Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Kaze on June 18, 2016, 05:03:55 pm
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So it's been a week since I got myself a PC capable of gaming at a minimum of 60 FPS. What I'm trying to understand is why do all PC gamers think they need to have the latest tech?
I'm personally more than satisfied to play in 720p but a lot of PC gamers always want that upgrade i.e. The 970 4GB/4K monitor/4K resolution, top of the range CPU, 16gb ram and all that unnecessary bullshit.
I've said this as a console gamer and I'm saying it as a PC gamer.. it's all marketing nonsense to get you to buy. You're being robbed in broad daylight.
Even a PC case.. the case is designed to keep components together. why do you feel the need to buy UFO styled cases with 32321213 windows and various other technology.
I've compared both my 'powerful' PC and my 'mid' laptop and they both perform the same. Does the same things.
As long as I don't game at 800x640 with everything on ultra low settings, it does the job for me.
What drives you to get everything top of the range?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Rmf3EKcXjs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Looks exactly the same for me.
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Higher resolution:
Better detail (Meant) more information and FOV
Higher hardware=better FPS=smoother gameplay. Anything below 60 FPS is honestly sadness.
Nobody has been robbed, you get what you pay for. People want to play at the highest possible detail and at a constant 60 FPS at 4K. They are not going to get it using a GTX 960 or even a GTX 980. You will need to SLI/Crossfire your GPUs. I have very little idea about computer programming or data but I can say that there's a lot of processing that needs to be done to even improve the visuals marginally. And the lower end GPUs don't have the resources to do that.
As for cases, a good airflow is definitely necessary for good hardware, and as it goes with windows and RGB lights, it's just to look good and show off.
As for your pic, don't take a pic inside an interior and from a cutscene and see the difference.
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That game itself just looks awful and to use that to make any sort of comparison is rather pointless when the graphics are similar to those of GTA 3.
Depth of field is about the only real difference in those two pictures.
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That scene isn't a good example, outdoors especially by buildings and complex textures you'll see a big difference!
A 960 is the most even most serious gamers need though, if someone is happy to blow 500quid plus on a card though then I won't judge!
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Why do people buy nice cars instead of something cheap? Isn't the purpose same, getting from point A to point B? Why do would you need a super car when you can have a 50cc moped?
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If you think gaming is comparable to driving a supercar then yes, I guess you'd appreciate better hardware.
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I see the points your making guys and just note I'm not slating you at all I'm just very curious.
I heard somewhere (I may not be correct) but human eye cant see 60FPS or whatever ultra high graphics we think we see so what's the point in that?
The reason why I'm curious is because a console does all that for you and is future proof. You spend £350 and you're sorted for the next 5 years minimum as all the games in the future will be compatible with the console. I had the PS4 since day one and later on GTA 5 came out and boom I can already play it no problem.
Another reason why I'm curious is because (yet again not really my business but hey) people can actually put their money to good use instead of purcashing high end equipment that has little effect on you. Would you rather buy a GPU for $100 and have an additional $100 to spend on yourself on clothes or something or $300 on a GPU?
On a pro side of gaming, I like the fact that I can modify the game to my needs i.e. change a car mod or whatever.
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sqNZ7gFKQFs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Looks exactly the same to me..
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Play at 30 FPS and then 60 FPS and you will feel the difference.
Play at 60 FPS and play at 120 FPS and you will feel the difference. (Although you would need a monitor that can do more than 60 FPS to actually feel the difference)
Humans (contrary to the bullshit) don't see in FPS, we don't see in resolution. So as long as there's a difference, you will feel it.
Get a good PC now and you sure will be able to run any game for 5 years at least (while lowering the resolution and details over the years). I mean, that's what consoles do too, you know? =)
Consoles are basically future proof because they are purpose made hardware. A gaming OS that has nothing else to take care of in the background (unlike a PC OS). Developers have to only care about only one specific hardware and one specific display settings for the game. Game developers too, over the years, will have to lower the resolution and detail of their games to run on an aging console. That's what you can do on your PC to run it for a few more years.
The current gen consoles have barely completed 3 years and you can already see that their upgrades are due. They already run PC hardware and probably in a few years they will just be living room PCs with gaming OS (which are already present).
