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Title: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on September 23, 2017, 02:22:03 pm
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SUGGESTION:

The Federal Democrats Political Party are reaching out to the government to begin elections for the unoccupied positions in our government. We, at Federal Democrats, believe that electing these positions will allow us to create a more structured environment in our city.

Already, we have many working hard to make this possible, but we still require more for this.

The FDP are working on re-developing our governmental system with a hierarchy of positions, which are to be assigned.

The positions are as follows:

The Minister of National Security and Homeland Protection

The Minister of Citizenship and Migration

The Minister of Licensing and Traffic

The Minister of Financials

The Minister of Social Life and Communication

These elections will give us a more developed hierarchy of posts in our government and in doing so, will have a positive influence on our immigrants and citizens.

The FDP also request a representative of the government (Server HQ) to eMail (Forum PM) our President, Steve McQueen, to give us their approval. If we receive approval, we will open official election posts in which the government and the FDP will discuss applications and decisions will be made by our government, but FDP will also play a part in deciding the applicants, elaborating the Pros and Cons of each applicant and leaving the final decision to the intellectual people in our government.

We at Federal Democrats have noticed that the ARP has opened a Poll regarding this. However, their method of opening a poll is not as secure or structured as FDP's plan for the elections. ARP would require authorization for their initiative and none has been formally presented.

The way our elections system is better than ARP's is elaborated below:

FDP is reaching out to the government and awaiting authorization before taking initiative.

FDP is planning on playing a part in the elections, as well as opening official election posts with the government.

FDP would play a part but leave the final decisions to the intellectual people in the government.

We would also like ARP's Chairman @JackDockz to eMail (Forum PM) us in regards to joining us in this election system and working together to make this a revolution, rather than fight over it, especially as the city's welfare is our priority, and not the credit.

We thank the citizens, the government and ARP Command for reading this.

Again, we request a government representative to contact us. @Senate @Witchking @James Conway

On a final note, the citizens matter, and so if we do go ahead with this, all citizens can eMail (PM) our President their opinions and they'll be considered as seriously as anything else!

Signed by,

Steve McQueen
FDP President
FDP Public Relations Spokesman

              Dread Angiulo
FDP Party Chair
FDP Public Relations Spokesman

             
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on October 29, 2017, 08:16:54 am
Bumping this topic.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Norrage on November 05, 2017, 11:36:18 am
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Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Norrage on February 18, 2018, 12:34:29 pm
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Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on February 24, 2018, 03:57:55 am
All citizens opinions wanted!

Please post!
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on March 01, 2018, 07:36:25 am
Topic updated.

Requesting the citizens of LC, the law enforcement agencies of LC and the ARP to comment.

ARP and FDP have worked behind the scenes and are planning on working together in this. It's not 100% final, and we are awaiting confirmation from @JackDockz

All citizens can comment here!
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: JackDockz on March 01, 2018, 07:55:15 am
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To the Federal Democratic Party,

The Argonath Revolutionary Party will make their decision parallel to the publics. If we get enough supporting votes on our latest Poll, we would be glad to help the FDP in their mission. But if the public decides that now is not the time, then the Argonath Revolutionary Party will not continue on this mission.
We would be announcing our decision once the poll closes on 8 March 2018.

Thanking You,


JackDockz
President

Ajax Walker
Vice-President


"We See Law"

Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: JackDockz on March 12, 2018, 04:59:57 pm
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To The Federal Democratic Party,

The Argonath Revolutionary Party's Polls have ended and the results show a more positive feedback than the negative ones.
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As a result, The Argonath Revolutionary Party will be Helping The Federal Democratic Party with hosting the Elections but ARP itself will not contest in the elections.

We would like the FDP to send Us their plans and further details on PM. Also, we would invite the FDP to work on the Argonath Revolutionary Party Forums (http://arp.smfnew2.com/) for this. We would arrange a special board with all permission's you may need.

ARP will support FDP in whatever we see is reasonable to support. We still will oppose bad decisions and other stuff like this as an opposing political party.
 


