Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Petarda on July 08, 2016, 03:09:51 am
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So the main issue here is that we are lacking of real "gta roleplay". It's not that kind of thread when we complain about community being shit, it's something else, try to read it please.
Let's say there's a freecop named Bob. Bob has all his police mods installed and he's ready to enforce the law :cop: . But what is Bob told to do? Bob has to learn all the ten codes, he has to give himself a cool name on /r such as Alpha 13 and he is ready to become SAPD robot. For fuck sake guys it's GTA, you are supposed to be "harassing" criminals, go approach them, talk to them in the "cop humor" way.
So you are a Bob and you know that some Italian guy was kidnapping people? You know that the black guy in Idlewood is dealing weed? Yeah you know that but you don't have proofs, so why don't you just go over there and check it yourself, talk to a guy, there's no law that is stopping you from doing that, look around the black guy's area, I'm sure he will interact with you too. He probably won't give you the weed or admit that he kidnapped someone but at least you interacted, didn't you? But yeah, did the dark blue guy with clan tag infront of his name tell you to continue your patrol as Phoenix 21 and don't give a fuck about anything else? Well, Bob, you are actually better than him, really, all that guy knows is couple of ten codes and to professionally drive a PD cruiser while you can bring roleplay to this server.
The point is to stop creating robots out of those poor guys but instead to encourage them to roleplay with the "bad guys".
I don't really get it, you just saw a guy getting kidnapped but apparently the kidnappers left once you arrived, so yeah it's time to
Bob(14): GAMMA 13: 10-49 10-15 10-230 10 -23-21-32-13 -219321932131 :cop:
instead of checking out that guy, not just pulling him over and letting him go, try to approach him few times, make sure he won't do anything bad after that, it won't hurt you really.
I'm not sure if anyone would understand what I'm saying so here's a very honest TLDR: SAPD turned into dull shit that turns freecops into robots that can't interact with potential criminals nor do anything else except to write police codes and pull over fast drivers.
We are seriously lacking of real cops
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WTF is this? I'd suggest the opposite to this, don't be a superman (robocop) and jump into situations alone. Learn the codes, learn the protocols, act and roleplay like a professional. I do not advice you to approach Inglewood alone. :dead: We are trying to get rid of the old "shoot the orange blips" I do not understand what I just read here, perhaps I'm too tried, but yeah.
Some of the SAPD members and deifinitely FBI have been approaching us and showing quality roleplay, investigating and keeping it all IC.
you are supposed to be "harassing" criminals
:eek:
Communicating with the locals is essential and will help to develop roleplay for sure. I would like to see more traffic stops to catch speeders and reckless drivers though as the current traffic environment is just awful.
Perhaps create more police checkpoints (and speedtraps), check for wanted/notorious criminals. Use your indicator device to determine if the driver has been drinking or is under the influence of drugs. Check for weapons/drugs.
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I am an avid user of the ten codes, i speak effect phrases and i still do appreciate a lot to roleplay with criminals. Had a great turnout today with some 424 folks, as we approached them due to an outer situation. Of course, you and me know there are exceptions, and these are on the criminal side also, and we all know who they are.
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most freecops are getting shit on very much. like come on if you tail a guy for a while you don't have to call it in or something unti you pull him over also i see free cops driving arround with /carsign (ID)-Robber-(id) like wtf. they should be learned the basic stuff and roleplay but not heavy roleplay
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Once cops couldn't return any longer they do not approach situations alone, which in most cases means they don't approach anything at all and than complain about a lack of roleplay. It should be encouraged that cops talk to civilians and even if that civilian is a criminal. Just talking shouldn't turn into a shootout.
I wish people didn't constantly buy and carry guns. A cop came into your turf? Don't fucking execute him, if you want to rough him up get a bat.
I am an avid user of the ten codes, i speak effect phrases and i still do appreciate a lot to roleplay with criminals. Had a great turnout today with some 424 folks, as we approached them due to an outer situation. Of course, you and me know there are exceptions, and these are on the criminal side also, and we all know who they are.
The thing is people are willing to roleplay with the FBI, because they have this made up glorification about how much of a roleplayer you need to be to get into the FBI. Nobody respects a freecop, (although some times for good reason: http://i.imgur.com/TZW7XKW.png ) but that mentality should change.
I roleplay a criminal and I absolutely love to RP with cops, it might be because I know I'm terrible at shooting so I never have guns and am not terrified of a shootout starting. I think cops should interact with criminals more, yes. Although speaking in 10 codes doesn't mean you are a bloody robot.
