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Title: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 29, 2016, 06:31:07 pm
Currently, the ARPD is just nothing in SAMP. It serves a role for ARPD Recruits and that's it, which is really sad. Because you have an ARPD Commissioner which just serves a passive role. Especially after Teddy liberated FBI from ARPD, then ARPD no longer serves a purpose. For Argonath SAMP itself, it is not healthy the way everything is divided. FBI, SAPD, ARPD, CIA, SASD. It is really just not good for the server due to the fact that all these different agencies have their own regulations and they try to flip it over to a side where they justify the current constitusion of Argonath. Yet, this holds everyone in jeopardy.

These points are ground for my previous statement

What is the result of this? Loss. None is winning. SASD loses to SAPD, SAPD loses to FBI, FBI would lose to CIA and the fact that there are no federal crimes and CIA does not serve a purpose at all. Due to this, having an ARPD Commissioner is practically useless for the purpose of all 4 law enforcement agencies. Not only to mention that 4 different law enforcement agencies got their own rules to follow with such a low player base as Argonath's, then yeah. Everyone loses. The only one who actually win is the criminal factions due to the massive cluster f-- going on within ARPD.



How should ARPD SAMP actually be? It should be united.

Do not merge FBI with SAPD, yet do not merge SAPD with FBI. Do not merge CIA with FBI. Do not merge SASD with SAPD. None should be merged.

"Well how can we do this then?" We close FBI, SAPD, CIA and SASD all down together. We reset. We create ARPD. With a proper Metropolitan Division and a Detective Bureau allowing you to pursue two different paths. Follow one handbook, one bible that all should stand by. Do not put the current FBI Director to a rank which goes under Chief of Police. The FBI Director is most likely good at what he does that is why he is the FBI Director. Same goes to SAPD Chief of Police.

Choose a new Chief of Police for ARPD. No more Commissioner. Make the current Chief of Police and FBI Director the rank beneath Chief of Police to make them equilivant. Make them cooperate not fight. This is the mentality that Argoath should have. Follow a common Recruitment Process for all who wish to join ARPD. Everything should be syncronized. Not scattered out.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Whiteman on August 29, 2016, 06:34:26 pm
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Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Paco on August 29, 2016, 07:36:55 pm
"Well how can we do this then?" We close FBI, SAPD, CIA and SASD all down together.
Stopped reading at that point. I love your passion to make a change and unite everything, but an honest opinion; this is fucked up. I don't think none of the agencies will agree on that. Not because it's a stupid idea, but rather cause it'll require so much time and efforts to change everything that you'd question if it's all worth it.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Traser on August 29, 2016, 09:23:39 pm
Removed pointless comments, Either have constructive criticism or don't comment at all, Punishments will be given.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Rusty on August 29, 2016, 10:55:41 pm
Would have been a good idea years ago, not so much now. 
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 29, 2016, 11:30:11 pm
Would have been a good idea years ago, not so much now.
I don't see why it would not have been a good idea now? Argonath is not a lost cause is it?

Stopped reading at that point. I love your passion to make a change and unite everything, but an honest opinion; this is fucked up. I don't think none of the agencies will agree on that. Not because it's a stupid idea, but rather cause it'll require so much time and efforts to change everything that you'd question if it's all worth it.
ARPD has been heading down the wrong road for quite some time now. It is never a stupid idea to go back and drive in on the right road. If you realize you're doing something wrong, you wont continue it.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Primus on August 29, 2016, 11:50:12 pm
Its a good idea tho but as Paco said agencies won't agree to this and there is reason to that, there are some people who are very dedicated to there job and don't want the change and there are those butthurts who only plays on Argo because of there so called virtual rank and don't want to loose it.

Sorry to say but its the truth it will be never implementd until everyone sees the benift of this, tho you did a fantastic job, as always. Gj.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 29, 2016, 11:53:19 pm
Its a good idea tho but as Paco said agencies won't agree to this and there is reason to that, there are some people who are very dedicated to there job and don't want the change and there are those butthurts who only plays on Argo because of there so called virtual rank and don't want to loose it.

Sorry to say but its the truth it will be never implementd until everyone sees the benift of this, tho you did a fantastic job, as always. Gj.

The thing is that, none will lose their virtual rank. All current FBI and SAPD members will get a rank in the ARPD which is equilivant to the rank they had in their original agency.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Primus on August 30, 2016, 12:10:24 am
The thing is that, none will lose their virtual rank. All current FBI and SAPD members will get a rank in the ARPD which is equilivant to the rank they had in their original agency.
Good luck convincing this to them. I only saw is that each agency thinks they are superior to other and that kills whole system. As things going on nowdays, putting everyone in same plate will make it unhealthy.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 30, 2016, 12:40:17 am
Good luck convincing this to them. I only saw is that each agency thinks they are superior to other and that kills whole system. As things going on nowdays, putting everyone in same plate will make it unhealthy.
I do not disagree with this, neither do I fully agree. I understand the fact that there will be disagreements. There is no doubts about this. Even the healthiest factions have disagreements in them, so this is unavoidable. However, each situation is what we make out of it and how we cope with our problems. In Argonath this seem to be an absent factor due to FBI having their vision of how things need to work and SAPD has theirs.

