with if I'm going for the best one (prices are not an issue :D) And if I'm only are going to use it for gaming and nothing else, should I go with i5 or? (Laptop got i7)
None from those. 980 Ti with a custom PCB and cooler (EVGA Kingpin card is weirdly overpriced, don't look there).
Personally I am getting EVGA 980 Ti Classified, but I can also recommend Gigabyte and MSI cards.
'Geforce Experience' which I really like for it's simplicity
Gave me quite some troubles, but I enjoy Shadowplay and automatic game settings detection. :D
So now that I've decided on the Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960, what CPU would go nicely? Keep in mind I might upgrade from the 960 in the distant future and so a CPU that can handle a decent upgrade of the GPU (say, to the 980) would be good, and if that's too costly, then what would just work nicely together with the 960 alone? I'm all for saving money on this build whilst getting a big performance leap from what I'm currently using... Dat GTX 650. :lol:
i5-6600k.
I'm stumped on computer cases... I have 2 I like so far.
1:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91JKJcA597L._SL1500_.jpg)
2:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61uFS1f13iL._SL1200_.jpg)
This pretty much comes down to your personal taste as long as all parts fit inside :P
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Alright thanks, I will look into the i5-6600k!
Also found another case which I like...
I'm stuck on wether to get black/blue or white/black... :rolleyes:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00NZI69JU?colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=I3HT2W9D3F97YY&psc=1&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl
This one also looks perfect for what I want, could probably fit a small liquid cooler (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CW-9060015-WW-Performance-Liquid-Cooler/dp/B00FZHWFEW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455569887&sr=8-1&keywords=small+CPU+radiator) on the back for cooling the CPU (removing the stock rear fan) and then have 2 intakes on the front with an exhaust fan on the top, sounds good to me atleast.
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IMO single fan radiators are not worth it. They perform about the same or worse than cheaper, yet better, air coolers (Hyper 212 Evo, NH-D14/15, be quiet! etc). Aesthetics is another story though. If you are looking for some real cooling, either go with 240 or 280 all-in-one liquid cooler.
I personally use H110i GT, though it is on rather loud side. I would recommend a NZXT Kraken x61, if you're willing to go with 280mm (2x 140mm) radiator.
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I'll file in a question aswell, I'm about to build a PC aswell since my Asus RoG laptop is a year old and I want a stationery one aswell, currently I've been looking at GTX 960, 970 or 980, which one should I go with if I'm going for the best one (prices are not an issue :D) And if I'm only are going to use it for gaming and nothing else, should I go with i5 or? (Laptop got i7)
980Ti. If it's pure gaming go with an i5 as well unless money isn't an issue.
I personally use H110i GT, though it is on rather loud side.
I use the same one and I don't find it loud unless I turn on turbo jet engine mode with the 4 fans which to me sounds badass 24 degree peformance.
Also if you're using headphones, who cares about loudness right?
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I just found this gorgeous looking thing...
(http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/9683.jpg)
Sorry, I love looks just as much as functionality. :D
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Trust me on this one, use the extra bucks and get a 970 than the 960. I made the mistake to buy a 960 and then later I upgraded to a 970 card.
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Well I just realised that the CPU is going to cost me about £180, so I'm going to stick with the 4GB GTX 960, (which one did you have Omri?), I'm also going to forget liquid cooling completely, after looking into it, it seems there's just alot of fan boys who brag about having water cooled computers and how great they are, but in reality, air cooling is just as good if not better in some cases.
Still not 100% sure on what CPU will go with the 4GB GTX 960, and what CPU air cooler I should get for it... :rolleyes:
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Well I just realised that the CPU is going to cost me about £180, so I'm going to stick with the 4GB GTX 960, (which one did you have Omri?), I'm also going to forget liquid cooling completely, after looking into it, it seems there's just alot of fan boys who brag about having water cooled computers and how great they are, but in reality, air cooling is just as good if not better in some cases.
Still not 100% sure on what CPU will go with the 4GB GTX 960, and what CPU air cooler I should get for it... :rolleyes:
I totally go after the powerful Intel i5 4690K and if you want a pretty decent air cooler go for the Hyper Evo 212. Worth every penny and does the trick pretty good!
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Ok so...
GPU: Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Strix Direct CU II, 4GB VRAM
CPU: Intel i5 4690 Quad Core CPU, 3.50 GHz, 6 MB Cache, 84 W
Motherboard: ?? :D
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How come the GHz on the Intel i5 4690 is only 3.5? It's 4.0 on my current computer with an AMD FX-4100, and I was told even that bottle necks my GTX 650... :uhm:
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Ok so...
GPU: Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Strix Direct CU II, 4GB VRAM
CPU: Intel i5 4690 Quad Core CPU, 3.50 GHz, 6 MB Cache, 84 W
Motherboard: ?? :D
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How come the GHz on the Intel i5 4690 is only 3.5? It's 4.0 on my current computer with an AMD FX-4100, and I was told even that bottle necks my GTX 650... :uhm:
It's not all about GHz. Architecture plays a vital role.
https://youtu.be/FPks89DvOms https://youtu.be/LKxzYFU5a_U
As for your motherboard, as long as it's Asus you can't go wrong.
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Imho if you're going for a 4690 (non-K) then most cheap motherboards will do, be it Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock, Asus, etc, as you're probably not going to overclock it. And because of that, the boxed cooler will do just fine - but if you buy the version without the cooler, then just get something like a Hyper TX3, cheap and it's more than what you'll need if you don't plan in overclocking.
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Well I don't know the difference between the k and not the k... :rolleyes:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-4690K-Processor-LGA1150-Socket/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455582980&sr=1-1&keywords=Intel+i5+4690
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Cache-Graphics-Technology-Socket/dp/B00K5J2252/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455582980&sr=1-2&keywords=Intel+i5+4690
Honestly I want it to look good since I'll be buying a case with a clear side panel, don't really want an ugly stock CPU fan. :D
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Well the K just gives you the ability to overclock the CPU :)
Always good to have that option in the future, I just got water cooling in my machine and planning to play a bit with overclocking when the time is for it.
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Alright thanks, I'll get the K then as I'll probably need to over clock in the future if I don't want to upgrade the whole thing again, now I'm onto memory and such I guess, another thing I have no idea about, what's this about SSD's? Is it good to have them?
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Hell yes. My computer boots to a completely usable state in less than 13 seconds, counting since I press the power button, and half of that time is not even Windows loading. If I had a higher end motherboard it'd probably be even a little faster.
SSDs are just much faster than traditional hard drives - and more expensive. It makes loading/opening programs & games much faster. It does NOT make the actual games faster (FPS remain the same), but it will reduce loading times and in open world games such as GTA V (the "pop in" effect when loading the world objects around you) and improve your overall PC experience, provided you have your operating system installed in it.
If you don't have a lot of money, perhaps it's best to stay away from SSDs and leave that for a future upgrade - for example, if I had to choose between a SSD + HDD + GTX 960 combo or a HDD + 970 combo, i'd definitely go with the last one since that'd give me a lot more FPS in games, and then later get a SSD.
