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Title: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 12:31:46 am
As if being cop wasn't already easy. Now they can search you for drugs. Which means that they can just arrest almost everyone in SA.
They knew the exact number of drugs i had, i didn't even knew that.
That sucks. Can't we have our drugs up in our ass.
It is too easy for cops, they search you in 1 sec. Thats so unreal.
Anyway, it now sucks being a criminal.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Trix on January 22, 2008, 12:50:06 am
Was it an admin who searched you by any chance ? because I haven't seen a command to see how many drugs you have on person, but do know admins can look.

But I do believe it would be a good idea to have a /search command for drugs but also a /store drug ammount command so you guys can store drugs at your house / business.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 12:54:56 am
I was an Admin.
Wait, then it is abuse, cause they got after me.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Trix on January 22, 2008, 12:56:25 am
I was an Admin.
Wait, then it is abuse, cause they got after me.

Yeah it would count as abuse in my opinion.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Watahell on January 22, 2008, 01:41:19 am
Yes, the admin on this case used the command to take advantage on an RP situation, so you should report. ;)
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Luca_Scalise on January 22, 2008, 01:44:24 am
Few weeks ago a cop searched drugs on a suspect, and he asked me via pm to check him.. so i checked him and he had drugs on him, but he was saying no  :trust: i think the cops (at least the arpd) need a /search command
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Wael90 on January 22, 2008, 08:35:59 am
LOL /searchdrugs commands? No thanks...Evryone will become a cop and there will be no more citizens or criminals out there. Cops will start eating each other and rioting at the city hall and blabla..
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 22, 2008, 08:41:38 am
I dont care about if ARPD gets such a command :) But then drug dealers like me :) Should have a command /dropweed and it automatic drops 20 gram.

Example:
¨
You are a drug dealer who sells weed maybe, more than 20 gram maximum, but we can make a new law if this idea gonna happend. Police can jail you if you got more than 20 gram weed, and take you to jail or what ever. BUT if you see police you should could do /dropweed and run for your life and the 20 gram weed is gone and they dont fine anything
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Castor_Troy on January 22, 2008, 09:58:38 am
I just wrote a thread on ARPD forums adressing this situation. I refered to the Bill of rights, the 4th amendment. Heres a bit from the post i made:

"Ive seen policeofficers from the force and cadets that seem to have forgotten the 4th ammendment of the Bill of rights.

Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. Some rights to privacy have been inferred from this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.

Dont search a person or his affects without a warrant or probable cause. I will make some examples:

Officer Dirty sees a man on the street. The officer refer the man to be standing in a criminal area or maybe a "drugspot". Without further evidence the officer searches the man against his will. Wether he finds drugs or not, he violated this mans rights and the evidence he found cant be used in a court of law.

To have made this search legal he would have to ask his superior or a judge to get a warrant. He can also get an "automatic warrant", the probable cause clausul. If the policeman sticks around and observes the man he might find reason that he is infact committing crimes, evesdropping on conversations, seeing drugs change owners etc. If the policeman witness a drugdeal he have all the evidence he need to search the man. This also concerns people using drugs in a public place."


But wether using admin commands to search i dont want to comment. But the /search command is a good idea and maybe we could have it tested with ARPD officers, since cadets probably would only abuse it.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Serpico on January 22, 2008, 10:06:07 am
All i can say that cops cant see what you have in inventory, dont worry :)
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Castor_Troy on January 22, 2008, 10:47:45 am
All i can say that cops cant see what you have in inventory, dont worry :)

I was thinking if u wanted to RP a search, but u can also do the real search if ur an admin and thats the problem isnt it.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Shifter on January 22, 2008, 11:10:29 am
With the /seacrh command for cops, Make it so criminals can /stash their drugs at their homes/Bizz's
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: VMNT on January 22, 2008, 11:13:37 am
With the /seacrh command for cops, Make it so criminals can /stash their drugs at their homes/Bizz's


Or maybe hide somewhere private...  :lol:  Obviously not too many though, maybe a limit of 5-10
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Paroxysm on January 22, 2008, 11:21:39 am
I dont care about if ARPD gets such a command :) But then drug dealers like me :) Should have a command /dropweed and it automatic drops 20 gram.

