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Title: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 12:27:36 am

From:
Vincent Johnson,
Cerveza Heights, Liberty City

To:
State of Argonath, People's Court

Dear court, on the date of 09/07/2016 I was pulled over by officer known as "Zack_Fair". After pulling over, officer approached me and instantly asked me to step out from vehicle, I asked for reason twice and received this as an answer "The reason i am asking you to step out is because you are driving like an idiot.", So that's pretty clear disrespecting and i have noted it to officer. After left with no choice, but to step out of vehicle, i did so. Officer rushed to my trunk and asked me to open it, i denied it, since there was no reason for him to do so. After that 2 more units arrive on scene, Officer "Caster" and officer "Scipi_o", After that i get asked question from officer Zack asking "I think you haven't noticed your idiotic behaviour on road?" and again i get disrespected without any reason. At that time i got very irritated and threatened that i would sue him. after a while of talking i get asked to show my license, which i did. After him reviewing it, he suddenly says that he revokes it and i won't be able to drive my car for around 10 minutes, obviously that's false and i didn't listen to him, since he has no rights to revoke anything. And finally after that he starts talking about the actual reason i was stopped for (Speeding), He tells me that i was speeding, after asking for my speed, Officer Caster responds with the following "You don't have the right to investigate us :)", That's already over all limits, i am being stopped, disrespected and i can't even know what my actual speed was? So moving on, i felt uncomfortable standing in middle, surrounded by 4 officers, which one of them was armed, I got back into vehicle. However after that i get asked to step out once again and "discuss this like a mature man", I asked for reason on why i should leave vehicle again and instantly get suspected for refusing to cooperate, Since i have not denied any orders from officers, i would assume i was suspected falsely. I instantly surrendered and asked for investigation. Finally after 5 minutes and privately asking Agent "Cassie_Cage" i get taken to investigation. After investigation was over i was made to pay a ticket fine for speeding and was unsuspected. Now i am submitting this court case on behalf that i was falsely suspected, Disrespected and falsely threatened to get my license revoked.

My demands: $500 and verbal warning for officer "Zack_Fair"



Yours faithfully,
Vincent Johnson


Post screens:

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Recordings:

Witnesses: Officers preset on pullover "Zack_Fair", "Caster", "Scipi_o", "Kalom" : Investigated by Agent "Cassie_Cage"

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Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: William Carter on September 07, 2016, 12:40:01 am

Honorable judge,

Well Officer Zack pulled you over for speeding and you were refusing his orders you and about the disrespecting well you just disrespected our fellow officer for no reason that pisses me off and at the investigation you were proven guilty as FBI Agent Cassie_Cage gave you chance to pay the ticket and got unsuspected well its true that zack disrespected you and even you disrespected our fellow officer  by saying who trained this cops thats kind of disrespectfull to our officers and you did say that you were lcpd well am sorry if i misunderstand but  thats not how it goes mate and after you were pulled out of the vehicle officer zack told you to leave the vehicle and you did ignored his orders and sited in your RS after alot of warnings Officer Zack decided to Suspect you for  Refusing to comply its clearly valid and yes i told you dont have the right to investgate us well we gave him enough time and we had enough questions and he keeps asking useless questions and keeps saying cya in court and then he should not keep refusing our orders in the same time he should comply All Officers Did there Job i see no one made a mistake from the officers.



With The Best Regreads,
Caster

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: cokeinmynose on September 07, 2016, 12:50:30 am

The screenshots shows everything i said to him, i am not responsible for my fellow officers and i apologize for their behavior.

I just dont know what i did wrong there..

You just ignored my orders and i arrested you.

Demands: This case/court to be dismissed.

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 10:00:02 am

Dear Caster,

After pullover, i was instantly complying to all of the officer's commands, Now looking that you say that i was speeding, Instead of ticket given to me, i was asked to step out of car and play on officers orders, which were coming without any plot. I am not doll, i am human and have my rights. Now that you say that i disrespected officers, That's false, I gave him advice to take more trainings before going on duty (as seen in screenshots) and it was neither related to you nor officer Zack. Now coming on to the part where i "Ignored" his orders, If you clearly look at the last screenshot, I kindly asked for reason on why i should leave my car and in answer I received arrest, Now looking that you both are officers and you ignored all my questions, It's your job to help citizens, not to force them doing unneeded stuff. Also looking at that you have submitted several applications to LCPD,FBI,NooSE, i was expecting more professionalism from you, however you respond with "You have no right to investigate us" on question asking what my speed was? It's clear that you are abusing your power here, Being officer doesn't give you immortality, If you stop me for speeding, be kind and atleast tell me what my speed was and if you don't know, let other officers do it.