After all SSD technology is still evolving, so in a year or so we'll probably get much better choices for the same price, while HDDs aren't evolving that fast.
Most people who have SSDs also have HDDs for storage, because SSDs, like I previously mentioned, are significantly more expensive.
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You should get a SSD if you ask me too :).
I have 120 and that is enough for me as I have a second one that I just took from a laptop and wupti 500 GB extra.
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(http://i.imgur.com/NRo4CSe.png)
I just looked at a video called SSD's vs HDD's and wow, the difference in loading speed is amazing, I do want an SSD but I'm trying to save money, so I'll just go with the HDD, I don't mind waiting for 10 seconds for now, will upgrade to an SSD in the future.
Also, can someone tell me what System Reserved (F:) is, I don't recall having 2 HDD's... :rolleyes:
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SSHD's seem good, and they are more affordable.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST1000DX001-Hybrid-Internal-Solid/dp/B00ELAVIQ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455614115&sr=8-1&keywords=1TB+internal+SSHD
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System reserved is your Windows Boot Manager partition, it shouldnt be mounted normally.. You could go in disk management and unmount its letter so it wont show up.
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I totally go after the powerful Intel i5 4690K and if you want a pretty decent air cooler go for the Hyper Evo 212. Worth every penny and does the trick pretty good!
I'd still suggest the Skylake platform and i5-6600(k) if you want some future-proofing. While the CPU performance gain isn't that big, then Z170 (and other Skylake chipsets) bring a lot of upgrades along compared to Z97.
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Computer Case: NZXT Midi-Tower Case - Blue (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RN3SISI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I3G5S6TYB4MSBL&psc=1)
Motherboard: MSI H97 PC Mate Intel LGA1150 H97 ATX (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00K8KC8AM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I34LVTTZWW8SW2)
CPU: Intel Core i5 4690K (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I5YMXL4LVLVZZ)
GPU: Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Strix (4GB VRAM) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UJLDVJC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=I25TPV43QK2PB3&psc=1)
SSHD: Seagate ST1000DX001 3.5 inch 1TB Hybrid Internal Solid State Drive (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ELAVIQ0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I38VH7OZNCH7CF)
RAM: ??
PSU: ??
CPU Cooler: ??
Ehhh, anything else? :D
Total price so far = £559.67
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What about the RAM? xD
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What about the RAM? xD
Ermagerd! How could I forget that!
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SSDs can be as cheap as 60 euros nowadays, so no worries about it.
Also, Mikal what's your budget you wish to spend on your PC?
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Ermagerd! How could I forget that!
Lmao :D attempting to run a PC without RAM xD
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SSDs can be as cheap as 60 euros nowadays, so no worries about it.
Also, Mikal what's your budget you wish to spend on your PC?
I have no idea, at first I thought £500, but I've already gone over that trying to get what I want out of the computer, everything is literally much more expensive than I thought and so I'm going to have to make exceptions when it comes to price, and as for the SSD's being "60 Euros", they must be the low memory ones, I'm using close to 1TB on my current computer and so I definitely need 1TB in the new one, sadly 1TB SSD's seem very expensive which is why I've chosen a 1TB SSHD, you get a huge loading speed boost and get to keep the price down, well worth it if you ask me.
I thought a computer built around a GTX 960 4GB would have been fairly cheap, but I guess not, I'm sticking with that GPU regardless though.
Any thoughts on the motherboard I've chosen? I might order that and the case tonight, need to get the ball rolling otherwise I'll just keep window shopping all year. :D
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CPU Cooler could be the Hyper 212 evo?
Think the mobo is good enough, I don't know so much about those and I just bought a MSI Z97 Gaming 5 since I have a black and red theme.
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Thanks Omri, are there any real nice looking (and effective) CPU coolers though, something that looks unique, since the case I'm getting has a huge window... :rolleyes:
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Most helpful information you can give is;
Budget in $ or €
What accessories is needed? Mouse, keyboard, monitor, operating system?
And do you want to build up a nice looking PC for dust collecting or an actual effective gaming PC?
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You could get a SSD from a brand like Kingston or ADATA with about 120-240GB of space and a 1TB HDD.
That way you have all the space you need and you can still enjoy your most used games and such on the SSD.
AFAIK, that seems cheaper than buying a 1TB SSHD.
Most helpful information you can give is;
Budget in $ or €
What accessories is needed? Mouse, keyboard, monitor, operating system?
And do you want to build up a nice looking PC for dust collecting or an actual effective gaming PC?
Basically this, as said we both can give you a good setup in a specific price range.
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My money comes in, and then goes straight back out, so my budget is non-existent, I'll buy what I can when I can, I just need to get what I need listed down and then I'll buy the stuff one by one, I'm happy with the stuff I've chosen so far and so I think the only help I need now will be with RAM and PSU, I've just found the CPU cooler I want. :D
Thermaltake CL-P0466 SpinQ 6 Heatpipe Universal CPU Cooler (£48)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/z/8VkAAOxyYTRSX2tq/$(KGrHqNHJDkFJdU48nGHBS(2tqQsJ!~~60_12.JPG)
Thanks for your input guys!
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Thanks Omri, are there any real nice looking (and effective) CPU coolers though, something that looks unique, since the case I'm getting has a huge window... :rolleyes:
Well, I myself has a case that has a window and I wanted it to look more clean and simple so I bought the Corsair H100i GTX water cooling, is it necessary? No but looking quite good. My CPU is around 34 degrees when under load so that's pretty good and I am planning to overclock my CPU in the future so it will come in handy too there.
PSU suggestion: Corsair CX 600M ?
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For RAM, anything from Corsair since they are good and have a wide variety of colours, Corsair Vengeance memory is probably the series you should look at.
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I wanted a small water cooler for the CPU at first but then after reading hours of stuff I don't understand online I decided the extra cost isn't really worth it, and reading reviews on higher brand all in one water coolers left me worried about leaks, sure it's like a 1 in 100 reviews thing but I'd rather not take the risk, I can't even get that cool and effective looking CPU fan cooler I posted above because the only ones I can find are from the US and postage to the UK basically makes it so that I might have well have bought a water cooler, so now I'm still shopping for a CPU air cooler, I've just ordered the case, decided to get the white one (http://computerpad.ae/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Untitled125.png) instead for reasons I don't know, should look cool with some dim blue lighting though.
Someone told me to get a Corsair PSU for the computer I'm currently using as my one before this blew up, but I just ended up buying the exact same one as before because it was only £20, and I knew I was going to be building a new computer, I will probably get a Corsair one for this build though since I'm putting alot of money into it, how do you know for sure what wattage I should be getting though? Since I don't know what motherboard and such I'm getting for sure yet shouldn't I wait to figure that out before getting the PSU?
Anyway the motherboard I had in mind is this one: MSI H97 PC Mate Intel LGA1150 H97 ATX Motherboard (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00K8KC8AM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I34LVTTZWW8SW2)
Can you let me know if that would be a good match for the CPU and GPU I'm getting? Thanks!