Example:
¨
You are a drug dealer who sells weed maybe, more than 20 gram maximum, but we can make a new law if this idea gonna happend. Police can jail you if you got more than 20 gram weed, and take you to jail or what ever. BUT if you see police you should could do /dropweed and run for your life and the 20 gram weed is gone and they dont fine anything



I like that idea. :)
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Castor_Troy on January 22, 2008, 11:31:26 am

Or maybe hide somewhere private...  :lol:  Obviously not too many though, maybe a limit of 5-10

lol who wanne buy that?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: VMNT on January 22, 2008, 01:20:46 pm
lol who wanne buy that?


Druggies....


If you're gonna be taking heroin anyway it's not really gonna matter where it comes from..
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 02:42:54 pm
I would report him but I don't even remember his name. :(
I was like "WTF?!" and ran.
Pistol man got searched too.

I think his name was austin-something
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Wael90 on January 22, 2008, 02:51:16 pm
Austin_Powers ?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 02:52:01 pm
Austin_Powers ?
Probably.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Wael90 on January 22, 2008, 03:43:44 pm
He's the only admin with the Austin_ i know....
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Maxy on January 22, 2008, 03:47:17 pm
OOH!! YAY! THis is SUCH a good idea let's completely ignore people who DON'T play cop and give the ARPD ANOTHER command!!!! YAY!!!
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Luca_Scalise on January 22, 2008, 03:48:32 pm
Many times peolpe say "i don't have drugs", but i always check.. and they have drugs on them. Some players are not enough honest to RP a drug search, so yes the ARPD needs a command to search the drugs.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Gimli on January 22, 2008, 03:51:31 pm
An ARPD command has already been made to check for drugs by Haldir... It's not loaded though, I think Gandalf will make a command so people could hide their weed in their houses etc, but I'm not sure.

The ARPD command is level 4+ only (chiefs).. They will also have /destroyweed /destroyheroin /destroycocaine  so they're not high all day . :D

-xcasio
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Wael90 on January 22, 2008, 03:53:18 pm
Is there cocaine ingame? Where can i find it? :P
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 03:54:31 pm
Is there cocaine ingame? Where can i find it? :P
there is no cocain.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Gimli on January 22, 2008, 03:55:10 pm
there is no cocain.

Yes there is, it's possible to rob it from hospitals I think... or it will be...

-xcasio
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Trix on January 22, 2008, 05:23:06 pm
An ARPD command has already been made to check for drugs by Haldir... It's not loaded though, I think Gandalf will make a command so people could hide their weed in their houses etc, but I'm not sure.

The ARPD command is level 4+ only (chiefs).. They will also have /destroyweed /destroyheroin /destroycocaine  so they're not high all day . :D

-xcasio

In my opinion I don't think this would be fair, even if it was just chiefs who have the command to check if a civilian has weed/heroin.

Yes I do agree all cops who have ARPD Rights should have rights to check weed/heroin on a civilian, but only if there is a command for a civilian to hide the drugs in there house/business/rented room. Then there will be no complaining and if a civilian gets caught with Drugs then its there own fault.

When a civilian gets caught with drugs depending on how many times they get caught, I believe there should be a command for the chiefs/captains to check that civilians house for drugs.

We can keep up to date with people who got stopped and arrested for drugs by posting on the on ARPD site, once we have enough evidence we can search there house,

i.e: once one civilian gets caught with up to 100 weed or heroin.

Then we can go and search there house /business.   
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 05:34:51 pm
I'm starting to like this idea cause then, big transactions wouldn't be so normal.

But it should be legal to carry few amounts of drugs like 20 weed and 10 heroin.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Castor_Troy on January 22, 2008, 05:41:17 pm
I'm starting to like this idea cause then, big transactions wouldn't be so normal.

But it should be legal to carry few amounts of drugs like 20 weed and 10 heroin.

thats not few amount, it should be for own purposes so max 3 weed and 2-3 heroin. than we could talk about making it legal carrying these amounts. But i still think there should be a zero-tolerance for drugs like IRL USA.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: [GSF]Darren on January 22, 2008, 06:27:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GXb7-efd4M
the truth about drugs....

i think that cops shouldnt do searches anyway, but instead perform stings, etc on anyone they believe to be a dealer
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: DeeJay on January 22, 2008, 06:30:56 pm
No problems about police doing a search on you for drugs, but doing it all time would be more trouble

//DeeJay
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 22, 2008, 06:46:40 pm
I dont care about if ARPD gets such a command :) But then drug dealers like me :) Should have a command /dropweed and it automatic drops 20 gram.

