I personally would like to say that I understand both sides' point of views respectively and I have come up with a solution which is a possible win-win or a halfwin-halfwin, depends on how you see it and depends on how both groups see it.
I have just spoken with Leon and we have just had an hour conversation which we're suppose to continue tomorrow, but I'd like your opinion on it, Devin, and also the server's and both sides that are usually involved. I've spoken about it with Leon before I even told FLA about it. Basically my idea is this: What if we give it some sort of a one-month trial independence and see how we move on from there? I am speaking about Angel Pine, giving Angel Pine independence. One of FLA's Leadership basically told me its nonsense because its just a small town, and even JUST Angel Pine is nearly impossible to give independence because I'm definite that the SAPD doesn't want to be limited on their jurisdiction. But for example, building up a company, you have to start small from somewhere and build your way to the top, and not just start balling from the beginning. If Angel Pine is given a one-month trial as independence, those who continuously ask for it will have that small chance to prove themselves.
IF they fail to do so, HQ will end the experiment/project, whatever you want to call it, and tell FLA to stop asking for independence because they've given them a chance, and they failed to prove themselves. If they succeeded, leave it for a longer period of time and see how it progresses, if it fucks up along the way, see what can be fixed. If it cannot, simply once again just abandon the project. Maybe if a lot of succession is done, it can later on go on to other parts of Flint.
On the other hand, might proposal might have some backlash due to Law Enforcements was jurisdiction everywhere, and they might claim what will happen if a criminal goes to your independent place with different laws? Considering the laws that were broken are on the other side, you will contact the appointed embassies of Angel Pine and find a solution, they might either give you the jurisdiction for a temporary time to capture the suspect, or they send their own forces. If they fail to do so, screw it, just leave it be and call it a day. OR maybe, set up a form of an agreement with some people and set up some of your actual people who would like to RP as cops in Angel Pine as I'm sure no one from FLA would like to be a cop. In order to ensure that the criminals do not enter their boarder, defend the boarder like you were doing at Flint's Bridge, and this goes for both groups.
As Leon has previously mentioned to me privately, why not just roleplay it? And we all know how that went for Argonath for these past years with the mentality of "RP IT", it held back Argonath a lot and a lot of great players were lost of it because some things need to be official, some things need to be visualized. If some of you continue to keep saying "just rp it", why don't you RP the /wear and other objects as well?
This is a sort of win-win situation because Angel Pine will have its own government, its own constitution, its own groups and so on and basically it they'll get their independence which they've been continuously asking for. On the other hand, it will stop SAPD from being forced to join in the shootouts, and will no longer have to be on the look out for FLA. My proposal will help both sides, a lot, and it should be a solution to fixing these constant arguments and mass shootouts that are continuously made. A lot of more possible roleplay will be able to be done due to forcing both sides interacting together in order to help each other and not be enemies.
I assure you that if this isn't given at least a try, come up with a better solution. If you are against with anything that I have mentioned, state it and maybe I can try and find a solution myself. If this doesn't go on, either more chaos will be created In-Game, more fighting, more arguments which will lead to people leaving or HQ to step in and demolish FLA, which will still then get everyone who supports FLA to riot and either end up leaving or cause more chaos with HQ. A solution has to be found, tomorrow if not today, but it has to be found ASAP.
I would prefer such a vote be done in a roleplay manner in game as a referendum. If enough votes pass, I think the court should allow them to secede from the United States of Argonath and form their own government. If not enough votes pass, the only way to solve this in my opinion from then on is to make a armistice or cease fire agreement as I said previously.
Weren't you complaining a month ago how nobody wants to roleplay with cops or FBI? Here, a group of people to roleplay with but no; let's not give them a way to roleplay, let's march in like an army every time we see them. This is your time to form an actual FBI investigation to prove how FLA are terrorists or whatever, here is your chance laid out in front of you on a silver plate and you are complaining about it.
Weren't you complaining a month ago how nobody wants to roleplay with cops or FBI?That's true, exactly what I say, when you get arrested it turns into an admin situation in which - "ban me cuz i wont go anywhere fuck dis shit im gonna leave dis server now"
Here, a group of people to roleplay with but no; let's not give them a way to roleplay,Roleplay by using guns all the times? Arma IV, inspired by Argonath?
let's march in like an army every time we see them.That's what happens when you have an armed militia requesting independence like this, do you see your country letting a militia walk on your streets, put junk around to block it and aim RPGs around?