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President

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Vice-President


"We See Law"

Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on March 13, 2018, 10:06:02 pm
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To The Federal Democratic Party,

The Argonath Revolutionary Party's Polls have ended and the results show a more positive feedback than the negative ones.
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As a result, The Argonath Revolutionary Party will be Helping The Federal Democratic Party with hosting the Elections but ARP itself will not contest in the elections.

We would like the FDP to send Us their plans and further details on PM. Also, we would invite the FDP to work on the Argonath Revolutionary Party Forums (http://arp.smfnew2.com/) for this. We would arrange a special board with all permission's you may need.

ARP will support FDP in whatever we see is reasonable to support. We still will oppose bad decisions and other stuff like this as an opposing political party.
 


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President

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Vice-President


"We See Law"

In regards to this, we are happy to give you objection rights and opposition rights, as we would with any civilian!

As for not participating, that's fine, but your opinions and participation may be wanted. However, your wishes are respected and granted.

Regards
S. McQueen
FDP High Command
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on April 16, 2018, 12:22:06 pm
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UPDATE:

The Federal Democrats Political Party are awaiting the citizen's opinions! Post your opinion here today!

Signed by,

Steve McQueen
FDP President
FDP Public Relations Spokesman

              Dread Angiulo
FDP Party Chair
FDP Public Relations Spokesman

             
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: superh2o on April 16, 2018, 02:35:37 pm
Why should this idea be implemented?

What are duty's / powers/ responsibility of the ministers?

Who keeps them in check?

Do they get special perks?

How are they elected?

What if government finds no candidate suitable for the role they applied?

How can transparency be assured ?

How can cheating be stopped?
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on June 16, 2018, 11:59:33 am
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REPONSE TO ENQUIRY:

Mr. Jugovic,

The first note is that anything here is subject to change, especially as it's pending reviewal by the government.

Moving on,

We believe that this idea should be implemented as it allows responsible security and protection, responsible managing of city finances, responsible citizenship and immigration as well as making Liberty City's citizens more social with each other, promoting social activity and communication to bring the diverse community of Liberty, together.

The City's Governor, Tandtrollet, would keep all Ministers in check.

All Ministers' perks are:
Recognition as official political figures of our Government.
A fortnightly payment decided by the Governor, factors being the amount of work and amount to be given.
Respect, honor, and integrity.

The elections would take place in official election posts (special board and any necessary sub-boards) which would be held by the FDP and the government.

If the government finds no suitable candidate, they'd manage without them, as they're doing now.

All details will be shown, except government classified details, and anything deemed confidential.

Cheating can be stopped with criteria for Ministership, which applies to each Minister.

Anyone with a severe criminal record, criminal suspicions or criminal affiliations do not fulfill the criteria for Ministership.
Any criminal prosecutions from a criminal past will be taken into account.

The duties, powers, and responsibilities of the Minister of National Security and Homeland protection would be as follows:

Duties

Powers:
We will elaborate what powers this Minister would have.


Responsibilities:

Moving onto the Minister of Citizenship and Migration.

The Minister's duties, responsibilities, and powers are listed below:

Duties:

Powers:

Responsibilities:

The Minister of Traffic and Licensing:

Duties:

Powers:

Responsibilities:

The Minister of Financials:

Duties:

Powers:

The Minister of Social Life and Communication:

This Minister would be a mediator between groups, handling advertisements, handling TV/radio/newspapers, handling cities public relations, government communication, and being the main Spokesman of the city.

We apologise for the very late response, there's just been a lot on our plates, including outside the FDP.

Sincerely,

Steve McQueen
FDP President
FDP Public Relations Spokesman

              Ethan Hunt
FDP Secretary
             
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Norrage on June 25, 2018, 01:00:10 pm
The Minister of Social Life and Communication isn't a role really needed though, so that's not necessary.

Why all minister positions are needed and the one the most roleplayish one isn't?
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on June 25, 2018, 01:39:33 pm
There wasn't a use seen, but I've thought of social groups, and the Minister could probably be in charge of overseeing social groups, psychology departments and other such stuff, if anyone has the will to assist with the setup of such a system.