Example:
¨
You are a drug dealer who sells weed maybe, more than 20 gram maximum, but we can make a new law if this idea gonna happend. Police can jail you if you got more than 20 gram weed, and take you to jail or what ever. BUT if you see police you should could do /dropweed and run for your life and the 20 gram weed is gone and they dont fine anything
Yea, stop giving to the cops, and give to the criminals...
Title: !
Post by: Pandalink on January 22, 2008, 06:51:48 pm
No problem?  :conf:

"Ooh, someone I don't like going near LSPD!"
/give Person weed
/give Person weed
/give Person weed
/give Person weed

The person goes "wtf?" and then goes somewhere near a Cop, not noticing them. The Cop searches this person you don't like randomly, and bam!
/suspect Person "got Drugz"

Not much help, if the Cop was only just out of range to see the "Gives weed to" piece, but then close enough to search  :).
This could even work in reverse, and people could claim you gave them it, even if you didn't.

And as Maxy said.. Yea, the ARPD really need another command, I mean, its terrible for them. They go around the streets, and are completely at the mercy of others.. right until they search them for drugs, megaphone in their face, radio in backup, suspect them, and slam them with automatic Gang Weaponry until they die, then impound their car in a gate that will probably be readded soon, and fine them, or something.

Woo! Lets use... uh.. /ad! To.. Advertise something. Oh look, I've been warned for using /ad to advertise.

Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 06:55:00 pm
yeah, police pulls you over and goes, spread your arms and let me search you.

Or like it happened to me. Let me tell you my story
I was driving through LS, I had just came from a meeting with Dark_Corleone, he offered me a baseball bat as prove of his good will, I was going to store my bat at my hotel room.
I decided to pass through Commerce square to check thing out, I saw a wanted suspect in the middle of the street. So I decided to go ask there ARPD oficer why wasn't him chasing the suspect, but when I got there, This guy named Aiden was being questioned about drugs.
when I was going to ask my question to the ARPD officer, he and a FBI agent just start asking me, "are you the buyer?", "what are you doing here?" "You have 63 weed and 42 heroin!", "You're the seller aren't you?"
I freaked out and said "I want my lawyer! This is harassment!" "wheres the warrant?"
The other guy got into a SUV, so I entered it and told him to head to SF.
A better looked made me realize it was Pistol man.
They then suspecting for aiding a criminal. But I wasn't even driving.
Pistol man crashed into the pier and jumped for a boat.
I passed to the driver seat and rolled away. Cops rammed me and blew up the SUV.
This cop pointed me a gun so I drew Dark's gift and made an home run of the Fed's face.
The ARPD officer came and beat me with a nightstick.
So I started waving the bat around hitting both of them.
The FBI guy ran to take shooting position at me. But I was fighting the other cop and the Fed end up shooting not just me but also the other cop.
After this I ran to shore and went on water.
Bullets fleeing around me. Cops on OOC chat that I was going against rules.
And then, Pistol man shows up in a jetmax to save my ass =D
I surfed on the boat for 15mins, cops complaining,"WTF, how come you have the same ping as Aiden?"
"I'm lucky,I'm on the other side of the Atlantic ocean ehehe..."
Pistol man drived to the river, then trouble appeared, we crashed several times into the wooden bridges. Every time i had to climb to the boat again.
Cops showed up on the river bend.
I hide under the boat, so those idiot decided to blow up the boat with me under it. which means, I died.
End of Story.  :)


BTW they own me a bat. >:(
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 22, 2008, 11:26:06 pm
I was reading your complaints and ideas .... So yes many of you are rights, a /frisk command would be abused.... But what if... What if this command could only be used after the person surrender ?

Why this idea ? So that people won't get abused and checked all the time ... It will be more like : We saw you dealing or going in a weedfield .... Suspected ... /blah surrended, hold your fire and cuff him .... Come next to him, you do /frisk ... /blah have 10 weed, 2 heroin, 5 condoms .... /removedrug .... /blah drug was seized, he now have 0 weed, 0 heroin, 5 condoms ...