For RAM, anything from Corsair since they are good and have a wide variety of colours, Corsair Vengeance memory is probably the series you should look at.
Thanks, I'll look into those, I want some nice blue ones! :D
Edit:
Would 2 of these be good? My current shed of a computer has 16GB RAM and I wouldn't really want to reduce it on a new more powerful computer...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10B-Vengeance-Performance-Memory/dp/B009M0TCBC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1455671634&sr=8-4&keywords=Corsair+blue+RAM
Edit 2:
These also look good, and it's 2 of them...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00J8E91T0/ref=s9_qpp_gw_p147_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1VX3PFHZNWY6PNJTAZ8Y&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=577047927&pf_rd_i=desktop
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I actually used this site when I first begun building my computer as I were a freshie and it gives you any errors if you have something that don't match up.
It also tells you how much watt your current build is going to use.
https://pcpartpicker.com/
Just create a build and choose the parts :)
Edit: Would have gone for the HyperX FURY Series :P
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Kingston HyperX is a good choice as well, however you need to change the kits since you're are looking at 2 sticks with 4GB each (totaling 8GB RAM total). If you want 16GB in your system look for a kit with 2 8GB sticks.
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I actually used this site when I first begun building my computer as I were a freshie and it gives you any errors if you have something that don't match up.
It also tells you how much watt your current build is going to use.
https://pcpartpicker.com/
Just create a build and choose the parts :)
Edit: Would have gone for the HyperX FURY Series :P
Thanks I'll throw everything into that site when I'm done adding to my list to see if it all looks good, and yeah I think the HyperX Fury Series look good and saves a few quid, so I'll buy them for sure!
Kingston HyperX is a good choice as well, however you need to change the kits since you're are looking at 2 sticks with 4GB each (totaling 8GB RAM total). If you want 16GB in your system look for a kit with 2 8GB sticks.
Good thing you said, didn't notice I had the 2x 4GB selected :janek:
Think I've got everything I need done now, except the CPU cooler which I'm still debating on... Really don't know what to do, water cooling or air cooling, and I still want something that looks nice. :rolleyes:
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I've gone ahead and put together a basic system for you including the case you already ordered.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RHRh4D
This is just for basic functionality and allows upgrades in the future such as a proper CPU cooler, you can pretty much use the stock one for a while until you have money again right?.
The cost of this would be ~$960. I went ahead and instead put a 970 in it. If you went with a 960 with 4GB VRAM you would be paying around ~$875.
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Think I've got everything I need done now, except the CPU cooler which I'm still debating on... Really don't know what to do, water cooling or air cooling, and I still want something that looks nice. :rolleyes:
If you got the money and you want to have something to look good I would say totally go for water cooling so when one day you choose to overclock your CPU you are more than good to go and don't have to spend further money to keep it cool.
Edit: As I said earlier, the 970 is worth the extra buck so the build Brian made is not that bad again.
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I've gone ahead and put together a basic system for you including the case you already ordered.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RHRh4D
This is just for basic functionality and allows upgrades in the future such as a proper CPU cooler, you can pretty much use the stock one for a while until you have money again right?.
The cost of this would be ~$960. I went ahead and instead put a 970 in it. If you went with a 960 with 4GB VRAM you would be paying around ~$875.
Thank's for that but it is a huge price leap (especially with the 970), is the motherboard I mentioned not very good or?
If you got the money and you want to have something to look good I would say totally go for water cooling so when one day you choose to overclock your CPU you are more than good to go and don't have to spend further money to keep it cool.
Edit: As I said earlier, the 970 is worth the extra buck so the build Brian made is not that bad again.
I know the 970 is worth it but I really can't afford the extra £90, I'll be happy running alot of the newer games on atleast medium settings, I'm not a huge graphics freak, I just want better FPS which is why I've chose to go from a GTX 650 to a GTX 960, should be a hugely noticeable jump.
And as much as water cooling does look good (especially with the lights on some of the CPU coolers) I think I'll be sticking to air cooling for now, I can always change that in the future if I wanted to do some seriously over clocking, but for now a fan will do right? Should be able to overclock with one a little bit if I really wanted to?
Appreciate the help ;)
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Thank's for that but it is a huge price leap (especially with the 970), is the motherboard I mentioned not very good or?
There's nothing wrong with the motherboard, I just decided to go with Asus since they are legendary regarding motherboards. I went with a Z97 board since they have more features and support overclocking, H97 is basically a barebones board. Keep in mind that the motherboard is one of the most important components in your PC, it's the backbone of everything. Check the features it has, see if it has what you want (USB ports, connections, headers, etc.) and perhaps get opinions on it. I'm kind of amazed that MSI actually advertise that board as "overclocking ready" considering that none of the H97 chipset boards support overclocking. I highly suggest you to switch to Z97 tho' because you will regret it in the future when you want to do more things with your PC.
Anyway it's your choice with the GPU but at least you have an estimate now on how much you will be spending.
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I might build a new computer too :neutral2:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zrkyvK
What you think? My Budget is below $600 :D
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I might build a new computer too :neutral2:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zrkyvK
What you think? My Budget is below $600 :D
Bit of a old build I had that CPU and it pretty much bottle-necked most new end GPU's.
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Do yourself a favour and skip to Skylake, no real reason to stay with the older socket since it only costs a bit more yet you get some gains.
Links from amazon.co.uk, I guess you're from the UK (Wales!). Unfortunately things are more expensive than in the US.
Pleeeease ignore the fancy looks, don't pick just because "it's red", "it's blue", etc. You want performance. As long as your PC doesn't look like a clown, you'll be fine, but that is just my opinion.
It's because being on a budget means you have to give up on some commodities that people with a ton of money have - such as matching colour theme for all your PC parts. Unless you want to pay the same and get a lower end PC just because it looks a little better, which goes a bit against the budget philosophy.
You'll be looking at your monitor most of the time :)
Also, the build names are just a joke.
