Argonath RPG - A World of its own

GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Fatboy_Rob on January 26, 2008, 08:52:56 am

Title: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 26, 2008, 08:52:56 am: Screw it. Aragorn seems to be the only one who doesn't like it. Since it's his community, his way.
And since he doesn't like, that I try to show players a good way to RP, I removed it.

Looks like I got another "Fuck you" from Argonath again. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: The_Wolf on January 26, 2008, 08:59:49 am: Very good Hayden,i seen this and its very good,nice that you came up with such an idea :)
That will be helpful for everybody (i learned some things though :rofl: ) Good keep it up :)
-TheLegend
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 26, 2008, 09:20:42 am: Thanks hyper.

Please guys, Sticky this topic, its some very quality work, it took me 4 hours to type this all :(
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: The_Wolf on January 26, 2008, 10:00:57 am: Thanks HYPER ?! Man im not hyper :rofl: :rofl: anyways,yeah it should be sticky topic
-TheLegend
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Jserg on January 26, 2008, 10:29:14 am: Yea i think it would me Sticky.....This topic will help many players to RP better ;)
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Post by: Alsatian on January 26, 2008, 10:52:34 am: thanks for the guide hayden, i hope it helps people ;)
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Post by: punkemo on January 26, 2008, 12:22:14 pm: Great idea Hayden, hopefully Roel reads this!!

I learnt some syuff whilst reading this!!
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Post by: r00t on January 26, 2008, 02:00:55 pm: Best RP guide I've ever seen ;)
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 26, 2008, 05:05:00 pm: Thanks guys
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: John_Vaughan on January 26, 2008, 06:23:37 pm: Great RP Guide, Hayden, It helped me a lot, and hope it helps others :D
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Post by: Brains on January 26, 2008, 09:23:15 pm: Yes, this is very helpful ;)
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Post by: tiderman on January 26, 2008, 09:36:44 pm: Very good man :D excellent guide
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Post by: Poncho on January 26, 2008, 11:11:27 pm: That is a great guide

Just reading the "powergaming" bit reminded me of Religue_Solonik:

Quote from: Religue_Solonik using /me ingame
Religue_Solonik puts his cuffs over officers head and chokes him to death
Religue_Solonik breaks out of cuffs and gets out of police car
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 27, 2008, 12:32:21 am: Yea it sucks that people dont learn and want to have 1/2 ass RP :(
But, try your best and you will be fine.

:ps: Thanks guys with the support
I talked to gandalf, but i dont think he looked at it :(
He said he might
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on February 01, 2008, 08:36:54 pm: Once again, if anyone needs some explanation on a certain aspect of roleplaying, PM me and ill look into that, and if i find an answer - ill post on the guide
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Omri on February 01, 2008, 10:17:41 pm: Hayden thanks for this guide i think its gonna help many new players getting started :) Could be nice if you can put some more stuff but for now i stickied it :)
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on February 01, 2008, 11:13:33 pm: Quote from: Omri on February 01, 2008, 10:17:41 pm
Hayden thanks for this guide i think its gonna help many new players getting started :) Could be nice if you can put some more stuff but for now i stickied it :)
ong thank you thank you thanks! :D

Yes, i will add things to it soon
maybe small, or large, but ill post things
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Wael90 on February 02, 2008, 01:22:39 am: Now that's a perfect guide THANK YOU Hayden +1 =]

P.S. I will save that guide into my PC Thank you again.

[ALS]Wael90 - Your faithful driver :)
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: PMP on February 02, 2008, 08:52:23 pm: At least they made it sticky :)
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on February 18, 2008, 11:36:33 am: Read up people :D
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Tovenaarke on February 18, 2008, 11:43:23 am: Read en check!

(great one Hayden!, Thx!)

