To start with, the debt you talk of between yourself and Cofiliano of 200k was settled in December
+ $200,000 Received change from Cofiliano_Gvardia December 31st 2015
I am aware Edmund and Leonardo being related and playing from the same IP address.
I am also aware of the fact that Edmund logged in on Leonardos account, checked his inventory then PMed you to come to the property, the drug lab in SF. You arrive there and he asks you what is half of the property value and you tell him 245k, he then sends you the money.
[13:09:02] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l 593 / 2
[13:09:18] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l 245k
[13:09:26] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /sell
[13:11:28] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
- $245,000 Sent change to FredericK_Collin May 29th 2016
And shortly after that he logs off and Edmund comes on the server. Not exactly a year ago.
I am aware Edmund and Leonardo being related and playing from the same IP address.That is normal since they are brothers and playing in this community for ages since 2009.
Basicly I don't get the why Edmund is called here.
After that Edmund came into the game so I would show himself some cop things and provide him some help to be reinstated as SAPD. Showing them for example /giveticket and he would inform the brother of those changes. Since the statement "dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas" mean "I am going to Edmund account and show me the new things".
So as I stated before why is this considered as moneycheating?
It was offer from my cousin and I didn't remembered that transference from Cofiliano in 31st December, but apparently my cousin was on it and was about to give him the money. I have an explanation for this since Leonardo is inactive and I am active so I am on need of money and he gave it to me without my previous knowledge (before he calls me to the property).
So you just stated that Edmund was on Leonardos account and said he was going to the edmund account. Yet initially you said Edmund had nothing to do with it.Apparently he was but I didn't knew I just got that message from him and I told okay. We were not talking in real life so I can't confirm it. If that was the case and I could not confirm it why am I banned? If you assume that is true both should be banned and they should explain their side of the story. For money cheating, for multiaccounting or anything like that. I just accepted an offer from my cousin. How am i involved in this?
In terms of moneycheating, accessing another persons account which Edmund did, taking the money out of Leonardos account and then sending it to you.
Also you wouldn't need money if you hadn't gambled it all away as you did with this 245k you received from the Leonardo account.Sorry but is that illegal to play in the casino? I am here explaining the situation as I stated before but there is ways to play this game and if I go to play into casino I think it's a perfect and normal way to play.
Apparently he was but I didn't knew I just got that message from him and I told okay. We were not talking in real life so I can't confirm it. If that was the case and I could not confirm it why am I banned? If you assume that is true both should be banned and they should explain their side of the story. For money cheating, for multiaccounting or anything like that. I just accepted an offer from my cousin.
The fact is you received money from the account which was accessed by another player, no one is permitted to access another players account.I didn't know that for sure, anyway I am getting now the user online on that time could be Edmund due that statement and not Leonardo. At that time I didn't think on it to be honest. I didn't even know if I have my brother for example and need to do a sale I can't give him my account to accomplish that sale ordered by me. If that was the case, I don't know but I can call my cousin again, if it was an authorized sale I don't see any point on that, but if the rule is there I have to agree with that for sure.
You also knew Leonardos account was accessed by Edmund when he said he was going to the Edmund account and said nothing nor did anything about someone accessing another persons account while you merrily went on spending the cash that didn't belong to you in the first place.After receiving the money from Leonardo and didn't remember of that money from Cofiliano, as stated before my cousin was aware of it and were about to give him the money the 200k. Those words were said by him over a call with me, that the subject (Cofiliano) was not online and once both were online he would give that to him.
I didn't know that for sure, anyway I am getting now the user online on that time could be Edmund due that statement and not Leonardo. At that time I didn't think on it to be honest. I didn't even know if I have my brother for example and need to do a sale I can't give him my account to accomplish that sale ordered by me. If that was the case, I don't know but I can call my cousin again, if it was an authorized sale I don't see any point on that, but if the rule is there I have to agree with that for sure.
I can assure you that Leonardo are different persons since they are both brothers and my cousins in real life. I can't assure who was using the account, and if the transaction was authorized by the account owner or not. Those should be discussed with them I guess.
13. Multiple Accounts and Sharing Accounts
Each player may create and use one account only; creating or using a second or subsequent accounts for any reason is prohibited. This includes logging into the account of another player with or without their permission.
After receiving the money from Leonardo and didn't remember of that money from Cofiliano, as stated before my cousin was aware of it and were about to give him the money the 200k. Those words were said by him over a call with me, that the subject (Cofiliano) was not online and once both were online he would give that to him.
