This is why Gandalf was against allowing terrorist groups in Argonath. It's hard to do it without this type of fiasco being created.FLA isn't a terror group. :uhm:
Personally, I feel that FLA is using their group as an excuse to be excluded from rules such as deathmatching. I was once in game, did not even know of the presence of any group called FLA, and I was patrolling in a helicopter. I drove over Angel Pine and was met with gun fire and was almost shot down.Oh right, you were just randomly patrolling the dead back'o'beyond where little to no players go, and despite FLA's topic being the most posted in lately, you didn't know about their existence... :rolleyes:
At the end of the day, it is law enforcement who come to us, it is law enforcement who block what we claim to be our roads, forcing us to go and remove them, if law enforcement did not come to us, we would not go to them, there would be no fighting, surely that would be best, since the job of law enforcement is meant to be to keep the peace, the only solution to end all this is an independent Flint Country.
Aye, don't come to us, and there will be no shootout.
It was always pretty clear to me how this would turn out, the thing is, I don't think there's ever been as big of a challenge to law enforcement as FLA is and that would be why things have escalated so much between both sides, if you ask me what started all the chaos - that incident with SWAT and their tasers in Flint County, but they will say it was the situation at LS bank in which we killed them all with RPG's, etc, but I guess we'll leave that in the past now.I have heard that your group also searches up the ARPD itself. So you're the pot calling the kettle black.
At the end of the day, it is law enforcement who come to us, it is law enforcement who block what we claim to be our roads, forcing us to go and remove them, if law enforcement did not come to us, we would not go to them, there would be no fighting, surely that would be best, since the job of law enforcement is meant to be to keep the peace, the only solution to end all this is an independent Flint Country.
Players that play as cops in the game think they have the privilege and the power to do as they please ingame. I don't give a fuck if a badge means something to you I would slit your throat just as easy as I would to a homeless man.
This is like the Stanford Prison experiment where the police think they have more power than us. Simply tell the cops to get down from lala land and accept the fact that you can't stop a rebellion like that just because you carry a badge.
You either fight against the rebellion the right way or stop the bullshit. Going to them 24/7 guns blazing clearly isn't working for you. Did it take 3 minutes for the USA to find and kill Bin Laden? It takes time. Although I don't feel the need to offer my assistance to those who roleplay as cops I think it's time. Here's a hint. Take them down one at a time. Start from the bottom of the chain and work your way up. Get some dirt on each player and it take it through court then if the judge pleads guilty the defendant has a restraining order to be within that particular area. This is just an example of how you can attack an issue as a team.
A bunch of idiots really want to ruin a unique roleplay just because they disagree with a part of the map being independent; When was the last time you saw a successful group like this with unique objectives? unbelievable. How about the ARPD sponsors/supports a Legal party in dismembering the FLA? Find other ways. I'm tired of all your bullshit. This doesn't just go towards cops because a couple of criminals groups really get on my tits.
I'm done here. I hope the HQ respects and takes my opinion above into consideration.
*Drops mic*
@eymas
Closing FLA is an option I would rather not take, but I feel we aren't getting to any other option if they remain on their set goal of bullying the ARPD. I liked their idea of an independent country with their own lifestyle but so far it's just a covert TDM, alas from what I keep hearing... The ARPD keeps fueling this as well.:lol:
I doubt anyone enjoys SA:MP anymore thanks to this global war, and we must come to a solution to keep both groups happy to a degree.
Practically, From what I understood. FLA just wants to have an independent country acknowledged by the state of argonath. De facto this isn't required as you can already roleplay this by our ruling. Players have the choice to accept or refuse this as they travel through flint county. They cannot be forced to comply with the policies that this country would then enforce. That way one part of the entire shitstorm is potentially solved.
First of all, they're not gonna get an independent country. None from Law Enforcement is gonna let that happen. It's normal and it wouldn't be let done in real life either, imagine some militia in USA rebelling against government. Oh wait, it happened. Take Oregon Militia as example.You are pretty much not in a position to dictate wether we get independence or not, that is up to Gandalf/HQ, and the only way the shooting is going to stop is, well, either law enforcement stops coming to us, or Flint Country gets independence.
Try aiming to solutions that we can all agree on.Independence?