Also, if you are buying a $300 GPU
1) You probably have more money to buy clothes or shit
2) You don't care about your clothes or shit.
As for the pic. They are cropped frames with the same detail, there won't be a difference.
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I heard somewhere (I may not be correct) but human eye cant see 60FPS or whatever ultra high graphics we think we see so what's the point in that?
I fail to see how you try to compare 60 FPS to high graphics settings which result in higher detailed images.
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This has to be the most autistic thing I have ever seen and read on this forum... which is saying a lot.
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Look, I may be talking nonsense since I'm too technical in terms of PC hardware but I can play GTA 5 on normal developer settings so whats the need for me to buy a Nvidia 970 if my current GPU can play it fun
That's what I'm tryna get at.. what's the point in the unnecessary purchase of a computer part when your current one works fine
''If it aint broke, don't fix it'' right?
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Look, I may be talking nonsense since I'm too technical in terms of PC hardware but I can play GTA 5 on normal developer settings so whats the need for me to buy a Nvidia 970 if my current GPU can play it fun
That's what I'm tryna get at.. what's the point in the unnecessary purchase of a computer part when your current one works fine
''If it aint broke, don't fix it'' right?
It will die sooner than later unlike Nvidia 970, GTA won't even be a threat to its life. And you don't really want to experience a fried GPU inside a PC..
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It will die sooner than later unlike Nvidia 970, GTA won't even be a threat to its life. And you don't really want to experience a fried GPU inside a PC..
If it comes to that, I'd buy the same GT450 I have because it's cheaper.. with the money I could of used to buy myself the 970 I would spend it on things I actually need. I hope you get where I'm coming from
Just a reminder
I'm not slating you at all I'm just very curious.
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Every electronic component has a llife expectancy calculated after its manufacture on an average usage scale. So if you for example use GTA V's ultra settings on a GT450 (which is much weaker than GTX 970 in terms of everything and it might even not be able to run it at all), it will reduce its life expectancy if not completely murder it on the first try. Everything has a life expectancy, if you use that thing like an idiot you will end up regretting doing so.
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You do know that graphics has a lot more to do than just visual quality but also has to do with other things like reflections, particles, rendering of the particle effects, the number of particles that can be rendered, shadows (including detail, resolution, quality, and count of specific shadows), ATOC, the detail of textures, the depth of textures, anti-aliasing, depth of field, streaming distance, scattering, fog (which is not really a particle), occlusion, and so many other aspects that have nothing do with just resolution and frames.
You are also entirely wrong about pretty much everything you have said. I think you are going to have trouble learning computer science if you think of graphics as only resolution and frames. I know 10 year old's who understand graphics are more comprehensive than that. Low end GPUs cannot handle all of that processing so higher end GPUs do have a benefit.
Can we close this autistic thread now? My autism meter won't stop going off.
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I know what Kaze is saying.
Most monitors are 60 hertz. Hence it displays 60fps maximum. If a GTX960 can run a game at its maximum possible settings at 60FPS, why bother with a 980?
Future proofing is bullshit. You're better off buying something which has a better price/performance ratio like a 960 than paying an outrageous sum for a 980 for what is proportionately a much smaller difference.
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It's hardly "bullshit" to buy fancier hardware for future proofing, as games progress the processing requirements of the GPU alone increase too. Particles, textures and everything related all get more processor intensive as graphics get more detailed.
FPS isn't the only purpose of buying bigger and better hardware.
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If you have a 980 now as apposed to a 960 then obviously in a year or so you're going to be better off and won't need to upgrade to a more powerful GPU...
I have a 960 however and everything runs at 60+ FPS, I don't see why you need more than 60FPS though, that's smooth enough.
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The only thing I cannot justify is buying a 1080 versus a 1070, the price difference doesn't add much of a benefit or at least enough of a benefit to justify the price point. However as I've already mentioned due to the many aspects and rendering, a higher end graphics card IS actually worth it.
This of course depends if you are simple enough to play a game that looks like it was made in 1990 using MS Paint. What exactly is the point of this topic?
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I have a 960 however and everything runs at 60+ FPS, I don't see why you need more than 60FPS though, that's smooth enough.
Exactly my point, people like Mikal would legit keep the 960 until it no longer reaches its potential. A lot people replace GPU's every 6 months (exaggerating the time frame) just because 'Oh I have 960 but I want 970 because it's newer and better and everyone in the PC world has it/talks about it'.