Possible abuse : blah was suspected for : Search (Surrender that i search you, I want to search him, I know he have drug) .... This definitely show that there is an abuse made and you can send the screenie at the complaint center

Now for civilans (since you guys complain that cops get it all) :
/stash (drugname)(quantity)  .... So people can hide drug in their house or biz
/destroydrug (drugname)(quantity) ..... Note : Can only be used when not wanted .... Can let you destroy ur drug of one type or the other
And finaly :
/deephide (drugname) .... Let you hide a very little amount on yourself ....(2 weed and 1 hero max) so that even with a /frisk, cops can't find anything ...


So this reduce the ''irreal'' amounts (like 236 weed and 56 hero ....) that a person can hide on self ...



But hum yeah I once asked a question to developper which was like : Will the developpers keep developping the drug aspect ?

And Gandalf answered : Yes, they will  ;)

So be patient, something is coming !
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Castor_Troy on January 22, 2008, 11:35:45 pm
Thats your side of the story, now lets hear mine: I was the FBI agent at Pershing square. Me and officer Austin Powers of the LSPD where talking to Aiden after seeing him offering drugs to us and people around us i think. He said he was a gardener and that it was Oregano he was possesing. Somewhere near that point a man called PMP arrived at the scene, and acted suspicious (interfering with the questioning as i remember it). Officer Austin asked why he was there, "are u the buyer?" he asked to PMP. Im gonna be total honest and admitt i to asked this questions to PMP. Austin searched him with admin commands and found a big amount of drugs. We then wanted to interrogate him inside PD (as an RP thing), thats when PMP ran and after not stopping by policeofficers order, he was suspected for evading i think. I dont know who suspected him but me and officer Powers engaged a chase for suspect PMP.

I dont remember what happened to Aiden... i guess he escaped the scene but i cant recall for sure. When suspect PMP was stopped near the Santa Monica pier, he engaged us with a bat. We tried to hit him back but accidently only hit eachothers. I pulled a gun and shot a warningshot in the air. I did NOT hit anyone of you, you were not wounded by the gunshot. That im certain of. Suspect PMP fleed the scen and headed to the water. He was seen swimming out and we tried to go after him but we had no boat. At that point, someone appeard with a speedboat (i suspect it was Aiden). He picked upPMP and drove off towards Flint County. Near a bridge at Whetstone they stopped the boat, i never saw what happened to the boat (maybe it explode as PMP said) . PMP was nowhere to be found, but i saw suspect Aiden swimming away from the scene.

After a struggling and timetaking effort (Aiden didnt want to come out the water) i finnaly gunned him down from SF Airport while he was swimming. He made no attempts to surrender.

Thats the end of the story. Maybe u think that i had anything to do with ur missfortune, but i did not. This whole mess was created by missunderstandings and to little communication. The big error in ur story is this "pistol man". I never saw this guy and u must have misstaking him for Aiden.

 :ps: By running away from the officer and me, you PMP were incriminating urself and much of the guilt must be laid on u. If u stayed and remained calm, it wouldnt have got that far, and if it did you would have good reasons to report for abusing. We had no evidence to arrest u at pershing, but by running you did incriminate urself.

Sean Archer
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 22, 2008, 11:48:01 pm
ehehe, i dont mind.
But I didn't start driving untill i got to the pier.
Pistol Man(Aidens code name) continued running on a boat. I hopped on the drivers seat.

Of course you didn't saw me die, i was hidden, you were shooting me.
It was nice RP anyway.
But the frisk caught me on surprise, just that.  :)
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Wolfe on January 22, 2008, 11:55:05 pm
make 3 commands:
1:\hidedrugs ( hides drugs in house or bizz )
2: \givewarrant (type of warrant) ( id of cop) ( id of suspect ) ( only chiefs can use this command )
3: \search ( id ) ( only with warrant )
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 23, 2008, 12:11:55 am
Austin searched him with admin commands and found a big amount of drugs.


Sean Archer
I've been talking to my lawyer, he says that it was an illegal search as you didn't have a warrant.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Watti on January 23, 2008, 12:29:45 pm
Well i busted some one for dealin frugs his like i got no drugs.. and i said pay 100$ for me to bugga off.. he didnt.. so i suspected him and killed him then he went Rank :P
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Castor_Troy on January 23, 2008, 12:57:09 pm
ehehe, i dont mind.
But I didn't start driving untill i got to the pier.
Pistol Man(Aidens code name) continued running on a boat. I hopped on the drivers seat.

