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Title: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Hernandez on April 12, 2017, 10:41:26 pm
Every citizen has the constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. However, the police don't always need a warrant. In fact, under the stop and frisk exception, the police can stop you on the street and put you down for anything illegal or Reasonable suspicion which is defined by a set of factual circumstances that would lead a reasonable police officer to believe criminal activity is occurring. ( Such as Drug dealing )

I would suggest adding a /frisk command which will scan every illegal substances the civilian has. This command will help Law enforcers to confirm if the civilian was drug dealing/trafficking or not. It will increase Roleplaying. It will encourage individuels to use the storing function at houses as it will help them in not getting cought.

After applying the /frisk command at the citizen, It will automatically detect anything illegal from his inventory and report it to the cop.

This is a simple idea that I'd like to hear your opinions on it.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: James Conway on April 12, 2017, 10:59:34 pm
Since you can store your weed and weapons this could a be a nice command if executed correctly. A civilian has to have an /acceptfrisk or something similair to prevent abuse and police needs to have a valid reason to frisk. It all depends if you want to keep the imaginary roleplay frisks or the real thing.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Mihail Junkovich on April 12, 2017, 11:12:46 pm
I've lost approx. 2 kilos of cannabis to /dice frisk, deal with it. :lol:
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Hernandez on April 12, 2017, 11:20:26 pm
Since you can store your weed and weapons this could a be a nice command if executed correctly. A civilian has to have an /acceptfrisk or something similair to prevent abuse and police needs to have a valid reason to frisk. It all depends if you want to keep the imaginary roleplay frisks or the real thing.
Waiting for authorization from the other side could be abused as well because civilians will refuse to give up on getting frisked at the most times. In this case a small rule should be applied : a law enforcer is allowed to frisk only when there is reasonable suspicion. For exemple, Noticing someone next to some weed spot is kinda suspecious.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Nadim Jones on April 12, 2017, 11:49:34 pm
A civilian has to have an /acceptfrisk or something similair to prevent abuse and police needs to have a valid reason to frisk. It all depends if you want to keep the imaginary roleplay frisks or the real thing.
true what you said, i would support id there is /acceptfrisk
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: ahmedXD on April 13, 2017, 12:00:30 am
Increases RP, but a simple /em do you have illegal substances ?, is enough for communication and search.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Nadim Jones on April 13, 2017, 12:10:22 am
Increases RP, but a simple /em do you have illegal substances ?, is enough for communication and search.
And the Common answer /em i dont have any illigal staff,
and if we go back and check in the criminal /invent, we will find shot guns, m4 ak-47 also 2kg cannbis.....
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: ahmedXD on April 13, 2017, 12:18:35 am
And the Common answer /em i dont have any illigal staff,
and if we go back and check in the criminal /invent, we will find shot guns, m4 ak-47 also 2kg cannbis.....
I thought we are one step ahead of samp when it comes to RP, the job is to keep the city safe not to fancy about new commands and experiment them on other people and increase cops playtime when it comes to chase suspects( we are 32 players only at a time, each drug dealer can easily be spotted, so officers will abuse this and take advantage of it to chase drug dealers and justify it as it was unintentional and /frisk was used ).

We are light RP afterall.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Nadim Jones on April 13, 2017, 12:38:46 am
Yea i understand u, so if ask in /em do i find illigal staff, Mr criminal wil answer that he have ?, honestly, this never happned with me, dont expect from a criminal to tell you /em yes ull find a gun and little bag of cannabis..
so /frisk maybe for only high ranked or something, in that way the criminal will be aware of the danger, and he will not hang out with illigal staffs.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Kowalski. on April 13, 2017, 04:58:15 am
Supported but it can be abused. If a freecop finds a gun on someone, they might suspect them for "Illegal gun trafficking" or something. I think guns should be excluded from this. Some guns, such as military-grade weapons that the LCPD have banned, should come up as illegal. If ABUSE can be prevented, I have to say, I Support it  :D
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: about10pandas on April 13, 2017, 05:19:24 am
Cops are going to be the next super power!
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Norrage on April 13, 2017, 07:39:23 am
In all the time I have been frisking civilians, even after visiting the drug spot, they always have nothing illigal! Wowdyhow!