Regards.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Norrage on June 25, 2018, 02:02:01 pm
There wasn't a use seen, but I've thought of social groups, and the Minister could probably be in charge of overseeing social groups, psychology departments and other such stuff, if anyone has the will to assist with the setup of such a system.

Regards.

Being a mediator between groups, handling advertisements, handling tv/radio/newspapers, handling cities public relations, government communication, etc etc.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on June 25, 2018, 03:13:14 pm
Wow.

We appreciate your contribution, if you ever wish for an opportunity in FDP, hit me up!

Will edit when I have time.

Regards
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: JackDockz on June 25, 2018, 03:53:13 pm
Your definition of Minister of National Security and Homeland protection is just another name for already existing ARPD Commissioner.
Liberty city already has Commissioner Senate.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on June 26, 2018, 12:22:44 am
You failed to understand, Mr. Dockz. This Minister would be responsible for the city, it's not ARPD Commissioner. It's like an LCPD/FBI Supervisor.

Fun fact, there was something similar in 2014. Back then, Captain Tai Izumi, of the LCPD was an ARPD Supervisor. His duties seem very similar to those we outlined, as well as only applying in Liberty City. This Minister would be responsible for safety, and the smooth running of LCPD/FBI.

Also, updated.

Regards
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Norrage on June 26, 2018, 01:11:04 pm
You failed to understand, Mr. Dockz. This Minister would be responsible for the city, it's not ARPD Commissioner. It's like an LCPD/FBI Supervisor.

Fun fact, there was something similar in 2014. Back then, Captain Tai Izumi, of the LCPD was an ARPD Supervisor. His duties seem very similar to those we outlined, as well as only applying in Liberty City. This Minister would be responsible for safety, and the smooth running of LCPD/FBI.

Also, updated.

Regards

Where is your source stating that he was an ARPD Supervisor, and not just keeping an eye on the LCPD from an Server Leader point of view?
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: JackDockz on June 26, 2018, 01:27:31 pm
You failed to understand, Mr. Dockz. This Minister would be responsible for the city, it's not ARPD Commissioner. It's like an LCPD/FBI Supervisor.

Fun fact, there was something similar in 2014. Back then, Captain Tai Izumi, of the LCPD was an ARPD Supervisor. His duties seem very similar to those we outlined, as well as only applying in Liberty City. This Minister would be responsible for safety, and the smooth running of LCPD/FBI.

Also, updated.

Regards

So do you imply that the Liberty City ARPD Commissioner is incapable of looking over FBI and LCPD while he is FBI Commander and Division Leader at the same time?
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on June 26, 2018, 02:38:16 pm
You failed to understand, Mr. Dockz. This Minister would be responsible for the city, it's not ARPD Commissioner. It's like an LCPD/FBI Supervisor.

Fun fact, there was something similar in 2014. Back then, Captain Tai Izumi, of the LCPD was an ARPD Supervisor. His duties seem very similar to those we outlined, as well as only applying in Liberty City. This Minister would be responsible for safety, and the smooth running of LCPD/FBI.

Also, updated.

Regards

Where is your source stating that he was an ARPD Supervisor, and not just keeping an eye on the LCPD from an Server Leader point of view?
He has signed promotions as an ARPD Supervisor in IVMP. Yes, he kept an eye on LCPD from a Division Leader point of view, but did that AS an ARPD Supervisor.

You failed to understand, Mr. Dockz. This Minister would be responsible for the city, it's not ARPD Commissioner. It's like an LCPD/FBI Supervisor.

Fun fact, there was something similar in 2014. Back then, Captain Tai Izumi, of the LCPD was an ARPD Supervisor. His duties seem very similar to those we outlined, as well as only applying in Liberty City. This Minister would be responsible for safety, and the smooth running of LCPD/FBI.

Also, updated.

Regards

So do you imply that the Liberty City ARPD Commissioner is incapable of looking over FBI and LCPD while he is FBI Commander and Division Leader at the same time?
I'm sorry, what? Where did you pull that out of?