Greetz
- Tovenaarke
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Mac_Gyver on March 14, 2008, 09:51:38 pm: Great guide! :D I've already learned some useful things :cop:. But as you see, while I was a taxi driver for a short period I was over abused with these rules, some cops used it to get more money when there are no suspects at all... :poke: :hit: :mad:
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Post by: Lee Taiki on March 29, 2008, 08:42:23 am: Heh... Realy helpful indead.. :hurray:
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Post by: LittleGamer on April 12, 2008, 10:54:06 pm: Awesome Thread
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Post by: MrsSvensson on April 13, 2008, 12:34:07 pm: I just read it all. Very good Hayden

-MrsSvensson :m4:
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: [GTC]Lykos on April 29, 2008, 12:05:04 am: Outstanding job...
Now I feel the knowledge flowing into me... The POWER!!! AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAH
- sound of shooting in the night. It's Hayden -
Sorry I won't do it again... I'll be calm
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on May 05, 2008, 02:41:57 am: I'm glad people read this and hopefully used it.
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on May 10, 2008, 07:09:47 am: People, PLEASE Read this! PLEASE

*** What makes a good roleplayer? Quite simply is allow the other player an out. That's a HUGE thing. Let's say there is a shootout about to happen. One player draws his gun by using /me pulls out a gun. Victim then pulls out his gun using the same method and tells the other player to drop the gun. At this point, player one has two options: Comply or shoot. I can almost guaran-damn-tee player one will say "Screw you" (to give player two a chance to react) and shoot, but there are a few cases where they'd comply and say "Ok! Ok! I give up" and drop the gun. Once both players have drawn their weapons and given each other outs, anything can proceed there after. You can shoot, you can run, you can drop your weapon, whatever the hell you want to do. That is an excellent role-play situation if those rules are followed.

Of course, there are many different role play situations such as rape, drug dealing, etc. Just always allow the player an out that way everyone has a chance to react.

Another huge thing is, let's say someone REALLY wants a car that another player is driving (This being aimed at chickens, of course). Obviously the driver is going to have a HUGE advantage over the player trying to jack the vehicle since he's operating the gas pedal. The jacker pulls out his gun and points it at the driver after getting him to stop. This is almost always going to be a one-sided situation. The driver either has the option to give up the vehicle or drive away.

Let's say the driver gives up the vehicle. The shooter either has the option to go ahead and leave or he can shoot up the driver to protect himself. The outcome is determined by the shooter and driver interacting with one another. Remember to give each other an out, UNLESS the shooter immediately drives off. The driver can either shoot the vehicle up, report him to the police or just leave the area in shock.

Let's say the driver doesn't give up the vehicle and takes off. This one is simple, the shooter can shoot the car up or not for not complying. Simple.

ESPECIALLY THIS ONE!
*** Why are the officer such assholes? Speaking as an officer, probably because you're not complying or you are wanted for a crime. If you get pulled over for speeding, just pull over. We have no reason to run your license if you comply. You can get off with a nominal ticket if you just do what they say. Don't haggle us, we won't haggle you.
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on May 10, 2008, 03:07:18 pm: Quote from: Fatboy_Rob on January 26, 2008, 08:52:56 am
.:: Filtering OOC chats with IC chats ::.

In Character
This is how it would look
/l Hello Gandalf, how are you today?
[TCL]Hayden: Hello Gandalf, How are you today?

Out Of Character chat
/l (( Hello Gandalf, how are you today? ))
[TCL]Hayden: (( Hello Gandalf, how are you today? ))

About the double brackets... I know it means OOC but it's not the only standard here.
I use two slashes at the beggining ( // means a comment ). I also saw adding ooc: infront.

So, to all roleplay-begginers - not only (( )) means Out-of-character.
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on June 20, 2008, 11:33:22 pm: Bump Up My Post

Read up friends and let your mind fall into Roleplaying Bliss
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Chris5170 on June 25, 2008, 02:36:31 am: FFs an admin abused me cuz he had powergame'd and i didn't do what he said '/me kicks roman out of the car' and then he kicked me for non RP -.-

I think this should be pushed more, i mean if an admin doesn't know this it could cause major abuse. :poke:
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Aragorn on July 10, 2008, 08:51:06 am: I wonder why on one simple "respect each other" people need such topics with some thought over in their minds words and game options? Power gaming, meta gaming... All is BS... Respect each other and will not have any f**king problem...