However to be real this can be classified as powergaming and will not get implemented, how much I crave for it.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Hernandez on April 13, 2017, 08:55:18 am
Well ! I agree with the abusing fact. But let's be honest, many things in the server can be abused daily by every player. Means if we will deny each suggestion that will increase roleplay-ing there won't be an Argonath Roleplay server anymore. We should always give more attention to the people who are willing to roleplay. At least that's what i think and each one has his own opinion.

As Mickey said, Making the command available for high ranked cops only will decrease abuses. Only High ranked law enforcers who understand the rules and are not willing to abuse anything, will have the right to use such command.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Kowalski. on April 13, 2017, 09:22:18 am
Well ! I agree with the abusing fact. But let's be honest, many things in the server can be abused daily by every player. Means if we will deny each suggestion that will increase roleplay-ing there won't be an Argonath Roleplay server anymore. We should always give more attention to the people who are willing to roleplay. At least that's what i think and each one has his own opinion.

As Mickey said, Making the command available for high ranked cops only will decrease abuses. Only High ranked law enforcers who understand the rules and are not willing to abuse anything, will have the right to use such command.
You are so right. I think that freecops should use it too, so they don't feel left out, but only the army grade weapons banned by LCPD should come up as illegal, and weed/cannabis. However, if freecop abuses it, it should be a valid /report
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Hernandez on April 13, 2017, 09:30:07 am
I think that freecops should use it too.
I am not with giving the opportunity to free cops to use this command. they will massively abuse it. Even the administration will get a huge amount of reports daily about abusing /frisk. And that's what we don't like to see in our server. Leaving those commands for their own users is basically important. In this case, Criminals will be aware from who to be carefull and to not play around with High ranks.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Kowalski. on April 13, 2017, 09:44:44 am
I am not with giving the opportunity to free cops to use this command. they will massively abuse it. Even the administration will get a huge amount of reports daily about abusing /frisk. And that's what we don't like to see in our server. Leaving those commands for their own users is basically important. In this case, Criminals will be aware from who to be carefull and to not play around with High ranks.
You know what, I think you are right. I think LCPD Cadets+ should use it only.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Matt on April 13, 2017, 10:39:26 am
I've lost approx. 2 kilos of cannabis to /dice frisk, deal with it. :lol:
This is better than adding scripts
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Younes on April 13, 2017, 12:03:20 pm
Increases RP, but a simple /em do you have illegal substances ?, is enough for communication and search.

If you frisk someone who harvested drugs in front of you, he will say he does not have anything. No thanks, we have the winning mentality in the server which prevents roleplay to go correctly.

If this commands gets added, and executed properly, it will be a very nice addition. Otherwise, we might need administrators to help on that..
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Nadim Jones on April 13, 2017, 12:07:05 pm
If you frisk someone who harvested drugs in front of you, he will say he does not have anything. No thanks, we have the winning mentality in the server which prevents roleplay to go correctly.

If this commands gets added, and executed properly, it will be a very nice addition. Otherwise, we might need administrators to help on that..
:app: , True Younes. Thats why, this command can be used by experienced players, to not be abused or something
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Younes on April 13, 2017, 12:25:57 pm
I've lost approx. 2 kilos of cannabis to /dice frisk, deal with it. :lol:

That is a very nice idea, and I wish everyone would use it..

Giving access to Cadets+ wouldn't be that realistic either.. freecops also deserve that, not all of them are bad, I can say that some of them needs to improve their usage of such commands, and with our guidance, they will do great..