Only problem being that even if we kill the head of the snake in this case, the head comes back (in a different situation obviously) :lol:
What are the objectives? There's never, ever going to be a formal proposal to "liberate" Flint Count from the rest of the map.
This is all fine if your objectives are attainable, but are they?
I haven't seen any roleplay from the cops against FLA besides guns blazing(sorry if i sound a little biased).I'll be honest, FLA haven't roleplayed at all lately, we don't have time to, as soon as we group up to do something there's a mob of angry cops waiting to close the roads or generally come to Angel Pine to 'patrol'.
Yes, it's always guns blazing because if cops enter Flint County, we get shot at. Obviously we'll retaliate.Entering rebel held territory gets law enforcement/(uh, army) shot at, just as it would in reality.
Kinda think of it like the issue with North Korea vs South Korea.Aye, so lets create a cease fire, during this, law enforcement will stay out of 'Flint Country', we can organise it in RP if you like.
Like i have said, You already have your independence if we look at the server rules.What you have said gets us no closer, but I guess FLA and law enforcements leaders can try to broker something in-game.
Basically, You and players that want can roleplay your country already.
The passerby players however have the choice to accept or deny playing along, and cannot be forced to follow your country's playstyle.
Dito for the ARPD, They cannot be restricted from entering the county upon pursuits or patrols, Their job covers the state in the first place.
You can't shoot them on sight either, since that's deathmatching. Rebel or not. Shouldn't exploit it as an excuse either.
This hopefully gets us a little closer to the ceasefire chase mentioned :rolleyes:
They can roleplay all they want their rebel group. If they do it properly however. If they decide to make a roadblock, and get approached by Police and FBI, they should play along. They can't expect us to execute their unrealistic demands. I'm there to roleplay as an FBI Agent, they're there to roleplay as rebels. Watch how it works on youtube and come back and play along. You're acting as if it's normal for rebels to block roads in real life and let it be tolerated by cops, or shoot on sight. Well then my friend, you get done properly by an unmanned predator drone that bombs you without you even knowing how you died afterwards, Since this is Argonath, all I'll ask for is play along and stop with unrealistic demands and unrealistic roleplay.And so the fighting will continue until independence...
And so the fighting will continue until independence...See what I'm talking about managers, admins, developers and HQ :)?
What you have said gets us no closer, but I guess FLA and law enforcements leaders can try to broker something in-game.You mean independence isn't what you want? :neutral2:
:lol:
The thing is, FLA is pretty much the most active non-law enforcement group on the server, what we do is what is
I'll leave you with this picture from when law enforcement came to us in Angel Pine and tazed me yesterday.(http://i.imgur.com/qLawblx.jpg)
So I suggest the same, if it can't be an independent country, make it an independent state. SAPD and SA Govt' won't have jurisdiction in Flint County and Whetstone. It will have its own constitution based on the feedback of its citizens, its govt will be created from the citizens of Flint and Whetstone (those who want to improve it as a state) and will learn to operate and cooperate with other states of Argonath (San Andreas, Liberty City, Vice City). The President will try to resolve the conflicts and make it an united state of argonath. That way conflict ends.If it must remain under Gandalf then I'd support this.
Professionalism at its best.(http://i.imgur.com/qLawblx.jpg)
Like i have said, You already have your independence if we look at the server rules.The unofficial solution's already there :neutral2:
Basically, You and players that want can roleplay your country already.
The passerby players however have the choice to accept or deny playing along, and cannot be forced to follow your country's playstyle.
Dito for the ARPD, They cannot be restricted from entering the county upon pursuits or patrols, Their job covers the state in the first place.
You can't shoot them on sight either, since that's deathmatching. Rebel or not. Shouldn't exploit it as an excuse either.
Professionalism at its best.Indeed...what a disgrace.
Professionalism at its best.I guess that was sarcasm.
I guess that was sarcasm.You guessed right.
I understand you now.
I'll leave you with this picture from when law enforcement came to us in Angel Pine and tazed me yesterday.(http://i.imgur.com/qLawblx.jpg)
Oh right, you were just randomly patrolling the dead back'o'beyond where little to no players go, and despite FLA's topic being the most posted in lately, you didn't know about their existence... :rolleyes:
I fail to find a valid reason with a proper roleplay based motive against myself for you to shoot me down. I have no less authority to patrol the air at Angel Pine than I do in for example Fort Carson and Los Santos.Except that Lawdogs arent exactly welcomed in Fort Carson by the Nomads.