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I wish people didn't constantly buy and carry guns. A cop came into your turf? Don't fucking execute him, if you want to rough him up get a bat.
And that is te exact reason there is not much roleplay on those turfs. Enter the area (alone), and get shot. Sad but true.
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Exactly why cops assume everyone is a threat nowadays.
I mean, just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6ZllizLbA
I agree with every single word the cop says, nobody even bothers stopping nowadays, pulling aside when they hear sirens, people randomly aiding each other, ramming cops, complete chaos, non-RP actions and copbait all the time.
People are so greedy they won't pay 10$ for the tolls, money is eating this server, that's why this realistic economy is not needed, it's just making it worse, makes the greed more aggressive.
As I said many times in past, traffic crimes should be punished much harsher, I mean 250$ max for the ticket is damn horrific. Hideous. It should be max at least 5,000$. And no, it's not gonna motivate people to evade more, you know why? because they already evade more with the 250$ because it boosts their notoriety up! notoriety script is mere copbait with the way it works now. Notoriety should be increased by committing crimes away from cops, not by getting /su'd.
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it sucks when you're in 2016 and still learning the ten codes, most police departments don't even use them anymore
The whole "criminal group members can't go on police duty" is even more retarded and disgusting.
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The whole "criminal group members can't go on police duty" is even more retarded and disgusting.
and the 'sapd members can't commit crimes off duty' ;)
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and the 'sapd members can't commit crimes off duty' ;)
ikr? this whole community is starting to appear like a tryhard version of a server one must not say its name
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No need to shout generalizations and provocations around. Let's not escalate this topic too.
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Exactly why cops assume everyone is a threat nowadays.
I mean, just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6ZllizLbA
I agree with every single word the cop says, nobody even bothers stopping nowadays, pulling aside when they hear sirens, people randomly aiding each other, ramming cops, complete chaos, non-RP actions and copbait all the time.
People are so greedy they won't pay 10$ for the tolls, money is eating this server, that's why this realistic economy is not needed, it's just making it worse, makes the greed more aggressive.
As I said many times in past, traffic crimes should be punished much harsher, I mean 250$ max for the ticket is damn horrific. Hideous. It should be max at least 5,000$. And no, it's not gonna motivate people to evade more, you know why? because they already evade more with the 250$ because it boosts their notoriety up! notoriety script is mere copbait with the way it works now. Notoriety should be increased by committing crimes away from cops, not by getting /su'd.
"gee man, i wonder why nobody plays here nowadays? it's a great server"
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We're not all robots, indeed, I've never issued a scripted ticket/citation. I also prefer not to use 10 codes and such as it's counter-productive if you have less experienced officers around who don't know what they are. For example, If I say "Code 4 Idlewood," people who do not know their police codes would think I was asking them to come to Idlewood, when in fact I'm saying I don't need any further assistance!
The county departments seemed to be better at the "human" policing side. I feel that at the moment, officers are encouraged to be a "trained cop," whereas I would argue it is 10 times more important to know how to RP effectively first.
Performing a traffic stop and acting as if you're on a script is boring for the person stopped in most cases. If I am ever stopped I try to purposely break the officer out of the "script" and do some outrageous roleplay. If surrendering I do not /gu, I use /hail 1. Incidentally, sometimes after I use /hail to surrender, I get a PM or something like that, telling me to /gu instead. Again, the officer is totally missing the point of what /gu is for. They're following a script: "Suspect the criminal, get them to /gu, /cuff them, /jail them." We should instead promote: "RP with them."
That being said, not all are like that, the FBI as a whole seems to RP well, within the bounds of how you'd expect the FBI to behave, the SAPD have quite a few individuals who will happily RP. Let's not put a blanket judgment on all cops when a lot of them are fine.
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What Pet wants to point out in my opinion is that: In terms of roleplay cop duty shouldn't meet limits. Cops must penetrate the barriers which are considered 'taboo'. Cops must not be always that 2nd party who wait for criminals to move or do something. We lack corrupt cops crews for example. That's why when Mikal exercised cop duty 5-6 months ago for some days offered best roleplays from ARPD :)
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What Pet wants to point out in my opinion is that: In terms of roleplay cop duty shouldn't meet limits. Cops must penetrate the barriers which are considered 'taboo'. Cops must not be always that 2nd party who wait for criminals to move or do something. We lack corrupt cops crews for example. That's why when Mikal exercised cop duty 5-6 months ago for some days offered best roleplays from ARPD :)
It's virtually impossible for cops to RP being corrupt, and 100% impossible for the FBI to do so. This is due to factors such as forum posts and messages in /p being taken into account as well as actions ingame.