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Dear Zack,

Yes indeed screenshots clearly show how you disrespected me several times, tried Revoking my license and falsely suspected me. In last image i am clearly asking for a reason and you instantly suspect me, If you are hurrying somehwere officer, ask your fellow officers to do normal traffic stop, not rushed one. Instead of you doing normal traffic stop, you started playing with your power and gave orders which had nothing to do with my speeding and after 20 minutes, you have finally started talking about my speeding. Also to add on that, you tried to search my vehicle and frisk me without any plot, You didn't read my rights upon arrest and left me in shade on every question i asked.

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Thank you

Best regards,
Vincent

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: William Carter on September 07, 2016, 10:12:26 am

Honorable judge

well Vincent We gave you enough warnings and officer zack did have the righ to suspect you and yes you you can ask some questions not investigate us well its seems thats wrong you did disrespected our officer well we all are trained and about the comply lol after long case and you keep ignoring our orders and then you entered the vehicle you should not enter your vehicle officer zack gave more then a warning well at the incidents i was kind and did not do anything wrong but you said caster you `better watch your attuide ` well saying this without any reason isnt good at all and about investigating and asking there drifferent investigating means asking alot of questions which should be leaded by officers only and officer zack suspected as he gave you more then 3-4 warnings and you did refused his orders.

Demands: This case/court to be dismissed.






With best  Regards,
Caster

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 10:33:15 am

Dear Caster,

I will simply respond to your first accusation about warnings, Once again, if you have proof that "3-4" warnings were given to me, please post them here, since i don't remember anything like that, If you clearly look at my images, you will only see "now step out of vehicle", Which was the only one as far as i am aware, After that i asked for reason and was suspected. Now you say, that i have right to ask question and not investigate us, Where from the earth did you see me investigating you? I simply asked what my speed was and received such innacurate response from you, Adding that none of my questions were answered (throughout whole pullover) by you or officer Zack. And you saying he had all rights to suspect me, that's blatant lie, I never refused any order saying that i wouldn't do it, I simply asked for reason and expected civil response, but got rushed decision about suspecting me, that's unprofessional and civilians shouldn't be treated like that.

Thank you,

Kind regards,
Vincent

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: William Carter on September 07, 2016, 10:49:15 am

Honorable judge

unfortunately No incident photos were there however am not lieing that we got Report from you Speeding vehicle and then officer zack wanted Role Play with you and say i want to check your trunk but you did not comply and he did ask you to getout of the vehicle and you get out as the photos shows but you did get back in your vehicle and ignored officer zack first you were in foot and then got in your vehicle and officer zack did told you to leave your vehicle and you ignored thats fully unacceptably for us to ignore this case and refusing our orders officer zack did gave you warning and you did some refused his orders and ignored him getting in your vehicle and siting in your rs that makes zack to suspect and the reason was fully valid As Agent Cassie told you to pay the Ticket.



Best Regards,
Caster

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 11:04:31 am

Dear Caster,

You are obviously repeating same thing over and over, Yes i did get back in vehicle ( I never denied fact that i didn't ), I also never ignored or refused any orders, i simply asked for reason on why i should step out, But due to your rudeness, I got suspected without any clarification. Also you was not the one who wanted to check my trunk and you wasn't even there when that part has happened, you are obviously lying here. and on behalf that you say "the reason was fully valid as Agent Cassie told you", I already said that i was speeding, however this traffic stop wasn't related to my speeding as you officers started different game there, I was not given a ticket or warning at all and was suspected for totally diferrent reason, Which was utterly unjustified and rushed decision.

Thank you

Kind regards,
Vincent

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: William Carter on September 07, 2016, 11:18:32 am

Honorable judge


Officer Zack wanted to you warn you however the suspect reason was clearly valid some orders Officer zack told you and  the reason behind the suspect is you refused officer zack orders and you got in your vehicle officer zack has the right 100 percent to suspect you for Refusing officer zack orders.

 :cop:



With Kind Regards,
Caster

 

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 11:43:33 am

Dear Caster,

I am going to clarify this to you for last time, I never refused to comply with the order, i simply asked and question and got suspected in return, is that how you treat civilians around the city? If you are giving orders which have nothing to do with pullover, Atleast be kind and explain why are those orders given.

Thank you

Kind regards,
Vincent Johnson

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: William Carter on September 07, 2016, 11:49:11 am

Quote from: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 11:43:33 am

Dear Caster,

I am going to clarify this to you for last time, I never refused to comply with the order, i simply asked and question and got suspected in return, is that how you treat civilians around the city? If you are giving orders which have nothing to do with pullover, Atleast be kind and explain why are those orders given.

Thank you

Kind regards,
Vincent Johnson

Dear Vincent

Officer Zack order you something before you get in your vehicle and then you get in your vehicle he told you step out and you asked and said what is the reason and refused to leave the vehicle you should step out and ask the reason but i want to make this clear to you i was kind and super calm and i dont know why you get that angry anyways you should have followed the orders and your safe.