It has nothing to do with them being incapable, just having this Minister would be good for all agencies having a supervisor. Especially when they're going through a crisis.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Norrage on June 26, 2018, 03:33:16 pm
He has signed promotions as an ARPD Supervisor in IVMP. Yes, he kept an eye on LCPD from a Division Leader point of view, but did that AS an ARPD Supervisor.

Could you give me a link to him promoting as an ARPD supervisor in IVMP? I do remember Tai being a Captain in the Department and keeping an eye on the department, but not as a general ARPD supervisor and not as someone who kept an eye on the FBI.

Nevertheless, this is irrelevant for the idea. I do not think an extra position is required for law enforcement, and that ARPD commissioners can fulfill this task with ease. Having another position that should be allowed to see all confidential information would be a security breach in my opinion. The confidential information circle shouldn't be expanded without the need.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: DeeJay on June 26, 2018, 04:19:11 pm
Yes it would be horrible if someone else could perform this task alot better. Sacrilege..
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: JackDockz on June 26, 2018, 05:10:47 pm
As stated by Commissioner Banks during the announcement of ARPD Commissioners, the post was made to supervise the Police Departments of all the different cities (servers) and that's why each city has one representative.
Vcmp didn't get one due to Kessu being there at that moment.
Plus Senate is pretty active and it actually is better than having someone active rather than someone inactive.
In addition, ministers are meant to be at office and its not logical for them to help LEOs in nabbing small time criminals.
In addition, it's highly unlikely that LCPD would take any game changing decisions without consulting with the ARPD Commissiones first.

You should focus on roles which have higher role playable standard and less ingame power. Roleplay is the major requirement here not power.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kessu on June 26, 2018, 05:33:01 pm
Vcmp didn't get one due to Kessu being there at that moment.
Wrong.

VC:MP didn't get one because I didn't take the job due to my criminal orientation and I said we really don't need one since Brian has been quite involved with VC:MP and Senate is doing good with also having some familiarity with VC:MP, therefore there does not need to be an ARPD Commissioner from VC:MP.
Title: Re: FDP Suggestion - Assignment of Government Positions
Post by: Kowalski. on June 27, 2018, 12:38:41 am
He has signed promotions as an ARPD Supervisor in IVMP. Yes, he kept an eye on LCPD from a Division Leader point of view, but did that AS an ARPD Supervisor.

Could you give me a link to him promoting as an ARPD supervisor in IVMP? I do remember Tai being a Captain in the Department and keeping an eye on the department, but not as a general ARPD supervisor and not as someone who kept an eye on the FBI.

Nevertheless, this is irrelevant for the idea. I do not think an extra position is required for law enforcement, and that ARPD commissioners can fulfill this task with ease. Having another position that should be allowed to see all confidential information would be a security breach in my opinion. The confidential information circle shouldn't be expanded without the need.

I understand where you're coming from, and no, Captain Tai Izumi may not have kept an eye on FBI but he was an ARPD Supervisor.

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Liberty City Police Department
02/06/2014

Promotions


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Kerbe
Promoted to LCPD Deputy Chief


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Mihail
Promoted to LCPD Captain

Tai Izumi
Promoted to LCPD Captain


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James Conway
Promoted to LCPD Senior Officer


Signed,
ARPD Supervisor
Captain Tai Izumi
Captain Petr Latch

One of the similarities between the ARPD Supervisor rank and this Minister rank is that they only apply in Liberty City.

However, it's true we've got both ARPD Commissioners, so rather than the duties outlined ATM, he'll still have restricted clearance to classified files, but will be responsible for high risk security situations only.

Such as an act of treason, info may be passed onto this Minister and he can help FBI/LCPD with whatever happens.

ministers are meant to be at office and its not logical for them to help LEOs in nabbing small time criminals.
Your feedback is appreciated, it's a learning experience for us all. Though, you are incorrect here.

This wasn't the purpose of the Minister and I've elaborated a plan for this Minister above that'd work out better.

Will update soon.

All feedback is appreciated and taken to heart.

Sincerely,
Steve McQueen and Ethan Hunt
FDP Command.
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