Of course you didn't saw me die, i was hidden, you were shooting me.
It was nice RP anyway.
But the frisk caught me on surprise, just that.  :)

aha pistolman and aiden is the same person.. ok then all is clear.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Aragorn on January 24, 2008, 09:43:37 am
OMG again cops suck, criminals are teh best...
NOOOO!!! LETS ALL GIVE CRIMINALS freedom TO WALK WITH TONS OF DRUGS AROUND!
And then cops will ask: "Do you have drugs?" of cos answer will be "No!", cops are bye bye "THE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE MY DRUGS OR SUSPECT ME!"

This was discussed between SA:MP developers...
You will be able to hide drugs at home or room you rent...
Cops will have possibility to search any player...
If cops got you on having drugs - you will lose ALL drugs you have...
They will have rights to confiscate the drugs you have... That does not mean they will get drugs...

Why?

I will answer why... Cos you ABUSE weed fields and heroin ship... not COPS ABUSE but YOU ABUSE... You have in your pockets hundreds and thousands of drugs...
So stop blaim cops in all abusing and look at yourselves...

It is already annoying... Seeing a wooden stick in cops eyes and do not see the whole damn forest in own...
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 24, 2008, 09:47:10 am
Btw, Aragorn not evrybody abuses the weed field. Many drug dealers started to buy and sell what they get maybe they buy it cheap and sell it more expensive. But you are right about You loose ALL drugs if the cops search you ;)
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Aragorn on January 24, 2008, 09:51:05 am
Btw, Aragorn not evrybody abuses the weed field. Many drug dealers started to buy and sell what they get maybe they buy it cheap and sell it more expensive. But you are right about You loose ALL drugs if the cops search you ;)

Tons of drugs on SA:MP accounts means - ABUSE... To sell drugs you need minimum 20-30 pockets... None will make a meeting with you to buy 1-5...
The situation went down when DPD and FBI started making raids to the weed fields... Still CRIMINALS abuse...

And from tons of drugs - one complain on cop who searched someone...

It is childish...
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 24, 2008, 09:56:23 am
Maybe we can make a max limit for have the weed, Maybe 100 gram Max in the pocket?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Aragorn on January 24, 2008, 10:54:48 am
Why not give cops possibility to confiscate?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 24, 2008, 11:13:32 am
I think its also a good idea, i want the idea improove the RP. If you are a cop asking a "gangsta" about if he has weed he just say No. It would be a great idea to make a max amount of weed
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Aragorn on January 24, 2008, 11:57:58 am
I think much better idea if cops catch drugs owners then make maximum amounts...
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 24, 2008, 12:04:25 pm
I think much better idea if cops catch drugs owners then make maximum amounts...

Can you explain it more ?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: VMNT on January 24, 2008, 01:42:40 pm
I think much better idea if cops catch drugs owners then make maximum amounts...


Why not do both...?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 24, 2008, 02:28:41 pm
Why not give cops possibility to confiscate?
drugs are the main income for citizens, you want to end it?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 24, 2008, 02:55:25 pm
You right PMP but there should be also an advangete for ARPD officers to check out if the person got drugs..
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 24, 2008, 02:58:14 pm
You right PMP but there should be also an advangete for ARPD officers to check out if the person got drugs..
I sez bizz opportunity here, drugs will become more expensive.
But if any cop searches me without warrant, I'll sue him for the drugs value.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 24, 2008, 02:59:25 pm
Yes, but as Aragorn said people will soon get 1000 weed and 1000 heroin
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Serpico on January 24, 2008, 03:07:00 pm
Why not give cops possibility to confiscate?
It could be nice idea but i think it must be only for higher rank ARPD Officer because many people may abuse it... :roll:
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 24, 2008, 03:22:31 pm
Yes, but as Aragorn said people will soon get 1000 weed and 1000 heroin
ooh, thats what he meant, I wasn't understanding.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Omri on January 24, 2008, 03:33:06 pm
But i dont know if they can close the weed field and heroin ship for a while? Like this idea.