In reality those who end up suffering from all these disagreeemnts that often restrict the other agency is the officers of SAPD and the agents of FBI. Not the Chief of Police and the FBI Director. This is why we need a common ground to stand on, so the disagreements stays within the leaders and is handled and coped with better. This is the only way that officers and agents could really avoid all the drama and the negative environment they are put within.

Besides, there would not be much change for FBI. The FBI would do exactly what they are doing, wearing the same skins except the FBI skin. Drive the same undercover vehicles, conduct the same operations and have a rank which is not Agent but rather Detective.

The difference would be that they serve in the same faction as SAPD in a new faction constructed by both FBI and SAPD leaders together. The Director of FBI would receive an equilivant rank to the SAPD Chief of Police. So let's say that there is a new leader to lead this faction. Hopefully one of the Managers of the server so there would be a neutral leadership. Let's say Carbon takes ARPD Chief of Police. The Director of FBI gets ARPD Assistant Chief of Police and so does the current SAPD Chief of Police. The one who used to be FBI Director has the title of Director of the Detective Bureau and the one who was SAPD Chief of Police gets Commander of the Metropolitan Division. This way they still deal with the same operations they do. Doing this will ensure that there are much more communication within the new ARPD. All current members have an easier way to get along with each other due to being on the same page as one another. You can as well conduct proper take downs with assistance from officers and wouldn't have to overview or request it but you would simply know if there are sufficient staff from the ARPD available. There are so much which plays a role in this which would make our gameplay as LEOs so much more enjoyable. We should embrace this and do it now.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Rusty on August 30, 2016, 01:28:47 am
So you want it like this -

Chief of Police - Server Manager
Ideally Dylan due to his police background.

Current Chief of Police and FBI Director moved to Assistant Chief of Police or respectively Commander of Metro Division and Commander of Detective Division.

So essentially all falls under SAPD as one.   

Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 30, 2016, 01:41:25 am
So you want it like this -

Chief of Police - Server Manager
Ideally Dylan due to his police background.

Current Chief of Police and FBI Director moved to Assistant Chief of Police or respectively Commander of Metro Division and Commander of Detective Division.

So essentially all falls under SAPD as one.
A complete revamp of the SAMP ARPD as a whole, yeah.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 31, 2016, 02:43:17 am
I got a question for the players of Argonath.

For what reason do we need a second police faction to conduct investigations when we could have just one police department doing it?
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Luke on August 31, 2016, 02:43:52 am
I got a question for the players of Argonath.

For what reason do we need a second police faction to conduct investigations when we could have a police department doing it?

uc rights mate
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 31, 2016, 02:44:35 am
uc rights mate

Both got UC rights regardless.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Luke on August 31, 2016, 02:45:17 am
Both got UC rights regardless.

okay a cool skin and a rancher
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: .James on August 31, 2016, 02:46:02 am
We don't really have that great player count ingame for these many factions.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Luke on August 31, 2016, 02:46:56 am
We don't really have that great player count ingame for these many factions.
I think the management also agreed to that, untill someone threw a spanner in the works.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 31, 2016, 02:48:04 am
I think the management also agreed to that, untill someone threw a spanner in the works.

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hint hint.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: .James on August 31, 2016, 02:49:14 am
Merging them all together would be better, well atleast organized...
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 31, 2016, 02:49:51 am
Merging them all together would be better, well atleast organized...
Aye.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Luke on August 31, 2016, 02:51:30 am
Merging them all together would be better, well atleast organized...

I rest my case.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Teddy on August 31, 2016, 04:33:43 pm
(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JC703_0626te_G_20150626082146.jpg)

hint hint.

Yes. It was me. Got a problem?
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Julio. on August 31, 2016, 04:44:35 pm
Interesting concept but not technically required in my opinion.

Merging them together will not practically make it any more "organised" as has been described, what makes organisations work effectively together is the attitude of the employees of said organisations, and how they choose to interact with one another.

I haven't personally got a problem with the SAPD, FBI etc being totally different divisions. It's not a terrible idea for both organisations to be accountable to an individual (or government), but both serving under the ARPD banner? Meh.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: TiMoN on August 31, 2016, 04:51:48 pm
Why not reinstate the ARPD Commissioner position or even apply that council thing that was suggested but never implemented?
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: Arslan on August 31, 2016, 05:39:47 pm
We currently have two official factions SAPD & FBI. Both very capable of functioning on their own. Have a problem with any of them? Go raise it with their commanding members. So there's no "too many" factions argument here. Both have their own job and roles, FBI doesn't have a vision for what SAPD officers should be doing or how they should operate - as stated int he first post of this topic, it is the job of their Chiefs and other command members to do that.
Title: Re: ARPD SAMP: How it should be
Post by: McGarrett on August 31, 2016, 09:13:16 pm
We currently have two official factions SAPD & FBI. Both very capable of functioning on their own. Have a problem with any of them? Go raise it with their commanding members. So there's no "too many" factions argument here. Both have their own job and roles, FBI doesn't have a vision for what SAPD officers should be doing or how they should operate - as stated int he first post of this topic, it is the job of their Chiefs and other command members to do that.

There are ALWAYS a situation going on with FBI and SAPD. Regardless if it is officers witchhunting agents or vice versa.
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