People use the "We don't officially support IC/OOC" quote to justify this, but yeah, totally ruins a lot of RP.
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It's virtually impossible for cops to RP being corrupt, and 100% impossible for the FBI to do so. This is due to factors such as forum posts and messages in /p being taken into account as well as actions ingame.
People use the "We don't officially support IC/OOC" quote to justify this, but yeah, totally ruins a lot of RP.
People who take /p and forum posts in non-rp topics as RP should be fired.
People who use "we don't support IC/OOC" as an excuse to catch corrupt cops using /p evidence should be fired.
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Yes that's very sad, and if we speak for sake of RP must change.
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As Julio said, if there's a high ranked cop that is corrupt and does something, the victims will go and publish it all in /p, forums etc... you just can't do something 'hidden' in Argonath, even if you as a criminal kill someone far away from everyone, the victim has the ability to leak it all out in /p and on forums and so on...
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As Julio said, if there's a high ranked cop that is corrupt and does something, the victims will go and publish it all in /p, forums etc... you just can't do something 'hidden' in Argonath, even if you as a criminal kill someone far away from everyone, the victim has the ability to leak it all out in /p and on forums and so on...
Even if the victim talks, must not affect until the there's proper investigation according to the rules and roleplay that finds guilty the personage.
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If the whole idea of not being able to commit crimes off duty was in place years ago, we wouldn't have had a lot of the amazing RP scenarios from our own jcstodds or GiacJr. We wouldn't have had "Corleone SWAT" (which people moaned about, but I personally found hilarious).
Sure, I see the point being made, "one side or the other," but that makes it boring. Some people can yawn their way through RPs, but sorry, I'm not one of them!
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Even if the victim talks, must not affect until the there's proper investigation according to the rules and roleplay that finds guilty the personage.
This.
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That still doesn't change the fact that the person has the ability to flip your public image, because majority still use /p and forum for roleplay matters.
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Even if the victim talks, must not affect until the there's proper investigation according to the rules and roleplay that finds guilty the personage.
Only way to achieve this is to yet add another rule. Currently the amount of rules on SA:MP is ridiculous. One cancels an other and so forth.
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That still doesn't change the fact that the person has the ability to flip your public image, because majority still use /p and forum for roleplay matters.
I got your problem as high ranked cop is the image (which for my opinion is very wrong however won't put in question your idea). But we're speaking for a limitation which is globalized with force from inner also called rules that stops few groups or individuals to exercise some certain roleplay out of ethical lines of being that virgin cop.
Only way to achieve this is to yet add another rule. Currently the amount of rules on SA:MP is ridiculous. One cancels an other and so forth.
No there's no rule needed. According to our constitution; a person is innocent until proven otherwise from court, ok. That applies not only for civil citizens, but for cops as well. With this said, we have opportunity to open door for a whole new world where cops should not focus only on notable criminals, but even in cops which somehow abused their duty. Example? Case of FBI v CIA.
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As Julio said, if there's a high ranked cop that is corrupt and does something, the victims will go and publish it all in /p, forums etc... you just can't do something 'hidden' in Argonath, even if you as a criminal kill someone far away from everyone, the victim has the ability to leak it all out in /p and on forums and so on...
if nobody gave a shit about bitching people over /p then they wouldn't bitch because they gain no attention
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it sucks when you're in 2016 and still learning the ten codes, most police departments don't even use them anymore
The whole "criminal group members can't go on police duty" is even more retarded and disgusting.
Oh yeah absolutely, I lost my notoriety so for the lolz I wanted to be a sheriff in Bone County and it said that I can't go on duty because I'm in a criminal group, so I asked in /p if that's a mistake and someone told me to just leave the criminal group.
"Leave the criminal group"?
(http://i.imgur.com/uMvo4WW.png)
NO. I will not leave 16 groups to be a cop for 20 minutes and get tired of it. That update just made less people interested in being a cop.
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Argonath used to be about freedom, freedom to be whatever you wanted to be without strings and limitations.
I also used to be a cop when I wasn't role-playing a criminal. And it's quite nice, to break the habit and experience something different but nowadays you need to be a monk to be a cop.
I wish we could change that..
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I'd highly recommend you censor names of the groups or meet the consequences :lol:
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The reason for all of this is HQ listening to the players.
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Argonath used to be about freedom, freedom to be whatever you wanted to be without strings and limitations.
I also used to be a cop when I wasn't role-playing a criminal. And it's quite nice, to break the habit and experience something different but nowadays you need to be a monk to be a cop.