Police has burned the weed fields and No one can grow weed from there anymore at both weed fields. And The heroin ship is burned that could might be some news at the argonath express just for shut down the drug indrusty a little..
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Castor_Troy on January 24, 2008, 03:37:59 pm
But i dont know if they can close the weed field and heroin ship for a while? Like this idea.


Police has burned the weed fields and No one can grow weed from there anymore at both weed fields. And The heroin ship is burned that could might be some news at the argonath express just for shut down the drug indrusty a little..

Yeah thought about that to. Like when the scripts got bugged and the drugprices went high.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 26, 2008, 02:14:08 am
FBI and DPD tries to do alot, as Aragorn said, drug went down by a bit, but we can't be on 24/7 (Take me, I've been away a few days, Sean is not there 24/7 either and he is leaving soon and this is the same for all the others from FBI, DPD, SWAT, LSPD, SFPD, LVPD, FCPD, APPD (do I forgot one :S) ) and when there's no cop, the mices dances and they dances too much ... they abuse.. Yay I said that word, abuse ! Never thought I could be able to use it but criminals whine alot about abuse, time for me to return the favor. When some people told us that some other had 257 weeds, I was like man in real life a dude carrying 257 grams of weed on hisself ... Is not possible !!!

Then they go around like : HEY you cant arrest me, me have no drug you nigga (yes once someome said that)
Like .... go to hell, I want to execute you straight away, make you lose it all but I can't and I won't ... Or was it I won't cos' I can't ???


So let make this right for everyone, no whining on either side :
Civilans and criminals :
/storedrug     let you store some drug at house or biz (limit at 50 of each let say)
/hidedrug       I saw this in a movie, the guy hidded the drug in his little black hole so allow like ... 3 grams of each
/destroydrug     If someone give you drug to get you suspected, you can use this command, but it show a message in the chat *person* destroyed some drug

Cops :
/searchhouse    Auto seize the drug stored in a house (maybe biz too)
/frisk                Show civilan items
/removedrug       Remove the drug that a person have and auto destroy it (screen message *Officer* seized drug from *civilan* and destroyed it)

3 commands on each side

What about this Aragorn ?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 26, 2008, 02:31:39 am
So let make this right for everyone, no whining on either side :
Civilans and criminals :
/storedrug     let you store some drug at house or biz (limit at 50 of each let say)
/hidedrug       I saw this in a movie, the guy hidded the drug in his little black hole so allow like ... 3 grams of each
/destroydrug     If someone give you drug to get you suspected, you can use this command, but it show a message in the chat *person* destroyed some drug

Cops :
/searchhouse    Auto seize the drug stored in a house (maybe biz too)
/frisk                Show civilan items
/removedrug       Remove the drug that a person have and auto destroy it (screen message *Officer* seized drug from *civilan* and destroyed it)

3 commands on each side

What about this Aragorn ?
50 each is non sence, where would we keep the rest? Anyway, If this command comes out, I'm gonna go live to the desert. And only sell drugs thru meetings, very secret ones.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 26, 2008, 08:05:41 pm
Well I said a random number

And yeah if you stop selling drug, good
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Aragorn on January 26, 2008, 08:09:06 pm
Why should be limits???
If he will have 1000 drugs cos cops never got him - it is his award...
If he is screaming everywhere "Buy my drugs!" and cops will react on this - say bye to drugs...
Wanna sell drugs? be sure you do it away from public and cops...
Other way we have a country with legal drugs, where every grandma and every boy has tons of drugs and fighting for their rights not to be searched...
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 26, 2008, 08:14:05 pm
Why should be limits???
If he will have 1000 drugs cos cops never got him - it is his award...
If he is screaming everywhere "Buy my drugs!" and cops will react on this - say bye to drugs...
Wanna sell drugs? be sure you do it away from public and cops...
Other way we have a country with legal drugs, where every grandma and every boy has tons of drugs and fighting for their rights not to be searched...
As long as we can store drugs at our home. And that the warrants for house search are given only if there is consistent proof of major drugdealing.
And also those cases, should be judge in court. If the in some aspect the search was not valid, players should get their drugs back.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 26, 2008, 10:32:10 pm
Let's say no limit Aragorn, then let say someone have 10 000 or 1 million
Cops get a warrant
Seize at the same time 1 million drugs .... Can we jail for 1 million time 180 seconds ?  :p 
No, im kidding but seriously, let say it's unlimited, cops need a warrant with serious evidences, people can store but can be bodysearched and they can hide a small amount on themself so that they can keep drug dealing without cops abusing, wouldnt this be, in some way, nice for both ? So cops cant abuse but can see major drugs holders (will really reduce the amount of drug) ...
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on January 26, 2008, 10:50:52 pm
So, we got to an agreement? :)
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on January 27, 2008, 07:22:05 pm
Well this seem fair for both sides at my eyes but I never have been a drug dealer so it's hard to understand it, I try to do my best to give something to both sides that they can both enjoy without ruining the economy.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Paroxysm on January 31, 2008, 03:16:53 pm
Well this seem fair for both sides at my eyes but I never have been a drug dealer so it's hard to understand it, I try to do my best to give something to both sides that they can both enjoy without ruining the economy.
 