What I suggest instead, is adding this command not only for cops, but for normal civilians with certain level of  respect, who would like to rob someone. They can rob someone but definitely wouldn't show the amount of money he has, and maybe only some of his expensive stuff, such as the weed. This way, everyone would get the opportunity to use this command on roleplay situations, and roleplay would actually increase, and we might get rid of the freeroam in server ;)
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Steven S. on April 13, 2017, 12:45:19 pm
Supported, if there's any abuse you can report it like all the commands existing in the server.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: William Carter on April 13, 2017, 01:32:07 pm
Supported, if there's any abuse you can report it like all the commands existing in the server.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Hernandez on April 13, 2017, 03:11:03 pm
Supported, if there's any abuse you can report it like all the commands existing in the server.
Thank you Steven. That's what I also tried to explain in the recent replies.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Viper110k on April 13, 2017, 06:55:50 pm
Supported.  :janek:
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: skillz on April 17, 2017, 03:36:00 am
I Support, based on only Higher ranks (Officer+) Using this command and appropriately used in that particular circumstance and if the player accepts the frisk Roleplay.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Kowalski. on April 17, 2017, 04:31:43 am
That is a very nice idea, and I wish everyone would use it..

Giving access to Cadets+ wouldn't be that realistic either.. freecops also deserve that, not all of them are bad, I can say that some of them needs to improve their usage of such commands, and with our guidance, they will do great..

What I suggest instead, is adding this command not only for cops, but for normal civilians with certain level of  respect, who would like to rob someone. They can rob someone but definitely wouldn't show the amount of money he has, and maybe only some of his expensive stuff, such as the weed. This way, everyone would get the opportunity to use this command on roleplay situations, and roleplay would actually increase, and we might get rid of the freeroam in server ;)
That would be fun, I was slightly unsure about whether Cadets+ should be the only ones, I think that the freecops should recieve guidance,  as well as be able to use the /frisk command
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: ahmedXD on April 17, 2017, 06:42:02 am
Yes sure make the server more cops vs criminals.
Next we should make criminals a command also to statisfy both parties :app:
Unbelieveable  :kilt:
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Norrage on April 17, 2017, 12:02:04 pm
Yes sure make the server more cops vs criminals.
Next we should make criminals a command also to statisfy both parties :app:
Unbelieveable  :kilt:

Bring in suggestions like everyone is doing then.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: about10pandas on May 02, 2017, 04:43:03 pm
/acceptfrisk? Hell yeah I'll be doing /denyfrisk all the time if I have something illegal, can't stop laughing lol,  Unsupported
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Vitorrio on May 02, 2017, 05:42:05 pm
/acceptfrisk? Hell yeah I'll be doing /denyfrisk all the time if I have something illegal, can't stop laughing lol,  Unsupported
Well, resisting is part of a roleplay. But, it should be roleplayed, as well ;)
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Norrage on May 02, 2017, 06:09:40 pm
/acceptfrisk? Hell yeah I'll be doing /denyfrisk all the time if I have something illegal, can't stop laughing lol,  Unsupported

Fun part: best roleplay mentality in the community, gotta have that as my signature.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: gabrielkiriac on May 03, 2017, 06:10:47 am
think the fact that those who opposed this suggestion magically are the same people carrying 300 rounds of whatever, rpgs, tons of weed and when stopped by the police go like u high m8??? shows something about the rp level which is less then "light rp", as someone stated earlier
such command wouldn't be needed if you tried to have at least a "light rp"
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: about10pandas on May 03, 2017, 06:56:43 am
No force RP, someone might not want to start RP with /frisk and then they won't have a choice but to /acceptfrisk which is also a force.
Title: Re: [IV:MP] /frisk
Post by: Hernandez on May 12, 2017, 08:34:33 pm
We may implement this suggestion for all players not only cops, Atleast to make everyone satisfied. So everyone will be able to /frisk others as long as they /acceptfrisk.
Player A should be able to frisk search Player B if they agree to it. If Player B accepts the search, Player A is able to then see what weapons they carry (ammo not necessary) as well as all other stuff in their inventory such as seeds etc. Don't limit frisking only to cops in case one mafioso wants to frisk another in case of a meeting or something.
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