Build #1 - "El Cheapo Poorfag":
Computer Case: Corsair Carbide Series 100R (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CC-9011075-WW-Windowed-Mid-Tower-Computer/dp/B00RORBQNW/ref=lp_430498031_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455728113&sr=1-2) - £42.95
Motherboard: AsRock Z170M Pro4S (http://www.amazon.co.uk/AsRock-Z170M-Pro4S-Skylake-Motherboard/dp/B012D7G26I/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455731002) - £78.45
CPU: Intel Core i5 6600K (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-6600K-Processor-1150/dp/B016DO772U/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455728219&sr=1-2) - £206.57
CPU Cooler: Scythe Katana 4 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scythe-SCKTN-4000-Katana-CPU-cooler/dp/B007Q4XSDE/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455729476&sr=1-1) - £25.45
RAM: 2x 8GB HyperX Fury DDR4 2666Mhz (16GB total) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-FURY-16-DDR4-Memory/dp/B013H7QH86/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455729294&sr=1-5) - £77.40
GPU: PNY GTX 960 OC 4GB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-GDDR5-Ge-Force-Graphics-Card/dp/B016XK8WPU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455730848&sr=8-1) - £159.00
HDD: Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-DT01ACA200-7200rpm-Internal-Drive/dp/B009CPDI62/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8) - £57.50
PSU: Corsair CX600 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Builder-Bronze-Power-Supply/dp/B009RMP44O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455731253&sr=8-1) - £51.99
Total: £699,31
You could cut a few pounds off this build, by selecting slower & cheaper RAM and, if you don't plan on overclocking, cheaper CPU (non-K variant) and cheaper motherboard (with lower end chipset)
Build #2 - "Casual Poorfag":
Computer Case: NZXT CA-S340 Black/Blue (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RN3SISI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I3G5S6TYB4MSBL&psc=1) - £63.90
Everything else same as Build #1
Total: £720,26
Build #3 - "I just want a 970 and my pretty case":
GPU: EVGA GTX 970 Superclocked 4GB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-GeForce-Superclocked-Cooling-Graphics/dp/B00NSXYEQW/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455734091&sr=1-1) - £268.98
Everything else same as Build #2
Total: £830,24
Build #4 - "Git Rekt, u Fukin Skrub":
Computer Case:NZXT CA-S340 Black/Blue (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RN3SISI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I3G5S6TYB4MSBL&psc=1) - £63.90
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z170-HD3P (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Z170-HD3P-GA-Z170-HD3P-Motherboard/dp/B013E37FW0/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455728304&sr=1-1&keywords=z170-hd3p) - £94.68
CPU: Intel Core i5 6600K (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-6600K-Processor-1150/dp/B016DO772U/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455728219&sr=1-2) - £206.57
CPU Cooler: Scythe Katana 4 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scythe-SCKTN-4000-Katana-CPU-cooler/dp/B007Q4XSDE/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455729476&sr=1-1) - £25.45
RAM: 2x 8GB HyperX Fury DDR4 2666Mhz (16GB total) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-FURY-16-DDR4-Memory/dp/B013H7QH86/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455729294&sr=1-5) - £77.40
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 970 Gaming G1 4GB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-NVIDIA-Gaming-Graphics-Express/dp/B00NQ862GY/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455734298&sr=1-1) - £274.98
HDD: Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-DT01ACA200-7200rpm-Internal-Drive/dp/B009CPDI62/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8) - £57.50
SSD: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-inch-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00P736UEU/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455733842&sr=1-1) - £65.00
PSU: XFX TS 550W (http://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-certified-Power-Supply-P1-550G-TS3X/dp/B00HW979AQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455729634&sr=1-1&keywords=xfx+550w+ts) - £70.93
Total: £936,41
Things in bold were added/changed when compared to the other builds.
For all these builds, assembly costs are not included, and the CPU cooler comes with thermal paste.
I might build a new computer too :neutral2:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zrkyvK
What you think? My Budget is below $600 :D
Just terrible, please at least get rid of that extremely outdated (and expensive!) CPU, motherboard and RAM.
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Do yourself a favour and skip to Skylake, no real reason to stay with the older socket since it only costs a bit more yet you get some gains.
Such as the requirement to use windows 10 in order to get security updates, hell no. The entire line of CPUs is shit.
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Erm so, the reason I chose this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Z97-PC-Mate-Motherboard/dp/B00K8KLW3G/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1HARTWD4CH7BKX8XVQDB) is because it's the 'most bought' with the Intel Core i5 4690K which I'll be buying, the fact that it's blue (the colour I wanted) is just a good coincidence. :D
As for the memory I'm happy sticking with the SSHD (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ELAVIQ0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I38VH7OZNCH7CF) for the (what I assume to be) huge boost in loading speeds, and it's also pretty much the same price as the normal HDD you listed, so that's an obvious choice right?
Also, can somebody tell me the difference between these 3 GPU's?
1. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Nvidia-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/dp/B00SKWIISQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-4&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
2. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-GV-N960OC-4GD-Express-Graphics-Cards/dp/B012G7VCGU/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-2&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
3. http://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-GDDR5-Ge-Force-Graphics-Card/dp/B016XK8WPU/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-5&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
They are all 4GB VRAM, I know the first one is 'stock overclocked' and seems to have bigger heat pipes, wouldn't that make it the better choice?
Thought I do like the blue on the 2nd one, sorry, I'm a sucker for looks. :rolleyes:
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Such as the requirement to use windows 10 in order to get security updates, hell no. The entire line of CPUs is shit.
You can't expect legacy support for legacy OSes in everything that is new. Windows 7 was released in 2009, it's been almost 7 years. I see no reasons to not use Windows 10 instead of Windows 7, but that is my personal opinion.
But please go ahead and define what makes "The entire line of CPUs is shit" true with an objective review, showing pros and cons of each side. Otherwise it's just a "ps3 is shit x360 is good" and "x360 is shit ps3 is good" kind of opinion.
Erm so, the reason I chose this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Z97-PC-Mate-Motherboard/dp/B00K8KLW3G/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1HARTWD4CH7BKX8XVQDB) is because it's the 'most bought' with the Intel Core i5 4690K which I'll be buying, the fact that it's blue (the colour I wanted) is just a good coincidence. :D
As for the memory I'm happy sticking with the SSHD (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ELAVIQ0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I38VH7OZNCH7CF) for the (what I assume to be) huge boost in loading speeds, and it's also pretty much the same price as the normal HDD you listed, so that's an obvious choice right?
Also, can somebody tell me the difference between these 3 GPU's?
1. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Nvidia-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/dp/B00SKWIISQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-4&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
2. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-GV-N960OC-4GD-Express-Graphics-Cards/dp/B012G7VCGU/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-2&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
3. http://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-GDDR5-Ge-Force-Graphics-Card/dp/B016XK8WPU/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-5&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
They are all 4GB VRAM, I know the first one is 'stock overclocked' and seems to have bigger heat pipes, wouldn't that make it the better choice?
Thought I do like the blue on the 2nd one, sorry, I'm a sucker for looks. :rolleyes:
If you're staying with the i5 4690K, sure, that motherboard is decent and the price is not bad for what you get. I still think you'd be better served with Skylake, though.
I really recommend you to use a HDD instead, SSHDs are glorified in their product pages but real world usage doesn't improve that much - the SSD portion of it is only used for caching,they just store the most commonly accessed files in the SSD part. General consensus is that hybrid HDDs kinda suck - better save up a bit more and buy a SSD later. The SSD part of that HDD is only 8GB anyway, so it can actually be considered expensive, 8GB doesn't even fit all Windows files, so the caching won't be that good. Plus, you get no real control of what gets cached.
It costs more than double the price of the normal HDD I mentioned in my builds - keep in mind that hybrid is 1TB, where the HDD is 2TB. Really recommend to either: get SSD + HDD, get just a SSD and live with small storage and later buy a HDD, or get just a HDD and later buy a SSD.
Out of these 3 GPUs, the Asus one is the fastest, performance wise. There's other factors such as noise, the PNY will probably be the noisiest on load, but I haven't checked reviews between these 3, so don't take that for granted.
Also, I wouldn't pay £48 for that fancy ass cooler (it sure looks fancy) you mentioned a few posts below, I'd rather spend some of that money on better things. For a bit more you could buy a 250GB SSD instead of that cooler.
