Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on May 09, 2016, 08:02:02 pm
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Hola Señores,
In light of recent events we are amending our policy to allow keybinds in order to remove stupidity from the server.
- You are not permitted to use keybinds as a form of botting. While keybinds are running, the player MUST be present at the computer and awake.
- You are not permitted to create keybinds or programs with allow for unattended automation of tasks.
- You are not permitted to create keybinds which are complex enough to span over 30 seconds of automated activity, interaction, or any other applicable action.
Summary:
- You must be present when keybinds are running.
- You cannot create keybinds which run for more than 30 seconds per activation.
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Fair enough! :gand:
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its a shame we arent advanced enough yet to use common sense
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So a basic keybind where you press a button and a command appears is still allowed right?
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So a basic keybind where you press a button and a command appears is still allowed right?
Yes.
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- You cannot create keybinds which run for more than 30 seconds per activation.
So if I have a keybinds that writes a t/producemeth and after 1 minute t/td, I'm no longer allowed to use it?
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So if I have a keybinds that writes a t/producemeth and after 1 minute t/td, I'm no longer allowed to use it?
Correct.
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Correct.
Right, that kinda sucks as I'm not creating a script that does everything for me, I still have to type the necessary commands. And I'm guessing I'm not allowed to make a script that if I type t/td after 30 seconds it will t/td again?
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Right, that kinda sucks as I'm not creating a script that does everything for me, I still have to type the necessary commands. And I'm guessing I'm not allowed to make a script that if I type t/td after 30 seconds it will t/td again?
Sorry, but isn't a keybind something that you press the button and it types for you? So... you aren't typing the necessary commands at all.
Or did I miss something?
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Sorry, but isn't a keybind something that you press the button and it types for you? So... you aren't typing the necessary commands at all.
Or did I miss something?
I assume they're referring to the botting which does everything for you. Normal keybinds such as *pressing numpad 7* to insert "/me places his hands on his holster" is fine.
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A lot of you have been extremely money hungry when it comes to producing meth, and in my opinion the script is giving way too much out. Continuing to use keybinds/bots for meth production from this point onwards is just plain greedy. It's like RS4 all over again, everyone with bottomless bank accounts.
Stop avoiding the risks that were implemented, it's part of the fun.
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Sorry, but isn't a keybind something that you press the button and it types for you? So... you aren't typing the necessary commands at all.
Or did I miss something?
Yes, but if you have seen the unban request boards, some people were pressing a key and letting the same keybinds run for 8 hours straight. I use keybinds when producing meth for the sole purpose of not fucking up by typing red fosphorus, or another typo, and blowing up.
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Yes, but if you have seen the unban request boards, some people were pressing a key and letting the same keybinds run for 8 hours straight. I use keybinds when producing meth for the sole purpose of not fucking up by typing red fosphorus, or another typo, and blowing up.
I believe as long as you tap the key it's okay, you could sit there for 10 hours making meth, provided you're at your desk pressing the button at the right time to type the command. It's the automated scripts you can leave they don't want.
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I believe as long as you tap the key it's okay, you could sit there for 10 hours making meth, provided you're at your desk pressing the button at the right time to type the command. It's the automated scripts you can leave they don't want.
Yeah that's what I do. I also had added some kind of a reminder that after 60 seconds it would type a /td, so that I could remember I have to add the next ingredient xd
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Try using /timestamp and just keep it on, might make it easier for you in that respect :D
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Sounds good.
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its a shame we arent advanced enough yet to use common sense
Common sense is not always common when you are involved with young adults ;)
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How about restricting the script? It would only work from 12-08 in the morning on /gametime. Because logically seeing smoke coming from a caravan in daylight would bring suspicion from the public/LEOs
Yes, I know that my beloved HQ need to stoop THAT low to introduce a script restriction or enforce a rule like this. What a shame.
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How about restricting the script? It would only work from 12-08 in the morning on /gametime. Because logically seeing smoke coming from a caravan in daylight would bring suspicion from the public/LEOs
Yes, I know that my beloved HQ need to stoop THAT low to introduce a script restriction or enforce a rule like this. What a shame.
You want me to move to Australia or set my alarm at night to cook meth?
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Just don't fucking bot/keybind/automate your interactions with the script, how hard can it be? Seriously, why would I even bother updating drugs any further if none of the players can just act responsibly and not like a fucking 8-year old?
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Just don't fucking bot/keybind/automate your interactions with the script, how hard can it be? Seriously, why would I even bother updating drugs any further if none of the players can just act responsibly and not like a fucking 8-year old?
None of the players? There is just a handful of money hungry kids.
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You want me to move to Australia or set my alarm at night to cook meth?
I'm not talking about real life time dude, I'm talking about game time. It can be 15:30pm in real life but when you log in you can log in and it's 01:00am in the San Andreas world
And afaik the gametime goes quick.. probably half an hour would equal to 24 hours.