Experience shows such RP servers with zomg prisoned laws have problems between players as well... And we have problems between players cos more and more community started making its own laws like Hayden - one of those who wants players to breath on server by command and move left-right by command... Once Argonath community started making its own law on every f**king step - started more moaners, problems between each other even veterans and regulars...

Some of you remember player Tuntis... And his "roleplay"... I was taking part once in his roleplay - I slept cos was bored... 30 minutes /me with the bomb in the hotel... /me sniffs /me feels /me looks /me checks /me founds /me going /me drives /me drinks /me this /me that

And you think this is roleplay we want on Argonath? Or using /me will make you zomg roleplayer?

with all this power gaming, meta gaming, in character flame, out character flame, etc.... You make the game being a shit... Because you want a respect of each other (multiplayer) to be scripted in this freaking words...

You cannot script respect... You can just understand the position of other player or not... If not - you know where is exit...

To all roleplayers beginners - forget about this (()) so called OOC or IC chat... You have local chat /l which is for roleplay and public chat /p or just type - for any kind of contact... You have phones, SMSs, radio on server, you have TeamSpeak as well... So if you do not use this freaky (()) in your talk on server - no problems and you are not forced to be a parrot to repeat everything other servers invent cos there is boredom... We have our own policy and world...

To those who tried to implement this on server - I will start take actions against such players... Can not roleplay - do not teach others to be a f**king bots or clowns...
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Chill on July 10, 2008, 09:21:07 am: I think this guide was awsome, and I sadly not agree with Aragorn. By doing all those /me commands I think rise the RP to another level. Metagaming and powergaming is two things you should think about, but not put in as rules, and this just to make everyone "happier" for the RP. Hayden making laws by the way? He writes down a roleplay guide from (probably, hopefully) his own experience. He wants to share his experience and I see nothing bad with that.
His way to RP is just a way to do it, and not written laws you have to follow. It's not like he's trying to force us to do anything, but trying to make us even better. This way of Roleplaying I think is just brilliant, while others might think it's not. (Though I have to agree on that I don't use (( )) that much anymore).

Now, about flaming IC and OOC, it's not allowed in any way so it shouldn't even be discussed. And as Aragorn here says, "Experience shows such RP servers with zomg prisoned laws have problems between players as well". You might think that there's even more Moaners these day, but I don't think you've seen the lately new effect of this kind of RP - I actually see more and more and better and better RPers. Also, this is still not any made rules,

It's a tool to make better RP. Aragorn might get a bit sleepy with this kind of RP but I still really think it's a very good way to RP and I know others think so too.
I think people understands this wrong, it's nothing you try to implant in the server, he tells us a way to RP, now I feel like I'm just repeating myself, but that's as said the truth. If people start moaning about things like this, then we just see that they are dumb enough to think they're rules. Just ignore people like this and everything will be better. And I remember everything wasn't godlike in 2007 either. I remember LCV and NitrOxs all gangs against Corleone, and fights about this all the time, it was other types of fighting, it was flaming and DMing, now it's moaners and whiners.

What's best? Who knows?

Cheers,
Chill
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Aragorn on July 10, 2008, 09:29:31 am: Well if you visit server only for blah blah /me roleplaying probably is the best for you...
But we supposed server where people driving cars, racing, chasing, shooting, stunting... And sitting all your life on server /me /me /me /me/ mem/e/me/m/em/e/me/m/em/ would be the poorest RP I will ever see...
Do not overtake and everything will be ok...

As about laws - yes - Hayden is trying to set laws - this or that way - he is not stopping, making topics one by one, forcing people think he is right, pressing on their minds "if you do not use OOC or IC you are a poor roleplayer"...