I am a drug dealer. I would find it very annoying if Cops could jail you for like 20g of Weed. I think there should be a legal limit, like 30g or something, more than that and your jailable. But only ARPD should have this command and Drugs should be stashable in Houses.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on February 01, 2008, 04:28:04 am
Read previous please, and i would also like to notify you that the IRL limit without jailing in most countries is between 0-3.3 grams
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Paroxysm on February 01, 2008, 06:24:45 am
Read previous please, and i would also like to notify you that the IRL limit without jailing in most countries is between 0-3.3 grams


Yeah I only read this page. And in Australia its legal to have 1 Pot (Weed) Plant in your garden. 2 is illegal.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: VMNT on February 01, 2008, 01:50:53 pm


Yeah I only read this page. And in Australia its legal to have 1 Pot (Weed) Plant in your garden. 2 is illegal.


How big can the plant be?


 :lol:
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: UberPwner on February 01, 2008, 01:54:53 pm
lol, didnt even know of such a law para


:P

*Now knows, for later "needs"
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on February 01, 2008, 02:05:59 pm
Read previous please, and i would also like to notify you that the IRL limit without jailing in most countries is between 0-3.3 grams
In the US I think it is 20 grams, and since SA is based on california, we should follow their laws.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Gimli on February 01, 2008, 02:49:10 pm
In the US I think it is 20 grams, and since SA is based on california, we should follow their laws.

It's not only based on California, Las Venturas is Las Vegas, Nevada.



-xcasio
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on February 01, 2008, 02:53:05 pm
It's not only based on California, Las Venturas is Las Vegas, Nevada.



-xcasio
Yes true
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Paroxysm on February 01, 2008, 04:52:16 pm
lol, didnt even know of such a law para


:P

*Now knows, for later "needs"


Yeah I learnt that in Health Class  :lol:
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Carhartt on February 01, 2008, 04:54:23 pm
Let's say no limit Aragorn, then let say someone have 10 000 or 1 million
Cops get a warrant
Seize at the same time 1 million drugs .... Can we jail for 1 million time 180 seconds ?  :p 
No, im kidding but seriously, let say it's unlimited, cops need a warrant with serious evidences, people can store but can be bodysearched and they can hide a small amount on themself so that they can keep drug dealing without cops abusing, wouldnt this be, in some way, nice for both ? So cops cant abuse but can see major drugs holders (will really reduce the amount of drug) ...
Sounds really good, seems to be a fair way.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: VMNT on February 02, 2008, 01:58:37 am
It's not only based on California, Las Venturas is Las Vegas, Nevada.



-xcasio


And the fairly obvious, SF being San Francisco.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on February 02, 2008, 05:01:48 pm
Legal drugs? no way...

I want you to try somthing, come to america with that 'legal amount' that you can supposedly have in Las Vegas - see if you will not get arrested.

"In the US I think it is 20 grams, and since SA is based on california, we should follow their laws." - its anything dude, go walk around with 1 gram and let a cop see it - thrown in jail :lol:
Like RON said, if it was legal, then all grandma's & children will have it everywhere
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Paroxysm on February 02, 2008, 05:16:56 pm
Legal drugs? no way...

I want you to try somthing, come to america with that 'legal amount' that you can supposedly have in Las Vegas - see if you will not get arrested.