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Such as the requirement to use windows 10 in order to get security updates, hell no. The entire line of CPUs is shit.
:lol:
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But please go ahead and define what makes "The entire line of CPUs is shit" true with an objective review, showing pros and cons of each side. Otherwise it's just a "ps3 is shit x360 is good" and "x360 one is shit ps3 is good" kind of opinion.
The fact that skylake processors are known to bend (contact pins and such) when a custom CPU cooler or water block is attached to it. Performance wise, there isn't any gains, in fact it's worse. My 4790K and my previous 5960X smokes the flagship models.
Also, can somebody tell me the difference between these 3 GPU's?
1. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Nvidia-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/dp/B00SKWIISQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-4&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
2. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-GV-N960OC-4GD-Express-Graphics-Cards/dp/B012G7VCGU/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-2&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
3. http://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-GDDR5-Ge-Force-Graphics-Card/dp/B016XK8WPU/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455737949&sr=1-5&keywords=GTX+960+4gb
The difference is cooling solution and clock speeds. The third one is a reference card with a reference cooler (blower style) which I do not advise on using.
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The fact that skylake processors are known to bend (contact pins and such) when a custom CPU cooler or water block is attached to it. Performance wise, there isn't any gains, in fact it's worse. My 4790K and my previous 5960X smokes the flagship models.
Whatever you're smoking, I want some of it. The 4790K does NOT smoke the 6700K.
Now instead of just saying "x is faster than y", I'll show you some tangible results. i7 6700K wins in pretty much every benchmark even though it has a slightly lower clock.
Here's some evidence instead of just words, gaming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ_5p9wd2dk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDo-j00vUtw
Here's the article from that video: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-review
And here's an excerpt of it:
"Even so when looking at average frame-rates in titles where we are truly CPU-bound for the majority of the duration, there are some notable results: in GTA 5, the 6700K is 20 per cent faster than the 4790K, (...) Also noteworthy is Far Cry 4: 17/40/43 per cent faster respectively than its predecessors - Devil's Canyon, Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge."
That article has a table with a few games on it, there's not a single game in it where the 4790K wins when against the 6700K. It's not just averages too, the min fps is better too, with the exception of one game where it loses by 1fps, which is just an odd sample out of all the others:
(http://i.imgur.com/B08tmKD.png)
The bending issue is real though, and I won't deny that. Although from what I read, only a few coolers seem to have caused it when moving out your PC from one place to another (typically in vehicles). I'll let you know, though, that my 6700K, which has a Scythe Katana 4 cooler, has been moved 4x so far (about 2 hours each ride, and it has some shitty roads) and it is absolutely fine.
The 5690X is a different kind of beast, typically aimed at servers or workflows that make good use of multi core systems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLs-sMteggg
But the price tag on it is insane, you could get a complete build with a 970 in it and all that shizzle for the price of a 5960X, so you can't even complain about any skylake CPU vs 5960x, it's a whole different level.
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http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3BLDLk - No issues/incompatibilities found, yey.
Computer Case: NZXT Midi-Tower Case - White (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00NZI69JU/ref=twister_B00XJRNCVA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1)
Motherboard: MSI H97 PC Mate Intel LGA1150 H97 ATX (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00K8KC8AM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I34LVTTZWW8SW2)
CPU: Intel Core i5 4690K (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I5YMXL4LVLVZZ)
GPU: Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Strix (4GB VRAM) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UJLDVJC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=I25TPV43QK2PB3&psc=1)
SSHD: Seagate ST1000DX001 3.5 inch 1TB Hybrid Internal Solid State Drive (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ELAVIQ0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I38VH7OZNCH7CF)
RAM: HyperX FURY Series 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR3 1866MHz CL10 DIMM (white) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J8E8YZC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I29TNL8O2YOTU7&psc=1)
PSU: Corsair Builder Series CXM 600W (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALYOTTI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I25ALX169MOUQ2&psc=1)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master RR-212E-16PK-R1 Hyper 212 Evo (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0068OI7T8/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I2A4HX3PHMYJEA&psc=1)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Home-Premium-English/dp/B00H09BB16/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455751475&sr=8-1&keywords=Microsoft+Windows+7+Home+Premium+SP1+OEM+%2864-bit%29)
Case Fans: Corsair CO-9050006-WW 120mm (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CO-9050006-WW-SP120-Quiet-Pressure/dp/B007RESFR2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1455751507&sr=8-5&keywords=case+fan)
Total Price: £775
For a 'cheap' build, the price is so f**king ridiculous, but I'm still going ahead with it, that's all my stuff decided now anyway.
Edit: I just found a slight problem, the case I've ordered (which will be here tomorrow) has 2 fans, both of them are exhausts, the motherboard I'm going to order only has 2 slots for the fans but I wanted to order a further 2 fans for the front of the case (intakes), what can I do to 'add' extra slots? Is there some kind of extension I can get to be able to use 4 fans on the motherboard? Thanks!
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Very nice desicion I like your CPU I have the same one, very good pricing and overall top notch CPU.
For the situation with the fan headers I had the same, my case has two at the front and then my back one which is the radiator what has two inside of it so in-total I have 4 fans, yet only 3 slots, what I did you actully can buy a "fan header extension" which allows one fan header to be split into two at the end so its like one to two, its pretty dope I have one, can give you different readings inside of your bios, but have been using it for months now, and my fans have no performance issues.
(https://www.overclockers.co.uk/media/image/thumbnail/CB071AK_37952_800x800.jpg)
This is the one i have its just called a "fan splitter" you can pick them up on eBay for about £2-3.
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Thanks Luke I'll look into buying 2 of those, don't really care about the BIOS readings, aslong as the fans do what they are meant to do. :janek:
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@rid, I stopped reading after "stock speeds", I run mine at a powerful 5GHz. Perhaps I should have noted that but anyway I ain't gonna make a bigass argument about it.
Thanks Luke I'll look into buying 2 of those, don't really care about the BIOS readings, aslong as the fans do what they are meant to do. :janek:
You can set up some interesting fan curves through the BIOS (atleast with Asus, not sure about MSI) to reduce noise and power consumption when unused or at a low load.
I know you had to pay quite a lot for your PC even when it's considered low to mid end build but trust me for real high end stuff like mine, it's atleast quadrupled (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bfGMBm). It's PC Master Race after all.
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$650 shouldn't be a problem for me :D
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4cdWWZ
Okay so now I've updated it as rid says.
How about now? :neutral2:
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Total Price: £775
For a 'cheap' build, the price is so f**king ridiculous, but I'm still going ahead with it, that's all my stuff decided now anyway.
It was your choice to have that ridiculous price ;)
I assume you already ordered everything, it's by no means a bad build. Have fun with it!
@rid, I stopped reading after "stock speeds", I run mine at a powerful 5GHz. Perhaps I should have noted that but anyway I ain't gonna make a bigass argument about it.