This is why I said - if I will see people start use it to turn server into forgotten legend of roleplaying - I will take action to all those who forced peoples minds that without OOC or IC they are bad roleplayers... and if it will take place on server a lot - I will disallow even OOC and IC... And everyone who will start using it - will have tempbans on one day...

I do not want a shit on servers - and I saw already a lot with this OOC IC flame or not flame, poor RP, metagaming bastard etc... That is why I warned...

And BTW whyt the fuck this topic is sticky?
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Chill on July 10, 2008, 10:08:26 am: Quote from: Aragorn on July 10, 2008, 09:29:31 am
Well if you visit server only for blah blah /me roleplaying probably is the best for you...
But we supposed server where people driving cars, racing, chasing, shooting, stunting... And sitting all your life on server /me /me /me /me/ mem/e/me/m/em/e/me/m/em/ would be the poorest RP I will ever see...
Do not overtake and everything will be ok...

As about laws - yes - Hayden is trying to set laws - this or that way - he is not stopping, making topics one by one, forcing people think he is right, pressing on their minds "if you do not use OOC or IC you are a poor roleplayer"...

This is why I said - if I will see people start use it to turn server into forgotten legend of roleplaying - I will take action to all those who forced peoples minds that without OOC or IC they are bad roleplayers... and if it will take place on server a lot - I will disallow even OOC and IC... And everyone who will start using it - will have tempbans on one day...

I do not want a shit on servers - and I saw already a lot with this OOC IC flame or not flame, poor RP, metagaming bastard etc... That is why I warned...

And BTW whyt the f**k this topic is sticky?

You might see this from the wrong angle. He is still only giving us tools and nice and good ways of roleplaying. He never says "If you don't use OOC or IC you seriously suck", or any kind of proof that we all are poor if we don't use OOC and IC. I think Hayden is doing topics one by one just to give people knowledge about new ways to RP.

And you first few sentances there, what do you really mean? If I connect to the server just for "blah blah" then probably /me is the best for me? I don't understand. I do come to the server just to RP and have fun, if I understand it correct you say that the server is for driving cars, chasing, shooting and stunting. And not to do... /me. And anyways, we ain't talking about /me commands, we're talking about Haydens tools for great RPing.

So if a few people actually likes OOC and IC way to RP, you'll have to ban those people too? Just because you might not like that way to RP doesn't always means that others does. And I've never seen anyone forcing people to use OOC and IC, I personally doesn't use this too much, and I still work great. But it's a great RP tool as I've said many times before, and I think the server will remain as it is now.
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Post by: Aragorn on July 10, 2008, 10:18:55 am: He is giving "tools" against Argonath Developers vision and opinion on roleplay...
That's it...
And its not the first time he sets such topics... Once topic closed/denied, he makes new...

I will not allow here policy that goes against developers vision on GTA roleplay...

/ me is good for those who come on server and use it as virtual chat - this is what I mean...
Half of actions you can "translate" by simple game actions (hiding, crying, whistling, taking phone), so no use to overtake with /me command on every move you do... It makes roleplay boring...
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Emilio_Barzini on July 10, 2008, 11:41:12 am: I believe that some people are over using /me like when someone go to the drinking machine and do /me puts in a coin etc... why do you use /me on a Action that your character is already doing and we can see it ?
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Freedom on July 10, 2008, 11:59:08 am: Quote from: Emilio_Barzini on July 10, 2008, 11:41:12 am
I believe that some people are over using /me like when someone go to the drinking machine and do /me puts in a coin etc... why do you use /me on a Action that your character is already doing and we can see it ?

The coin action Isn't synced. The other person just stands in front of it and gains HP ( If not full ). We can NOT see the animation :)
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on July 10, 2008, 12:33:37 pm: Thanks Chill, you see exactly why I did this, to share with others, and to show others a great guide to RP.

Ron, show me where I demanded to make laws, this & that. I've made topics, as a "Headsup" to certain things, I never said "Add this rule now."
And, Ron, you are the reason I've given up even helping new players ingame, and even doing helpful things with the forums...

Your posts above is a prime example...