With kind regards,
Caster

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 12:06:22 pm

Dear Caster,

Officer Zack didn't order anything before i stepped in vehicle, I was asked to step out once (By you), after i got back into the vehicle. Now i was standing outside before and still wasn't given reason why i am standing in between armed officers, whereas i was just stopped for speeding. Was the reason for me to step out "I am asking you to step out because you are driving like an idiot" (as seen in second screenshot), If so i doubt that's legit reason for me to stand there. If you don't know why i got angry, you should overlook on situation, i was harassed several times, i got suspected falsely and was ordered to make things which were not related to my speeding at all, adding onto that, officer wanted to "revoke" my license, If that's not enough for civilian to get irritated, I am not sure what is.

Thank you

Kind regards,
Vincent Johnson

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: William Carter on September 07, 2016, 12:16:28 pm

Dear Vincent,


The Reason you got suspected is getting in your vehicle without permission ignored and did not tell you to leave or get in your vehicle thats why Officer Zack suspected you and then and officer zack made sure that you should be suspect becouse you entered the vehicle thats why he made sure to suspect you,you should had left the vehicle and explain the incident Alright now lets wait for stuff answers.

Thank you.


With Kind Regard,
Caster

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: cokeinmynose on September 07, 2016, 11:53:26 pm

Quote from: Irradiated on September 07, 2016, 10:00:02 am

Dear Zack,

Yes indeed screenshots clearly show how you disrespected me several times, tried Revoking my license and falsely suspected me. In last image i am clearly asking for a reason and you instantly suspect me, If you are hurrying somehwere officer, ask your fellow officers to do normal traffic stop, not rushed one. Instead of you doing normal traffic stop, you started playing with your power and gave orders which had nothing to do with my speeding and after 20 minutes, you have finally started talking about my speeding. Also to add on that, you tried to search my vehicle and frisk me without any plot, You didn't read my rights upon arrest and left me in shade on every question i asked.

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Thank you

Best regards,
Vincent

- Yes, i did say that u were driving like an idiot because i call that kinda driving behavior idiotic.

- I wanted to revoke ur license because this had to be stopped before someone got hurt or perhaps yourself. I told you that i am going to revoke ur license for 10 minutes so u can calm down and proceed driving while obeying the traffic rules.

- My suspectation is valid because you just decided to follow your own will while you were already out of the vehicle, i asked you again, when u got in ur vehicle back again to step out and you asked why/refused it.

- Yes i tried to search your vehicle because most people that drive like this dont have normal "items" in their vehicle. I just wanted to make sure there was nothing more then just speeding.

- Reason why i did not read you your rights is because you were too busy chatting on mainchat and telling us that you are going to sue us. You did not give me the time to respond and we just gave you an investigation.

Regards,
Zack Fair

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: Irradiated on September 08, 2016, 12:35:52 am

Dear Zack,

- You can call it however you want, unless it is offensive and can be taken as disrespect, as in this case it was disrespect towards me.

- I am pretty sure you are not the one who decides whose license gets revoked, I was stopped second time in around 15 minutes interval, not every minute, no major traffic rules break took place either, as you noted i was driving at speed of 104km/h, which is minor traffic offense. for reference please use This thread on ARPD forums http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=36683.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=36683.0)

- Again on this point, i have already said that i felt uncomfortable standing surrounded by officers, who were armed. I decided to step back into vehicle, after you indeed ask me to step out and i asked for valid reason (Because for first time your reason was : I am asking you to step out because you are driving like an idiot ), So i wanted to know why i should leave my vehicle, but in answer got suspected. As i already said if you were hurrying and couldn't answer my questions, you could ask other officers to perform a traffic stop.

- People who drive like what? 24km/h over speed limit isn't something that destroy city, Yes i know i broke traffic laws and was fully ready to pay ticket fine, which i did so after investigation. But why do you include me in "most people" list, You don't have any valid plot to frisk me or search my vehicle just because you know that most people who "speed" have illegal items.

- As for this claim, it's clearly false, I never said anything about court or suing you in main chat nor i said anything about it after first time mentioning it, as seen in pictures. I was deeply irritated by your decisions and I did treat to sue you, but after that incident i haven't said any word about it.

With best regards,
Vincent Johnson

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: superh2o on September 08, 2016, 05:07:40 pm

While there is no judge assigned to a case, your arguments kinda don't have a point, please wait for @James Conway

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: James Conway on March 29, 2017, 09:40:58 pm

Vincent Johnson, do you still want to pursue this court case?

Title: Re: Suing Zack_Fair
Post by: James Conway on April 12, 2017, 01:23:06 pm

The court section is active again, if you are willing to pursue this court case or a new one, you can do so.

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