The Court hereby revokes the conjunction, rendering it null and void effective immediately.
More on point though, the whole FLA vs SAPD has become a daily "battle" for both sides. Granted, I support FLA for its unique group accompishments, and it brings more players into the server, the question is at what cost? Sure, it's nice to see 50+ players online, but what does that say about Argonath if half the server is participating in TDM?Indeed, it's starting to be boring when 90% of law enforcement sit at Flint Toll or Angel Pine and FLA members (around 5-10?) that are online just to fight eachother, leaving like the rest of 50 players being alone/bored as hell in the other cities because they have almost nobody to interact with.
What this means for FLA:The only solution for this is for you to resign from FLA Mikal, a true leader does not speak like this. I look at Hubbe and i look at you i see a big difference. A leader who has nothing to earn, a leader who does not plan, a leader who has nothing to loose is not a leader... all you are doing is gathering up people, getting them killed, and in the end what are you winning? Nothing. A leader is best when people barely know he exists, he's patient and focuses more in a certain goal and vision instead of focusing into a war. Why can't you have peace and freedom? Because you execute Officers adverse it on the news, you approach law with R.P.G.S on public areas, you attack their roadblocks with your men, you take zero responsibility for your actions, always winning in your mind, always fooling people.
We will now need to kill any law enforcement that comes near us ASAP to prevent them calling backup, since we will not be removing our masks under any circumstances, so, all this new law has done is set the stage for alot of shootouts, gg. :rolleyes:
And I don't know why you think we'd close down, I personally have nothing to lose and will respond to any court case against me with "I do not live in your jurisdiction", and if I do get cash forcefully removed from my account due to a court case, well, good luck, I only have 4k, all of my stuff is invested in FLA and don't plan on earning anything anytime soon, damn, I'm pretty untouchable now that I think about it! But sure I'll happily serve "100 years" in jail if it makes you guys happy. :lol:
In the end though, I don't see how we can be considered a terrorist organisation, since the only people causing shootouts are law enforcement by approaching us in the first place, this is like some American Govt BS right here, why can't we just have peace and freedom?
Oh great idea! Lead an army against my own group!
What caused all chaos and rivalry between FLA and law enforcement was what happened at LS Bank, at first it was a protest lead by farmers against taxes and police driving on the crops in Flint County, we were peacefully protesting, using /riot whilst stood on our tractors at LS Bank when SWAT decided to come, surrounded us with cars, a tank, and police snipers then stood infront of us with batons, we weren't going to leave and neither were SWAT, so we took the first action and attacked, law enforcement all died, and then days later that incident happened in Flint County where some certain things were abused, and ever since then it's been a constant downhill road, don't see it getting any better myself.
But we won't kneel to law enforcement, we will deal with them as a threat as we always have, just this time they can suspect and arrest us for much more minor things and so we need to ensure those who see such things don't walk away and get help, else we'll just have a constant police army on our asses.
And like any 'criminals', if we are caught committing a crime, we will do everything in our power to get away with it, including killing.
Consequences of having such a group I guess.
:lol:
The thing is, FLA is pretty much the most active non-law enforcement group on the server, what we do is what is keeping players coming on, a few have actually told me they only came back for FLA, I'm not gloating, I'm seeing it how it is, despite RS5.2 the server population has once again dropped and now you think you can come over here suggesting to close one of the things keeping it going, as I've said, if police didn't come to us or block what we call our borders, there would be no shootout, how many times do I have to say that? It's not like we actively group up and then going into Los Santos looking for cops to kill, and I feel like that's what you're making it out we do...