You're better off buying something which has a better price/performance ratio like a 960 than paying an outrageous sum for a 980 for what is proportionately a much smaller difference.
Exactly
It's hardly "bullshit" to buy fancier hardware for future proofing, as games progress the processing requirements of the GPU alone increase too. Particles, textures and everything related all get more processor intensive as graphics get more detailed.
FPS isn't the only purpose of buying bigger and better hardware.
Honestly, I see no huge improvement between my Xbox 360 and the PS4. The game still displays in HD and it does the job (smooth gameplay, no bugs/glitches/lag). That's what my point is.. why upgrade when the outcome is somewhat the same?
I only have a PS4 purely because the console player base will move to next gen.. I guarantee you it will take twice as long to find a game lobby on prev gen (X360/PS3)
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I guarantee you it will take twice as long to find a game lobby on prev gen (X360/PS3)
Wrong.
The game still displays in HD and it does the job (smooth gameplay, no bugs/glitches/lag). That's what my point is.. why upgrade when the outcome is somewhat the same?
Why have sex with one chick when you can have a threesome? Having more is better. If you can have effects and such? More than "just HD" then why not? I'm not saying buy a newer better card every few months... but nothing wrong with getting a device with an optimal performance and price point.
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Why have sex with one chick when you can have a threesome? Having more is better. If you can have effects and such? More than "just HD" then why not?
Well if you put it that way.. in order to have a threesome you would have to wine and dine all 3 ladies thus emptying your wallet but you have the same outcome.. inserting a penis into a pum. You're still getting that pleasure whether its 1 girl or 15 girls.
Would you buy a new car every year because it's a newer model? A 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 would probably rip apart these Nissan Skylines (if you know you know :)
I'm hitting triple digits in terms of FPS in many games so why am I suggested to upgrade my GPU? That bugs me.
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I'm hitting triple digits in terms of FPS in many games so why am I suggested to upgrade my GPU? That bugs me.
I get it. I don't see the point in upgrading until you are starting to fall behind but then I would always go with a future proof'ed gpu so I don't need to upgrade every few months or even every few years.
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I get it. I don't see the point in upgrading until you are starting to fall behind but then I would always go with a future proof'ed gpu so I don't need to upgrade every few months or even every few years.
Wouldn't you agree marketing plays a big part in this? For example lets say Nvidia 1 has 3.1 pixel shader and 6 months later Nvidia 2 has 3.2 pixel shader yet everyone falls for that 'Damn I gotta have this' and spend crazy money on it.
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I feel like all these big companies could just release some ultra advanced GPU that's also very affordable and could run all of today's games on max settings but don't because they can make much more money releasing for example GPU 1.0 and then GPU 1.1 and then GPU 1.2, etc instead of straight up cutting to GPU 5.0.
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Wouldn't you agree marketing plays a big part in this? For example lets say Nvidia 1 has 3.1 pixel shader and 6 months later Nvidia 2 has 3.2 pixel shader yet everyone falls for that 'Damn I gotta have this' and spend crazy money on it.
Of course marketing is a huge factor. Most of us live in the same media and commercialized society that is plagued with this same shit.
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I heard somewhere (I may not be correct) but human eye cant see 60FPS or whatever ultra high graphics we think we see so what's the point in that?
Biggest bullshit I've read this month alone. Ofcourse people like you who are stuck on a 60hz monitor won't be able to see a damn difference.
If your PC would be capable of running games properly at 120+ fps and have a 120+hz capable monitor you would definitely see the difference.
The reason why I'm curious is because a console does all that for you and is future proof.
Exactly why both Sony and Microsoft came with "updated" consoles because of the fact that they are already lacking in power for the latest/upcoming games.
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Kaze; please look at this: FPS (http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1M270R_460sv.mp4) and then re-think of your comment on that NFS Game.
Visually it's no difference, it renders the same, however the speed it renders is the point.