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I'm not talking about real life time dude, I'm talking about game time. It can be 15:30pm in real life but when you log in you can log in and it's 01:00am in the San Andreas world
And afaik the gametime goes quick.. probably half an hour would equal to 24 hours.
One production takes 5-7 minutes...
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One production takes 5-7 minutes...
Exactly my point. It will deter these kids to be abusing the scripts so they can actually go out there and roleplay instead of producing meth 24/7.
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I'm not talking about real life time dude, I'm talking about game time. It can be 15:30pm in real life but when you log in you can log in and it's 01:00am in the San Andreas world
And afaik the gametime goes quick.. probably half an hour would equal to 24 hours.
1 minute irl = 1 hour ig
not sure why nobody changes this shitty as fuck ratio
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Seriously, why would I even bother updating drugs any further if none of the players can just act responsibly and not like a fucking 8-year old?
Oh, I don't know, maybe because you care about the community? Or because you actually like scripting? Either way, would you for the love of god stop, just for one second; calling people names, generalizing, and just moaning in general?
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How about restricting the script? It would only work from 12-08 in the morning on /gametime. Because logically seeing smoke coming from a caravan in daylight would bring suspicion from the public/LEOs
What problem would it solve though? Can't people themselves just decide if they want to cook during the daytime and take a bigger risk?
Exactly my point. It will deter these kids to be abusing the scripts so they can actually go out there and roleplay instead of producing meth 24/7.
You can't "abuse" the scripts anymore, they changed the rules so you're not allowed to "abuse" them anymore. If peope want to cook meth 24/7 though, then that's their choice.
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And they should do that without abusing available features, which should lead to us restricting/worsening them for the sake of balance. In turn also depressing the team because people cannot think of anything but making a profit while the goal of the server is roleplaying.
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Having keybinds do the work while you're doing homework or sleeping is just full of shit, you're not even playing the game so I mean, if someone tries to roleplay with you, you're basically an NPC.
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Botting have never been allowed, use common sense... Oh ye, most people lack it.
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And they should do that without abusing available features, which should lead to us restricting/worsening them for the sake of balance. In turn also depressing the team because people cannot think of anything but making a profit while the goal of the server is roleplaying.
What feature can people still "abuse" that isn't already punnishable? None that I know of. Also, you could also put it like this; making money while on and off AFK means not having to do it when you want to roleplay.
Having keybinds do the work while you're doing homework or sleeping is just full of shit, you're not even playing the game so I mean, if someone tries to roleplay with you, you're basically an NPC.
Have you read the OP?
Botting have never been allowed, use common sense... Oh ye, most people lack it.
Keybinds are bots in a way, they automatically press keys and type sh*t for you. If you allow people to use keybinds, you're also allowing them to use bots. It's just a matter of how you look at it.
Look, criminals found a loophole, told HQ about it, and were then told they could use it. Surprise surprise, criminals like easy money (common sense), so they did. But, it's been plugged now, problem solved, lessons learned, everybody happy.
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Keybinds are bots in a way, they automatically press keys and type sh*t for you. If you allow people to use keybinds, you're also allowing them to use bots. It's just a matter of how you look at it.
Look, criminals found a loophole, told HQ about it, and were then told they could use it. Surprise surprise, criminals like easy money (common sense), so they did. But, it's been plugged now, problem solved, lessons learned, everybody happy.
Ok, I often play a game that is named Rust, they allow AutoHotkey to be used in enchanting the easiness of having keybinds as long you are not botting with them. That means; You cannot use it as a bot that do stuff for you AUTOMATICALLY rather than MANUALLY. AutoHotkey has been used for botting a lot of times and people have been banned for it in the game Rust as Autohotkey can actually be used to bot your mouse movement too, which has been used to remove the recoil and even aim on different targets. THAT IS BOTTING, You don't press a key manually to do that.
Use your little common sense you got left or get the fuck out of here. I'm tired of you trying to make a good image over yourself and that you believe you did nothing wrong when you got banned. You did wrong and you never realize that because you have no fucking common sense. You disgust me.
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Keybinds are bots in a way, they automatically press keys and type sh*t for you. If you allow people to use keybinds, you're also allowing them to use bots. It's just a matter of how you look at it.
It still requires user input to produce an outcome unlike what some did which was no user input at all whilst a script loops for them.
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Ok, I often play a game that is named Rust, they allow AutoHotkey to be used in enchanting the easiness of having keybinds as long you are not botting with them. That means; You cannot use it as a bot that do stuff for you AUTOMATICALLY rather than MANUALLY. AutoHotkey has been used for botting a lot of times and people have been banned for it in the game Rust as Autohotkey can actually be used to bot your mouse movement too, which has been used to remove the recoil and even aim on different targets. THAT IS BOTTING, You don't press a key manually to do that.
Difference is that on that server people were told it wasn't allowed and they clearly punished people for it, here it was a known trick and we were told that we could do it.
Use your little common sense you got left or get the fuck out of here. I'm tired of you trying to make a good image over yourself and that you believe you did nothing wrong when you got banned. You did wrong and you never realize that because you have no fucking common sense. You disgust me.