I'll leave you with this picture from when law enforcement came to us in Angel Pine and tazed me yesterday.(http://i.imgur.com/qLawblx.jpg)
I'll leave you with this picture from when law enforcement came to us in Angel Pine and tazed me yesterday.There you go again twisting the situation, making yourself look like a victim in the eyes of others. What you did is : You shoot at heavy air, and barricaded yourself inside, then the units attempted to breach the area you were inside, then you got out and got killed/tazed, some officers thought it would be a joke to piss on you because of the pictures you have posted about them lately (some of them are victims :P) but they did it in a way of banter even at the same time i pm'd you to ignore it as it wasn't professional. People were warned that day.(http://i.imgur.com/qLawblx.jpg)
I'll leave you with this picture from when law enforcement came to us in Angel Pine and tazed me yesterday.I really am too close to not come back to Argonath after finishing with my degree after seeing this picture, I thought such stuff stopped. No matter how much you complain how abusive and corrupt they are, they will never be treated similar. We have to be honest, the indifference of staff team doing between criminals and cops is what really adds more fuel to the fire. Cops tend to flee from any wrong deeds they commit. If we want to talk, let's at least be honest with ourselves. As I've experienced this myself playing the 3 roles in Argonath (the top criminal, the citizen and the top cop), cops tend to intentionally provoke anyone who's indifferent from their views, their role-play style or even personal grudges. I've witnessed a lot of cases during all these years whether it's on TS, on Skype, on the main fucking chat or /cb. They intentionally find ways to provoke the other side to create chaos then whine to their friends in the staff team, hoping to disband that group of people or kick them out of the server permanently. Stop thinking that your top SAPD and FBI guys are so perfect that they won't do any mistake, we are fucking humans and there is no one who can't do a mistake. So staff team, wake the fuck up about this one, it's time to do so.(http://i.imgur.com/qLawblx.jpg)
...leaving like the rest of 50 players being alone/bored as hell in the other cities because they have almost nobody to interact with.
Law enforcement are willing to negotiate reasonable requests. Saying 'we no want u to enter flint countRy!' isn't a reasonable demand for law enforcement organisations to accept.I think saying that is very reasonable considering all the death from both sides.
I fail to find a valid reason with a proper roleplay based motive against myself for you to shoot me down. I have no less authority to patrol the air at Angel Pine than I do in for example Fort Carson and Los Santos.Angel Pine is a rebel controlled area, FLA have been there for months now and the amount of fighting that has taken place, been discussed, argued about, pictures uploaded of, etc, should be enough to tell you that there is a risk there... Don't tell me you just randomly decided to fly round there without knowing about FLA.
I do hope people have seen the change made here;Funny thing is, that law came in when FLA's activity started to decrease, seeing that is what created alot of this chaos.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=116578.msg1833491#msg1833491
Indeed, it's starting to be boring when 90% of law enforcement sit at Flint Toll or Angel Pine and FLA members (around 5-10?) that are online just to fight eachother, leaving like the rest of 50 players being alone/bored as hell in the other cities because they have almost nobody to interact with.The fighting is getting very repetitive, perhaps a deal for a ceasefire can be made in the coming days? :rolleyes:
Wow Khm, just... :app:I really am too close to not come back to Argonath after finishing with my degree after seeing this picture, I thought such stuff stopped. No matter how much you complain how abusive and corrupt they are, they will never be treated similar. We have to be honest, the indifference of staff team doing between criminals and cops is what really adds more fuel to the fire. Cops tend to flee from any wrong deeds they commit. If we want to talk, let's at least be honest with ourselves. As I've experienced this myself playing the 3 roles in Argonath (the top criminal, the citizen and the top cop), cops tend to intentionally provoke anyone who's indifferent from their views, their role-play style or even personal grudges. I've witnessed a lot of cases during all these years whether it's on TS, on Skype, on the main fucking chat or /cb. They intentionally find ways to provoke the other side to create chaos then whine to their friends in the staff team, hoping to disband that group of people or kick them out of the server permanently. Stop thinking that your top SAPD and FBI guys are so perfect that they won't do any mistake, we are fucking humans and there is no one who can't do a mistake. So staff team, wake the fuck up about this one, it's time to do so.
Criminals on the other side have this thing that they refuse to lose a role-play scenario, this might has changed recently but I didn't witness it so I don't know much about it. But this must-win mentality is also what led to this and what will lead to worse.
To be honest, we have come to an end that we won't find a solution about this FLA vs Cops (not ARPD but all COPS), it has already got out of hand specially with both of them refusing to lose, you guys will have to close one of the groups (which we all know you won't do it on Cops because "it's historic and started with Argonath from the beginning we can't destroy cops man wtf").
The perfect solution to this is to give FLA what they want and leave them role-play but there must be an agreement between the two countries that anyone can go freely between both lands with a passport/visa/ticket w/e you want and stop this nonsense fight of toddlers.