This is your time to form an actual FBI investigation to prove how FLA are terrorists or whatever, here is your chance laid out in front of you on a silver plate and you are complaining about it.We had many and many people in FLA, they just get bored themselves in there and don't feel like being int it for long since it's just what I said it is - Arma IV and warfare simulator.
What have they done to deserve their independence? As far as I am aware Flint is the only state in SA with an active EMS, FD (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=116568.0), church (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=116644.0) and army who actively participate in the server and actually roleplay.Sorry but I find those new gangs that roleplay without requesting a shootout with cops in every darn situation much more deserving of a reward than those who need weapons or RPGs in every scene.
What did you do to deserve independence? daily deathmatch and warfare simulator? continuously coming to Los Santos when cops go in ignore mode to gain their attention more? put barriers at random places in flint county and brandish RPGs and other weapons? going into "ban me" mode whenever you lose in a situation and get arrested? having members who give you information via /gm while cuffed and frisked?
I'm not saying you are wrong, I just wish to see where this goes, hell, why not, we can always fall back on admins to fix our mess at the end. :lol:
On the other hand, might proposal might have some backlash due to Law Enforcements was jurisdiction everywhere, and they might claim what will happen if a criminal goes to your independent place with different laws? Considering the laws that were broken are on the other side, you will contact the appointed embassies of Angel Pine and find a solution, they might either give you the jurisdiction for a temporary time to capture the suspect, or they send their own forces. If they fail to do so, screw it, just leave it be and call it a day. OR maybe, set up a form of an agreement with some people and set up some of your actual people who would like to RP as cops in Angel Pine as I'm sure no one from FLA would like to be a cop. In order to ensure that the criminals do not enter their boarder, defend the boarder like you were doing at Flint's Bridge, and this goes for both groups.I seriously would gladly do that only if I will have assurance that I will not be kidnapped, robbed, or end up hanged in the middle of Angel Pine by any FLA member cause I know the "grudge" they got on cops at the moment.
I seriously would gladly do that only if I will have assurance that I will not be kidnapped, robbed, or end up hanged in the middle of Angel Pine by any FLA member cause I know the "grudge" they got on cops at the moment.Bruce, I have no grievances against you however I'll point out that such assurances are out of bounds, no matter the circumstance. Its a fine line between manipulating things to your advantage and powergaming for the win (or loss, in this case).
On the other side people are taking this waaaay too personal. Guys, It's just a fucking game... we're all here to have fun and enjoy the gameplay... don't take everything personal... like JDC would have said. [RPit]. ;)
I will tell you what, no president will ever want to give up a part of their country. The final yes is on Gandalf.@Gandalf
Man don't you guys just love Matthew Carter. The best guy on the server I fucking swear. The biggest hypocrite that derails every constructive topic into provoking between criminals and cops. Gotta love that guy.Then perhaps a peek through the looking glass is warranted.
You always jump into a topic and start claiming few people derail a "constructive topic" into provoking, yet you come into the topic like a wrecking ball just throwing random hostile insults and provocations on the person itself. I don't see that as something constructive eh? if you love topics being constructive why aren't you constructive yourself? that's hypocrite I say.I'd say I'm the one that called you out, @.Matthew. , not Tevin.
Man don't you guys just love Matthew Carter. The best guy on the server I fucking swear. The biggest hypocrite that derails every constructive topic into provoking between criminals and cops. Gotta love that guy.
I just want to patrol FC in a Mesa without Air Force One chasing me.That's the RS4 non rp mentality we are striving to abandon TiMoN, didn't you get the memo?
Is that too much to ask?
Man, no offense, but YOU are the one to talk? Really?Let's not go pointing fingers for the eight god damn topic this week.
I just want to patrol FC in a Mesa without Air Force One chasing me.
Is that too much to ask?
Man, no offense, but YOU are the one to talk? Really?
What about two seperate constitutions, two boards on the forums and so on? It will be a lot of confusion, tbh.A subforum? fla.argonathrpg.com? just like arpd.argonathrpg.com?
San Andreas Court, SAPD, SA FBI, SA Mayors, SA Govt, none of them will have jurisdiction there and therefore a new police department (APPD), a new mayor, a new govt, a new city hall and court will be made. That way FLA gets a form of independence and it still says a part of USA. c):-)
Let us know where and how did you guys burn your fingers, used black magic to destroy your DNA and bought tons of glue to stick your masks.. We need to copy your methods too apparently!That's beside the point because it's roleplay.