Human eye can only see 60 fps that's true, but there's a slight noticeable difference if you ever see a 144hz Monitor.. Every 'correct' tv make, has different view modes (Example: Cinematic-Movie, News, Game-Gaming etc), they all exist for a reason and not just contrast. A real Blu-Ray movie runs at 24FPS (which is correct to view with Cinematic mode, and unlike colors you can modify them) whilst if you are using a TV as monitor and you use Gaming-Game view mode, it will run at highest FPS (of the TV, not the pc, we are talking for an output device here)
After all it is what the user seeks. There are people who still play Playstation 1 & 2 even their pixelated graphics because that's when the era that serious games were made with ACTUAL fun or even worth story. PC Gaming on the other hand, is indeed sometimes marketing target but satisfies the users varying their computers specifications. Since you are a console gamer, you can bear playing GTA V even on a windowed mode at 300x400 (example) at lowest graphics.. On my side, I like running everything on MAX, and having my PC capable of running literally everything over 60fps maxed out for me to be satisfied.
A very good example:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3VAOx7LxzB0/maxresdefault.jpg)
You can see how the scenery and image fills by adjusting the graphics.
GPU's have plenty of use further than gaming though, You can actually switch between a CPU or a GPU when it comes to rendering.. (For example, if you SLI a GTX 960 with an very older card, you can choose between 2nd old card or CPU for the PC to use and render PhysX effects) From Photoshop to Movie Exporting programs.. even calculations, Bitcoin mining via GPU, even hackers do use GPU based cracking password programs because GPUs get shit done faster.
As for PC case, this is covered in may parts; It is aesthetic, it is cooling solutions, it is cable management.. Example:
Let's say that both of the following PCs are equally fast:
(http://rpawlitzek.users.sourceforge.net/tower.jpg)(http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/iBuyPower-Erebus-Liquid-cooling-Gaming-PC-1.jpg)
Which one would you choose?
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Biggest bullshit I've read this month alone. Ofcourse people like you who are stuck on a 60hz monitor won't be able to see a damn difference.
If your PC would be capable of running games properly at 120+ fps and have a 120+hz capable monitor you would definitely see the difference.
But then again, is it a difference that significant that it can improve your gameplay aswell?
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Hey Rock long time.
I see 30 and 60 normal with 15 being slightly behind.
I don't have a monitor so I use my 32'' TV. I saw no difference between normal and gaming mod though.
The Low pic seems a bit too outdated personally for me but I'm more than satisfied to play games on the medium pic.
I would choose the first one because it's simple and does the job.
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But then again, is it a difference that significant that it can improve your gameplay aswell?
Faster response times is obviously a improvement in gameplay.
Not only is the game much smoother, but the fact that you can react faster to a faster update ratio of your monitor becomes essential in games. Especially in games where you must have a quick reaction time like for example Counter Strike.
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But then again, is it a difference that significant that it can improve your gameplay aswell?
https://youtu.be/xgr9GW3jUuQ?t=5m7s
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Hey Rock long time.
I see 30 and 60 normal with 15 being slightly behind.
I don't have a monitor so I use my 32'' TV. I saw no difference between normal and gaming mod though.
The Low pic seems a bit too outdated personally for me but I'm more than satisfied to play games on the medium pic.
I would choose the first one because it's simple and does the job.
Yes, you saw the FPS right, now you realize why you saw no difference on that NFS? Graphics was the same, but because there was a bigger resolution, thus more power to draw from GPU and more performance than it's made for, it would be lower on higher res.
Graphics & Case, Your call on that, you are coming as a console gamer so I can't rage on this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IF9ZPwgDM
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I was a victim of this Hz monitor bullshit.
I saw the guy that killed me and from his POV he was semi-scoped and saw me quickly before I saw him. Damn, never knew the Hz refresh thingy is so damn important. I'm not a pro srs gamer by all means but surely I still wanna do well in my games.. well there goes another £150 getting a proper monitor.
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Most monitors come with 60 Hz refresh rate. You are fine with that.
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I'm off to buy headset because I wanna hear footsteps and pow these bitches
Tritton Kunai or Turtle Beach Recon 50X?
Both will be used for PC and PS4.
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I was a victim of this Hz monitor bullshit.
(http://i.picasion.com/resize81/15fb6a9a37a75f9beb662314ee02bdbe.jpg)
well there goes another £150 getting a proper monitor.
That isn't going to do it if you want a 120+hz monitor, be prepared to spend double.
Also I doubt you are capable of running games at such frame rates anyway so there's no point in getting one.