P.s. I might get banned just writing that as it's the naked truth. :lol:
It has been good for the production of meth though. I've (heard that other people) made easily 2kg with 20+ law enforcement officers online and in broad-daylight public places.:lol: They really are too busy in Flint Country.
Funny thing is, that law came in when FLA's activity started to decrease, seeing that is what created alot of this chaos.
Why do you have to continue it instead of creating your group other roleplay scenarios? Go over the woods, role-play rebels moving arms from state to state not on highways on convoys but out of sight! There are plenty of others things you can roleplay to get players interaction in county areas instead of roadblocks and shootouts!Do you have any common sense at all? you're accusing us of not roleplaying things that are meant to stay hidden, how the f... would you know about them in the first place?
Those videos of cops carpet bombing Angel Pine with a Hydra was interesting to watch to say the least.You should've seen those videos where in that exact situation cops got killed on-entrance because " your entering a terrorist state, what you expect cup of tea?". Don't speak and cause more hate in this topic without knowing the whole side of the story, help your Manager Mr.Leader .. don't push this.
Those videos of cops carpet bombing Angel Pine with a Hydra was interesting to watch to say the least.
You should've seen those videos where in that exact situation cops got killed on-entrance because " your entering a terrorist state, what you expect cup of tea?". Don't speak and cause more hate in this topic without knowing the whole side of the story, help your Manager Mr.Leader .. don't push this.Because entering an independent-declared city as lonely uniformed cop, approaching armed masked people who you brand as 'terrorists' yourself and taking pictures of them while next to them while laughing, shouldn't get you shot. Quality logic my friend :app:
Remove this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaraqKHW2E&feature=youtu.be
And Hydra can be removed also since the above is considered valid RP so I don't understand by use of hydra after the slaughter of so many cops doesn't warrant it for people with c4/grenades/rpg etc.
I do believe removal explosive ordinance should be removed for the good of the server and even if the Hydra stays, it cannot be used to shoot under any circumstance no matter what but only to track people in the sea.
instead of taking evasive actionI guess it's kinda hard to take evasive action when someone steps out with an M4 walks away then quickly scrolls to an RPG and takes somewhat of an aim with no RP interaction whatsoever, all within a couple of seconds.
So you simply knew that a person in a car you just drove up to is "John Corleone" without even seeing an ID? You tell a person to remain in the vehicle but do nothing to stop a person leaving the car and walking away.
You then get aimed at with an RPG, instead of taking evasive action someone is too busy typing "inb4 rpgs us" in the group chat.
And then you blame people for being hostile when you surround them and they have a notoriety and you do nothing to secure the area? Honestly speaking you brought that upon yourselves for not ensuring everyone remained in the vehicle as you arrived.
It wouldn't be right to blame this all on FLA or all on SAPD. The last days the police have been more active in Flint Country, which we ofcourse have to respond to. Sure, we could interact more, but usually it ends up with "YOU TERRORIST SCUM"-kind of attitude and laughing at all our demands (I laugh at our demands too sometimes, but that's OOC). There is no way to negotiate any more, today I tried to talk to a cop at the LS tunnel, I simply asked him what was going on, in response he said "On your mark" at the radio and went behind his car, ready for a shootout. We left the scene.
As the police use better weapons, we do too. And vice versa, it's a vicious circle.
When under my command in the future, I will think more about interacting, sometimes it can be worth the risk to get tased. I hope the police does it too.
Can't be serious. Try doing a traffic stop on them to check their ID and let me know what happens. Though that is another discussion.
I won't continue this because I think there is a huge lack of knowledge on what you're claiming we could've done. Nevertheless, point was, what FLA did warranted the use of Hydra and that was after they slaughtered cops, shot choppers down not, "oh FLA, lets bomb".
The video you just provided was of Corleone members, the person that shot the RPG is not even a part of FLA so I fail to see why you used this to try blame FLA for hostile actions.
What you were doing wasn't just a traffic stop now was it? Why would you call an unidentified person by name if it was.
Say I have a lack of knowledge all you like, but until you see things from either perspective you should take into consideration that as a law enforcement agency member you won't always win in a battle or situation.
So you simply knew that a person in a car you just drove up to is "John Corleone" without even seeing an ID? You tell a person to remain in the vehicle but do nothing to stop a person leaving the car and walking away.Finally you woke up..
You then get aimed at with an RPG, instead of taking evasive action someone is too busy typing "inb4 rpgs us" in the group chat.