This is similar to a battlefield 2 server I play on, it's infantry only (Meaning, no vehicles, just foot soldier)
And, you have the MEC team and USA team who always run up to eachother between the Hotel Flag and the right American Spawn. All they would do is throw grenades, die, respawn, repeat.

Then you had two squads who didnt jsut run, nade, die - They actually went to get flags, and win, rather than go try and get the most kills.
What did the MEC team do? Complain and moan on why they lost, and calling Americans 'pussy' for not fighting.

what I'm trying to say is - Alot of people do the //-ooc:-(( )) thing, because we like to, and it's what we prefer.
You will ban us all, for roleplaying a decent way? (Oh wait... you did that to me already.)
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Post by: Aragorn on July 10, 2008, 12:57:01 pm: Yes Hayden I will ban those who are trying from simple roleplay make a prisoned-type roleplay and shit our portal with useless roleplay gaming flood...
You like OOC - you could use it but not making numerous topics and even calling it "Roleplay Guide"...
Its a not roleplay GUIDE of Argonath, its a GUIDE "What Hayden likes" to make all roleplayers look like from incubator (Russians will understand what I mean)...

You like OOC and IC - change server... I will not allow Argonath to fall down more and more with all your freaky so-called" roleplay" options... Keep your guides for incubatory Godfathers servers... Go there and use O-O C and In C and under C and of the C and as you wanna C...

Once again for all: Do not like Argonath style - leave our servers or play by Argonath rules... Do not even f**king try to set your own... There is NO any OOC and IC chats styles on Argonath... We have OUR OWN chat system... Keep to it, otherwise any attempt "aw you are a poor RP you do not know what is OOC" will be considered as flame in purpose and flamer will be banned...

:ps: And yes you were already banned before and lost admins rights for the same... And not for "roleplay in decent way" as you think... But for forcing own rules and laws to Argonath, ignoring policy of Argonath developers and demanding roleplay revolutions against Argonath developers, imposting Argonath laws by setting sticky RP "Guides" which you took from godfather-style servers, which are famous only for such "Roleplay features" like two names, OOC IC, etc.

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And, Ron, you are the reason I've given up even helping new players ingame, and even doing helpful things with the forums...

If you will teach the new player to this metagaming,powergaming,OOC and IC - good that you gave up in teaching, I would ban you even for such teaching... And actually i do not see what you did for forums here... Can you give me links of some example of work? Only please without those topics about "Lets make new rule!" or "Guys I brought a new style for chat in roleplay!"...
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Freedom on July 10, 2008, 01:56:06 pm: 1 simple question: Why are you fighting??? :hit:
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Post by: CM Daniel on July 10, 2008, 08:40:11 pm: Sorry for saying this, but you guys are really wasting your energy.

Just play the game and have fun, or don't play it at all. In the end it just comes down to only that sentence...
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: ChaNce on July 10, 2008, 09:08:38 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on July 10, 2008, 12:57:01 pm
Yes Hayden I will ban those who are trying from simple roleplay make a prisoned-type roleplay and shit our portal with useless roleplay gaming flood...
You like OOC - you could use it but not making numerous topics and even calling it "Roleplay Guide"...
Its a not roleplay GUIDE of Argonath, its a GUIDE "What Hayden likes" to make all roleplayers look like from incubator (Russians will understand what I mean)...

You like OOC and IC - change server... I will not allow Argonath to fall down more and more with all your freaky so-called" roleplay" options... Keep your guides for incubatory Godfathers servers... Go there and use O-O C and In C and under C and of the C and as you wanna C...

Once again for all: Do not like Argonath style - leave our servers or play by Argonath rules... Do not even f**king try to set your own... There is NO any OOC and IC chats styles on Argonath... We have OUR OWN chat system... Keep to it, otherwise any attempt "aw you are a poor RP you do not know what is OOC" will be considered as flame in purpose and flamer will be banned...