I clearly admitted that I did make some mistakes, but I'm not just talking about myself here, lot's of people did it. I'm not just trying to justify my own actions here, I'm merely explaining why some did it in the first place.
It still requires user input to produce an outcome unlike what some did which was no user input at all whilst a script loops for them.
And that's why I agree on the fact that it's now punishable. I get that I was close to crossing the line, but I would've never done it in the first place if Teddy didn't approve of it. That's the only reason I went against my common sense and did it. 'Easy money, not hurting anyone, HQ approves of it, why not?'
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This is a notice of changes in rules because some people ruined it for the rest of the players, not a place to argue and justify actions. Period.
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Difference is that on that server people were told it wasn't allowed and they clearly punished people for it, here it was a known trick and we were told that we could do it.
I clearly admitted that I did make some mistakes, but I'm not just talking about myself here, lot's of people did it. I'm not just trying to justify my own actions here, I'm merely explaining why some did it in the first place.
And that's why I agree on the fact that it's now punishable. I get that I was close to crossing the line, but I would've never done it in the first place if Teddy didn't approve of it. That's the only reason I went against my common sense and did it. 'Easy money, not hurting anyone, HQ approves of it, why not?'
Okay, we get it now. Now get in the server and play instead of continuously arguing some pointless shit here.
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Okay, we get it now. Now get in the server and play instead of continuously arguing some pointless shit here.
Have you been in the server lately? I've been around. We should roleplay sometime, you seem like a very friendly guy. ;)
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Just stop provoking him constantly, we already know you lack the required mental ability to understand your wrongdoing but this behavior is what we love to get rid of on the server and forums alltogether.
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you lack the required mental ability
act responsibly and not like a fucking 8-year old?
Now get in the server and play instead of continuously arguing some pointless shit here.
Some of the highlights. Yes, you're right, I should stop provoking all of these very mature people.
In all seriousness, I rest my case. I tried to make a point, got sh*t on, and I sh*t back. I'm not perfect, and admitted it, but neither are (some) you. So please, for the love of god, stop acting like it. That's all.
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Indeed it is a growing problem, the tension between staff and players. Something I am looking to resolve as it does no good for either party.
Frustration and anger are no excuse for hostile behaviour over the internet between staff and players alike, it also does no good for the server playerbase or development work.
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I agree with Devin here, that crap needs to stop from both sides
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Just stop provoking him constantly, we already know you lack the required mental ability to understand your wrongdoing but this behavior is what we love to get rid of on the server and forums alltogether.
yeah like getting a banana for 60 seconds for just fucking around with your friend who DIDN'T TAKE INSULT to it or a tempban for 30 minutes because of "Attitude Issues" when there was no provocation/insult (to anyone) or anything worth such a punishment. I have a report about it, and that shit's about a month old.
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Time to drop it. It only takes one party to stop arguing for the argument to stop. Be the adult here eh? ;)
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yeah like getting a banana for 60 seconds for just fucking around with your friend who DIDN'T TAKE INSULT to it or a tempban for 30 minutes because of "Attitude Issues" when there was no provocation/insult (to anyone) or anything worth such a punishment. I have a report about it, and that shit's about a month old.
If you don't see an issue with the way you are typing your current message I have nothing to help you with.
For your information you submitted a report on the 2nd of May which makes it 15 days ago not a month.
Your report was also resolved within a week, just because you heard nothing about it does not mean nothing happened with it.
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just because you heard nothing about it does not mean nothing happened with it.
If I may ask to have an opinion..
that is the worst way to do it. A simple "Ok" would've been better
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We have received over 300 reports via that method in the past few months, to reply to each one of them with a message isn't really necessary.
In most cases the reporting player won't even hear back from the HQ team unless necessary. Every report submitted does get checked and dealt with.
Essentially once you report something it should be off of your mind, I don't see why a person would need to follow up on something that will be handled just like reports ingame.
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People like at least getting the feeling their report's being looked into. Without hearing something, it feels like it's ignored, especially if 0 consequences appear to be connected to the report from the reporter's perspective. This thing where the follow-up isn't shown to the reporter, is where the ''reporting to the email never works'' stereotype stems from.
I get the logistics problem, though. Especially since an unsatisfactory result will probably lead to more discussion between reporter and HQ, and a lot of the reports probably aren't that important from HQ's perspective.
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We are in a topic discussing how human interaction is important, the automated email you receive from "gandalf" when contacting the HQ via email just explaining the damn rules again is just plain silly.
I understand 300 reports is a fuckton and responding to each individual one would take time, that's why I said a "ok" would suffice, all we care about is our voice being heard, yelling into a cave without a response gets tiring after a while.
Although responding to it with you actual name might give players incentive to bother you about it. I get it, I just hope you see it from our perspective too.
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Your report was also resolved within a week, just because you heard nothing about it does not mean nothing happened with it.
[/quote]And the result is?
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And the result is?
The result remains within the staff team. The report was handled as we deem necessary.