San Andreas Court, SAPD, SA FBI, SA Mayors, SA Govt, none of them will have jurisdiction there and therefore a new police department (APPD)Either way, your requests are illogical because FBI is a FEDERAL agency and it operates in any state that is within United States of Argonath. And also ARPD exists as SAPD for SA:MP because ARPD is divided into divisions: LCPD, VCPD, SAPD and so on. What you're asking for is a federal police force, and you'll get nothing more but another copy of SAPD. Your sole issues are the existence of Law Enforcement and their job of punishing you for illegal acts, the only way to solve your issues is to remove Law Enforcing groups.
I would rather like to see the FLA leadership and SAPD "negociate". I'm not expecting a 1 on 1 meeting, that would be bad obviously.And both SAPD/FBI leadership + FLA are free to draw me into a meeting if they like.
the only way to solve your issues is to remove Law Enforcing groups.You are talking about issues and problems and how we want to eradicate law enforcments.. no dude, just continue the roleplay, nobody wants to remove anything, we just want to have fun. roleplaying. on a roleplay server. expressing our imagination.
You always jump into a topic and start claiming few people derail a "constructive topic" into provoking, yet you come into the topic like a wrecking ball just throwing random hostile insults and provocations on the person itself. I don't see that as something constructive eh? if you love topics being constructive why aren't you constructive yourself? that's hypocrite I say.
Let us know where and how did you guys burn your fingers, used black magic to destroy your DNA and bought tons of glue to stick your masks.. We need to copy your methods too apparently!
I'd much prefer we close this book and continue with anotherThat'd be beautiful.
we just want to have fun. roleplaying. on a roleplay server. expressing our imagination.I want that as well, but then there's this thing where in Argonath people are immortal, untouchable and don't roleplay fear at all.
Either way, your requests are illogical because FBI is a FEDERAL agency and it operates in any state that is within United States of Argonath. And also ARPD exists as SAPD for SA:MP because ARPD is divided into divisions: LCPD, VCPD, SAPD and so on. What you're asking for is a federal police force, and you'll get nothing more but another copy of SAPD. Your sole issues are the existence of Law Enforcement and their job of punishing you for illegal acts, the only way to solve your issues is to remove Law Enforcing groups.Oh, I have a different view all right. FLA wants to become an independent country, I think an independent state would be better.. The problem is not the existence of a law enforce agency. A state without a police force will be an absolute mess, if it happens to become a separate state, it won't be run by an army like it is now. A police force and government is definitely needed to run a state properly.
And about your point on FBI, I would first like to see ALL VC:MP and IV:MP FBI members immediately getting FBI rights on SA:MP before FBI claims jurisdiction in flint county and Whetstone.Imagine the FBI in each server as a field office of the FBI, while the SA:MP one is the HQ - Washington DC, J. Edgar Hover.
San Andreas Court, SAPD, SA FBI, SA Mayors, SA Govt, none of them will have jurisdiction there and therefore a new police department (APPD), a new mayor, a new govt, a new city hall and court will be made. That way FLA gets a form of independence and it still says a part of USA. c):-)Why not a news RP server as well? FLA RPG? Yes?
Why not a news RP server as well? FLA RPG? Yes?Fucking hell that's a great idea actually, make it based only on Flint Country and let them run it however they want, we'll have fun in main one with gangs and good ol' mafias.
This whole situation just reminded me of a similar scenario in RS4..Yes, I was the one banned, but that's all in the past.
Remember when we did some jail RP when a whole bunch of people went to Mordor and NBA took it over and for the next week they basically had control of Mordor?
Did that happen or was it a fever nightmare?
I forget how that ended but I'm pretty sure someone got banned, I swear this happened. It was like a Public Mission.
Please don't make me open an Aryan brotherhood because I'll make your life a living hell.:lol:
Anyway, about the trial time. I guess it's doable but yet there's up to HQ to decide. About the voting, oh please... everyone in this community how voting goes around... specially on this kind of situation. You get all your friends to go and vote yes and tada ... you won the voting stage. I seriously would gladly do that only if I will have assurance that I will not be kidnapped, robbed, or end up hanged in the middle of Angel Pine by any FLA member cause I know the "grudge" they got on cops at the moment.These votes aren't an actual voting, its just to see where we stand. Its to see how the server views it. The actual decision is always from above, from HQ. And regarding you as being a cop in Angel Pine, I assume once they succeed in getting their independence and if they go along and open up APPD, I'm sure you can. If they'll call you corrupt, just let them be as long as you aren't.
p.s. Expect people saying that I am a corrupted cop again.
I would rather like to see the FLA leadership and SAPD "negociate". I'm not expecting a 1 on 1 meeting, that would be bad obviously.I can try and make the meeting happen, hopefully. Something has to be done imo, and a conclusion has to be made eventually by HQ.