And then you blame people for being hostile when you surround them and they have a notoriety and you do nothing to secure the area? Honestly speaking you brought that upon yourselves for not ensuring everyone remained in the vehicle as you arrived.
Can't be serious. Try doing a traffic stop on them to check their ID and let me know what happens. Though that is another discussion.Arguments aside, I'm just trying to understand your logic here.
Even tho we do not use public affairs as S.A.P.D to explain our side from the law enfrocement and we're always guilty for our way we react to this group, i'd like to say a few words in this topic. First of it i'm glad that Eyemas did this topic but at the same time i'm disappointed as the leaders of F.L.A failed to make one of it or at-least try to approach diplomatically in-game in order to maintain this issue and take responsibility over their actions. Maybe this is the reason why they are counted as a terrorist group, because they have nothing to loose, they use maximum ammunation and people (/cb COME ANGEL LETS KILL COPPAS)) to finish one goal - Kill as much law enforcement as possible and turn this server into a TDM. Thing is i agree with Eyemas, as much as Mikal can brag ppl are joining Argonath just for FLA (or other mafia members come to angel pine just for fla) some people are leaving this server just because of FLA, some are sick of this server because of FLA, why? Because we cannot enjoy what we used to do(personally speaking)... instead of me worrying on leading and developing my department, creating random scenarios in-game for my Officers.. I need to worry about gathering units into responding a group of terrorist who have "executed" one of my officers and are barricaded inside an interior with C4. I gotta worry about setting tasks forces, patrols, border checks in order to prevent SAPD Officers being killed just because they enter that area. I'm getting sick of this, i didn't sign up for this.. i didn't sign up to handle people who have no idea on leadership or maintaining reputation of their own group.First of, why should we have to call people to Angel Pine to 'kill coppahs', why don't you just stay away? According to you we are terrorists, why would you go to a terrorist controlled town and then moan about being shot at? The thing is that you are so desperate to enforce your laws on us that it's usually you guys who cause the shootouts, you come telling us to remove our masks, you come telling us to put pay our weapons, etc, as I have said, don't come to us and there will not be a shootout, stop saying "they come to Angel Pine" as if you've always been there, Angel Pine was DEAD before FLA moved in, we've spread activity to a quiet part of the map and yet we still cannot seem to escape the police who are always looking for someone to /su.
The only solution for this is for you to resign from FLA Mikal, a true leader does not speak like this. I look at Hubbe and i look at you i see a big difference. A leader who has nothing to earn, a leader who does not plan, a leader who has nothing to loose is not a leader... all you are doing is gathering up people, getting them killed, and in the end what are you winning? Nothing. A leader is best when people barely know he exists, he's patient and focuses more in a certain goal and vision instead of focusing into a war. Why can't you have peace and freedom? Because you execute Officers adverse it on the news, you approach law with R.P.G.S on public areas, you attack their roadblocks with your men, you take zero responsibility for your actions, always winning in your mind, always fooling people.Sure, I'll just resign from the group I co-created and have raised from nothing to something which is pretty much as powerful as law enforcement, just without the free weapons and heavy air... I do have nothing to lose and I'm actually proud of that, I've put myself in a position where the courts can't touch me, and why wouldn't I if I truly believe the Argonath courts have to jurisdiction in Flint Country, wouldn't you say that's the planning that you say I don't do? Trust me when I say this, we do plan alot, which is why we've done so much obliterating lately, and every loss we take is just in my eyes, another exposure of our enemies weaknesses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHgrkcZ408Another situation where you guys approached us and died... Thank you for that.
What you do is keeping the players come? Yes, we get shootouts they die and then what? Do they remain there and roleplay? No they simply leave wait till another shoot-out comes, so they get to kill some cops. Nothing permanently productive, simply temporary. We work by our constitution and as long as Gandalf or court will not edit it and claim you guys are independent we will keep coming and disrupting those actions. Why do you have to continue it instead of creating your group other roleplay scenarios? Go over the woods, role-play rebels moving arms from state to state not on highways on convoys but out of sight! There are plenty of others things you can roleplay to get players interaction in county areas instead of roadblocks and shootouts!Woah, stop the propaganda, this topic is out of RP, in your eyes we always die right? Wrong, just goes to show how ontop of the world you think law enforcement are, which is why FLA are teaching you a real lesson in equality, we've created a group that law enforcement cannot always defeat, and you do not like it.