Well you should have mentioned that on your post, it changes the whole perspective. Both sides have good overclocking results when in "average" - then it's just a matter of silicon lottery. I still hold my opinion that the Skylake CPU line is better than Haswell (and Devils Canyon refresh) and that there is no reason to stay with the old generation unless you find a really good deal (black friday had some insane deals that Skylake simply couldn't compete with)
$650 shouldn't be a problem for me :D
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4cdWWZ
Okay so now I've updated it as rid says.
How about now? :neutral2:
Don't have time to take a good luck at it but at first glance it definitely is much better than your previous build. Might want to get rid of the extra case fan & CD/DVD drive if you don't really need it (you can install windows with a pen drive), and spend that money on 8GB of RAM instead of 4. Also, I think there are a few decent 24" 1080p monitors that only cost a bit more, should be around 100 dollars. The size increase is very welcomed, 19" on a 16:9 screen is quite small to be honest, plus that monitor is only 1366x768.
There's a fine line between cheap parts and decent parts - at a certain threshold, "product quality per dollar" just drops significantly in cheap stuff.
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Well thanks for the help choosing the parts, I haven't ordered it all yet, not that rich. :D
The case should arrive today, and then I might order the motherboard and PSU next.
I just realised that I can't install Win 7 from a disc because there is no CD drive on this case, could I possible take the CD drive out of the computer I'm on now and temporarily plug it into the new computers Mobo/PSU (or whatever it plugs into) to install Windows 7? Doing it the USB way seems too complicated, I just read that you need to convert files to .ISO or some crap, and how can I know for sure the USB ports will detect the USB stick? I've had computers with fresh installs because which didn't have the required drivers and so nothing worked. :rolleyes:
Thanks!
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USB is actually the easiest way and quite easy, there are tons of tutorials on Youtube how to make a USB bootable.
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Consider this for a PSU instead, it's slightly more expensive but offers much more reliability(perfect reviews) and is gold plated(which means it's more power efficient). It's also covered by EVGA's 7 year warranty, not sure if that's applicable in the UK or not though.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1
I don't think anybody pointed it out, but you're using an non-overclockable motherboard with an overclockable CPU, which means you won't be able to use any extra power from that CPU. You could try swapping the motherboard with a Z-series(overclockable) or getting a non-K version of your CPU.
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Don't have time to take a good luck at it but at first glance it definitely is much better than your previous build. Might want to get rid of the extra case fan & CD/DVD drive if you don't really need it (you can install windows with a pen drive), and spend that money on 8GB of RAM instead of 4. Also, I think there are a few decent 24" 1080p monitors that only cost a bit more, should be around 100 dollars. The size increase is very welcomed, 19" on a 16:9 screen is quite small to be honest, plus that monitor is only 1366x768.
There's a fine line between cheap parts and decent parts - at a certain threshold, "product quality per dollar" just drops significantly in cheap stuff.
Alright, thanks :D
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USB is actually the easiest way and quite easy, there are tons of tutorials on Youtube how to make a USB bootable.
This, follow the guide below and nothing can go wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFJwiILbsdo
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I also suggest trying Rufus USB programme to install windows. Easy as fuck.
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Consider this for a PSU instead, it's slightly more expensive but offers much more reliability(perfect reviews) and is gold plated(which means it's more power efficient). It's also covered by EVGA's 7 year warranty, not sure if that's applicable in the UK or not though.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1
I don't think anybody pointed it out, but you're using an non-overclockable motherboard with an overclockable CPU, which means you won't be able to use any extra power from that CPU. You could try swapping the motherboard with a Z-series(overclockable) or getting a non-K version of your CPU.
I think a £50 Corsair PSU will do the job as reliably as I need, can't be any worse than the £20 one that blew up on my current computer (after about 4 years of use) and now I'm using the same one again, since I knew I would be building a new PC.
As for overclocking the CPU, I doubt I'll need to TBH, most games these days are more GPU heavy and the GPU comes stock overclocked, I could be wrong though, I just don't want to waste extra money if I don't really need to, besides I doubt I'd even attempt any overclocking on the CPU if I could.
I guess I'll be doing the Win 7 install via USB since the cheapest external disc drivers on Amazon all have terribly bad reviews, can't be that hard, thanks for your posts guys. :)
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Any thoughts on if I change to this motherboard?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-970A-Sli-Krait-Motherboard/dp/B00UQRZU7K/ref=sr_1_6?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455842317&sr=1-6&keywords=white+motherboard
Edit:
Cancel that, looks like it's not compatible with the CPU I've chosen, will have to go for the more expensive mobo.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00OIKLODK/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I10KSQ1X66YKWF
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Any thoughts on if I change to this motherboard?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-970A-Sli-Krait-Motherboard/dp/B00UQRZU7K/ref=sr_1_6?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1455842317&sr=1-6&keywords=white+motherboard
Edit:
Cancel that, looks like it's not compatible with the CPU I've chosen, will have to go for the more expensive mobo.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00OIKLODK/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I10KSQ1X66YKWF
First one was for AMD AM3+ CPUs indeed. 4690k can work on any Z97 (recommended) and H97 motherboards. Z87 and H87 can work too, but may require BIOS update beforehand.
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As for overclocking the CPU, I doubt I'll need to TBH, most games these days are more GPU heavy and the GPU comes stock overclocked, I could be wrong though, I just don't want to waste extra money if I don't really need to, besides I doubt I'd even attempt any overclocking on the CPU if I could.
No point in going for a K-series CPU then. You should stick with H97 motherboard you chose and call it a day.
/r/pcmasterrace is a great place to ask for advice too
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Computer Case: NZXT Midi-Tower Case - White (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00NZI69JU/ref=twister_B00XJRNCVA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S Sli Krait Edition (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OIKLODK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00)
CPU: Intel Core i5 4690K (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I5YMXL4LVLVZZ)
GPU: Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Strix (4GB VRAM) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UJLDVJC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=I25TPV43QK2PB3&psc=1)
SSHD: Seagate ST1000DX001 3.5 inch 1TB Hybrid Internal Solid State Drive (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ELAVIQ0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I38VH7OZNCH7CF)
RAM: HyperX FURY Series 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR3 1866MHz CL10 DIMM (white) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J8E8YZC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I29TNL8O2YOTU7&psc=1)
PSU: Corsair Builder Series CXM 600W (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALYOTTI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I25ALX169MOUQ2&psc=1)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master RR-212E-16PK-R1 Hyper 212 Evo (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0068OI7T8/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I2A4HX3PHMYJEA&psc=1)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Home-Premium-English/dp/B00H09BB16/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455751475&sr=8-1&keywords=Microsoft+Windows+7+Home+Premium+SP1+OEM+%2864-bit%29)
Case Fans: Corsair CO-9050006-WW 120mm (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CO-9050006-WW-SP120-Quiet-Pressure/dp/B007RESFR2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1455751507&sr=8-5&keywords=case+fan)
Changed the motherboard, it arrives tomorrow, don't give me any problems now lol, what other good CPU coolers are there? The one I currently have listed is too mainstream for me. :D
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Something from be quiet! offerings maybe? http://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler
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If you want to match your motherboard color scheme you could look at a Alpenföhn Matterhorn White Edition, its pretty unique. (if available in UK, not even sure)
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I had ZOTAC GeForce 9500GT 1GB and GeForce Experience doesn't allow me
to use any features. :neutral2:
It keeps saying that my GPU is outdated and I need to get a new one.