:ps: And yes you were already banned before and lost admins rights for the same... And not for "roleplay in decent way" as you think... But for forcing own rules and laws to Argonath, ignoring policy of Argonath developers and demanding roleplay revolutions against Argonath developers, imposting Argonath laws by setting sticky RP "Guides" which you took from godfather-style servers, which are famous only for such "Roleplay features" like two names, OOC IC, etc.

If you will teach the new player to this metagaming,powergaming,OOC and IC - good that you gave up in teaching, I would ban you even for such teaching... And actually i do not see what you did for forums here... Can you give me links of some example of work? Only please without those topics about "Lets make new rule!" or "Guys I brought a new style for chat in roleplay!"...

I simply can not agree what you are saying.

I mean, Argonath is getting out of control. YOu need more strict rules man.
Thats totally senseless: You walk down the street your name is f.e Hayden_Mendez

A guy that u dont know, and he doesnt know you call you: HEY HAYDEN U A SO CUL I LUV U....... <---I mean..this is totally metagaming and non-rp:

1. From where he knows ur name?
2. WTF are u talking like?

Ron, be tolerant and accept one of those things.
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Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2008, 08:29:39 am: That is what you are doing - ruining argonath... Demanding more rules, making strict roleplay, brought shitty OOC and IC logs that actually have no use and besides it shit the chat ...
Yes, I am against... Yes you made Argonath a shitty place cos you all are fucking moaning, forgettin how you played before, forgetting, how people reacted on you... Now you wanna everything scripted... Even respect to each other wanna make scripted...

This is metagamin, that is powergamin.... No fucking shit... This is simple disrespect to other's gaming...

Hayden and his friends looks like specially come to ruin Argonath... And looking at their actions on forums I already do believe they wanna turn Argonath in another shitty incubator server...

I said several times - NO *add word here* WAY!

Since this "RPG features" started Argonath lost a lot of its own... Yes you are right... But Argonath lost because of your this shit... You made yourselves think that double nicks are RPG feature and non double nicks - no... You made yourselves think that ((OOC)) and ((IC)) are roleplay feature and if servers do not use this shit - they are bad in roleplay... You made yourselves think that changenick is a roleplay feature, when it was created for clans members and tags... Yeah, fuckin created, cos fucking changenick is made by Argonath RPG and fuckin has no fucking analogs on other fuckin servers and fucking supposed to be fucking best solution for fucking players who change fucking clans ...

And what you did? Announced fucking changenick - the roleplay feature, fucking broke even fucking registration rules in internet...

Yeah I am pissed off... Cos people who have no idea what is Roleplay dictate on OUR forums their own laws and guides...
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Saint on July 11, 2008, 08:34:46 am: Aragorn, i almost agree with you.
Things like respect cannot be scripted, yoy shouldnt do /me on anything, stuff like smokin weed,or shooting, can be used with /me, but stuff like /me picks the car lock, is just stupid.
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Chill on July 11, 2008, 09:00:06 am: Well to be honest I haven't seen anyone who've been thinking this guide is bad yet, except for Aragorn. Just search through the pages, and you'll see how it is. People ain't moaning more these days either, I'm pretty damn sure people did before too.
The brains memory have always been memoring good memorys from the old times, non bad. I'm sure there was alot moaners back then, and It'll always be those. What have happend lately is that people know more about the rules and use them to their own sake. If anyone do one single mistake people moan about it and starts fights which is hour long. Meta Gaming, Power Gaming, Is both two very good "words" to keep in mind, whenever a roleplay situation.

People uses those 2 "words" like they are rules, but they ain't. It's just two very good "think about"- imaginary rules. OOC and IC.. Is two tools I really stand behind, I've actually stopped a few things I want to start because as soon as I RP the way I like to I get banned. I find this unacceptable and it's sad really. Argonath... Ain't it the free world where you don't have much rules? RP how you want, do what you want?

OOC and IC might be destroying devs vision but you'll have to understand that we'll always grow and OOC and IC might just be the new revolution of argonath? I'm also pretty sure Hayden ain't doing this to destroy argonath. You don't do 1 meter long topic just to make devs pissed. I've said it, and I'm saying it again, he did this to share his experiences and I see nothing wrong in that.