There you go again twisting the situation, making yourself look like a victim in the eyes of others. What you did is : You shoot at heavy air, and barricaded yourself inside, then the units attempted to breach the area you were inside, then you got out and got killed/tazed, some officers thought it would be a joke to piss on you because of the pictures you have posted about them lately (some of them are victims :P) but they did it in a way of banter even at the same time i pm'd you to ignore it as it wasn't professional. People were warned that day.Oh yes, the heavy air that was in Angel Pine with you when you guys came looking for another shootout, the heavy air which had, just a day before, flown around Angel Pine shooting rockets anywhere and everywhere, from what I heard, hitting plenty of people.
So that's all..
Please, be my guest and tell me how that action of tevins differs from when FLA was surrounded by cops and tased without a word said by the cops even after Mikal tried to speak with one of the officers and was plainly ignored? If you want to say tevins actions are wrong then in the same light all of the officers that tased FLA members at their HQ are in the wrong too.The fact that they were warned several times on the way to the barn and that there was interaction within the situation beforehand?
Arguments aside, I'm just trying to understand your logic here.And I understand that. I didn't say you should step out of the car and lay on the ground as if it was a fairly tale. I was merely making the point as Devin so easily said you could've done this or that to stop them when as you've showed, even stopping criminals for a traffic stop is close to impossible successful.
If FBI pulls over a criminal who's well aware of his crimes, in middle of day for no specified reason, he becomes 100% aware of what's going on since you boys are subtle as a bucket of bricks, do you expect him to simply give up everytime, even when he has a fair chance of running?
PostI'm not but I can see your very angry and letting it all out so I'll let you continue.
Please, be my guest and tell me how that action of tevins differs from when FLA was surrounded by cops and tased without a word said by the cops even after Mikal tried to speak with one of the officers and was plainly ignored? If you want to say tevins actions are wrong then in the same light all of the officers that tased FLA members at their HQ are in the wrong too.
I'm not but I can see your very angry and letting it all out so I'll let you continue.You are and you did. If you took that as I am angry then you lack the skills of having a hard argumentative discussion which is actually needed in here. :lol: I am just taking the chance of this being dropped out into the public face and the naked truth being shown to everyone to ensure keeping FLA's newly role-play style within the server. Like I said earlier, I've played with the 3 role-play faces; the top criminals, the innocent citizen and the top cop. I know all the old tricks and tools on how each side work which is rather disgusting to.., nvm you won't understand anyways.
You are and you did. If you took that as I am angry then you lack the skills of having a hard argumentative discussion which is actually needed in here. :lol: I am just taking the chance of this being dropped out into the public face and the naked truth being shown to everyone to ensure keeping FLA's newly role-play style within the server. Like I said earlier, I've played with the 3 role-play faces; the top criminals, the innocent citizen and the top cop. I know all the old tricks and tools on how each side work which is rather disgusting to.., nvm you won't understand anyways.Point of topic is to reach common ground and how we can improve interaction not to close FLA and nor do my posts suggest that so I actually have no idea what you're talking about.
don't make the FLA the next one, at least for the damn sake of what's left in this SA:MP division.I had forgotten that CIA were in a similar position, I guess FBI couldn't handle having a similar organisation about?
Also we've also tried a traffic stop, all they do is /engine and vanish.Get some faster cars or better drivers then? :rolleyes:
Please, be my guest and tell me how that action of tevins differs from when FLA was surrounded by cops and tased without a word said by the cops even after Mikal tried to speak with one of the officers and was plainly ignored? If you want to say tevins actions are wrong then in the same light all of the officers that tased FLA members at their HQ are in the wrong too.Oh thank you Devin! First time I've seen any HQ member mention that situation in a way which details how sort of wrong it was... :app:
The fact that they were warned several times on the way to the barn and that there was interaction within the situation beforehand?Warned? You followed us for like 20 minutes around Los Santos, rammed the crap out of Dan/Hubbe's truck at the toll, did the same up until the barn then just parked up staring at us, when I attempted to communicate you guys, you completely ignored me, instead just tasing the fuck out of us and then acting like it was a normal day at the office where everything was handled properly, it's all on video, why try to say anything otherwise?