"In the US I think it is 20 grams, and since SA is based on california, we should follow their laws." - its anything dude, go walk around with 1 gram and let a cop see it - thrown in jail :lol:
Like RON said, if it was legal, then all grandma's & children will have it everywhere

It based on

California
Las Vegas
San Fran

not just one, should we have 3 different rules for each state or just choose one of them?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on February 02, 2008, 05:17:36 pm
But you can have 20gr with prescition
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: SargentJosh on February 03, 2008, 04:48:12 am
I think there should be a /warrent <ID> [reason] command for searching and arrest, so it makes it more real life like.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Luca_Scalise on February 03, 2008, 05:09:29 am
Drugs are illegal in Argonath, San Andreas is State not a city. And we search all the suspects we arrest, its the procedure, but 90% of times they lie about drugs on them (I let them go, but i know they lie because i can see their inventory as admin). So i think the police needs a command to search for drugs and weapons on suspects only (and in a limited range obviously)
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Aragorn on February 03, 2008, 09:08:39 am
1. Cops will not search houses...
Do not make script complicated, make it simple...

* Cops cannot search houses
but
* Cops can search any on drugs presenting...

2. Why Complicated again - 20 gr or 1 mln? Found drugs - confiscation... We do not discuss arrests and jails, we do discuss can cops search players and can they confiscate the drugs...

What will cop do if in he gets a guy with million drugs?  :conf:

3. Why I suggested such script?

* It will stop advertisements as cops are allowed to suspect from the "Argonath advertisement"... Advertised drugs? get ready for cops...
* It will make less provokes against cops... Right now they try to deal drugs to cops and near LSPD just for being wanted... They should have something to afraid to do it...

 :ps: I also suggested to the scripters - once dead, all drugs that are with him - out... That is nonsence, if drug dealer is wanted, killed by cops and did not lose any gr...
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Specter on February 03, 2008, 09:24:42 am
Can we save them somewhere?
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: chris. on February 12, 2008, 01:22:58 am

And the fairly obvious, SF being San Francisco.

= San Francisco is in California XD
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on February 13, 2008, 01:08:31 am
Yeah u die, u lose ur drug, more realistic this way. And a search command so no one will come and cry : I was abused he had no evidence (/me only have 200 weed and 600k heroin but that doesn't matter, cops can't see it, so he had no evidence, abuse abuse !!  :cry:  :cry:) .. If we can stop this, why not !

Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Abraham on February 13, 2008, 03:00:00 am
Lets just give cops god powers already!
We all know it's going to happen, one of these days.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Kitsune on February 13, 2008, 05:21:54 am
:ps: I also suggested to the scripters - once dead, all drugs that are with him - out... That is nonsence, if drug dealer is wanted, killed by cops and did not lose any gr...
I think this is good idea, much more realistic.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Jaaskaa on February 15, 2008, 03:08:00 am
Lets just give cops god powers already!
We all know it's going to happen, one of these days.

If people didn't abused saying : No I dont have drug    when they had 100 of each, it wouldn't have come to this point.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: stuart on February 20, 2008, 04:03:44 pm
 i like it would be a good idea  :cool:
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Merc on February 20, 2008, 04:29:28 pm
If people didn't abused saying : No I dont have drug    when they had 100 of each, it wouldn't have come to this point.

Then everysingle Citizen would be arrested.. they all know they have some sort of Drug with them
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: Pandalink on February 20, 2008, 04:58:44 pm
Then everysingle Citizen would be arrested.. they all know they have some sort of Drug with them

QFT
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: PMP on February 20, 2008, 05:01:01 pm
Then everysingle Citizen would be arrested.. they all know they have some sort of Drug with them
yes, there are few citizens without drugs.
But think this way. Those citizens will be eager to sell their drugs, and some crazy guy will probably buy them at very low prices.
Title: Re: WTF? Cops can search you for drugs?
Post by: TravDawg on February 21, 2008, 11:37:10 am
I dont care about if ARPD gets such a command :) But then drug dealers like me :) Should have a command /dropweed and it automatic drops 20 gram.

Example:
¨
You are a drug dealer who sells weed maybe, more than 20 gram maximum, but we can make a new law if this idea gonna happend. Police can jail you if you got more than 20 gram weed, and take you to jail or what ever. BUT if you see police you should could do /dropweed and run for your life and the 20 gram weed is gone and they dont fine anything

this is an awesome idea...
u should do it :P
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