Current law enforcement staff is either too in-active or incapable to bring this to an end. This could have been solved three weeks ago.Please tell us how can we solve this. Since it could be solved three weeks ago.
Why not a new RP server as well? FLA RPG? Yes?If you want to reduce SA:MP Argonath's player count that much then sure! :)
Fucking hell that's a great idea actually, make it based only on Flint Country and let them run it however they want, we'll have fun in main one with gangs and good ol' mafias.Oh right, you want to get back to the same ol' mafias which you always beat and win every time.
And FLA want to claim independence over Flint County and divide the server more? This is the perfect example of what Argonath doesn't need.Since your police player base is so small now perhaps independence would do you guys a favour, you'd have less area to police, good yes?
Please don't make me open an Aryan brotherhood because I'll make your life a living hell.Pls, no more unique groups, you've seen the shit storm 1 has caused... They want the same ol' mafias.
Please tell us how can we solve this. Since it could be solved three weeks ago.Independence?
I guess some people just don't like that FLA is so strong, most of the time it's bigger than law enforcement, most of the time it can't be challenged, I love that. :lol:*gets arrested*
*gets arrested*
"Ban me."
"I'm not going anywhere."
"I'm not even gonna come back after this."
:hah:
Can you just stop with your nonsense please? The only thing you do here and ingame are to start shitstorms and provoking. Got nothing of value to say? Shut the fuck up.What I stated was a fact that happened multiple times and witnessed by few admins as well, one being Marcel.
I will tell you what, no president will ever want to give up a part of their country. The final yes is on Gandalf.
So I propose that instead of making it an independent country, make it another state of United States of Argonath. New Government, new city hall and court, new police department, and operate the same way IV:MP, VC:MP and SA:MP does. Nothing is connected (except that the lands are connected and people can easily go through and of course, money too).
San Andreas Court, SAPD, SA FBI, SA Mayors, SA Govt, none of them will have jurisdiction there and therefore a new police department (APPD), a new mayor, a new govt, a new city hall and court will be made. That way FLA gets a form of independence and it still says a part of USA. c):-)
What I stated was a fact that happened multiple times and witnessed by few admins as well, one being Marcel.
The only thing you do here with this post is misrepresent the admin team by showing hostile attitude and aggressive behavior which should not be acceptable.
Such short temper gets no good in the job of an admin who needs patience and mature approach to resolve various situations and guide players the correct way.
*gets arrested*I'd love to see the chat logs of whoever said this... :lol:
"Ban me."
"I'm not going anywhere."
"I'm not even gonna come back after this."
:hah:
Well, the thing I am afraid, if we give FLA independenceIndependence is not for you to give, it is for us to take, unless HQ want to make things move quicker and smoother with less blood being spilled. :rolleyes:
What I stated was a fact that happened multiple times and witnessed by few admins as well, one being Marcel.
The only thing you do here with this post is misrepresent the admin team by showing hostile attitude and aggressive behavior which should not be acceptable.
Such short temper gets no good in the job of an admin who needs patience and mature approach to resolve various situations and guide players the correct way.
Why do I have the feeling you are trying to ruin everyones career / position in SA:MP? Just because you are a 'high' person in FBI doesn't mean you have the right to offend like almost everyone with your 'facts' and pretending as a 'leader'. I constantly see you provoking people with your swear words like its nothing, near the edge of insulting anyone that comes in your path. Sorry but I just had to state this out.Just because I denied you from FBI because you were behaving like a troll on streets doesn't mean I ruin everyone's career. You can quote wherever I used a swear word and insulted somebody. Those who are ruined by FBI are those who don't abide by the law, and it's the job.
Just because I denied you from FBI because you were behaving like a troll on streets doesn't mean I ruin everyone's career. You can quote wherever I used a swear word and insulted somebody. Those who are ruined by FBI are those who don't abide by the law, and it's the job.
Why not a news RP server as well? FLA RPG? Yes?You should get your head out of your ass since that 40 playerbase will shrink to less than half of it if the members of FLA stop playing on the main server.
You can't take the independence from us Mikal, learn that, law enforcement is persistent and loyalWhat are you on about? You aren't Gandalf's mafia, your job is to serve and protect the people, do what is best to keep people alive. Law enforcers are supposed to be open minded and enter every situation with the civilians in mind.
Just because I denied you from FBI because you were behaving like a troll on streets doesn't mean I ruin everyone's career. You can quote wherever I used a swear word and insulted somebody. Those who are ruined by FBI are those who don't abide by the law, and it's the job.
