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GTA:VC => VC:MP General => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => VC:MP Ideas => Topic started by: Huntsman on September 30, 2017, 11:40:00 am
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Hello there,
This has been discussed several times between me, Sevrin and the server leader, but they were very strict about not providing the VCPD Command with the ability to copban officers as "it is an administrative punishment and will stay that way", despite it being granted to other ARPD departments, somehow.
The reason why I am posting this is because I think that civilian/criminal side will agree that VCPD needs to be given a way to deal with misbehaving ARPD officers, seeing how contacting administration is not always effective and takes prolonged response, which usually extends the time period during which the players expierience is ruined.
VCPD needs to have a way to deal with rule-breaking freecops. It does not neccessarily have to be a cop-ban command. Me and Sevrin have been suggesting the idea that /suspend command is implemented, where the officer is able to get on duty, but does not have Access to weapons and vehicles.
Sure, we do have /discharge, but it usually turns us into a laughing stock rather than being any real punishment. We discharge the officer, suspect him to prevent him from just getting on duty again, he either dies or suicides and then gets on duty again and we end up spamming the /discharge command with the arpd officer in question taunting us.
Please discuss - would you support VCPD getting more effective measures of dealing with misbehaving ARPD Officers?
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Supported. I have seen this in person and this would be effective for the VCPD.
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ARPD officers are not under VCPD command, unlike in other servers.
VCPD officers will never get copban, unlike in other servers.
Our admins are active enough to handle 90% of the rulebreaks in the server and those random situations when none of us is capable of coming in-game after you call us is just something that can't be helped.
/discharge, /sus and insta-killing the suspect would work in the case of deathmatching and they would then need to run all the way back to a PD just for the previous situation to repeat itself.
Also do remember that you have /uncrime, so you can uncrime civilians who defended themselves / others from a DMing cop while an admin was not online (which, again, is a rather rare situation when none of us are available over discord).
Remember; best way to make a DMer leave is to show him he has no skills.
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Well said Kessu. This will not be implemented.
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ARPD officers are not under VCPD command, unlike in other servers.
VCPD officers will never get copban, unlike in other servers.
Sorry for the intrusion in the VCMP section, but IVMP does not have copban for officers either and LCPD officers are also not responsible for freecops/ARPD officers. So I guess only SAMP has it?
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Sorry for the intrusion in the VCMP section, but IVMP does not have copban for officers either and LCPD officers are also not responsible for freecops/ARPD officers. So I guess only SAMP has it?
SAMP Copban as fuck :D.Doesnt matter ARPD Officer or SAPD lol
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If a freecop committed a law break, why involve admins if it was done rply :uhm:
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Sorry for the intrusion in the VCMP section, but IVMP does not have copban for officers either and LCPD officers are also not responsible for freecops/ARPD officers. So I guess only SAMP has it?
I stand corrected, thanks :D
If a freecop committed a law break, why involve admins if it was done rply :uhm:
This feature isn't asked for doing crimes, but outright deathmatching with given duty weapons which is an administrative issue.
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This feature isn't asked for doing crimes, but outright deathmatching with given duty weapons which is an administrative issue.
Dmers should be punished by administrators, they should not get cop banned for dming. /copban is used for rp i suppose. Why not give the /copban for VCPD high ranked members? only for Role play reason they can copban :) same as samp.
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Dmers should be punished by administrators, they should not get cop banned for dming. /copban is used for rp i suppose. Why not give the /copban for VCPD high ranked members? only for Role play reason they can copban :) same as samp.
You think they are taking badges while copbanning? No. Sometimes they are sometimes they are copbanning on the field without RP interaction.
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Copban is an administrative punishment, not a roleplay one. Atleast in our server.
It is given to players who refuse to play within the rules as a cop, but that does not mean that the cops will get copbanned instead of tempbanned if a civilian were to receive a tempban.
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A copban is done to temporarily suspend a LEO from duty for a period of time as for a punishment to him, example is corruption, why would it be handled by admins?
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You think they are taking badges while copbanning? No. Sometimes they are sometimes they are copbanning on the field without RP interaction.
That's a lie. SAPD do not copban officers without a rp reason, unless that officer abuses his powers. :)
A copban is done to temporarily suspend a LEO from duty for a period of time as for a punishment to him, example is corruption, why would it be handled by admins?