I'm sorry Aragorn, but what do you really hate with OOC and IC? It's not rules, it's a tool to RP. I do understand Meta and Power - gaming though. They are both rules on many other servers and I can see why they won't me inserted. I can really agree on that this would make this server even more whiny that it have ever been. You asked for what OOC and IC is;

Me and Hayden is having a pull over situation. He have have reason to believe that I have drugs on me.

- /l Face the wall and hands in the air!
- /l Aye aye calm down man!
- /me Searches Chill for drugs.
-/me Finds drugs.

What you can't do here is /me finds drugs, as you can't know that, if you do that then it's totally unfair to me, as I might not have drugs on me. This is what people call powergaming or metagaming or whatever, not sure. But if he would have done /me Finds drugs there, then it would ruin the situation. We've had ALOT discussions about this and OOC really solves this. So what is really OOC good for?

- /l Face the wall and hands in the air!
- /l Aye aye calm down maaan!
- /me Searches Chill for drugs.
- /l (( Do you have drugs on you? ))
- /l (( Yup ))
- /me Finds drugs.
- /l Hey hey hey what do we got here...
- /me Tries to run but fails.
Etc etc etc

This usually makes the situation better than it would if he did /me Finds drugs. I'm sure he would be even more whiny if he did this.
So after all, the OOC and IC is a great RP tool to make the RP funnier. In my opinion, the good parts takes out the bad parts, as without this, there have been even more moaning. I'm sure about that. :)

Cheers,
Chill.
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2008, 01:36:08 pm: Quote from: Chill on July 11, 2008, 09:00:06 am
Well to be honest I haven't seen anyone who've been thinking this guide is bad yet, except for Aragorn. Just search through the pages, and you'll see how it is. People ain't moaning more these days either, I'm pretty damn sure people did before too.

You can put your pretty sureness to some dark place... As before people were not moaning and THAT WAS what people liked on Argonath... Here come Hayden, Chill, others and start fucking up all Argonath fun "This is not roleplay as according to the latest shitty idea of other server which calls itself RPG there must be ((OOC)) and ((IC))... We have no fucking idea how it increases Roleplay, but we want also on Argonath this shit as it allows Argonath to be called the REAL SA:MP roleplay server"...

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The brains memory have always been memoring good memorys from the old times, non bad. I'm sure there was alot moaners back then, and It'll always be those.

You have to learn the psychology, as humans brain remembers exactly THE BAD THINGS more then good ones, which actually are forgotten at once as soon as bad thing comes... And as you and others are moaning "Argonath was a way better" means that problem is NOT in Argonath developers or its ROLEPLAY STYLE, but problem is in those MOANERS and "ROLEPLAY SCRIPT KIDDIES" who are bringing a shit from incubator-servers...

You are like communists... One idiot said "Do this it will be better" and all started repeating a shit, teaching own brains "its better, it will make our life better"...

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What have happened lately is that people know more about the rules and use them to their own sake. If anyone do one single mistake people moan about it and starts fights which is hour long. Meta Gaming, Power Gaming, Is both two very good "words" to keep in mind, whenever a roleplay situation.

Metagaming and powergaming is the best way to moan... Congrats you were looking for the best way to moan and you found it...
Funny to watch: using some "modern" words and think you are now super-pupper roleplayers...

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People uses those 2 "words" like they are rules, but they ain't. It's just two very good "think about"- imaginary rules. OOC and IC.. Is two tools I really stand behind, I've actually stopped a few things I want to start because as soon as I RP the way I like to I get banned. I find this unacceptable and it's sad really. Argonath... Ain't it the free world where you don't have much rules? RP how you want, do what you want?

If you get banned on Argonath means you do not Roleplay... And stop crying here about imaginary... Argonath is exactly server for Imaginary roleplay... Instead of it you, some little crowd of moaners, wanna make it the place of scripted only roleplay and every outgoing steps - disallow...