I do accept there are errors on both sides. What is needed is stronger management of groups from both sides. Any flaws, the people responsible should be pulled out after and explained what to change after by their leaders.
Indeed people make mistakes, now can we get to the point of view the issues between parties? This is a roleplay server and everyone is here to be entertained and have a good time. When issues like this arise no one has a good time.
Let's just sort this out in roleplay manners, make a pseudo meeting/conference or something.
I'd rather see HQ/ government officials (like mayors, supreme judge) taking action in this to cease fire instead of LE heads as it will only be ink on papers, we've proved countless of times that they are not capable in doing such stuff, the plans behind the scenes will always make sure to have personal advantages in the whole situation.I think the judge should be present yes, wouldn't make sense if only law enforcement would decide what to do about a territorial government case.
I had forgotten that CIA were in a similar position, I guess FBI couldn't handle having a similar organisation about?Detective Bureau also buddy, don't forget the days of my regin. :lol:
I think the judge should be present yes, wouldn't make sense if only law enforcement would decide what to do about a territorial government case.
Detective Bureau also buddy, don't forget the days of my regin. :lol:That was on you, buddy.
That was on you, buddy.
Sure was but it didn't help with the assistance of other little BUDDIES. Buddy.You made it about you. Buddy!
(This aint about me so lets not turn it to that)
You made it about you. Buddy!
You made it about you. Buddy!Yeah let's not Mr Chief. After all I can be tossed to the side and easily replaced, dpmo.
You are seen as a enemy of the state, a terrorist, so I am telling you to surrender
There is a bad side and good side of shutting down FLA.Oh look, a wild "hurr durr i cant beat FLA admin pls shut down FLA so my virtual ego can come back" in its natural habitat.
Bad side is, it will most likely lower playerbase,less RP,less fun,less interactions,less drama etc...
Good side is, law enforcement can focus more on other criminal activites. And we will no longer live under the fear that the State we are protecting and serving, may lose it's part to some terrorists.
I don't care how much hate I get right after this apply, but I am gonna admit it, I am fully on SAPD's side and a hundred percent against the FLA. I would do anything to stop their operations.
But ofcourse, after getting discipline from my SAPD instructors, I learned not to provocate,bait FLA, and not to rush at them and shoot them. So, I will only use force against the FLA when neccessary.
This post might get alot of hate, but this is my opinion, a opinion from a Cadet who loves the state and who FULLY supports all government's actions, I mean, I am a governmental worker after all.
Most of us understand the idea of "free-rp" in Argonath where if you to be a tree then by all means dig a hole and jump into it.
Closing the group isn't going to be an option I want to consider either because I like the principle of it. And I have tried to bring over the point that you can roleplay your "independent state" if you look at it from our server rules their perspective.
You just have to keep in mind that you can't force that roleplay onto players, they can ignore your state's laws if they drive through it for the sake of reaching san fierro, if they grow weed however then it's a little different.
Simply expand the views and look over any possibility you come across, and you'd realize all that fighting is unnecessary ;)
Most of us understand the idea of "free-rp" in Argonath where if you to be a tree then by all means dig a hole and jump into it.Yep, that's what Argonath's stance on roleplay is, you can be as serious as you want to be, or you roleplay a concrete block in the sidewalk ;)
But this is the same reason FLA and SAPD are at it, if FLA starts pulling over people for not following their laws, they will just bitch to admins, bitch to /cb, bitch in /p or /l or drive away and get killed/arrested(inb4 more bitching) for evading FLA.Doesn't need something like that to avoid bloodbaths, you do need to look at what the cause is. Most of the time people will drive away the instant they know they get a ticket/arrested, or when he/she might(will) get shot for it. Willingly you choose to evade which is why the SAPD can arrest/pursue you for that. On the player side this is a little odd as we consider it to be deathmatching. An odd comparison there, but perhaps we've chosen that route because otherwise people keep killing each other, and they then come to bitch at us for that :neutral2:
If you want to see FLA enforcing their laws with little to no bloodbath, make us the 51st state or a county with its own PD and government, something like that.
Me(FLA army council) and Drix have decided to take a step back in the violence if you check previous pages. So this topic is no longer leading anywhere but to provocation from both sides. I know you all have certain feelings and are upset but let's try this out for a week and see where it goes.If I could get a little more insight from this from both sides + documentation then that would be great. ;)