Like GeForce 6+ Series or whatever that is :lol:
I keep dreaming about that I joined IV:MP server and meet my friends, Its like a nightmare which I was still banned there.. I'm trying to get off the server, I suddenly woke up and almost can't sleep thinking about it.
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I had ZOTAC GeForce 9500GT 1GB and GeForce Experience doesn't allow me
to use any features. :neutral2:
It keeps saying that my GPU is outdated and I need to get a new one.
Like GeForce 6+ Series or whatever that is :lol:
GTX600 or more recent.
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I bought a GTX 650 for the computer I'm on now in 2012 for about £160, and now you can buy them for £60, amazing how fast prices drop and technology changes...
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I bought a GTX 650 for the computer I'm on now in 2012 for about £160, and now you can buy them for £60, amazing how fast prices drop and technology changes...
Okay then, It should be around $100 or less for me :D
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Just fitted my new motherboard into the case and it looks awesome, will be ordering the CPU and RAM next week, still not sure wether to get a small single fan water cooler or a normal air cooler, I don't like the way the air coolers stick out so much, would like the inside to stay as open as possible for better looks and air flow, don't know what to do...
Edit: After reading some reviews on a cheap (£50) Corsair liquid cooler, I'm definitely not going with liquid cooling, so many people saying how their computers have been f**ked and how it's leaked after only a couple of weeks, so now I'm looking for a low profile compact air cooler, don't want something that looks like a huge clunky metal block in my nice shiny see through case. :D
Edit: Could I use a low profile cooler like this or is it not-recommended for a mid sized case?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cryorig-CR-C1A-C1-alle-Sockel/dp/B00KDG48CC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1456015101&sr=8-1&keywords=CRYORIG+C1
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They stick out a lot for a reason...tower coolers are much better at dissipating heat than flat models
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They stick out a lot for a reason...tower coolers are much better at dissipating heat than flat models
But they are so fugly!
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But they are so fugly!
Actually, there are some pretty badass ones out there. I recommend you this one but it depends on your budget: http://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/482 they are a well known brand so ye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIx0JFEyLuQ
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Don't forget about the Thermal Paste.. :)
Last month I tried to overclock my CPU through BIOS, Pentium 4 E5200
My computer keeps restarting! Temperature reached 100°C.
Then I put a new Paste 3 times (First & Second attempt is a failure) and it worked.
40°C - 60°C now. I've reset the BIOS settings too :neutral2:
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Finally found a cooler that is 'compact' and works just as well as normal huge tower coolers (or so I've read), I don't want a huge block disrupting air flow.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/quiet-Dark-Rock-CPU-Cooler/dp/B00XJMQDUM/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1456082694&sr=1-1&keywords=Dark+Rock+TF+CPU+Cooler
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I have a water cooler Corsair one from the Hydro series had it for over a year now no leaking or anything on the same CPU you have and u can get a whole 1 Ghz over clock on it, with temps in the 60s. Don't believe what you see on the net.
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Finally found a cooler that is 'compact' and works just as well as normal huge tower coolers (or so I've read), I don't want a huge block disrupting air flow.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/quiet-Dark-Rock-CPU-Cooler/dp/B00XJMQDUM/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1456082694&sr=1-1&keywords=Dark+Rock+TF+CPU+Cooler
Airflow is no issue in your case, a regular tower would be completely fine especially with the extra fans you are planning to put in. Such coolers only start interrupting airflow in mATX cases or smaller.
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I have a water cooler Corsair one from the Hydro series had it for over a year now no leaking or anything on the same CPU you have and u can get a whole 1 Ghz over clock on it, with temps in the 60s. Don't believe what you see on the net.
I assume you have a double fan liquid cooler though, which are quite expensive compared to single fan ones, and single fan ones literally perform just as good as much cheaper air coolers.
Airflow is no issue in your case, a regular tower would be completely fine especially with the extra fans you are planning to put in. Such coolers only start interrupting airflow in mATX cases or smaller.
I still like the look of compact top down fans best, and I have said that I doubt I'd even bother over clocking, don't see the point in working everything so hard, which is why I'll still likely go for this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/quiet-Dark-Rock-CPU-Cooler/dp/B00XJMQDUM/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1456082694&sr=1-1&keywords=Dark+Rock+TF+CPU+Cooler) CPU cooler and change the fan to the same ones (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007RESFR2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I3RDCQG1TA01V&psc=1) I'm getting for the case, I like looks as much as functionality, can't help it. :rolleyes:
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That be quiet is fine. I would put the fans to exhaust and not push the air into the motherboard area though.
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I would put the fans to exhaust and not push the air into the motherboard area though.
Well I read that one of the good things about that specific cooler is that it also cools the motherboard and RAM, correct me if I read wrongly...
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Well I read that one of the good things about that specific cooler is that it also cools the motherboard and RAM, correct me if I read wrongly...
It's not really an issue with Intel boards. AMD boards could use some airflow on the VRMs because AMD processors (especially high-end such as FX-8350 etc) require a lot of power and VRMs do get hot.
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So I'm going to forget about getting an SSHD for now and just get a normal 1TD HDD, then I'll get a 120GB SSD in the future just for Windows and such.
My question is, is this hard drive ok?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-WD10EZEX-Cache-Internal/dp/B0088PUEPK/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1456244599&sr=1-1&keywords=1TB+hdd
It is the most popular one on Amazon and it's not too expensive. :rolleyes:
Edit:
Cancel that, got this one (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005T3GRNW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00) instead as it's reported to have slightly faster speeds. :rolleyes:
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Prefer Western Digital had a Seagate before and it broke within a couple months.
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Well I read that one of the good things about that specific cooler is that it also cools the motherboard and RAM, correct me if I read wrongly...
Yes indeed, but if you make it push the air into the motherboard area (like in the pictures of it) it could potentially make it hotter than usual as then the CPU heat would be pushed into the area. So I recommend exhausting.
My question is, is this hard drive ok?
Seagates are indeed not as well known for reliability as some other HDD manufacturers. But it should be fine unless you just get unlucky.
then I'll get a 120GB SSD in the future just for Windows and such.
No point in getting a 120GB when 240GB/256GB ones are so cheap now, unless you really want to save like 20£ for half the space :lol:
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Yes indeed, but if you make it push the air into the motherboard area (like in the pictures of it) it could potentially make it hotter than usual as then the CPU heat would be pushed into the area. So I recommend exhausting.
I guess you have a valid point, I'm more unsure about that CPU cooler now after looking at the size of it and measuring my case, it's f**king huge, if I were going to get it, I wanted it to look nice, was going to replace the top visible fan with one of these (http://www.thermaltake.com/db/products/dcfan/Riing1214B/main.jpg) as I think it'd look real nice through the glass panel, still have to think about it though, I just hate the look of those huge block coolers, though I do know they are the best for actually cooling.