You were banned on Argonath - if not for flame and cheats then for deathmatch... There are no other reasons and Argonath admins are the best in the whole SA:MP community, wanna you it or not...

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OOC and IC might be destroying devs vision but you'll have to understand that we'll always grow and OOC and IC might just be the new revolution of argonath? I'm also pretty sure Hayden ain't doing this to destroy argonath. You don't do 1 meter long topic just to make devs pissed. I've said it, and I'm saying it again, he did this to share his experiences and I see nothing wrong in that.

Experience? Which one? Can you stop kissing Hayden's ass for a moment and fucking think about what exactly is talk about? OOC and IC - WHY the fuck you need this shit??? Thousands players were and still playing without this shit... What the fucking RPG revolution you bring here??? Who fucking died without this shitty OOC and IC? Have you fucking heard about Local chat which is exactly for roleplay??? Then go and read the commands of server...

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I'm sorry Aragorn, but what do you really hate with OOC and IC?

I do want OUR players grow really serious and without those childish running after "others"... You should understand also and not take every shit, packed as candy, as a real candy... I do not like that other servers have no idea what is actually Roleplay and are bringing new rules and "tools", making boards, scripted boards, and classification "real roleplay"-"noobs roleplayers"...
I do not like that those who run after stupid ideas do not look at the things with reality... And instead of running after idiots "yeah yeah Argonath are noobs-roleplayers, cos they use local chat instead of ((IC)) should actually think what the fuck is difference...

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- /l Face the wall and hands in the air!
- /l Aye aye calm down man!
- /me Searches Chill for drugs.
-/me Finds drugs.

What you can't do here is /me finds drugs, as you can't know that, if you do that then it's totally unfair to me, as I might not have drugs on me. This is what people call powergaming or metagaming or whatever, not sure.

You even not sure what you protect... In your case (dunno why you set /me command to the OOC and IC) I was talking about different /me usage... For those who think if they use /me - they are roleplayers... Such people will do bored your day fast enough:

- /me Searches Chill for drugs.
- /me thinks there must be some
- /me puts his hand in Chill's pocket
- /me did not find drugs
- /me checks Chill's pants pockets
... (can be endless)
-/me Finds drugs.

THIS IS what I was talking about... Dunno why only two people understood the point...

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- /l Face the wall and hands in the air!
- /l Aye aye calm down maaan!
- /me Searches Chill for drugs.
- /l (( Do you have drugs on you? ))
- /l (( Yup ))
- /me Finds drugs.

Did not get it? You cannot just ask him? And nothing strange from real life would be...
Ask americans - they have at custom "Do you intend to commit crimes, are you going to commit terrorist activities, do you have any drugs, weapons"...
So why use (()) to spam chat?...
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2008, 01:48:23 pm: There were already enough topics about it and we actually told our position...
So instead of new arguing - go read those topics...

I can repeat my position:

Do not like Argonath? Leave it, as Argonath was never the same as ALL SA:MP RPG servers...
And do not try even invent on our servers - we will NOT live by stupid laws which other servers owners bring as "roleplay standard" as we know very good what IS roleplay...
And much better then your OOC and IC creators...

Trust me - only your hearts and friendship can make roleplay better...

Topic locked...
Title: Re: [SA:MP] - Roleplaying Guide v2 -
Post by: Gandalf on July 11, 2008, 06:13:26 pm: To add to Chill's example we recently got a complaint from a player who 'was abused'.
The reason, a cop was near him, sent a PM if he had drugs and then found and suspected him for it.
ABUSE!!!! He was asking OOC so he should not suspect me :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

As you see, OOC and IC make things not more clear but less clear. It is for people who want to be able to hide their actions (oops I forgot OOC / It was IC not OOC) or who are too dumb to understand the difference. On servers where admins are too lazy to check out it is great, as they only have to act on flaming, swearing and whatever else if someone is stupid enough to use OOC chat for it...