^ that's what i was talking about :rofl:6th gen skylake locked i3 , i5 even i7 are overclockable by BCLK on z170 motherboard.
Why a WD Green and why a 6400 when the 6500 has higher clock speeds and it costs just 20 euros more? Why are you putting a Z170 motherboard which could be used for OC when the processor isn't even a K variant? Where is the SSD? The real question here is if you are ready to waste cash or get something serious that is future proof enough.
Buying a lets say 120GB SSD just to boot OS is a good thing to do as it is a very big different from booting on a HDD.I got an SSD its a total mess you have to configure windows to install all apps on your other hdd, copy and keep everything there.
I got an SSD its a total mess you have to configure windows to install all apps on your other hdd, copy and keep everything there.
^ that's what i was talking about :rofl:Right on the 6400 over 6500 because in overclock it will hit same 4.6ghz mark on both no noticeable difference.
Why a WD Green and why a 6400 when the 6500 has higher clock speeds and it costs just 20 euros more? Why are you putting a Z170 motherboard which could be used for OC when the processor isn't even a K variant? Where is the SSD? The real question here is if you are ready to waste cash or get something serious that is future proof enough.
I did not have to do that when I recently put my new PC together.Windows -SSD
Lol, noone said that SSDs gives more FPS. It gives faster boot/loading times.Dude is tight on budget I'm making his every dollar worth it, maybe he doesn't play this game.
Take this as an exampel; Loading Siege of Shanghai in BF4 MP on a HDD takes around 4-5 minutes but on a SSD it takes less then 20 seconds, atleast on my Corsair Force-one. But if he really doesn't care, just go for like a 1TB WD Blue as they are cheap as fuck (atleast in Sweden).
6th gen skylake locked i3 , i5 even i7 are overclockable by BCLK on z170 motherboard.
SSD has low life span and does nothing special but load games like gta v 10 seconds faster and loads windows faster, it wont give you any performance gains
Before i even post I'm 100% sure of what I'm posting I have built 5 pc's myself and fully knowledgeable in PC's, go ahead and ask other question.
For example the pentium G4560(60$) I recommended in the end is better than i3-4170(110$)
Its the same 2 core , 4 threads, faster single core performance.
Right on the 6400 over 6500 because in overclock it will hit same 4.6ghz mark on both no noticeable difference.
However when I made the 7th gen build I choose the 7500 over 7400 I know what you mean.Windows -SSD
Apps like Photoshop, office and lets say you record stuffs -HDD.
I ran a command and edited regedit to make new apps install on HDD not SSD, apps tend to store cache and stuff and your SSD will be low on storage.
I would rather had a HDD for the sake of easines.
Althought SSD is nice but it doesn't give you even 1 fps more in games.
So its up to bruce if he would like to add SSD 40$ for 120gh or not.
But it won't give any fps more than normal HDD
its not a debate , let bruce decide.
and if you think you know everything , then create a part list to help him out :D
You're out of arguments.The focus is not winning an argument over you, its to help bruce, your current build is 8gb(2133mhz) ram are you aware mine is 16gb(2888mhz)+yours got less power supply 550w 80+ bronze vs 700w 80+ bronze + older i5 (i5-6500 vs i5-7500) and surprisingly more expensive than this build which I recommend Bruce more than yours
There is a reason i told him to look over other forums instead of here, i'm not expert nor pretend to be one, good try on derailing the topic.
Here is one of the builds i had in mind some time ago (i changed only the GPU which was a 970 before)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4LFfjc
It's 693,80 euros, keep in mind that i haven't included any SSD nor better CPU cooler however the PSU is semi-modular and it will help out with cable management more than a non modular one. Any cpu cooler will do better than the stock one. I heard good things about the Noctua NH-U12S or you can choose something cheaper. For the SSD i'd go for a 850 Evo or Crucial MX300, they're still good for standard usage and they will be faster than any HDD for sure.
I don't know if you got a keyboard, mouse and monitor already so i suggest adding more details, especially on what do you expect from it, a 1060 for example will easily let you play on anything on very high and ultra settings but if you're not after that even a 1050ti is good and cheaper. Once again, have a look on different tech forums for more suggestions, don't stick to one opinion, i could easily be giving you a configuration you may not need for your usage, that i don't know yet.
The focus is not winning an argument over you, its to help bruce, your current build is 8gb(2133mhz) ram are you aware mine is 16gb(2888mhz)+ less power supply 550w 80+ bronze vs 700w 80+ bronze + older i5 (i5-6500 vs i5-7500) and surprisingly more expensive than this build which I recommend Bruce more than yours
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hyDCvV
the single evga sc card still beats full sized bigger cards and can oc to 2ghz
Also whas your point with choosing crossfire motherboard when you are using nvidia which needs SLi, and 2x 1060 cant be SLIed nvidia removed this feature on this card.
Also whas your point with choosing crossfire motherboard when you are using nvidia which needs SLi, and 2x 1060 cant be SLIed nvidia removed this feature on this card.
5$ dollars cheaper than your kaby lake list wow bro what a huge differenceASRock B250M-HDV not Asrock B250M pro4 , you ain't lying to no one bro :jackson:
I didn't put stuff which is overkill and in my opinion unnecessary and also unknown to me, you don't need 700W for a 1060 jesus christ, have you checked the wattage of the components? 600-650W would be already more than needed. It's also 80+ bronze as yours, no difference. I also mentioned this is an old build which wasn't complete back then and never will. I'm not running a race.
(http://i.imgur.com/Lmq7JDO.png)
pretty stupid question considering you chose something that has it too.
Oh btw those RAMs won't give much benefit anyway:
ASRock B250M-HDV not Asrock B250M pro4 , you ain't lying to no one bro :jackson:
My bad, i didn't copy the full code, still no huge difference from mine except from a overpowered PSU and a CPU that performs pretty much as the previous generation. You're still trying to grasp at straws over an old PC build of mine when we still have no idea what is the power he needs. What if he wants to go for double AMD cards? :rofl: as i said, it all depends on him.What about 8gb vs 16gb ram and price/performance ?
ASRock B250M-HDV not Asrock B250M pro4 , you ain't lying to no one bro :jackson:
http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/
incomparable 2133mhz to 2800mhz, but if there is 1-5fps increase it matters for Mr Brucy budget
+ the 5% increase in cpu performance
What about 8gb vs 16gb ram and price/performance ?
some quick research brought me to thisim thinking about 6600k and 7600k, 220$ or 235$ :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=helriA4vGH4
I will be out of this until Bruce shows up. That's enough cancer pc masterrace for me today.
I would recommend waiting for the Ryzen 5 CPUs to come out. While even a ~$200 processor is problematic in a ~$600 build, there's good reasons to get one over an i5/i7, especially if you're into "bang for the buck" rather than top performance, which you probably are if you're building a PC in this range. As this guy says in the video, while Kaby Lake may be faster overall thanks to higher clock speeds/better architecture, the value for the money you'd get from, say, a 1500x over a 7700k, is pretty huge, specially when you take into account the cost of the MOBOs and coolers (Ryzen comes with a good one, for the unlocked Intels you need to buy one separately).Ryzen 3 4 core 4 threads kinda good to concider if its better than an i5 and costs around an i3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHbkFYBGgU
And yeah, ~450W is sufficient wattage in most cases, certainly for a CPU in this range which very likely won't have dual GPUs and other stuff.
I hate how it shares entire lists, but here you go -_-Saw your Helios list and it will be my basis for my build :D
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kylesforza/saved/#view=3XW8dC
Recommended upgrade : get a 550W PSU of same model instead of 450W.