Seagates are indeed not as well known for reliability as some other HDD manufacturers.
I'd change it to the Western Digital one if I could, sadly I activated the month of Amazon Prime trial due to all the ordering I'm doing lately, and it was 'dispatched' about an hour after submitting the order, will just have to hope I'm not an unlucky one with it, anyway, I can always request a refund if it fucks up.
No point in getting a 120GB when 240GB/256GB ones are so cheap now, unless you really want to save like 20£ for half the space :lol:
True, I would have gotten a 1TB SSD if I could have afforded it, but they are soooo damn expensive, the reason I didn't bother with the SSHD is because I noticed that only 8GB of that 1TB is actually SSD, which means it'd be used in no time, I know it auto-overwrites to put your most used stuff on it, but it doesn't seem worth it to me looking at how much more expensive they are than a normal HDD.
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I also have 2 Seagate ST2000DM001's (one is around 2 years old and other one 1 year) in my home server in a LVM volume group and so far they haven't blown up :lol:
Most notably I believe the ST3000DM001 has been unreliable as hell
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Finally you ditched some dumb decisions. Cheers on not wasting money on these practically useless SSHD's ;)
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Give me rates :lol:
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Too much stuff everywhere!
Just found another version of the GTX 960 4GB, which one is best? :D
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-1127MHz-Dl-Dvi-I-Dl-Dvi-D-Graphics/dp/B00ULQDPDC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456273478&sr=8-2&keywords=GTX+960+windforce+4gb
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UJLDVJC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=GMZXWCH6VT45&coliid=I3FKOXI7G4K11I&psc=1
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Both are basically equal, both have excellent warranty coverage and customer support and both will do the job fine.
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Both are basically equal, both have excellent warranty coverage and customer support and both will do the job fine.
Alright thanks, and considering the G1 Gaming GTX 960 4GB (http://www.ebuyer.com/704629-gigabyte-gtx-960-g1-gaming-4gb-gddr5-dual-link-dvi-hdmi-displayport-gv-n960g1-gaming-4gd) is cheaper on ebuyer, I think I'll be getting that one, even though it is sooooooooooooo fucking long, just measured it to my case and damn...
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Alright thanks, and considering the G1 Gaming GTX 960 4GB (http://www.ebuyer.com/704629-gigabyte-gtx-960-g1-gaming-4gb-gddr5-dual-link-dvi-hdmi-displayport-gv-n960g1-gaming-4gd) is cheaper on ebuyer, I think I'll be getting that one, even though it is sooooooooooooo f**cking long, just measured it to my case and damn...
G1 gaming is a top of the line card so you can't go wrong with it, just make sure it fits in your case since you don't want to have any surprises lol.
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Have heard rumours of Asus' graphics cards having inadequate VRM cooling. EVGA and Gigabyte are well safe to choose from.
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Is it true that the 960's can't utilise the full 4GB of VRAM because they are only 128 bit or is it just bullshit spread by fanboys of other GPU's?
I did read that it can use the whole 4GB even with the 128 bit because there's something different with 'texture management' with the 960's than there is with other cards, can't remember for sure though...
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Non sense.
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960 make good use of their 4GB of VRAM. May not be as fast as a 970 or other cards, but you quickly hit the 2GB wall in many games (GTA V comes to my mind). My brother has a 4GB 960, which allows him to play at almost the exact same settings I do with my 970, except with lower FPS, but NO stuttering at all. Where the 2GB version would start stuttering like mad once you hit the 2GB wall (simply maxing out textures is a good way to hit the limit, as far as I remember).
What you can't expect is a big increase in FPS - you'll probably not see much difference, if any. It just gets rid of the stuttering, which in cause can give you temporary FPS drops when you are playing games with high settings that require a lot of VRAM, which many games do now. It's a very valid concern in 2016, and it's time for 2GB cards to disappear :)
Whatever you do, stay away from 2GB cards!
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Sooooo, just started it up for the first time and the case lights came on, all the fans span, and it was lovely and silent, I didn't have a screen connected and the GPU hasn't arrived yet so I haven't installed that either, plus I need 2 more case fans... But it looks like everything is installed right so far and working good.
I just checked Amazon to buy the same fans as the two that are already on the case, and it turns out they are radiator fans being used as case fans, is there much of a performance difference between the 2 types?
As for installing the OS, I might just buy an external disc drive, can I get that to register as the first thing to run in the BIOS? It's USB connected...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00PJZXA3U/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=IQ3TEBHQKBDYF&psc=1
Thanks! :)
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is there much of a performance difference between the 2 types?
Radiator fans usually have better performance but are more noisy than case fans but it depends a lot on the individual fan, but in the end it shouldn't matter very much if you use a radiator fan as a case fan, it would be worse with using a normal fan on a radiator.
can I get that to register as the first thing to run in the BIOS? It's USB connected...
Yes.
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As for installing the OS, I might just buy an external disc drive, can I get that to register as the first thing to run in the BIOS? It's USB connected...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00PJZXA3U/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2WWK4912KO1GN&coliid=IQ3TEBHQKBDYF&psc=1
This is a Floppy Disk Drive...
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This is a Floppy Disk Drive...
Oh yeah it is, didn't even open the link :lol:
But maybe he was planning on installing it from floppies?
(http://lslash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Windows-7-Floppy-Version_thumb.jpg)
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Oh yeah it is, didn't even open the link :lol:
But maybe he was planning on installing it from floppies?
*image*
Yea, I considered that option, but thought pointing it out might be worthwile. :D
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This is a Floppy Disk Drive...
:rofl: I noticed that whilst it was in my Amazon basket, hahaha!
Anyway I bought a cheaper external disc drive for £9, it's noisy as fuck and likes to walk across the desk by itself, but it did the job.
My computer is finished and working great, so quiet too, will upload a picture soon! :janek:
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Once you get to deciding an OS... Look no further..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGSMUep6_4
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I have a small problem, the computer was working first time, got Windows up, everything going fine, all drivers good, but I somehow blocked myself from entering the BIOS during start up using the keyboards Delete key, I guess I made it so that the keyboard doesn't work until after the boot finished and so now I have no way(?) of entering the BIOS, though I swear when I turned the computer on for the first time and installed the MSI drivers there was an option on my desktop to enter the BIOS, but now that's gone and I have no idea... :rolleyes:
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Picture courtesy of my Galaxy S4 potato camera.
Need to tidy up the wires! :gand:
(http://i.imgur.com/FHpRJgX.jpg)
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Looks beautiful man, the white really goes. ;)
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Lol, good thing that you did decide on getting a proper CPU cooler.
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Looks beautiful man, the white really goes. ;)
Thanks! :D
Lol, good thing that you did decide on getting a proper CPU cooler.
Haha yes, funny thing is, this huge cooler is meant to be the 'slim' model... So damn huge, it does a great job so far.
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S340, great choice man.
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Ok this topic can be moved to resolved board, thanks for the help people!
(http://i.imgur.com/9mlDgtA.jpg)
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Nice build, enjoy :)
L&A