I assumed the money was mine since it was a offer from Leonardo as I said before, so I could spend it where I want because that money belongs to me. I can't assure and give the correct date and time of my transactions in casino but I think it was the day after the transaction be executed. As said before it's a way to play so if I have money why I can't spend it on the casino?
I missed that 200k from Cofiliano it's true, but a small conversation would solve this in a good way in my point of view. It was 6 months ago, many things happened in 6 months and that was a missed thing. After talking via cellphone as stated before with my cousin (Leonard), I am more calm since he was aware of it and were about to give it to him solving the entire situation related to that 200k.
I still don't see why Leonardo would sell a property he is holding for Gvardia and also has a contract signing ownership to the group. When you say "my cousin was aware of it and were about to give him the money the 200k" which one are you talking about? Edmund or Leonardo. If you're talking about Edmund, why would he be involved in a deal between you, Leonardo and Cofiliano/Gvardia.I am talking about Leonardo. As I said before I was not aware it could be Edmund there before translate that phrase to you here and think about it.That is a question as you may understand I am not aware of it. I can assume it's due his inactivity and my low amount of cash previous to the transaction (had around 40k if I am right). He barely come into the server due his school and some extra activities he have (Karaté) so I assume that is the reason but I can't assure you on that as you may understand.
I never said you can't spend time in a casino gambling, I just find it ironic that you stated you were broke and needed money whilst you took that money and gambled it away.Fully agree in both statements.
Sure most people probably would have forgotten about the money transfer made in December by now as well.
I didn't realize it could be other person (Edmund) in the Leonardos account so in my point of view you shouldn't blame me for don't understand it could be other person (Edmund) and not Leonardo os his account.
[13:05:32] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tou na property
[13:05:50] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 onde era mesmo? ahah
[13:06:06] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 doherty sf
[13:06:17] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 coming with my premier
[13:06:09] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 diablos drug lab
[13:06:23] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tao bue admins on
[13:06:55] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 yh ahah
[13:08:47] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /withdrawpropertyprofit
[13:09:02] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l 593 / 2
[13:09:18] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l 245k
[13:09:26] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /sell
[13:09:53] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Anda
[13:09:54] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /giveweapon 31
[13:10:32] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Nao vcas aqui senao pagas tacs
[13:11:28] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
[13:11:41] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 cenas novas do que?
[13:11:52] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 do rs5.2
[13:12:23] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 ehhh nao ha muito, porque metade delas nao sei tipo growweed, fazer meth e isso nao sei
[13:12:34] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 e cop?
[13:12:41] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 cm eq levanto guito?
[13:12:53] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 e depois withdraw
[13:13:08] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 a cop nao mudaram nada ahah so mudaram uma cena
[13:13:17] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /cash
[13:13:50] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Vai la para a outraTo me it seems like you're still failing to see why you were banned.
An account was accessed by another player, they even told you that they are not the rightful account owner. You still received money from them.
[13:11:28] Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
After that Edmund came into the game so I would show himself some cop things and provide him some help to be reinstated as SAPD. Showing them for example /giveticket and he would inform the brother of those changes. Since the statement "dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas" mean "I am going to Edmund account and show me the new things".
It also seems you were doing more than just getting your 200k back seeing as he sent you half of the property value as well as the weapons that were on that account. Or at least tried to at 13:09:54.
And whilst you're blaming them for this, Edmund was also banned when you were banned.
[13:06:23] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tao bue admins on
There are too many admins online.
[13:06:55] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 yh ahah
So, if you were doing nothing wrong, how are there "too many admins online" when you and him are talking about the property? Clearly there's something suspicious here.Normally in argonath we have around 2-3 administrators online, at that time we have around 7 online at the same time from moderators to managers. Since he is kinda inactive he just notice that and told that to me. It could be suspicious due this case but many people would comment it once they saw that number of admins. I would also like to say that if we were aiding something why do it when we have 7 admins or around that number online when many times there is no admins? If we were about to cover it from someone then it would be better in my opinion if there is no admins. It was a simple comment but I agree it looks suspicious but the comment was only related to the number of admins online at that time without any vision to his offer.
You say you didn't notice it was Edmund on Leonardos account, so why are you saying to him "what new things?"
[13:11:28] CMD -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
After this I am coming to Edmund account and show me the new things.
[13:11:41] CMD -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 cenas novas do que?
What new things?
Seeing as it seems you still can't see the problem with this entire situation and you want to start complaining about how this is not getting anywhere. Feel free to contact the owner about your issue.
Oh and I am so sorry I have a life to deal with so I can't sit here replying to your unban request every day with the same paragraph that you can't seem to understand.