I wish we could change that..
Yeah totally, the freedom to RP freely with a minimum of rules was one of the ideals Argonath was built on if I remember correctly?
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The reason for all of this is HQ listening to the players.
You shouldn't listen to every player who opens their mouth, else you'd end up with bullshit like this.
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You shouldn't listen to every player who opens their mouth, else you'd end up with bullshit like this.
So they shouldn't listen to you then?
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We listen to all input you have, and add in our own opinions on some points. It happens that we agree with ideas that some like, and some don't. We try to minimize this division with our own points of view on it as we have- and must be the neutral side.
This is however the result of what the majority wanted, nothing much we can do with it except adjusting or reversing it to fit the desire of all.
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So they shouldn't listen to you then?
ur so funny man i wish i was like u but then i would have to take a walk to the hardware store and buy a thick rope to tie around my neck
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ur so funny man i wish i was like u but then i would have to take a walk to the hardware store and buy a thick rope to tie around my neck
Get one for me too, thanks.
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Get one for me too, thanks.
We're all going to share the same tree branch and steps? On a budget you know!
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You didn't get the point, it's hard to understand cause I have no idea how to explain it better lol
Let's say there's you and 2 of your guys in Idlewood, you're all bored and out of nowhere Bob :cop: comes and starts talking to you, instead of being bored and watching poor Bob being bored too.
It's virtually impossible for cops to RP being corrupt, and 100% impossible for the FBI to do so.
You don't have to be really corrupt, let's say cop comes to a famous drug dealer guy and he starts telling him how he'll probably end up in jail, so the guy invites him for a drink and cop rply goes off the duty and has a drink or two with the guy so cop "softens" and goes away. He wasn't bribed since he wasn't even about to jail the guy in the exact moment but he had a nice roleplay.
But anyway this also depends on criminal's behavior, most criminals instantly tell the cop to gtfo once he approaches them.
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It's virtually impossible for cops to RP being corrupt, and 100% impossible for the FBI to do so.
Hehe that isn't right... there is many corrupt cops, including FBI members
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The reason for all of this is HQ listening to the players.
For some reason this springs to mind... :D
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(http://i.imgur.com/NP2AaPj.png)
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good example to new cops :gand:
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lol, this topic made me giggle a bit, keep it up!
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(http://i.imgur.com/NP2AaPj.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/x9Zb23u.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/QLVWjQt.png)
good example to new cops :gand:
Yeah I don't think that's the kind of attitude the SAPD is trying to promote
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Yeah I don't think that's the kind of attitude the SAPD is trying to promote
Well he's clearly a SAPD member isn't he?
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I believe this is an encouraging dialogue.
One of the many attractive qualities of becoming a member of the SAPD is the academy period which actively promotes roleplaying and community interaction. Not only is this a phase which can ready officers in becoming competent in their day-to-day duties, but also in becoming competent as a roleplayer outside of law enforcement.
My favorite memories in law enforcement here were the lawful interactions I had. Rarely did a story or a conversation come about a time where guns were involved, rather, the human interaction behind it. Not everything about policing involves enforcing the law, but preventing it through community interaction and engagement. This starts with stepping outside of the patrol car, holstering your weapon, and having those conversations which promote a community feel.
While I am not denying that "SAPD robots" exist, I do believe that the San Andreas Police Department provides the resources and the opportunities to counter this psyche of behavior. It is up to the individual to take advantage of these resources if they want to heighten their roleplaying ability, and heighten their reputation as a police officer in San Andreas.
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Well he's clearly a SAPD member isn't he?
So, if I see a member of Luciano hack a minigun, I'm supposed to assume that's what Luciano encourages?
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While I am not denying that "SAPD robots" exist, I do believe that the San Andreas Police Department provides the resources and the opportunities to counter this psyche of behavior. It is up to the individual to take advantage of these resources if they want to heighten their roleplaying ability, and heighten their reputation as a police officer in San Andreas.
One follows the example of the other. A freecop seeing multiple robots easily becomes one himself, even if he is not planning to do so.
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So, if I see a member of Luciano hack a minigun, I'm supposed to assume that's what Luciano encourages?
Isn't it?
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So, if I see a member of Luciano hack a minigun, I'm supposed to assume that's what Luciano encourages?
Well if Luciano accepted that guy it's what Luciano encourages, same goes for SAPD.
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So, if I see a member of Luciano hack a minigun, I'm supposed to assume that's what Luciano encourages?
If they don't openly challenge them, then yes.