Argonath does pretty well at running people's nerves to state of rot quickly.
You know shit is fucked when you have less worries in real life than in here XD
(http://i.giphy.com/3o7abu6MhmCNxqUT4I.gif)I'd be careful posting popcorn 'cause they are off-topic, and some people get butthurt when you post popcorns.
I'd be careful posting popcorn 'cause they are off-topic, and some people get butthurt when you post popcorns.
and some people don't care when people get butthurt because they're always butthurt and nothing will change it. Argonath needs a tampon at this point.I don't care either but some ugly moderator and butthurt people don't like it. Might get your post removed.
I don't care either but some ugly moderator and butthurt people don't like it. Might get your post removed.a moderator might get removed then :lol:
a moderator might get removed then :lol:hello my name stivi, i'll be your helper today - first give me webmaster rights.
Lol Stivi, you are going against Teddy? Wow, I can't believe that you are so brave to come up to big authority.I'm sorry, but... What the fuck.
And I can't believe how brave you are with the threats of yours towards someone who works very hard for us.
I'm sorry, but... What the fuck.
Guess we're returning to point of TDM shootouts then, 3rd time you send that lapdog of yours to tresspass with zero roleplay on purpose, we ignored him two times in the past, tried roleplaying and he ends up pressing an invisible waterproof button in his ass, turning a scenario into mass shootout. I think the term 'criminal baiting' fits right in here. Also funny how when you're outnumbered you leave us alone, pretending 'we're leaving you alone cause we don't want a shootout' while once you get numbers up it's the first thing you're trying to achieve. Good going.
I hope you're joking by the way.
FLA deserves independence. They are caring about their country and citizens. They are successfully controlling the borders and are successfully doing their patrols and other things.
That moment when somebody tries to be a smartass but embarasses himself and makes a complete clown out of himself. Good job Ivan :hah:I still am no where close to understading the fuck are you both saying. Help me out here.
That moment when somebody tries to be a smartass but embarasses himself and makes a complete clown out of himself. Good job Ivan :hah:
Familiar territory for you.
I still am no where close to understading the fuck are you both saying. Help me out here.
I have had ENOUGH of this.
FLA deserves independence. They are caring about their country and citizens. They are successfully controlling the borders and are successfully doing their patrols and other things.
Can people stop the constant bullshit and actually try to discuss?
>Puts on a provocative signature.
>"Can we pls stop the constant bullshit arguing pls pls pls"
I am a little taken aback it even needs explaining. I'm making fun of Ivan flipping on you for no reason :rofl:Yeah well it sounded like you were making fun of me for no actual reason and made a moron out of yourself. Glad that wasn't the case.
Are you even contributing to this community? No. :)
>Is a leader of an active police group.
Well excuse me for having finished school, having a steady job and a fiancé, but hey, I'm just a nolifer. :)
I guess you are if the concept of taking a break because of RL responsibilities is so foreign to you.Do you take a break or do you just sit on the forums all day posting crap? :uhm:
posting crap? :uhm:Rich coming from you mate.
I would prefer such a vote be done in a roleplay manner in game as a referendum. If enough votes pass, I think the court should allow them to secede from the United States of Argonath and form their own government. If not enough votes pass, the only way to solve this in my opinion from then on is to make a armistice or cease fire agreement as I said previously.Read this after seeing Rusty's post as I didn't see it before, lets organise an official vote then...
Argonath needs a tampon at this point.
1.) What if a criminal from one territory (read: Flint or the rest of SA) escaped into the other? (Very easy due to the small landmass) Would this require diplomacy / international law, such as extradition and treaties?
2.) What if someone in one territory is in dire need of non-law enforcement emergency services (i.e. medic, fireman) but the only available service personnel are from the other?
3.) What happens when a citizen of one territory becomes a victim of a crime while inside the other territory?
4.) How is border control going to work?
5.) An independent state will require a different economy (i.e. currency, state funds, real estate, etc), or else it is not an independent state. How will a separate economy be implemented for Flint? (I presume both states will use a common currency due to their "shared origins" and for gameplay reasons, however.)
And when we did this army like task force people started moaning about it :balance: and now the suggestion is to do basically the same thing... god.
Please tell us how can we solve this. Since it could be solved three weeks ago.
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7 pages later and we've made as much progress as a group of 4 year olds making a castle out of Lego. #BecauseArgonathThe seven pages in a nutshell :rolleyes:
The seven pages in a nutshell :rolleyes:So you're saying this topic was not derailed?
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