You incriminated yourself with those logs and the translations, there's no love lost here nor logic found.
I saw the point you are acusing me. Basicly you are saying that I knew the owner of the account was not the guy that was there when the property have been sold and the money sent. As I said before there is nothing that could indicate to me that wasn't Leonardo on his account. The phrase saying "I am going to Edmund account" would indicate to me if I would realize at that time it was Leonardo on his account probably going to his brother Account not Edmund on the Leonardos account going into his self account. I couldn't realize that it wasn't him.
The usage of words in that sentence and using Leonardos account, everyone would believe that it was Leonardo, the account owner, going to other account ("I am going to Edmund account").
As said before if it was Leonardos account and the people behind it tell "I am going to my account" there I could assume it was not the property Owner, heading to other account and in this case all your sentences and acusations would make sense against me and would make this ban valid.
Every translation was done without any way to incriminate no one since there is no relevant content on those translations and the suspicious talk there was already clarified by me.
EXAMPLE: You and I are friend and I have a brother called Toto. I own 1 property and wanna make an offer and give you half of that property value. In the middle of the deal I tell you "I am going to Toto account so you could explain to me the cop things."
QUESTION: Would you assume it wasn't the account owner or would you assume it was the account owner from that example?
He asked you to come to the property > red flag yet you didn't ask why but only where it wasAs said before he wanna make me an offer. He told me that in real life without any in game talk so there is the reason why I asked him where is the property.
He asked you half of the value > red flag yet you are saying you were getting your money owed back whilst you hadn't even spoken about getting the money before that.As said from the beginning he told me that he wanna offer me half money of the property. Maybe he asked me that cause he wanna give me half of it? :s
He told you he was going to the edmund account > red flag as he literally told you he is going to ANOTHER account which is MULTIACCOUNTINGAs said before he told me that and it's true and I didn't pay attention on it. Anyway that is not an excuse and I didn't knew it was illegal. I was thinking some person could just log in others players account. Here you are right.
He asked you to show him new things > red flag and after he logs in as Edmund and tells you about getting denied from FBI etcSorry but here there is no point since they are brothers and many times they play together both of them should know the same things. Specially them since they are too close and after talking with Leonardo he knew everything about FBI, SAPD reinstantement and everything, so you are wrong here.
He asked you about police stuff > red flag here Leonardo is Gvardia, why would he care about cop things? Edmund is the one that always plays as a cop.As said before I assume that was Leonardo and he gonna tell the new things to his brother.
If people would translate "I am going to edmund account" as Leonardo saying he is going to another account then they are foolish.So you are not just going simply for the english but going for you point of view? Then I am foolish or maybe you don't wanna see the other side of the story.
Why would he change accounts after just giving you money? And why would he come on to sell a property on one and then go to the other. Even if it was Leonardo using both accounts then it's still multiaccounting.As said before multiaccount is a rule break and bannable so aparently you got the wrong guy?
If someone tells you "I am going to edmund account" and then "show me new things" obviously they are not on their own profile, what is so hard to comprehend?Why do you say they are not on his profile? Basicly from that I could say it was LEONARDO going to EDMUND account and asking me to show him the new things.
Are you telling me that the ban is invalid because he said "going to edmund account" and not "going to my account" which is the same thing.You from the beginning said I knew it was Edmund on Leonardos account. I just said there is no proofs of that because YOU can't confirm from that sentence who was online if it was Leonardo or Edmund. In my point of view it was Leonardo, in yours it's different. The truth is that it was Edmund you are right, but from that SENTENSE I couldn't get that.
And then he logs in on Edmund account, talks about your police ranks and how he was denied from FBI or whatever he applied to law enforcement related. Right there is clear proof of who he is.As said before Leonardo know Edmund history in SAPD/FBI.
Obviously it is not the owner if they say "going to .... account" is pretty damn obvious that it's either a person multiaccounting or someone that is not the actual account owner on the current account.So there you give me reason it could be multiaccouting and like that WHY am I banned?
There is no relevante information that could lead you to know I knew it wasn't the account owner but other person. So I am on FredericK account and tell "I am going to Devin account" for you is the same as saying "I am going to my account." In the first case to be it show multiaccounting, in the second it show the person online wasn't the owner.
About multiaccounting I would consider it but I know both of them since they are my cousins and there is no multiaccount they are separated persons. So I assumed it was LEONARDO using his account, going to his brother account (EDMUND). I didn't knew it was illegal other people access others accounts even IF AUTHORIZED.