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Well,
VCPD does have /discharge, which kicks the Officer out of cop duty on the spot, but yet, he's allowed to just go to the police station and get back in. What we do to prevent it is /discharge the cop and suspect him for corruption to prevent him going on duty. Though, not having /copban is a huge problem not much as for dealing with rulebreaking cops, but as it strips VCPD away of the opportunity to issue roleplayed suspensions for VCPD members.
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ARPD officers are not under VCPD command, unlike in other servers.
If the ranked officers have no power over arpd officers/freecops, then a copban for them isn't necessary? Because a ranked officer can be kicked out the department for corruption, in other words demotion/fired. That would be an example of being kicked in a roleplay manner for corruption. In IVMP a copban is publicly announced in big red letters just as an ajail, tempban and a warning. That sounds more like a administrative punishment, because a cop is abusing his duty rights to break the server rules. Corruption should be dealt with in a roleplay manner then, like /su'ing them (if ranked officers can suspect freecops) or sueing them in court or kicking a ranked officer out of the department.
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In IVMP a copban is publicly announced in big red letters just as an ajail, tempban and a warning.
No, only the copbanned person and admins can see the chat. :)
That sounds more like a administrative punishment, because a cop is abusing his duty rights to break the server rules. Corruption should be dealt with in a roleplay manner then, like /su'ing them (if ranked officers can suspect freecops) or sueing them in court or kicking a ranked officer out of the department.
Those freecops who are abusing duty rights must not be cop banned, but get administration punishment instead. If it was done that way, i can join duty, i get duty rights abuse it always and get cop banned again and again. Again, if the cop is breaking SERVER rules, he should not be issued a cop ban, (i even saw that admins cop ban for car-ramming :/) a normal administration punishments should be issued C:
LCPD senior + was able to copban back then. But it got removed :(
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No, only the copbanned person and admins can see the chat. :)
Those freecops who are abusing duty rights must not be cop banned, but get administration punishment instead. If it was done that way, i can join duty, i get duty rights abuse it always and get cop banned again and again. Again, if the cop is breaking SERVER rules, he should not be issued a cop ban, (i even saw that admins cop ban for car-ramming :/) a normal administration punishments should be issued C:
LCPD senior + was able to copban back then. But it got removed :(
And now the reason why they need copban then. Ranked cops don't have authority over freecops, LCPD/VCPD HQ can just demote a ranked officer for things like corruption?
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So since people who are talking here are the ones who do not know how the system works in VC:MP, I'll elaborate from the beginning to the end, trying to be as accurate as I can be without my morning coffee.
ARPD Officers and VCPD Officers have one distinction; ARPD officers cannot be commanded around by high VCPD ranked officers, such as the chief. This may sound idiotic, but we will not force VCPD on those individuals who do not want to be a part of it, but do want to play the occasional cop. Also goodluck getting that new player who barely speaks english to listen to a command anyway :D
Now, if the ARPD Officer commits acts of corruption, both VCPD and FBI can discharge, suspect, jail, sue what have you. Corruption would be taking bribes for example, not killing other cops. If a VCPD Officer is caught breaking the law, they cannot be sued unless they are dishonorably discharged (source (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89764.msg1437132#msg1437132))
Now for the copban part.
Copban is issued on cops as an additive punishment on top of whatever they would have gotten anyway. Only exception to this is the "heliblade-a-smuggler" scenario which will always result in a copban. Admins can issue copbans on people along with a verbal warning, administrative warning, a kick or even a (temp)ban. Not a single cop in the server is safe from a copban, if they break the rules while on duty, they will receive the same punishment as the person not on duty and get a copban on top in some scenarios.
Copban appears only to the admin and the player being copbanned because who got copbanned is irrelevant to other players. They do not need this information for anything but to bash on the copbanned target, which we do not want to see, regardless if they broke the rules or not.
Now why does VCPD not have copban? They were scripted to have /discharge to handle roleplay crimes and they are allowed to use it to minimize rulebreaks from cops only if there is no admin online. Our administration team is more than active enough to handle basically everything, and the email "[email protected]" is checked twice a day by yours truly. Not a single report is left un-handled for more than 48 hours.
Hopefully this'll paint a clearer picture for you guys.
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Thanks for explaining and sorry for the intrusion :D